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2018-01-03 03:19:38 PM  
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/10/09​/​steve-bannon-hannity-bob-corker-and-es​tablishment-gop-must-be-voted-out

I wonder if Sterno Bannon has been telling Cruz he'll help engineer conditions for a primary in 2020
 
2018-01-03 03:19:43 PM  

Markoff_Cheney: kliq: I put the right wing derp radio and Steve Bannon is now worse than Hillary. This is farking hilarious.

Those hyenas sure do turn on their own in a heartbeat.


It's the pseudo-penises.
 
2018-01-03 03:20:10 PM  
Walsh, who came to the White House from the RNC, represented a certain Republican ideal: clean, brisk, orderly, efficient.

Really?
 
2018-01-03 03:20:20 PM  

Antidamascus: Smelly Pirate Hooker: Yellow Beard:
Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.

(wanking motion)

You know that means nothing, right? LOL.

In case you are so dim you don't know that, "counties won" is a meaningless metric that stupid fark Trump bragged about, temporarily, to make getting fewer votes than Clinton sound OK. He couldn't make the "millions of illegals voted" horseshiat stick, so he (or more likely one of his soulless minions, since he's not so good with the thinking) came up with the "counties" talking point.

It's like bragging about how many windows your car has, or debating tastes great vs. less filling.

Another data point that proves Republicans are the stupidest people on earth. The feeble pimping of weak shiat like this is, well, to use the biggest word the president actually knows the definition of: sad.

Yes but how many streets did Trump win? How many guns?


Watching adults -- I assume most of the people here are adults -- seriously repeating the stupid that Faux News shiats out, as if it's actual useful information, is depressing.

Identifying the stupid on Fark feels like cleaning barf or shiat out of the carpet. Necessary, but not fun. Despite my sarcastic LOL.
 
2018-01-03 03:20:22 PM  

Yellow Beard: cameroncrazy1984: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

And actually what happened is 3 million people who live in those areas didn't count.

The electoral college sucks, plain and simple. Land shouldn't have a vote.

Clinton won just 15% of the counties in America. You may think it is cool that just 15% of the counties decide the presidency but I think about 85% of the country may disagree with you.


"Counties" don't vote. People do. I don't agree with, or give two wet farts about how the people of Anchorage, Alaska, vote, but because I live in Alaska, my vote is thrown away as my state's EC votes go where Anchorage's voters go. How about stop caring what "land" wants and care for what the voters want?
 
2018-01-03 03:20:40 PM  

MFK: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

fark you.  All you deserve is one person one vote.  Your vote should not count more than mine, and currently it does, thanks to a wretched constitution designed to protect slavery and to generations of shiatheads who refused to improve or fix this "holy" document of American "exceptionalism".

yeah pretty much this. "we can't let NY and CA decide how the country is run so we let FL and OH do it instead"


Cuz everyone is clamoring to be more like Florida...
 
2018-01-03 03:21:04 PM  

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Pats_Cloth_Coat: This text is now purple: Big Floppy Donkey Dick Nixon: I can't find it, but there is a picture from election night, right after the results are all in, that shows him looking absolutely mortified he's won. Everyone around him looks elated, but he is just sitting there with an "oh fark" look on his face

Everyone gets that look. The job ages people. It's like Moses coming down the mountain after having stood in the presence of God. Each year as President is like 4 in normal years.

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On the left, 1858.  On the right, 1865.

Yeah.

Depression, marfans disease, suppressed bisexuality, and a farking civil war can take a toll.


I understand he also had to fight vampires at the same time, but you won't hear the Mainstream Media reporting on that!
 
2018-01-03 03:21:28 PM  
That's the trick, isn't it? Wanting the job while giving the impression that you could take it or leave it.

So far, I see hundreds of members of Congress from both parties who at least realized that they did have a job to do, and letting the el-gran-jefe of the moment rule by decree wasn't going to cut it.

I expect this newly-rediscovered principle to vanish as soon as Trump does.
 
2018-01-03 03:21:28 PM  

Harlee: Snatch Bandergrip: 5 years ago, I wrote a spec pilot for a writing class in which a wildly ignorant, irresponsible, corrupt congressman tries to sabotage his own presidential campaign, but it backfires because the American people are so farking dumb that his polls go up with every idiotic, disgusting move.

I wrote that shiat five years ago.

The Mouse That Roared.


