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(Guardian)   Eating ketchup may cause Crohn's disease, especially if you swallow the little foil packet whole   ( theguardian.com) divider line
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2018-01-03 05:09:49 AM  
You know, I make fun of British food an awful lot; but, if you can swallow a ketchup packet unnoticed while you eat, there are some fundamental flaws in your cuisine...
 
2018-01-03 05:19:24 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: You know, I make fun of British food an awful lot; but, if you can swallow a ketchup packet unnoticed while you eat, there are some fundamental flaws in your cuisine...


Meet my friend "alcohol".
 
2018-01-03 07:27:38 AM  

Slaxl: bigfatbuddhist: You know, I make fun of British food an awful lot; but, if you can swallow a ketchup packet unnoticed while you eat, there are some fundamental flaws in your cuisine...

Meet my friend "alcohol".


Hello sauceness my old friend.
 
2018-01-03 07:27:56 AM  
How did that not show up on some type of x-ray/MRI?
 
2018-01-03 07:30:35 AM  
I have Crohn's.  HOW ON EARTH can such a thing go for years without being spotted in a colonoscopy or an  MRI? I don't think there isn't a square mm of my colon the doctors haven't photographed and documented.

That's some fine doctorin' there, Lou.
 
2018-01-03 07:35:25 AM  
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2018-01-03 07:35:29 AM  
Thank god I switched to catsup this year.

Just remember kiddies:
The one on the left will give make you sick
the one on the right goes on hotdogs if yer a dick!
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2018-01-03 07:38:10 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: You know, I make fun of British food an awful lot; but, if you can swallow a ketchup packet unnoticed while you eat, there are some fundamental flaws in your cuisine...


I was thinking more of flaws in your eating technique
 
2018-01-03 07:38:53 AM  
Doctors said it was the first case of ingested plastic packaging mimicking the symptoms of Crohn's disease.

That they know of.  Usually when there's one, there's more.
 
2018-01-03 07:41:32 AM  

Fizpez: How did that not show up on some type of x-ray/MRI?


 It had to or they would not have known where to cut and look.
 
2018-01-03 07:42:32 AM  

Fizpez: How did that not show up on some type of x-ray/MRI?


It was two small pieces of plastic, not foil. Possibly a torn shred from opening the packet using their teeth, while hoggin' down a mouthful cheeseburger.
 
2018-01-03 07:43:30 AM  
I will have one sachet of kethup and a liter of cola.
 
2018-01-03 07:46:10 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: You know, I make fun of British food an awful lot; but, if you can swallow a ketchup packet unnoticed while you eat, there are some fundamental flaws in your cuisine...


The only way I can figure it, is she was "drinking" the fries from the bottom of the bag, and a packet got through
 
2018-01-03 07:58:41 AM  
Cats can also be a problem. A single one can give you Cat Scratch Disease (CSD).
If you have many, then you are also at risk of catching Crone's disease.
 
2018-01-03 08:01:01 AM  

This Face Left Blank: I have Crohn's.  HOW ON EARTH can such a thing go for years without being spotted in a colonoscopy or an  MRI? I don't think there isn't a square mm of my colon the doctors haven't photographed and documented.

That's some fine doctorin' there, Lou.


Same question I had.  Friend has Crohn's, and I swear the inside of her colon's been more thoroughly documented than any 29 'dick cam' anal specialty pron stars' innards.  How in the nine hells would they not see this?  Any diagnosis of Crohn's that wasn't made in the '80's or something involves hours of movies of your intestinal tract from both ends.

/who knew I'd get to use 'dick cam' in a serious post this morning?
//the wonders of Fark are manifold, and occaisonally disturbing
///possibly more than occaisonally
 
2018-01-03 08:12:20 AM  

suicidejocky: bigfatbuddhist: You know, I make fun of British food an awful lot; but, if you can swallow a ketchup packet unnoticed while you eat, there are some fundamental flaws in your cuisine...

