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2018-01-03 03:44:15 PM  

fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.


If your not being ignored means Trump in office, then fark your feelings.
 
2018-01-03 03:44:29 PM  

egomann: I love Love LOVE that Ann Coulter, of all people, has to remind him that he can't just appoint his kids Chief of Staff.


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2018-01-03 03:45:21 PM  

Big Floppy Donkey Dick Nixon: I can't find it, but there is a picture from election night, right after the results are all in, that shows him looking absolutely mortified he's won. Everyone around him looks elated, but he is just sitting there with an "oh fark" look on his face


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2018-01-03 03:46:19 PM  

Yellow Beard: Mechanicum: Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

Counties don't vote, people do

I am aware of that but 85% of the counties in this countries were won by the orange twidiot. I guess we should just say to 85% of the country stay home, don't vote because a handful of cities got this? No thanks.


This is beyond stupid.  Damned few states are so wholly red or blue that a popular majority would be formed from them.  A candidate would have to win every individual vote in the nine most popular states to win a majority of the popular vote, assuming that every individual vote in the 41 less populated states voted for the other candidate.  Once minor parties are thrown into the mix it would take more like the 12 most populated states to win. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_S​t​ates_presidential_election,_2016#/medi​a/File:2016_Presidential_Election_by_V​ote_Distribution_Among_States.svg
 
2018-01-03 03:49:09 PM  

jst3p: Yellow Beard: Mechanicum: Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

Counties don't vote, people do

I am aware of that but 85% of the counties in this countries were won by the orange twidiot. I guess we should just say to 85% of the country stay home, don't vote because a handful of cities got this? No thanks.

85% of "counties" is not in any way equivocal to 85% of the people. The government represents the people. Why are you having such a hard time comprehending this?


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2018-01-03 03:50:14 PM  

stir22: DarkVader: The Third Man: The only problem with this theory is the obvious one:  if he didn't want to be President then, why does he want to be President now?  It's not like the job is getting any easier or less stressful.  And he'd make a ton of money off of rubes if he resigned and blamed "the deep state" or "Killary" or some other nonsense for making his job impossible.

Bottom line is, as President Trump is hated by the people he wants to impress, and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.  As former President, he can make money off those poor, uneducated folks--and really, making money off of the easily-scammed is the only thing he's ever shown a real passion for doing--and the people he wants to impress will find someone else to hate.  But he's showing no interest in becoming a former President.  So maybe he does want to be the leader after all.

It's not that he wants to be president now, it's just the only way he can stay out of prison for a little while longer.

As soon as he's out of that office, NY is going to unseal their indictment, and I'm betting that, given his properties in multiple countries and available transportation assets (including private planes that are capable of reaching Russia or other countries that won't extradite), there's pretty much no chance he's going to get bail.

If he leaves office alive (which is a pretty big if considering his health) there's nothing that's going to keep him from going to prison for the rest of his life.

Well hello, Mr. Mueller!

Seriously, that's a pretty bold statement.  I mean, that's what we want, that's what we need...but, what exactly are you basing that on?


Oh, it's not insider information.

It doesn't need to be.  He's confessed to multiple crimes in his farking tweets, for f*ck's sake.

The list of NY state crimes he's committed (or is still committing, he's still got property there and his businesses are still crooked) is pretty long, and Mueller is working with Schneiderman to prosecute them.  NY has their own money laundering and tax evasion laws, their own organized crime laws, their own child sex abuse laws.

As to life, for a man in his health a sentence longer than a few years will be a life sentence.  I'd seriously doubt he'll get less than 20 in NY by the time this is all over.

/I wonder if Florida will prosecute too.
//California hasn't really started making much noise yet either.
///But NY loves the perp walks, so that will be the most fun.
 
2018-01-03 03:52:30 PM  

orezona: I like how 2/3's of this thread is about the article and a steady third is arguing back and forth about the merits/problems of the Electoral College.

I know, I know...

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It's really not that hard to connect the dots, dude.

The Electoral College, as it was stated here earlier, FAILED to do the very thing it was set up to do: keep an incompetent blowhard like Trump out of office.

You bet we're going to be talking about this shiat until we finally get it repealed.
It's just the farking beginning.
 