Don't know it, but I'll take a look, thanks
 
2018-01-03 03:22:22 PM  

RoomFullOfMonkeys: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

So because some people live in the middle of nowhere you think their votes should count more than those of people who live where the jobs are?


And who seem to be so resentful of the people who left to find something better that they're willing to vote for someone who promised them that the jobs they used to have would come back, when all available objective evidence suggests that they won't?

Moreover, I'm not understanding how 'flyover' country would be forgotten.  If Obama's (or HRC or any Dems) ideas about a stimulus package had been given greater consideration in Congress, you can be sure that some of the most needy areas in flyover country would have benefitted.  Dems are committed to making sure the ACA is improved; how wouldn't that help the opiate epidemic in IN as well as in PA or ME?  Dems tend to support legislation that helps the many, regardless of what area of the country in which they live.  Talk about being ignored - let's talk about the tax bill which benefits the wealthy who predominately live in the so-called blue states. JFC on a cracker!

/There is no reason for the EC in this day and age
//One person, one vote, period
///People, not Land
 
2018-01-03 03:22:24 PM  

xanadian: That "news article" reads like fan fiction.

For example:  did Murdock REALLY say "what a f*cking idiot"?  And to whom?  And who else heard it?  Was that really reported to someone?  Or are we just speculation as to what went on behind the scenes?


That's what i thought, too.  It has a comic book quality to it.  Typical lib Farkers will absolutely eat it up, though
 
2018-01-03 03:23:17 PM  
I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?
 
2018-01-03 03:23:40 PM  

Tomahawk513: stan unusual: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.

I used to think the EC was a good idea, but I have a harder and harder time justifying it.  I can't come up with a good explanation for why the vote of someone in a rural community should count more than a vote of someone in an urban community.  For that matter, why is representation assigned to states and not just geographical areas, at least in the House?  Why should Wyoming, with its population of just over 500,000 get its own House Representative when the average constituency size per Rep is 750,000?  That's more representation!  Why?  How could that be considered Democratic?


Well, I can see some logic in the concept of "states' rights" as a Michigan resident.  When the country dries up and the Great Lakes are the easiest source of fresh water around in a few decades we don't want the morans who moved to the desert to get access to our water.  Getting a little extra leverage on that issue is nice to protect our local resources.  We suffer through these winters just for the payoff of saying "fark you" to all the people in Arizona on that day.
 
2018-01-03 03:24:58 PM  
We're headed for the gredunza on this thread.  Easy.
 
2018-01-03 03:25:28 PM  
I like how 2/3's of this thread is about the article and a steady third is arguing back and forth about the merits/problems of the Electoral College.

I know, I know...

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2018-01-03 03:26:07 PM  

Tomahawk513: stan unusual: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

If a candidate wins the vote in the ten most populous states, that would not be enough to constitute a majority of the Electoral college.  That's how terribly the EC skews the popular vote.

I used to think the EC was a good idea, but I have a harder and harder time justifying it.  I can't come up with a good explanation for why the vote of someone in a rural community should count more than a vote of someone in an urban community.  For that matter, why is representation assigned to states and not just geographical areas, at least in the House?  Why should Wyoming, with its population of just over 500,000 get its own House Representative when the average constituency size per Rep is 750,000?  That's more representation!  Why?  How could that be considered Democratic?


Because the racist assholes are more spread out geographically than the "urban" people.
 
2018-01-03 03:26:07 PM  

fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.


That's complete idiocy.

If you eliminate the electoral college, EVERY vote counts, from everywhere in the country.  It eliminates presidential elections being about landmass, and makes them about humans.  A vote in Podunk Idaho counts exactly the same as a vote in the Bronx.

Right now, that vote in the Bronx doesn't mean much.  And that deplorable's vote in Podunk counts for a whole lot more than it should.

If it hadn't been for the electoral college, not only would Drumpf not have been president, the margin would have been a lot bigger than 3 million votes because there would not have been the incentive to stay home and let somebody else bother that there was in states like NY and CA.

/We also need preference voting, to remove the concept of votes for third parties being spoilers.
 
2018-01-03 03:26:15 PM  

FortyHams: Sounds like they're going to have to completely redo the presidential bedroom after he leaves.


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2018-01-03 03:26:25 PM  

BeautifulOnes: Moreover, I'm not understanding how 'flyover' country would be forgotten.