I was thinking more of flaws in your eating technique


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2018-01-03 08:18:09 AM  

This Face Left Blank: I have Crohn's.  HOW ON EARTH can such a thing go for years without being spotted in a colonoscopy or an  MRI? I don't think there isn't a square mm of my colon the doctors haven't photographed and documented.

That's some fine doctorin' there, Lou.


Me too, and same.  I also work in radiology, and a foil packet should have shown up on an abdomen like a star from the foil (plus, holy shiat would that thing get uncomfortable during the scan).
 
2018-01-03 08:21:40 AM  

chitlenz: This Face Left Blank: I have Crohn's.  HOW ON EARTH can such a thing go for years without being spotted in a colonoscopy or an  MRI? I don't think there isn't a square mm of my colon the doctors haven't photographed and documented.

That's some fine doctorin' there, Lou.

Me too, and same.  I also work in radiology, and a foil packet should have shown up on an abdomen like a star from the foil (plus, holy shiat would that thing get uncomfortable during the scan).


Nevermind, FTA .. plastic, still it should have presented as a solid mass if they had even bothered.
 
2018-01-03 08:22:38 AM  
Ketchup is for kids, you're a grown up, eat better food.
 
2018-01-03 08:23:36 AM  
...keyhole surgery found an inflamed mass in the small intestine, revealing two pieces of plastic packaging bearing the Heinz branding.

Nice reading comprehension, subby...article doesn't say how big they were, but it's entirely possible that the plastic bits were a contaminant in the woman's food that she had nothing at all to do with; but yeah, "biatches be eatin' packets, yo!"...at least this happened in England so you weren't forced to try shoehorning some "Trump voter" horseshiat in there too...
 
2018-01-03 08:26:42 AM  
The doctors said they were sorry they didn't catch it earlier. When criticized for this, they reportedly said, "Well, Heinz-sight is 20/20."
 
2018-01-03 08:28:14 AM  

MadMonk: I will have one sachet of kethup and a liter of cola.


I think you mean "Heinz Sauce".
 
2018-01-03 08:29:32 AM  

Resident Muslim: Cats can also be a problem. A single one can give you Cat Scratch Disease (CSD).
If you have many, then you are also at risk of catching Crone's disease.


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2018-01-03 08:30:12 AM  
6 years with a pierced intestine?

Fake story is fake
 
2018-01-03 08:30:32 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Ketchup is for kids, you're a grown up, eat better food.


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2018-01-03 08:34:32 AM  

chitlenz: This Face Left Blank: I have Crohn's.  HOW ON EARTH can such a thing go for years without being spotted in a colonoscopy or an  MRI? I don't think there isn't a square mm of my colon the doctors haven't photographed and documented.

That's some fine doctorin' there, Lou.

Me too, and same.  I also work in radiology, and a foil packet should have shown up on an abdomen like a star from the foil (plus, holy shiat would that thing get uncomfortable during the scan).


It was plastic, not foil.  And if it was foil, the kind of scan would be a major determinant in what happened to her:
CT: nothing symptomatic, but the metal artefact would light up on the images like the proverbial Christmas tree; or
MRI: depends on whether the packet is ferromagnetic.  If it isn't, you'd probably see the two pieces mentioned in the article, assuming you had good enough resolution and they weren't obscured by other structures.  However, some non-ferromagnetic metal can cause signal distortions and/or heat up, so you might get weird images and/or tissue burns.  If it was ferromagnetic, however, you'd have the small magnets align with the local magnetic field and then move towards the big magnet... a little more than "uncomfortable."
 
2018-01-03 08:35:55 AM  

This Face Left Blank: I have Crohn's.  HOW ON EARTH can such a thing go for years without being spotted in a colonoscopy or an  MRI? I don't think there isn't a square mm of my colon the doctors haven't photographed and documented.

That's some fine doctorin' there, Lou.


I can't repeat this one enough.
 
