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2018-01-12 04:33:12 AM  
If Die Grüne weren't so irrationally obsessed with opposing nuclear power, Germany could be a hell of a lot grüner.
 
2018-01-12 04:35:56 AM  
Coal aside, surely it was made up of architectural elements that would have value in the restoration of other buildings or construction of new buildings in the old style.
 
2018-01-12 04:39:46 AM  

orbister: If Die Grüne weren't so irrationally obsessed with opposing nuclear power, Germany could be a hell of a lot grüner.


Came to say exactly this.
 
2018-01-12 04:42:38 AM  
Oh my. 19th century. Such historic, much old.

/It's not like we don't have thousands more (and older)
 
2018-01-12 04:43:37 AM  
Well, its a church, so fark it, destroy the bloody thing
 
2018-01-12 04:46:29 AM  
You know who else liked destroying German houses of worship?
 
2018-01-12 04:51:20 AM  
Weird dichotomy for me. On one hand the less churches in the world the better. But any expansion of coal mining stinks.
I'm gonna call this a wash.
 
2018-01-12 04:59:08 AM  
It's Europe. My grandma's house is 350 years old. It's not particularly old for the part of town it sits in.

/also, we must feed the bagger 288

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEvf​D​4C6ow
 
2018-01-12 05:11:03 AM  
This is a fairly one sided slam article devoid of context.

/welcome to green peace putting out press releases
 
2018-01-12 05:11:35 AM  

Warthog: You know who else liked destroying German houses of worship?


Bomber Harris?
 
2018-01-12 05:15:42 AM  
19th Century is fairly recent, in Europe.
 
2018-01-12 05:30:51 AM  

padraig: 19th Century is fairly recent, in Europe.


But if you consider how much has been renewed, holding onto bits and pieces might have been a good idea.
 
2018-01-12 05:36:22 AM  
In (what was then) Czechoslovakia, when they wanted to mine under a church, they just lifted it out of the ground and moved it half a mile. https://www.atlasobscura.com/pl​aces/mo​ved-church-of-most-kostel-nanebevzeti-​panny-marie-church-of-the-assumption-o​f-the-virgin-mary
 
2018-01-12 05:39:07 AM  

Warthog: You know who else liked destroying German houses of worship?


Patton?
 
2018-01-12 05:40:48 AM  

Warthog: You know who else liked destroying German houses of worship?


Zhukov ?
 
2018-01-12 05:53:14 AM  
 
2018-01-12 06:31:40 AM  
Here in the province of Ontario in Canada, over 60% of our electricity is nuclear. Plus we make a lot of tritium, which decays fairly quickly to Helium3, which is extremely useful for medical purposes (mainly MRI imaging of lungs).
 
2018-01-12 07:19:12 AM  

Warthog: You know who else liked destroying German houses of worship?


The RAF?
 
2018-01-12 07:35:11 AM  
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where's your god now?
 
2018-01-12 07:58:36 AM  
This article will make American head's explode.

First, more environmentally damaging fossil fuel production will make them happy.

Demolishing a church?  An outrage for evangelical christians, but since it was a Catholic church they can live with it.

Demolishing an old building?  The historical preservation crowd will have to head to their safe space.
 
2018-01-12 07:59:31 AM  

BafflerMeal: This is a fairly one sided slam article devoid of context.

/welcome to green peace putting out press releases


The real scandals here are:
Given the unionized labor in Germany, it probably would have been much cheaper to buy Chinese or American coal.
Two, that Germany's green revolution has largely failed.  Solar and wind are simply not enough.  Meeker should be trying to convert the coal plants to natural gas.  Yeah, I know Putin basically controls this in the EU.
 
2018-01-12 08:06:25 AM  
the church has been unused for nearly 5 years.  there are vacant churches in my community that have been vacant for decades... and if someone wants to tear them down, people lose their minds because they are important or some shiat.  they are vacant purpose built buildings just like a McDonalds.  get over it.
 
2018-01-12 08:07:59 AM  
It's not even demolishing a beautiful building in the name of progress.  It's demolishing a beautiful building to go back in time.  I give Germans more credit than that.
 
2018-01-12 08:08:06 AM  
I don't understand peoples' emotional attachment to piles of stone. If a building no longer has a purpose then tear it down and put the land to use.
 
2018-01-12 08:08:54 AM  

orbister: If Die Grüne weren't so irrationally obsessed with opposing nuclear power, Germany could be a hell of a lot grüner.