He was just parroting an old "common sense" argument that, like many common sense arguments, doesn't hold water when you drill down into it.

The fact is that it would open up more strategies politically than we currently have.  You could have a rural strategy that goes after all the rural parts of the states and selective population centers to counter all the east and west coast dirty hippies, for example.
 
2018-01-03 03:26:59 PM  

Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?


They're stupid.
 
2018-01-03 03:27:00 PM  

Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?


He says all of the things they think when they're at work, but only say when they've had too many beers at Thanksgiving dinner.
 
2018-01-03 03:28:58 PM  
All of this and not one Mr. Garrison reference?
 
2018-01-03 03:29:39 PM  

NevynFox: Well, you shouldn't have handed it out to everyone you saw.

Now look what you did.


I'm a screenwriter. I have a biological imperative to pester every soul I encounter with my puerile dribblings. My dog has started drinking.
 
2018-01-03 03:29:59 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?

They're stupid.


Nope, that's not it.  They despise Trump, make no mistake about it.

They just despise Hillary more.
 
2018-01-03 03:30:41 PM  

d23: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

The whole American system is complicit.

Face it: Europe has the right idea.  Our "experiment" has failed.

Since the Bush, Jr. administration, I have started really thinking the parliamentary system is the right one.  When the diaper gets full of shiat it can be changed, no matter whether it has been 4 years or not.


IOW, if you can't win the game using the current rules, change them.
 
2018-01-03 03:30:49 PM  

DarkVader: That's complete idiocy.


It is.  Right like cities are juts going to completely forget where food comes from.  Yup.  In this age of renewed focus on the quality, health, and sourcing of foods we're just gonna forget all that.
 
2018-01-03 03:30:59 PM  
I said this months ago - I may even have  posted it to fark: winning was the *worst* possible result. My take: he originally decided to run for sheer ego... and because he hoped he could gain enough political leverage to kill the FBI investigations into money laundering and tax evasion. Y'know, like the way his lawyer came to the NYC DA, and made a $25k "donation" to his reelection campaign, and suddenly, completely unrelated, the DA told his staff to drop the almost-ready-to-file-charges against Jared and Ivanka for fraud.

Then he started winning primaries, and his ego kicked in. And he hated the "older" money, because they considered him nouveau riche, and a creep, and a jerk.. So he pushed... but kept expecting to not get the nomination. When he did, his ego overrode what sense he had.

And over the summer, there was an interview where he was complaining that he hated the job, he couldn't drive, *everyyhing* was inside a security cocoon, and he couldn't just pay people off... because he's under a microscope. And he's surely getting grief (and fewer lays) from Melania, who hates it all, for the same reasons.
 
2018-01-03 03:31:08 PM  
Meanwhile, Robby Mook - in his brilliance - couldn't figure out how to beat this farking nimrod.
 
2018-01-03 03:31:11 PM  
From Trump's respone-

Steve Bannon has nothing to do with me or my Presidency. When he was fired, he not only lost his job, he lost his mind. Steve was a staffer who worked for me after I had already won the nomination by defeating seventeen candidates, often described as the most talented field ever assembled in the Republican party.

Thatbunch of in-bred ass clowns?  Thatwas the most talented field ever assembled for the Republican party?
 
2018-01-03 03:31:44 PM  

Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?


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2018-01-03 03:32:04 PM  

Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire. What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?


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2018-01-03 03:33:11 PM  

DarkVader: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

That's complete idiocy.

If you eliminate the electoral college, EVERY vote counts, from everywhere in the country.  It eliminates presidential elections being about landmass, and makes them about humans.  A vote in Podunk Idaho counts exactly the same as a vote in the Bronx.

Right now, that vote in the Bronx doesn't mean much.  And that deplorable's vote in Podunk counts for a whole lot more than it should.

If it hadn't been for the electoral college, not only would Drumpf not have been president, the margin would have been a lot bigger than 3 million votes because there would not have been the incentive to stay home and let somebody else bother that there was in states like NY and CA.

/We also need preference voting, to remove the concept of votes for third parties being spoilers.


and you just showed that you have no qualms about the tyranny of the majority. What you have done is basically made every minority and protected class person subject to the majority rule. Perhaps you should read about WHY this is a bad idea before trying to go with true democracy. There is a very good reason our system is setup the way it is. Just because you haven't won enough doesn't inherently make it bad.
 
2018-01-03 03:33:54 PM  
As the French say, "what a farking surprise."
 