2018-01-03 08:44:17 AM  
If your doctor prescribes you Ketchup, please only use Ketchup as directed.  Some patitents using ketchup reported symptoms including Crohn's Disease, Chronic Obesity, and effusive geysers of blood-like condiments gushing from their ocular and oral cavities...
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if effusive geysers of blood-like condiments gush from your ocular and oral cavities for more than four hours, please notify your doctor immediately.
 
2018-01-03 08:48:36 AM  

Loaf's Tray: Resident Muslim: Cats can also be a problem. A single one can give you Cat Scratch Disease (CSD).
If you have many, then you are also at risk of catching Crone's disease.

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AKA Ted Nugent's disease.
 
2018-01-03 08:52:04 AM  
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2018-01-03 09:34:46 AM  

Koldbern: suicidejocky: bigfatbuddhist: You know, I make fun of British food an awful lot; but, if you can swallow a ketchup packet unnoticed while you eat, there are some fundamental flaws in your cuisine...

I was thinking more of flaws in your eating technique

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Man, I'm so hungry I could eat a horse.

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2018-01-03 09:46:39 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Koldbern: suicidejocky: bigfatbuddhist: You know, I make fun of British food an awful lot; but, if you can swallow a ketchup packet unnoticed while you eat, there are some fundamental flaws in your cuisine...

I was thinking more of flaws in your eating technique

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Man, I'm so hungry I could eat a horse.

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And still have room for Pie
 
2018-01-03 09:54:10 AM  

This Face Left Blank: I have Crohn's.  HOW ON EARTH can such a thing go for years without being spotted in a colonoscopy or an  MRI? I don't think there isn't a square mm of my colon the doctors haven't photographed and documented.

That's some fine doctorin' there, Lou.


It was in the small intestine. There are 5 types of Crohn's disease, in various parts of the digestive tract.
 
2018-01-03 10:05:21 AM  

Resident Muslim: Cats can also be a problem. A single one can give you Cat Scratch Disease (CSD).
If you have many, then you are also at risk of catching Crone's disease.


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2018-01-03 10:08:14 AM  
Who knew vegetables are bad for you?
 
2018-01-03 10:22:53 AM  

This Face Left Blank: I have Crohn's.  HOW ON EARTH can such a thing go for years without being spotted in a colonoscopy or an  MRI? I don't think there isn't a square mm of my colon the doctors haven't photographed and documented.

That's some fine doctorin' there, Lou.


Unless you've had a barium enema, I doubt that all of your innards have been examined.

Ah, barium enema. Thy very name is like a  bell soiling me black on the back shelf.
 
2018-01-03 10:42:53 AM  

yakmans_dad: This Face Left Blank: I have Crohn's.  HOW ON EARTH can such a thing go for years without being spotted in a colonoscopy or an  MRI? I don't think there isn't a square mm of my colon the doctors haven't photographed and documented.

That's some fine doctorin' there, Lou.

Unless you've had a barium enema, I doubt that all of your innards have been examined.

Ah, barium enema. Thy very name is like a  bell soiling me black on the back shelf.


Yep.
CT scan and barium a couple months ago. Luckily the problem turned out to be simple.
 
2018-01-03 10:45:48 AM  
They may never ketchup to American medicine.
 
2018-01-03 10:52:13 AM  

lindalouwho: This Face Left Blank: I have Crohn's.  HOW ON EARTH can such a thing go for years without being spotted in a colonoscopy or an  MRI? I don't think there isn't a square mm of my colon the doctors haven't photographed and documented.

That's some fine doctorin' there, Lou.

It was in the small intestine. There are 5 types of Crohn's disease, in various parts of the digestive tract.


Yup. Standard endoscopy from the top will get to about a foot past the stomach from above and a few inches into the small intestine from below. This was found in the twenty-odd feet of small intestine that you can't get to with normal endoscopy/colonoscopy.

The plastic fragments sound like they worked their way into the bowel wall creating a big inflammatory mass. Good luck identifying a small, non-ferrous foreign body in that mess.

This does remind me of a case report about a woman who presented for chronic abdominal pain and was found to have swallowed a fork at some point. She too had no recollection of doing this.
 