2018-01-03 03:52:38 PM  

LordOfThePings: Big Floppy Donkey Dick Nixon: I can't find it, but there is a picture from election night, right after the results are all in, that shows him looking absolutely mortified he's won. Everyone around him looks elated, but he is just sitting there with an "oh fark" look on his face

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Melania...'Goddammit, I hate that fat blob..."     with eyes closed.
Barron also has his eyes shut.
Pence..."The world....is mine...."   *evil laugh
 
2018-01-03 03:55:44 PM  

F5 F5 Esc: Dear Diary,

Today was a funny sort of day ...


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People seemed to get a bit bitey...
 
2018-01-03 03:56:41 PM  

iheartscotch: The Notorious HRC took a dive....


That might just be the biggest long con in this whole shiatshow.

HRC knew she could win, she had the popular vote, and 3 swing states were each decided by a few thousand votes each (and Mueller is taking a hard look at those states).

HRC can't stand Trump; has hated him for years.  She wants to be the 1st woman president, but decides Two Scoops has overplayed his hand, and she'd rather see him go down - along with his spawn - than win the election.  She knows that once he becomes Prez, everything about his life is open to scrutiny, and she has no doubt there are hundreds of skeletons in the closet.

She loses, still makes a few mil with her book, and has the Clinton Foundation as a backup.  Meanwhile, D2C is way over his head, and he's taking the GOP down with him.  In Nov., Congress turns blue and Trump is a lame duck until 2020, if he's not outright impeached before then.

This could be HRC's payback to the GOP for 30 years of hatred and unfounded investigations.
 
2018-01-03 03:57:50 PM  

stir22: LordOfThePings: Big Floppy Donkey Dick Nixon: I can't find it, but there is a picture from election night, right after the results are all in, that shows him looking absolutely mortified he's won. Everyone around him looks elated, but he is just sitting there with an "oh fark" look on his face

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Melania...'Goddammit, I hate that fat blob..."     with eyes closed.
Barron also has his eyes shut.
Pence..."The world....is mine...."   *evil laugh


Ooo, can we get that famous inauguration day GIF of the Melania 'face fall'?
 
2018-01-03 04:00:16 PM  

Tomahawk513: stan unusual: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.

I used to think the EC was a good idea, but I have a harder and harder time justifying it.  I can't come up with a good explanation for why the vote of someone in a rural community should count more than a vote of someone in an urban community.  For that matter, why is representation assigned to states and not just geographical areas, at least in the House?  Why should Wyoming, with its population of just over 500,000 get its own House Representative when the average constituency size per Rep is 750,000?  That's more representation!  Why?  How could that be considered Democratic?


The EC was a good idea for a 19th century agrarian country. It was also a necessity to placate slaveholders in the South (due to the 3/5ths compromise) and to avoid a political battle in how the President should be selected (by the people or by state government).

But it is obsolete. While there are some imbalances, the EC is fairly evenly distributed based on population. The problem is that it effectively disenfranchises a large minority of each state.

And, no it doesn't protect rural areas or small states. Nobody gives a damn about Wyoming, the smallest state, but everyone cares about Florida, one of the biggest states.

The thing that matters is the balance of politics in the states. In California the EC disenfranchises most rural residents while in Alabama it disenfranchises most urban residents.

Yeah, you would get more people campaigning in Texas and California, but people still cant ignore other states and Democrats campaigning in Alabama and Republicans in Washington now matter.

The large battleground states (ie florida) would lose the most while the small one party state stand to gain the most, since you generally are doing some stuff in the big partisan states anyway.
 
2018-01-03 04:02:57 PM  

Palined Parenthood: If he he didn't want to win, then why did his campaign break so many laws?


He wanted to win because of his ego not accepting anything else. He didn't want to be President.
 
2018-01-03 04:04:14 PM  

BigGrnEggGriller: d23: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

The whole American system is complicit.

Face it: Europe has the right idea.  Our "experiment" has failed.

Since the Bush, Jr. administration, I have started really thinking the parliamentary system is the right one.  When the diaper gets full of shiat it can be changed, no matter whether it has been 4 years or not.

IOW, if you can't win the game using the current rules, change them.


Or, like the NFL, when the rules are resulting in poor outcomes (injuries, unclear judgement calls, etc), take a vote and change them.
 
2018-01-03 04:04:42 PM  

ObscureNameHere: Ooo, can we get that famous inauguration day GIF of the Melania 'face fall'?


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2018-01-03 04:05:14 PM  
the trumpanzies sound as upset as their hero today.  delightful.

/already ordered the book
 
2018-01-03 04:05:57 PM  

stir22: Smelly Pirate Hooker: Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?