2018-01-03 03:34:58 PM  

BigGrnEggGriller: d23: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

The whole American system is complicit.

Face it: Europe has the right idea.  Our "experiment" has failed.

Since the Bush, Jr. administration, I have started really thinking the parliamentary system is the right one.  When the diaper gets full of shiat it can be changed, no matter whether it has been 4 years or not.

IOW, if you can't win the game using the current rules, change them.


What is this I can't even... We literally change the rules all the time for various reasons.  We just changed tax laws because rich people weren't winning enough.  We busted up monopolies because small businesses and consumers weren't winning enough in the early 20th century.  Why is trying to change the rules because you're not winning a bad thing?
 
2018-01-03 03:35:33 PM  

Tomahawk513: DarkVader: That's complete idiocy.

It is.  Right like cities are juts going to completely forget where food comes from.  Yup.  In this age of renewed focus on the quality, health, and sourcing of foods we're just gonna forget all that.


Food comes from California, right?

/yesitdoes
/
 
2018-01-03 03:36:24 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Of course he never wanted to win. He never planned on winning. His goal was to throw so much shiat at Hillary that her presidency would be crippled with fake scandals and allegations.

From there he'd get his Russia pay (Putin wants America destabilized, nothing more) and be able to start his Trump News Network with alt-right news alt-the time.

His worst mistake was running. His worst nightmare is winning.


You skipped ahead.

He started it as a simple PR stunt like in 2012.

Then his racist comments started rising in the polls. And Trump's ego can't turn down a popularity contest so he actually tried to run.

And when Putin came calling, Trump isn't passing on any help to win said popularity contest.

Also I don't think he knew what "President" entailed.
 
2018-01-03 03:37:03 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Preston Preston: I still don't understand what would make a bunch of southern red state evangelicals vote for a New York yankee billionaire.  What strange sort of mental gymnastics made that possible?

They actually think he's one of them.  How?

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Off topic, but does anyone know who this happy couple is?   I'd love for someone to interview them now and ask them, "How does it feel to be the poster children for idiocy?".
 
2018-01-03 03:37:32 PM  

El_Perro: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x412]


Given the funnies you received seems like I wasn't the only one who thought this was satire.  The age of Poe's law. Jeebus.
 
2018-01-03 03:37:53 PM  

kindms: DarkVader: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

That's complete idiocy.

If you eliminate the electoral college, EVERY vote counts, from everywhere in the country.  It eliminates presidential elections being about landmass, and makes them about humans.  A vote in Podunk Idaho counts exactly the same as a vote in the Bronx.

Right now, that vote in the Bronx doesn't mean much.  And that deplorable's vote in Podunk counts for a whole lot more than it should.

If it hadn't been for the electoral college, not only would Drumpf not have been president, the margin would have been a lot bigger than 3 million votes because there would not have been the incentive to stay home and let somebody else bother that there was in states like NY and CA.

/We also need preference voting, to remove the concept of votes for third parties being spoilers.

and you just showed that you have no qualms about the tyranny of the majority. What you have done is basically made every minority and protected class person subject to the majority rule. Perhaps you should read about WHY this is a bad idea before trying to go with true democracy. There is a very good reason our system is setup the way it is. Just because you haven't won enough doesn't inherently make it bad.


There are protections for the minority segments of our population. You are advocating minority rule, which batshart insane.
 
2018-01-03 03:37:57 PM  

Officer Barrelroll: He might be my new favorite artist.

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I want that on a t-shirt.
 
2018-01-03 03:38:14 PM  

fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.



"Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong."

Its the opposite. How much serious attention did either team give to those markets?
Zero.
Because they were known outcomes. No one had to waste any money in those regions campaigning.

The places that get the most attention are a few mid-population counties in specific states that can actually result in a swing of that state.

Get rid of the EC?
EVERY VOTE MATTERS.
The guy in Cambridge MA has his vote count just as much as the guy in Tulsa OK or the guy in Jacksonville FL.

They HAVE to campaign everywhere.

As for the 15% county remark that someone else made....
Those were, for the most part, the wealthy counties.

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2018-01-03 03:38:16 PM  

kindms: DarkVader: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

That's complete idiocy.

If you eliminate the electoral college, EVERY vote counts, from everywhere in the country.  It eliminates presidential elections being about landmass, and makes them about humans.  A vote in Podunk Idaho counts exactly the same as a vote in the Bronx.