2018-01-03 10:58:30 AM  
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2018-01-03 11:28:09 AM  

Resident Muslim: Cats can also be a problem. A single one can give you Cat Scratch Disease (CSD).
If you have many, then you are also at risk of catching Crone's disease.


Only if they're in your colon.
 
2018-01-03 11:42:11 AM  

This Face Left Blank: I have Crohn's.  HOW ON EARTH can such a thing go for years without being spotted in a colonoscopy or an  MRI? I don't think there isn't a square mm of my colon the doctors haven't photographed and documented.

That's some fine doctorin' there, Lou.


Socialized medicine...patient is six years into the eleven year waiting list for an MRI.

/or so I was told by a chain email my great aunt forwarded a few years ago
 
2018-01-03 11:50:44 AM  

lindalouwho: yakmans_dad: This Face Left Blank: I have Crohn's.  HOW ON EARTH can such a thing go for years without being spotted in a colonoscopy or an  MRI? I don't think there isn't a square mm of my colon the doctors haven't photographed and documented.

That's some fine doctorin' there, Lou.

Unless you've had a barium enema, I doubt that all of your innards have been examined.

Ah, barium enema. Thy very name is like a  bell soiling me black on the back shelf.

Yep.
CT scan and barium a couple months ago. Luckily the problem turned out to be simple.


Something that's been worrying me - say you drink the barium milkshake for a scan, is it possible that a little bit of it gets "stuck" and causes chronic problems later?
 
2018-01-03 12:02:58 PM  
I hear the natural mellowing agents of Ketchup can make you want to grab some sweet, sweet booty.
 
2018-01-03 01:38:40 PM  

RedVentrue: Resident Muslim: Cats can also be a problem. A single one can give you Cat Scratch Disease (CSD).
If you have many, then you are also at risk of catching Crone's disease.

Only if they're in your colon.


Look, what people do in their own homes with consenting cats is none of my business.

/also, you missed the joke
 
2018-01-03 02:43:57 PM  

yakmans_dad: This Face Left Blank: I have Crohn's.  HOW ON EARTH can such a thing go for years without being spotted in a colonoscopy or an  MRI? I don't think there isn't a square mm of my colon the doctors haven't photographed and documented.

That's some fine doctorin' there, Lou.

Unless you've had a barium enema, I doubt that all of your innards have been examined.

Ah, barium enema. Thy very name is like a  bell soiling me black on the back shelf.


Barium enemas have the (un?)fortunate side effect of making you poop like a bird. After one of those, or the small bowel follow through, also with barium, I have an urge to climb on the hood of the radiologists' cars and make them believe in pterodactyls.
/Crohn's sucks
//you can quote me.
///third slash for the 30 inches of lost intestines
 
2018-01-03 03:10:05 PM  

itcamefromschenectady: lindalouwho: yakmans_dad: This Face Left Blank: I have Crohn's.  HOW ON EARTH can such a thing go for years without being spotted in a colonoscopy or an  MRI? I don't think there isn't a square mm of my colon the doctors haven't photographed and documented.

That's some fine doctorin' there, Lou.

Unless you've had a barium enema, I doubt that all of your innards have been examined.

Ah, barium enema. Thy very name is like a  bell soiling me black on the back shelf.

Yep.
CT scan and barium a couple months ago. Luckily the problem turned out to be simple.

Something that's been worrying me - say you drink the barium milkshake for a scan, is it possible that a little bit of it gets "stuck" and causes chronic problems later?


You haven't had a barium enema, I see.

I suppose a couple of molecules could stick around but anyone who has endured that indignity - when 10 ft looks like as many miles - will not worry about barium being retained.

Who put the bop in the bop shoo wop?
 
2018-01-03 03:51:37 PM  

yakmans_dad: itcamefromschenectady: lindalouwho: yakmans_dad: This Face Left Blank: I have Crohn's.  HOW ON EARTH can such a thing go for years without being spotted in a colonoscopy or an  MRI? I don't think there isn't a square mm of my colon the doctors haven't photographed and documented.

