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(The Hill)   That "High wall of Separation" that Jefferson and Madison built? Apparently it's going to collapse during the next hurricane   ( thehill.com) divider line
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2018-01-03 10:34:19 AM  
If I understand conservatives ostensible object to illegal immigration, (the real one of course being the color of the immigrant's skin), it that these "illegals" use all manner of government services that they do no pay for with their tax dollars.

Aren't churches tax exempt?   Wouldn't giving them FEMA dollars amount to the same thing they claim to deplore?
 
2018-01-03 10:38:54 AM  

Magorn: If I understand conservatives ostensible object to illegal immigration, (the real one of course being the color of the immigrant's skin), it that these "illegals" use all manner of government services that they do no pay for with their tax dollars.

Aren't churches tax exempt?   Wouldn't giving them FEMA dollars amount to the same thing they claim to deplore?


Depends. What color is the skin of the the church members?
 
2018-01-03 10:39:33 AM  
Done in one.  Churches need to put some skin in the game if they want to get public aid.
 
2018-01-03 10:44:18 AM  
It's not an unexpected change.   There's court action that pretty much has determined that you can't put an entity like a church at a disadvantage just because they are a church.
 
2018-01-03 10:52:36 AM  
Meanwhile, half of Puerto Rico is still without power, you assholes!

 
2018-01-03 11:04:45 AM  
So, Representation without Taxation?
 
2018-01-03 11:06:39 AM  

snocone: So, Representation without Taxation?


Works for the 1%, of course the churches are going to want to get in on that action.
 
2018-01-03 11:12:59 AM  

Magorn: If I understand conservatives ostensible object to illegal immigration, (the real one of course being the color of the immigrant's skin), it that these "illegals" use all manner of government services that they do no pay for with their tax dollars.

Aren't churches tax exempt?   Wouldn't giving them FEMA dollars amount to the same thing they claim to deplore?


I think you're confusing racism and lawfulness.
There are a LOT of people who just want everyone to follow the rules.
The racist people abuse this, and that is where the problem is.
 
2018-01-03 11:17:21 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: snocone: So, Representation without Taxation?

Works for the 1%, of course the churches are going to want to get in on that action.


This is how the shiat starts.
 
2018-01-03 11:20:06 AM  
We're talking about disaster relief here, right?

I'm pretty much OK with the Federal government helping anybody who suffers a loss, whether they pay taxes or not, and regardless of which sky wizard or bundle of sticks and mud they bow down to.

It's a "humanitarian" thing.
 
2018-01-03 11:24:16 AM  
The Party of Personal ResponsibilityTM strikes again!
 
2018-01-03 11:24:32 AM  

MrBallou: We're talking about disaster relief here, right?

I'm pretty much OK with the Federal government helping anybody who suffers a loss, whether they pay taxes or not, and regardless of which sky wizard or bundle of sticks and mud they bow down to.

It's a "humanitarian" thing.


More of a complicitency thing with nice "humanitarian" drapes.
 
2018-01-03 11:26:57 AM  

MrBallou: We're talking about disaster relief here, right?

I'm pretty much OK with the Federal government helping anybody who suffers a loss, whether they pay taxes or not, and regardless of which sky wizard or bundle of sticks and mud they bow down to.

It's a "humanitarian" thing.


If a church preaches politics and suggests strongly who to vote for then they should pay taxes.
 
2018-01-03 11:33:37 AM  

Markoff_Cheney: MrBallou: We're talking about disaster relief here, right?

I'm pretty much OK with the Federal government helping anybody who suffers a loss, whether they pay taxes or not, and regardless of which sky wizard or bundle of sticks and mud they bow down to.

It's a "humanitarian" thing.

If a church preaches politics and suggests strongly who to vote for then they should pay taxes.


Yea and shooting people on Main Street should be criminal.
 
2018-01-03 11:45:02 AM  
I am as virulently anti-religion and pro-separation of church and state a person as you are likely to find, and I have zero problem with this whatsoever. The government being secular should mean that religious institutions are not given preferential treatment AND that they are not given lesser treatment.
 
2018-01-03 11:48:07 AM  

kronicfeld: I am as virulently anti-religion and pro-separation of church and state a person as you are likely to find, and I have zero problem with this whatsoever. The government being secular should mean that religious institutions are not given preferential treatment AND that they are not given lesser treatment.


It's not lesser treatment.  FEMA's disaster relief money is essentially a large insurance policy, people in KS who are likely never going to see a wildfire of a hurricane, use their tax money to help the people in Houston and California, and then when the Mississippi floods or a drought hits it is their turn to be helped.

It's not "lesser treatment" to deny life insurance benefits to someone who never bought a policy
 
2018-01-03 11:49:06 AM  
Why would they need help from FEMA? Can't they just ask Jeebus to magic up some aid?
 