This is the core problem in Germany and most of European countries.
Still the Greens drink their soya lattes while browsing the oppressing internet with their iPhones...
 
2018-01-12 08:09:44 AM  

spiritplumber: It's Europe. My grandma's house is 350 years old. It's not particularly old for the part of town it sits in.

/also, we must feed the bagger 288

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEvfD​4C6ow


That was strangely hypnotic. Thank you?
 
2018-01-12 08:15:01 AM  
"Even Immerath's cemetery wasn't immune to the move ― its centuries-old bodies were dug up and relocated with the village. "

No danger of poltergeists then.

/What's the German word for poltergeist?
 
2018-01-12 08:16:08 AM  

Warthog: You know who else liked destroying German houses of worship?


Stalin?
 
2018-01-12 08:17:24 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: "Even Immerath's cemetery wasn't immune to the move ― its centuries-old bodies were dug up and relocated with the village. "

No danger of poltergeists then.

/What's the German word for poltergeist?


Hah, it's a trick question.They don't even have one.
 
2018-01-12 08:32:54 AM  
Environmentalists should put up confederate statues at likely mining spots. Easy to mow over a church, but Billy Bob's heroes?
 
2018-01-12 08:35:53 AM  
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2018-01-12 08:48:57 AM  
MGGA! Oh wait, remember what happened last time?
 
2018-01-12 09:00:02 AM  
I once lived next to a Mosque in China that dated back to the 1200s and just down the road a Buddhist temple who's man made cave system dated back over 2500 years.

So I think about the number of buildings and streets etc that have been in those places, and how many of them are important.

In 200 years will the apartment where the Japanese occupation era Governor lived be of importance to the locals? (Currently a toy store)

Progress happens.

/ But for a farking coal operation
// Shouldn't we be building over used up coal sites
///North Americans live in very very young and cheaply built houses, especially recent builds in recent subdivisions (1970s+)
 
2018-01-12 09:45:47 AM  

AuralArgument: I once lived next to a Mosque in China that dated back to the 1200s and just down the road a Buddhist temple who's man made cave system dated back over 2500 years.

So I think about the number of buildings and streets etc that have been in those places, and how many of them are important.

In 200 years will the apartment where the Japanese occupation era Governor lived be of importance to the locals? (Currently a toy store)

Progress happens.

/ But for a farking coal operation
// Shouldn't we be building over used up coal sites
///North Americans live in very very young and cheaply built houses, especially recent builds in recent subdivisions (1970s+)


At least the newer ones are unleaded.
 
2018-01-12 10:26:51 AM  
Europe is full of churches like that and they are masterpieces.
 
2018-01-12 10:51:23 AM  

wildcardjack: Coal aside, surely it was made up of architectural elements that would have value in the restoration of other buildings or construction of new buildings in the old style.


Yeah, ghost towns are full of value to sink money into
 
2018-01-12 11:21:16 AM  
Brown coal is dirty crap. The US should have negotiated a good deal for our better quality coal. But that would be smart.
 
2018-01-12 11:23:56 AM  
OK so let's sum up. They moved the whole damn town, lock, stock, and barrel, to a new location so they could strip mine where the old town was. Nothing of consequence has happened in the original location in three years or longer.

Shame that a building that nice had to go, but the new church is already up and operating in the new location.

In my neck of the woods, a little Gothic white brick church built in 1884 got pulled down a couple years ago because the whole parish up and moved to a new location six miles down the road amidst all the subdivisions where everyone lives now. The old church stood in the way of airport expansion, and nobody really lives around there anymore. A hotel stands on the site now. Sad, but it happens sometimes.
 
2018-01-12 11:34:47 AM  

orbister: If Die Grüne weren't so irrationally obsessed with opposing nuclear power, Germany could be a hell of a lot grüner.


Oh, and Germany would be far less dependent on Russian Gas that is currently being delivered like IV Heroin vía pipelines into the veins of Europe...
 
2018-01-12 12:33:12 PM  
That's farked up. I thought Germany was a big solar/wind pioneer.
 
2018-01-12 02:08:01 PM  

Flashlight: I don't understand peoples' emotional attachment to piles of stone. If a building no longer has a purpose then tear it down and put the land to use.


Have you ever been to a museum or historic site?  If so, there is your answer.  Yes it's just a bunch of stone & timber but it gives people a sense of history,  culture,  & in many cases pride.