Right now, that vote in the Bronx doesn't mean much.  And that deplorable's vote in Podunk counts for a whole lot more than it should.

If it hadn't been for the electoral college, not only would Drumpf not have been president, the margin would have been a lot bigger than 3 million votes because there would not have been the incentive to stay home and let somebody else bother that there was in states like NY and CA.

/We also need preference voting, to remove the concept of votes for third parties being spoilers.

and you just showed that you have no qualms about the tyranny of the majority. What you have done is basically made every minority and protected class person subject to the majority rule. Perhaps you should ...


You'd have a point if the party that won a minority of votes wasn't also the one oppressing minorities.  Maybe we need more of this "tyranny of the majority"?  Seemed to work out well for Gay Marriage, Abortion, Trans-rights, refugees, immigrants, racial minorities, women... Wow, you know, seems like the only group for which "tyranny of the majority" isn't beneficial (necessarily) is white men.  Huh.
 
2018-01-03 03:38:43 PM  
Jeebus Farktarded Christ on a pogo stick.  Just when I think America can't be any more farked, another layer of ooze slides off the "Trump Administration" and I gag at the putrid reek of what's revealed.  I've never loathed another person this much.
 
2018-01-03 03:39:29 PM  
If he he didn't want to win, then why did his campaign break so many laws?
 
2018-01-03 03:40:11 PM  

Palined Parenthood: If he he didn't want to win, then why did his campaign break so many laws?


Incompetence
 
2018-01-03 03:40:26 PM  

kindms: DarkVader: fireclown: alienated: fireclown: Katerchen: Good. Let this corrupt, broken two-party political system burn to the ground, along with the Electoral College, now that it was proven beyond doubt how flawed a concept it is 200+ years after its inception.

I politely disagree.  The EC is all that keeps every american who doesn't live in greater NYC, Southern CA, or Chicagoland from being completely ignored.

we, speaking as the majority of folks in SoCal voted for team pantsuit, and I am pretty sure folks in those other places did also, so your argument is invalid. Now, if you had said it keeps folks in suburbia and the prairies and the sticks in the game- you would be correct.

It isn't invalid.  Both teams, Red and Blue, had to at least pretend to give a fig what happened outside of the four or so major metro areas.  Without the EC, they don't, and flyover country will get sold out faster than you can say Jack Robinson in an effort to win over the sophisticated urbanites.

That's complete idiocy.

If you eliminate the electoral college, EVERY vote counts, from everywhere in the country.  It eliminates presidential elections being about landmass, and makes them about humans.  A vote in Podunk Idaho counts exactly the same as a vote in the Bronx.

Right now, that vote in the Bronx doesn't mean much.  And that deplorable's vote in Podunk counts for a whole lot more than it should.

If it hadn't been for the electoral college, not only would Drumpf not have been president, the margin would have been a lot bigger than 3 million votes because there would not have been the incentive to stay home and let somebody else bother that there was in states like NY and CA.

/We also need preference voting, to remove the concept of votes for third parties being spoilers.

and you just showed that you have no qualms about the tyranny of the majority. What you have done is basically made every minority and protected class person subject to the majority rule. Perhaps you should ...


You mean the candidate with the most votes winning?  The way literally every other election in America works?  We're geting tryanny now with the electoral college, and it definitely ain't from the farking majority.
 
2018-01-03 03:41:34 PM  
I love Love LOVE that Ann Coulter, of all people, has to remind him that he can't just appoint his kids Chief of Staff.
 
2018-01-03 03:41:37 PM  

d23: BeautifulOnes: Moreover, I'm not understanding how 'flyover' country would be forgotten.

He was just parroting an old "common sense" argument that, like many common sense arguments, doesn't hold water when you drill down into it.

The fact is that it would open up more strategies politically than we currently have.  You could have a rural strategy that goes after all the rural parts of the states and selective population centers to counter all the east and west coast dirty hippies, for example.


EXACTLY.
 
2018-01-03 03:43:13 PM  

Palined Parenthood: If he he didn't want to win, then why did his campaign break so many laws?


Sorry, I said "he" twice, but I don't like he.
 
2018-01-03 03:43:45 PM  

Palined Parenthood: If he he didn't want to win, then why did his campaign break so many laws?


Didn't no any better.  And, he's Trump- regular laws don't apply to him.
 
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