They're stupid.

Nope, that's not it.  They despise Trump, make no mistake about it.

They just despise Hillary more.


They're stupid. No nuancing that. They're straight-up farking stupid.
 
2018-01-03 04:07:49 PM  

andomania: Tomahawk513: DarkVader: That's complete idiocy.

It is.  Right like cities are juts going to completely forget where food comes from.  Yup.  In this age of renewed focus on the quality, health, and sourcing of foods we're just gonna forget all that.

Food comes from California, right?

/yesitdoes
/


And Mexico.
 
2018-01-03 04:08:03 PM  

hubcity: Dusk-You-n-Me: Wolff

The argument against: Here's a piece Suck.com did on Wolff after he parlayed his disastrous stint running a dot-com into a book about how disastrous his stint running a dot-com was. (It's from 1998, so they were apparently reading A Song Of Ice And Fire: "Dire Wolff". They even highlight the New York / New Yorker dichotomy so many are still tripping over.)

The argument for: Trump has, indeed, lost his shiat, and is burning bridges with Bannon. Wolff's access (per Zeke Miller's tweet referenced above) may well have been sufficient for this to be truthy-enough.

/i fear we have triggered a sleeping snowflake, and filled him with a great resolve...


Wow. Suck.com. That brings back memories.

I sure hope Wolff has some tape recordings or writings to help back up the truthiness.

Because Trump is a horrible human (could not believe his unhinged debate roaming) who can be a failed casino owner and TV personality all the live long day but shouldn't even be allowed to eat dinner in DC.
 
2018-01-03 04:08:14 PM  

indy_kid: iheartscotch: The Notorious HRC took a dive....

That might just be the biggest long con in this whole shiatshow.

HRC knew she could win, she had the popular vote, and 3 swing states were each decided by a few thousand votes each (and Mueller is taking a hard look at those states).

HRC can't stand Trump; has hated him for years.  She wants to be the 1st woman president, but decides Two Scoops has overplayed his hand, and she'd rather see him go down - along with his spawn - than win the election.  She knows that once he becomes Prez, everything about his life is open to scrutiny, and she has no doubt there are hundreds of skeletons in the closet.

She loses, still makes a few mil with her book, and has the Clinton Foundation as a backup.  Meanwhile, D2C is way over his head, and he's taking the GOP down with him.  In Nov., Congress turns blue and Trump is a lame duck until 2020, if he's not outright impeached before then.

This could be HRC's payback to the GOP for 30 years of hatred and unfounded investigations.


I'd like to believe that, but D2S is still in office after a year, with tons and tons of skeletons just lying around all over the place.  And the carnage of his foreign policy nonsense will play out for years after he leaves office.  Short story:  HRC gets to cackle a bit, we're still boned.
 
2018-01-03 04:09:10 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Ed Grubermann: Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?

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Off topic, but does anyone know who this happy couple is?   I'd love for someone to interview them now and ask them, "How does it feel to be the poster children for idiocy?".


I'd say they're probably on cloud nine since the libs are sufficiently pissed off. You don't wear a shirt like that unless your main reason for voting for Trump is stigginit.
 
2018-01-03 04:09:59 PM  

stan unusual: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.


Required viewing for anyone who still believes in the EC.

The Trouble with the Electoral College
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2018-01-03 04:10:21 PM  

Tomahawk513: stan unusual: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.

I used to think the EC was a good idea, but I have a harder and harder time justifying it.  I can't come up with a good explanation for why the vote of someone in a rural community should count more than a vote of someone in an urban community.  For that matter, why is representation assigned to states and not just geographical areas, at least in the House?  Why should Wyoming, with its population of just over 500,000 get its own House Representative when the average constituency size per Rep is 750,000?  That's more representation!  Why?  How could that be considered Democratic?


When first conceived the EC made much more sense than it does now for two reasons.  1. The modest advantage that it gave to small population states didn't skew the popular vote nearly as much as it does now because they were a smaller percentage of the whole and the population disparities between the states was nowhere near as large as what we have now between Wyoming, Alaska, and North Dakota on one hand and California, Texas and Florida on the other. 2. Voters actually voted for electors, and even though their candidate preferences were generally known, they were not legally bound to follow them should circumstances change.  We've exacerbated the problem with #1 and neutered #2.

If we could end gerrymandering congressional districts, I'd be happy with the compromise that Maine and Nebraska have adopted- one elector per CD and two for the statewide winner.
 