This church was most likely built by the community & stood for something to them,  to just tear it down for some dirty coal is beyond pointless.   Don't care if it was a church or other historic building really,  it's something worth saving.  The majority of the time we don't need a new worthless strip mall or McDonald's,  which is what they get replaced with.   In this case it's even worse,  it's just shortsighted & meaningless.

Up next let's bulldoze Buchenwald & Dachau to put in Starbucks & Chuck E Cheeses, since there seem to be a bunch of sad tourists there for some reason.
 
2018-01-12 02:21:30 PM  
Brown coal sucks. It is very low grade, just a little bit above peat. It has a lot of sulphur, other impurities, and water and the carbon is not very pure so it does not burn cleanly. It usually has a lot of stones ("Clunkers") in it to increase the weight and profits.

Anthracite is the best quality of coal--the really hard, black, shiney stuff that is nearly pure carbon.

It takes about 98 tonnes of plant life to make a tonne of anthracite according to the scientist who did the math. Coal is just sequestered carbon, which pollutes the air with CO2 when you dig it up and burn it. It represents thousands or millions of years of carbon.

Who burns brown coal nowadays? Mostly ships at sea. They are allowed to burn "bunker" coal once they are far out to sea away from the coasts. I expect this brown coal will be exported to China or else Eastern Europe where they don't care so much about pollution, health and global warming.

I doubt if the Germans would burn coal on their own land. They probably send it to Poland or something.
 
2018-01-12 02:29:33 PM  
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2018-01-12 02:31:28 PM  

whidbey: That's farked up. I thought Germany was a big solar/wind pioneer.


The Germans and the French are big on fuel economy. Very frugal by nature, and they learned many hard lessons from two world wars. Germans have played a major role in innovative fuel use, ranging from passif haus (low-energy use housing) to gasification of coal (they needed massive amounts of industrial fuel for the Wars, and were cut off from the British and French controlled Middle East, so they had to learn to make automobile fuel from coal among other tricks. During the Wars, many cars were fuelled by natural gas which was stored in enormous plastic bags. Google it.

But German is a very rich country and since it has nixed the use of fission reactors, it has not got enough fuel or wind and solar power.

Proponents of nuclear power gloss over the dangers and long-term costs. In reality, nobody has solved these problems. The amount of waste produced is significantly higher than the mere spent fuel produced because clothing and concrete, wood, earth and everything used in nuclear reactors becomes contaminated and can not be just dumped. Nucelar plant sites are massive stockpiles of spent fuel and other contaminated waste and we are going to have to keep this stuff out of the wrong hands for up to 450,000 years given the half-life of uranium 238 and some other by-products.

France has gone nuclear in a big way, Germany has gone in another direction. They make a perfect partnership because the French can provide nuclear power to the Germans and the Germans can provide green power to the French (and even the British on a good day).

The sad thing about green power is that most sources of green power are not reliable through the daily cycle or the year. You need to use several in combination and to find ways to store the energy until it is needed.

The Sun does not shine at night. The wind does not always blow. It takes a massive grid (like the US-Canada-Mexico grids) to even out the various sources of power and provide their electricity when it is wanted, not when it is made.

Somewhere Donald Trump is probably asking anybody who will listen, "Who knew that energy production and distribution could be so hard?"

I knew! You probably knew this too!
 
2018-01-12 03:02:18 PM  
When one outdated, bullshiat concept comes up against another, the oudated, bullshiat concept with the most money in it's pocket wins.

When fossil fuels and the church are engaged in a fight, hope it's a fight to the death.
 
2018-01-12 04:14:43 PM  
I'm so shocked. We do it *so* much better in the US. Y'know, where them city slickers bought the "mineral rights", and in small print, the right to follow a seam.  There were news stories in the sixties about a woman in Appalachia, who'd just buried a baby in the family graveyard a few months before, seeing the coffin go flying through the air as the coal company "followed the seam".

No, I did not make this up.
 
2018-01-12 05:11:14 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Here in the province of Ontario in Canada, over 60% of our electricity is nuclear. Plus we make a lot of tritium, which decays fairly quickly to Helium3, which is extremely useful for medical purposes (mainly MRI imaging of lungs).


And we closed down all our coal-burning plants a couple of years ago.
 
2018-01-12 07:51:34 PM  
A church.  Nothing of value was lost.
 
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