That's some fine doctorin' there, Lou.

Unless you've had a barium enema, I doubt that all of your innards have been examined.

Ah, barium enema. Thy very name is like a  bell soiling me black on the back shelf.

Yep.
CT scan and barium a couple months ago. Luckily the problem turned out to be simple.

Something that's been worrying me - say you drink the barium milkshake for a scan, is it possible that a little bit of it gets "stuck" and causes chronic problems later?

You haven't had a barium enema, I see.

I suppose a couple of molecules could stick around but anyone who has endured that indignity - when 10 ft looks like as many miles - will not worry about barium being retained.

Who put the bop in the bop shoo wop?


They're talking about when you have to drink it (I've done both), but your answer is still somewhat correct ;)
 
2018-01-03 04:44:31 PM  

lindalouwho: yakmans_dad: itcamefromschenectady: lindalouwho: yakmans_dad: This Face Left Blank: I have Crohn's.  HOW ON EARTH can such a thing go for years without being spotted in a colonoscopy or an  MRI? I don't think there isn't a square mm of my colon the doctors haven't photographed and documented.

That's some fine doctorin' there, Lou.

Unless you've had a barium enema, I doubt that all of your innards have been examined.

Ah, barium enema. Thy very name is like a  bell soiling me black on the back shelf.

Yep.
CT scan and barium a couple months ago. Luckily the problem turned out to be simple.

Something that's been worrying me - say you drink the barium milkshake for a scan, is it possible that a little bit of it gets "stuck" and causes chronic problems later?

You haven't had a barium enema, I see.

I suppose a couple of molecules could stick around but anyone who has endured that indignity - when 10 ft looks like as many miles - will not worry about barium being retained.

Who put the bop in the bop shoo wop?

They're talking about when you have to drink it (I've done both), but your answer is still somewhat correct ;)


It took 10 years for me to get the correct diagnosis about my Crohn's. (One of the first diagnosticians wrote it on the back of my file and neglected to communicate it to my doctors. 10 years! )  I went through the Barium Squeeze twice.  It didn't get easier with practice.
 
2018-01-03 07:44:21 PM  

yakmans_dad: lindalouwho: yakmans_dad: itcamefromschenectady: lindalouwho: yakmans_dad: This Face Left Blank: I have Crohn's.  HOW ON EARTH can such a thing go for years without being spotted in a colonoscopy or an  MRI? I don't think there isn't a square mm of my colon the doctors haven't photographed and documented.

That's some fine doctorin' there, Lou.

Unless you've had a barium enema, I doubt that all of your innards have been examined.

Ah, barium enema. Thy very name is like a  bell soiling me black on the back shelf.

Yep.
CT scan and barium a couple months ago. Luckily the problem turned out to be simple.

Something that's been worrying me - say you drink the barium milkshake for a scan, is it possible that a little bit of it gets "stuck" and causes chronic problems later?

You haven't had a barium enema, I see.

I suppose a couple of molecules could stick around but anyone who has endured that indignity - when 10 ft looks like as many miles - will not worry about barium being retained.

Who put the bop in the bop shoo wop?

They're talking about when you have to drink it (I've done both), but your answer is still somewhat correct ;)

It took 10 years for me to get the correct diagnosis about my Crohn's. (One of the first diagnosticians wrote it on the back of my file and neglected to communicate it to my doctors. 10 years! )  I went through the Barium Squeeze twice.  It didn't get easier with practice.


Sign up for your mmj medical card yet?

Colon out 6 years ago, and the variety of symptoms I've had in the past year put Crohn's on the radar. Process of elimination and guess work found 2 medications, newly developed food allergies, and my pancreas not making enough creon  were to blame. Change of meds (and adding creon) and 2 allergy meds cleared things up. Waiting for an appointment to get allergy tested so I can drop or drop down use of, whatever foods are the culprits.
My gastro guy is a goddamn genius, you know yourself how tough it is diagnosing digestive issues. Some foods were actually (tmi) burning my butt on the way out. Crazy.
 
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