2018-01-03 04:11:11 PM  
Twenty years later, the movie "Bullworth" comes to real life.

instead of a Senator, it's the friggin U.S. President.

Instead of Halle Berry, we get/got Omorosa.

Bullworth didn't have a Kelly Anne. Even Hollywood with all their creative talent couldn't have synthesized somebody like her.
 
2018-01-03 04:11:33 PM  

kindms: and you just showed that you have no qualms about the tyranny of the majority. What you have done is basically made every minority and protected class person subject to the majority rule. Perhaps you should read about WHY this is a bad idea before trying to go with true democracy. There is a very good reason our system is setup the way it is. Just because you haven't won enough doesn't inherently make it bad.


Don't know what the Constitution is, do you?
 
2018-01-03 04:11:44 PM  

Mechanicum: Think plumbing contractors. not broke ass rednecks


Would that be broke-ass rednecks?

Or broke ass-rednecks?

What about broke red assnecks?
 
2018-01-03 04:12:38 PM  
Trump, in fact, found the White House to be vexing and even a little scary. He retreated to his own bedroom - the first time since the Kennedy White House that a presidential couple had maintained separate rooms. In the first days, he ordered two television screens in addition to the one already there, and a lock on the door, precipitating a brief standoff with the Secret Service, who insisted they have access to the room. He reprimanded the housekeeping staff for picking up his shirt from the floor: "If my shirt is on the floor, it's because I want it on the floor." Then he imposed a set of new rules: Nobody touch anything, especially not his toothbrush. (He had a longtime fear of being poisoned, one reason why he liked to eat at McDonald's - nobody knew he was coming and the food was safely premade.) Also, he would let housekeeping know when he wanted his sheets done, and he would strip his own bed.

I suppose you see similar things with all people who are too close with Putin.
 
2018-01-03 04:12:45 PM  

Zeke The Octopus: kab: There was footage shown after he won, of him getting a tour of the White House. The deer-in-the-headlights look on his face when being shown around was humorous.

skyotter: Thanks again for electing this asshole, you assholes.

Don't kid yourself.   Voters didn't put him in place, because voters don't elect presidents, no matter how you want to spin it.

The republican party is absolutely 100% responsible for anything and everything he does, and any fallout from his actions,  The right wing had their opportunity to show this guy the door in the summer of 2016, and decided not to.   And as generally shiatty as your field was, any one of them was better suited to lead than DJT is.

Since then, the right wing has embraced being portrayed as white supremacist sympathizers, advocates of nepotism. You've proudly displayed yourselves as proponents of foreign interference in the election process, and abuse of executive power.    None of this is debatable at all.

You've established a new low in what passes for candidate qualification, and will pander to any mindset or history as long as it pulls on the R lever.   Frankly, you ceasing to exist as a political party would be one of the better things to happen to the US.

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The Cringe.

It burns.
 
2018-01-03 04:13:54 PM  

ox45tallboy: Dewey Fidalgo: Ed Grubermann: Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?

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Off topic, but does anyone know who this happy couple is?   I'd love for someone to interview them now and ask them, "How does it feel to be the poster children for idiocy?".

I'd say they're probably on cloud nine since the libs are sufficiently pissed off. You don't wear a shirt like that unless your main reason for voting for Trump is stigginit.


I can imagine those assholes deliberately worsening their type 2 diabetes just so they can get their feet amputated without the benefit of Nobamacare and really stiggit.
 
2018-01-03 04:14:50 PM  

skyotter: Thanks again for electing this asshole, you assholes.


приветствую, товарищ
 
2018-01-03 04:14:50 PM  

qorkfiend: Snapper Carr: I wouldn't think any less of him* if he chose to resign.

*I am in fact, incapable of thinking any less of him so...

I would in fact respect him more if he did and said something like "I am resigning because I am woefully unprepared for this responsibility"

Of course there is no way he would do that


It could also be that Obama made it all the way through eight years and he would laugh at Trump if he quit.
 
2018-01-03 04:18:09 PM  

stir22: LordOfThePings: Big Floppy Donkey Dick Nixon: I can't find it, but there is a picture from election night, right after the results are all in, that shows him looking absolutely mortified he's won. Everyone around him looks elated, but he is just sitting there with an "oh fark" look on his face

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Melania...'Goddammit, I hate that fat blob..."     with eyes closed.
Barron also has his eyes shut.
Pence..."The world....is mine...."   *evil laugh


Eric: "I'm Eric!"
 