2018-01-03 11:51:53 AM  

Magorn: It's not "lesser treatment" to deny life insurance benefits to someone who never bought a policy


Couldn't you say the same about all not-for-profit organisations, though? And if we're only going to give government funds back to people who pay federal income taxes, there's something like 47% of American households that would be left to drown...just saying.
 
2018-01-03 11:51:59 AM  
Isn't nice how churches - which are constant leaches on the economy - just keep wanting more?  Then, they claim religious discrimination when they don't get what they want.

It's almost as if religious folk are the most vile chunks of meat on the planet and that they are lying about the whole god thing.
 
2018-01-03 11:53:11 AM  

rosebud_the_sled: churches - which are constant leaches on the economy


In what respect, Charlie?
 
2018-01-03 11:55:55 AM  
Dear Church of Satan:

Please put some of your churches in high risk zones.

Thanks.
 
2018-01-03 12:00:11 PM  
There's going to be "aide" funds left in the budget?
 
2018-01-03 12:03:23 PM  
What's the non-profit policy currently?  I'm in favor of treating all non-profits the same - either they're all eligible or none of them are.
 
2018-01-03 12:03:48 PM  
You people living in shacks ought to know better than to live there. fark off and die.

Joel Osteen, a grateful nation thanks you for handing out sandwiches that one time. We want to replace your Superplex with a state-of-the-art Hypermegaplex.

The president very much appreciates you buying a condo at Grope Tower.
 
2018-01-03 12:05:06 PM  
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So when does this guy get his Federal Disaster Relief fraud money?
 
2018-01-03 12:06:48 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Done in one.  Churches need to put some skin in the game if they want to get public aid.


Persuant to post 2, do churches that have predominantly more melanin content in their parishioners skins, or in their accents, have a shot at that sweet, sweet taxpayer funding?
 
2018-01-03 12:06:48 PM  

rnatalie: It's not an unexpected change.   There's court action that pretty much has determined that you can't put an entity like a church at a disadvantage just because they are a church.


Well then its not fair for regular people to be put at a disadvantage by paying taxes just because we are rational thinkers.

Equality, that's all anyone wants here.  Pay your share you filthy grifters.
 
2018-01-03 12:10:11 PM  

Bill the unknowing: AdmirableSnackbar: Done in one.  Churches need to put some skin in the game if they want to get public aid.

Persuant to post 2, do churches that have predominantly more melanin content in their parishioners skins, or in their accents, have a shot at that sweet, sweet taxpayer funding?


Well, see they hold up a paper lunch bag and if you are lighter than the bag....
(very inside AME Zion joke)
 
2018-01-03 12:11:12 PM  
"Classic poverty dynamic, people clutch at anything. And if the choice is religion or revolution, the government is more than happy to stand back and let the priests get on with it."
Takeshi Kovacs, Woken Furies
 
2018-01-03 12:12:08 PM  

Shaggy_C: rosebud_the_sled: churches - which are constant leaches on the economy

In what respect, Charlie?


Joel Osteen and Jim Bakker are examples of negative contributors to society.
Tax free status on virtually all activities but still get the benefits of community services that are paid for by other people's taxes.  My money pays for their police protection.  They do not pay for any of that.
 
2018-01-03 12:12:26 PM  

Vaginosilicosis: rnatalie: It's not an unexpected change.   There's court action that pretty much has determined that you can't put an entity like a church at a disadvantage just because they are a church.

Well then its not fair for regular people to be put at a disadvantage by paying taxes just because we are rational thinkers.

Equality, that's all anyone wants here.  Pay your share you filthy grifters.


There's a balance to be had; the idea is if churches aren't taxed that they will provide more charity work.

So instead of making churches tax exempt, make them pay taxes but they get a tax credit for the value of their direct charity work. If your church would have paid $30k in taxes and you do at least $30k in charity work, or donate to the local children's hospital? No taxes.

Less than the 30k? Well, you're on the hook for the balance.
 
2018-01-03 12:16:42 PM  
"Churches will no longer be exempt from FEMA aid"

Don't worry, mosques, synagogues, Hindu/Sikh temples, and other "odd" religions will still be exempt! Isn't that what you wanted all along, Christians?
 
2018-01-03 12:18:58 PM  

rnatalie: It's not an unexpected change.   There's court action that pretty much has determined that you can't put an entity like a church at a disadvantage just because they are a church.


Then the ACLU needs to sue on behalf of all non-churches to remove the tax exempt status of churches since that effectively gives a disadvantage to non-churches.
 
2018-01-03 12:20:28 PM  

Shaggy_C: rosebud_the_sled: churches - which are constant leaches on the economy

In what respect, Charlie?


I wonder if there may be an actual causal relationship that can be identified between churches putting republicans in office and economic distress.
 