2018-01-03 04:18:38 PM  
Gotta love the quality Republican candidates lately, a Pedophile, a Russian mafia crime boss, a guy that does not want the job.
 
2018-01-03 04:20:20 PM  

BigGrnEggGriller: d23: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

The whole American system is complicit.

Face it: Europe has the right idea.  Our "experiment" has failed.

Since the Bush, Jr. administration, I have started really thinking the parliamentary system is the right one.  When the diaper gets full of shiat it can be changed, no matter whether it has been 4 years or not.

IOW, if you can't win the game using the current rules, change them.


 Worked for the republicans
 
2018-01-03 04:21:01 PM  

Harlee: Snapper Carr: I wouldn't think any less of him* if he chose to resign.

*I am in fact, incapable of thinking any less of him so...

That would leave Pence in charge. Not sure you've thought your cunning plan all the way through here.


Robin Williams argued that Dan Quayle is why Bush 41 remained in office to the end of his term.
 
2018-01-03 04:21:38 PM  

dywed88: Palined Parenthood: If he he didn't want to win, then why did his campaign break so many laws?

He wanted to win because of his ego not accepting anything else. He didn't want to be President.


(sigh) He wanted the title. He doesn't want the job.

Politics bore him. You can tell. Some moron (or some opportunist, probably Gollum or Skeletor) told him politics is like professional wrestling or a reality show. It isn't. So he has a job he hates and millions (maybe billions) of people who farking hate him and don't have a problem saying it out loud every single day, instead of the crowds of adoring morons who cheered when he was running. The crowds of adoring morons are still there, but vastly outnumbered by the people who hate him. This shiat isn't pretending or playacting, like his stupid wrestling appearances or his stupid reality show. People REALLY farking hate him.

It's eating him up from the inside out. Good. If Obama reacted like that to criticism, he'd have aged 20 years in the time he was president. The current farkface in Chief has aged more than that in a year.
 
2018-01-03 04:24:34 PM  

FortyHams: Archidude: FortyHams: Sounds like they're going to have to completely redo the presidential bedroom after he leaves.

Tearing down the steel and concrete barrier that Melania had built down the center of the bed is going to be difficult.

According to the article they're the first couple since Kennedy to sleep in separate rooms. The difference being that JFK's room was too full of young women and Trump's is just full of big mac wrappers and dirty clothes.


I'll bet he snores loud enough to Wake the Dead. Just look at the fat slob, his double chins probably collapse on his windpipe. We should just wait and let sleep apnea do its job. What if one of his other secrets is that he has to sleep with a CPAP machine?
 
2018-01-03 04:24:53 PM  

stan unusual: When first conceived the EC made much more sense than it does now for two reasons. 1. The modest advantage that it gave to small population states didn't skew the popular vote nearly as much as it does now because they were a smaller percentage of the whole and the population disparities between the states was nowhere near as large as what we have now between Wyoming, Alaska, and North Dakota on one hand and California, Texas and Florida on the other. 2. Voters actually voted for electors, and even though their candidate preferences were generally known, they were not legally bound to follow them should circumstances change. We've exacerbated the problem with #1 and neutered #2.

If we could end gerrymandering congressional districts, I'd be happy with the compromise that Maine and Nebraska have adopted- one elector per CD and two for the statewide winner.


The problem with this is you'd have to do it nationwide, or not at all.  If you recall after the tea party wave of 2010, the newly-elected blue/purple-state Republican governors (OH, PA, MI, VA, WI, FL, etc.) were all masturbating furiously over this idea.  TX, AL, MS, GA, not so much.  The Maine and Nebraska districts happen to balance themselves out nicely in the current climate.
 
2018-01-03 04:25:41 PM  
Before the election, it was pretty clear to me (and others) that he was super-ultra-mega broke, like "nine or ten figures underwater" broke. The funny thing is that while you have to be incredibly "wealthy" to get ten or a hundred million dollars in debt, to get a billion in debt, you pretty much have to be constantly breaking the law.

So I thought, okay, he's dangerously broke, he's probably half a step ahead of some pissant SEC or Treasury agent taking him down hard, and he's running for president. Makes sense, because even though he won't win [oops], now he can scream that it's all political persecution. That alone seemed like a sufficient explanation for all the "jail crooked Hillary" talk: he could say she was just paying him back for that, which would probably confuse a jury enough for an acquittal.

My modest proposal at the time was: we do some legislative magic to wipe clean all your debts, we pardon you for everything you may or may not have done, and you just go away. It wasn't that I wanted Clinton to have a free shot; at the time I figured Rubio or Kasich would be a real threat to her. I just wanted to not farking live in a world where I had to see this piece of shiat on TV every day.

Offer still stands, Donny. True, you're actually worse off now than you had been, but I am even more farking tired of you, so I think it's still a fair trade.
 
2018-01-03 04:26:41 PM  
FTA: "Early in the campaign, Sam Nunberg was sent to explain the Constitution to the candidate. "I got as far as the Fourth Amendment," Nunberg recalled, "before his finger is pulling down on his lip and his eyes are rolling back in his head."

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

That the potential president of the United States - or any person that calls themselves an American citizen that has completed second grade - should need this explained to them should scare people more than it seems to now. A lot more.
 
2018-01-03 04:28:27 PM  
That was a very entertaining read. I'm sure Trump will enjoy finding out that his daughter makes fun of his combover behind his back.
 
2018-01-03 04:28:37 PM  

Ivo Shandor: [s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com image 500x326]


I will forever remember this picture.  That whole day sucked on ice, but it was really the beginning of something a bit bigger than all of us.  The right was laughing and enjoying their 'win' with the help of Russia, the Left was reforming and getting pissed, and the Third-Way Democrats were even planning on going full force against Trump.  And then Dickie Spencer the White Supremacist got punched and everything went full tilt boogie.

How will this end?  A strong American Left for the first time in a hundred years thanks to a mismanaged and exploited capitalism?  Trump's entire life destroyed as everybody gives him the attention he doesn't want, sifting through his problematic rise and fall to reveal he's just a crummy Russian money launderer?  The right-wing exposing their bullshiat to be really a cult mentality of 'we do what the TV tells us' and shiatting in the face of Jesus whenever they get a chance?  And America, glorious America, being kicked out of the position of sole superpower because we can no longer be trusted....and it being the entire fault of every single stupid motherfarker who voted for Trump, and how they will never be able to live that down.

We spun the wheel, folks, and now....things get really weird.  But in a way, I think this unfolded the way it should have.  The cycle could only go on for so long.  And now, things change.  Who knows how everything will rumble out.
 
2018-01-03 04:29:27 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: stir22: Smelly Pirate Hooker: Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?

They're stupid.

Nope, that's not it.  They despise Trump, make no mistake about it.

They just despise Hillary more.

They're stupid. No nuancing that. They're straight-up farking stupid.


LOL....okay, whatevs.  Can we go 50/50?


In my experience, it's more about hating everybody not like themselves, and their utter hatred for Hillary, the latter being borne out of jealousy.
 
2018-01-03 04:30:51 PM  
My favorite bit (and I'm only about a quarter through):

Again, as though setting the issue of Trump aside - merely a large and peculiar presence to both be thankful for and to have to abide - Bannon, in the role he had conceived for himself, the auteur of the Trump presidency, charged forward. The real enemy, he said, was China. China was the first front in a new Cold War.

"China's everything. Nothing else matters. We don't get China right, we don't get anything right. This whole thing is very simple. China is where Nazi Germany was in 1929 to 1930."


Drunken fkwit doesn't even remember his history. In 1929, the NSDAP had something like 10-15 seats in the Reichstag.
 
2018-01-03 04:31:08 PM  

stir22: Smelly Pirate Hooker: stir22: Smelly Pirate Hooker: Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?

They're stupid.

Nope, that's not it.  They despise Trump, make no mistake about it.

They just despise Hillary more.

They're stupid. No nuancing that. They're straight-up farking stupid.

LOL....okay, whatevs.  Can we go 50/50?


Sure.
 
2018-01-03 04:31:16 PM  

rewind2846: FTA: "Early in the campaign, Sam Nunberg was sent to explain the Constitution to the candidate. "I got as far as the Fourth Amendment," Nunberg recalled, "before his finger is pulling down on his lip and his eyes are rolling back in his head."

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

That the potential president of the United States - or any person that calls themselves an American citizen that has completed second grade - should need this explained to them should scare people more than it seems to now. A lot more.