2018-01-03 12:23:31 PM  
Mosques and synagogues, too, I assume. LOL
 
2018-01-03 12:26:41 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: "Churches will no longer be exempt from FEMA aid"

Don't worry, mosques, synagogues, Hindu/Sikh temples, and other "odd" religions will still be exempt! Isn't that what you wanted all along, Christians?


National Church of Satan wants to get in on the action.
 
2018-01-03 12:32:27 PM  

rosebud_the_sled: Tax free status on virtually all activities but still get the benefits of community services that are paid for by other people's taxes.  My money pays for their police protection.  They do not pay for any of that.


But their personal income taxes, the taxes on their employees, and the taxes on the parishioners all do pay for those community services. You wouldn't argue that a nonreligious non-profit (or, for that matter, a terribly run for-profit business with losses on the year) does not 'pay for community services.' That's the same argument that Republicans bring up about poor people, as well, that because they don't pay federal income taxes that they are 'leeches' on the system.

If we were to count churches as for-profit entities, the only difference would be that they would be able to save extra funds from operations for future investment or, alternatively, pay it out in the form of bonuses and compensation to the owners, whereas today they must distribute all excess profits towards the non-profit aims laid out in their original charter.
 
2018-01-03 12:35:02 PM  
On one hand, the churches buy their own insurance with the money they don't pay in taxes.
OTOH, we (by which I mean secular society) do "borrow" churches (along with school buildings, and other large barn-shaped things.) for voting, aid distribution, concerts, and other sorts of public events.

I think splitting it would be fair. 60/40?
 
2018-01-03 12:35:35 PM  

rosebud_the_sled: Isn't nice how churches - which are constant leaches leeches on the economy - just keep wanting more?  Then, they claim religious discrimination when they don't get what they want.

It's almost as if religious folk are the most vile chunks of meat on the planet and that they are lying about the whole god thing.


/pet peave
 
2018-01-03 12:35:42 PM  

MrBallou: We're talking about disaster relief here, right?

I'm pretty much OK with the Federal government helping anybody who suffers a loss, whether they pay taxes or not, and regardless of which sky wizard or bundle of sticks and mud they bow down to.

It's a "humanitarian" thing.


That's my take as well.
 
2018-01-03 12:36:06 PM  

Markoff_Cheney: MrBallou: We're talking about disaster relief here, right?

I'm pretty much OK with the Federal government helping anybody who suffers a loss, whether they pay taxes or not, and regardless of which sky wizard or bundle of sticks and mud they bow down to.

It's a "humanitarian" thing.

If a church preaches politics and suggests strongly who to vote for then they should pay taxes.


This, too.
 
2018-01-03 12:37:12 PM  

Magorn: If I understand conservatives ostensible object to illegal immigration, (the real one of course being the color of the immigrant's skin), it that these "illegals" use all manner of government services that they do no pay for with their tax dollars.

Aren't churches tax exempt?   Wouldn't giving them FEMA dollars amount to the same thing they claim to deplore?


No silly, you don't get it. You see, those conservatives are members of those churches, so of course that's different.

Hey, they are already tax exempt (shouldn't be), and now they want tax dollars? No.
Go fark yourselves and your false idol.
 
2018-01-03 12:39:17 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: "Churches will no longer be exempt from FEMA aid"

Don't worry, mosques, synagogues, Hindu/Sikh temples, and other "odd" religions will still be exempt! Isn't that what you wanted all along, Christians?


Let them take it.
It will choke the life out of them.

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2018-01-03 12:41:30 PM  
So FEMA is now being directed to take over the Churches?

I'd have thought a republican administration would be more careful.  I mean telling the DEEP STATE that it is required to spread FAKE NEWS through the churches would be something that KILLARY would have done!

/Accepting aid requires complete title IX compliance including gay marrying a turtle.
//McConnell needs to get cracking on that polygamy legislation, otherwise someone will notice he's gay married to 5M baptists and that makes him a felon.
 
2018-01-03 12:52:57 PM  

FormlessOne: Meanwhile, half of Puerto Rico is still without power, you assholes!


So?  Being careful where we put money in what is probably the most corrupt place on earth is not a bad thing.
 
2018-01-03 12:53:29 PM  
It seems counterproductive since God's vengeance against gays is what causes hurricanes.
 
2018-01-03 12:54:36 PM  
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2018-01-03 12:55:06 PM  

dwrash: FormlessOne: Meanwhile, half of Puerto Rico is still without power, you assholes!

So?  Being careful where we put money in what is probably the most corrupt place on earth is not a bad thing.


They are American citizens.
 
2018-01-03 12:55:24 PM  

dwrash: FormlessOne: Meanwhile, half of Puerto Rico is still without power, you assholes!

So?  Being careful where we put money in what is probably the most corrupt place on earth is not a bad thing.


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2018-01-03 12:55:34 PM  
Because we just know that all that money that the churches receive will go toward disaster relief, and not the promotion of religion.  Right?
 
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