Which in a way is kind of kind of counter-intuitive, if you think about it.  You'd think that the amendments - which for the most part consist of small, clearly-delineated, easily-digestible chunks - would be much more in tune with someone like D2S's attention span than the long articles of the main document.  <shrug>
 
2018-01-03 04:31:22 PM  

kindms: DarkVader: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

That's complete idiocy.

If you eliminate the electoral college, EVERY vote counts, from everywhere in the country.  It eliminates presidential elections being about landmass, and makes them about humans.  A vote in Podunk Idaho counts exactly the same as a vote in the Bronx.

Right now, that vote in the Bronx doesn't mean much.  And that deplorable's vote in Podunk counts for a whole lot more than it should.

If it hadn't been for the electoral college, not only would Drumpf not have been president, the margin would have been a lot bigger than 3 million votes because there would not have been the incentive to stay home and let somebody else bother that there was in states like NY and CA.

/We also need preference voting, to remove the concept of votes for third parties being spoilers.

and you just showed that you have no qualms about the tyranny of the majority. What you have done is basically made every minority and protected class person subject to the majority rule. Perhaps you should ...


Now THAT is sheer idiocy.  I said nothing about abolishing individual rights, I would generally prefer to strengthen them.  I said nothing about protections for minority groups, again I would prefer to strengthen them.

But what we have now is a tyranny of the minority, some people have more vote than others, and they've forced a moron lunatic criminal on the rest of us.

The electoral college, which was in theory supposed to be a safety valve against this sort of thing, has failed utterly at that job.  It was a bad idea when it was devised, it was never an adequate means to accomplish that task, and it's long since outlived its usefulness.  It's time for it to go.

And if I were designing a government from scratch, I would never have a single president in the first place.  I'd probably come up with something like a council of 10 co-presidents, each with a single 10 year term, with one changing every year.  Any law would require the signature of 6, any executive order or military action 8, and any use of nuclear weapons would require all 10 to be unanimous.  A tie would be the equivalent of a veto.

I'd district the country, one person one vote, with computer drawn districts to prevent gerrymandering, and without regard to state lines, a 500 person house and a 100 person senate, and preference voting for all offices to try to break the entire concept of a two-party system.

But without redesigning the whole thing, the best step we can take now is to push for the elimination of the electoral college.  It isn't useful, it gives us demonstrably bad results (not just Drumpf, if it hadn't been for the EC, Legitimate President Gore would have taken office in 2001, there would never have been a question of him winning Florida (he did, but by the time somebody did a full recount it was too late), and we'd have avoided this perpetual war), and it needs to go.
 
2018-01-03 04:32:27 PM  

The Third Man: The only problem with this theory is the obvious one:  if he didn't want to be President then, why does he want to be President now?  It's not like the job is getting any easier or less stressful.  And he'd make a ton of money off of rubes if he resigned and blamed "the deep state" or "Killary" or some other nonsense for making his job impossible.

Bottom line is, as President Trump is hated by the people he wants to impress, and his base is comprised of the poor, uneducated folks he's looked down on his entire life.  As former President, he can make money off those poor, uneducated folks--and really, making money off of the easily-scammed is the only thing he's ever shown a real passion for doing--and the people he wants to impress will find someone else to hate.  But he's showing no interest in becoming a former President.  So maybe he does want to be the leader after all.


The point is he was to get Russian money/favors for promises, then lose anyway. Now he's on the hook for those promises and if he leaves on his own he's farked.

It's a modern retelling of "The Producers"
 
2018-01-03 04:32:33 PM  

dywed88: Tomahawk513: stan unusual: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.

I used to think the EC was a good idea, but I have a harder and harder time justifying it.  I can't come up with a good explanation for why the vote of someone in a rural community should count more than a vote of someone in an urban community.  For that matter, why is representation assigned to states and not just geographical areas, at least in the House?  Why should Wyoming, with its population of just over 500,000 get its own House Representative when the average constituency size per Rep is 750,000?  That's more representation!  Why?  How could that be considered Democratic?

The EC was a good idea for a 19th century agrarian country. It was also a necessity to placate slaveholders in the South (due to the 3/5ths compromise) and to avoid a political battle in how the President shou ...


The EC screws smaller to mid sized states WRT the smallest states too.  http://www.slate.com/articles/news_an​d​_politics/map_of_the_week/2012/11/pres​idential_election_a_map_showing_the_vo​te_power_of_all_50_states.html
 
2018-01-03 04:32:51 PM  
This should be obvious to everyone. But some are slower than others.
 
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