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(ESPN)   Even though they're hiring Jon Gruden, the Raiders are totally going to waste some minority coach's time with an interview by pretending to comply with the Rooney Rule   ( espn.com) divider line
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2018-01-03 12:17:38 AM  
 
2018-01-03 07:08:25 AM  

Dr.Fey: This is probably a better article


That article lost me at "wildly popular analyst".

Anyway, even if the hire is a foregone conclusion, the interview process is still worth going through. It's like when you apply for a job you know you probably don't want but you want to practice your interviews do you're solid for the job you do want.

Also, being interviewed for a head coaching job indicates to others that someone thinks you might be ready, which puts you on the list of people to interview in the future.

Last, you might have a really spectacular interview and make them pick you anyway, like Mike Tomlin did. He wasn't anywhere near the top of anyone's list and his hiring was a surprise. He's worked out pretty well so far, I think.
 
2018-01-03 07:09:49 AM  
Its not a waste of time.  It's good experience for when an open minded front office is looking.
 
2018-01-03 07:27:51 AM  
That's what the rule is for
 
2018-01-03 07:41:25 AM  
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First person who can sit through an interview with out laughing out loud at Mark Davis' haircut gets the job.
 
2018-01-03 07:52:55 AM  
That rule is really pointless.  It was dreamt up by a self hating white guy, to make himself feel better, while making his living out of having African Americans bludgeon themselves for his enrichment.

"It's okay, see I think of them as people!  I even require we interview one of them for the coaching position!"
 
2018-01-03 07:54:40 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Dr.Fey: This is probably a better article

That article lost me at "wildly popular analyst".

Anyway, even if the hire is a foregone conclusion, the interview process is still worth going through. It's like when you apply for a job you know you probably don't want but you want to practice your interviews do you're solid for the job you do want.

Also, being interviewed for a head coaching job indicates to others that someone thinks you might be ready, which puts you on the list of people to interview in the future.

Last, you might have a really spectacular interview and make them pick you anyway, like Mike Tomlin did. He wasn't anywhere near the top of anyone's list and his hiring was a surprise. He's worked out pretty well so far, I think.


Seems like the interview process is a sham and not worth it all for the token minority.

They know they're going to hire Gruden. Why waste time interviewing just so the Raiders can look racially sensitive?

Your suggestions are specious. Anyone who's interviewing for a head coaching job in the NFL doesn't need to practice interviews, they're not college freshmen. They're professionals with a lifetime in that business, practice interviews are a waste of time.

It's also silly to think an interview for a HC job you're not even in the running for somehow makes you more attractive to other teams. No one has ever hired a coach because he had an interview with another team. Especially a sham interview that's only being conducted to make it look like teams are trying to hire minorities.

Tomlin has worked out great. Tomlin was also not a sham interview after the team had already picked a coach. It wasn't like the Steelers had already decided to hire Gruden and Tomlin changed their mind. Tomlin earned the job. Just like anyone else should have to, and not be forced to give sham interviews for jobs they aren't going to get.

Which is why the Rooney rule is stupid. These are private businesses that should be able to hire whoever they want. And if they decide to hire a white guy, it's condescending and racist to force them to parade a bunch of minority candidates through the team facility when there's no shot of them getting the job.
 
2018-01-03 08:02:09 AM  

12349876: Its not a waste of time.  It's good experience for when an open minded front office is looking.


Came here to say this. No interview is a waste of time for the interviewee. It's valuable experience that can be applied at the next interview.

/and the next
//etc.
 
2018-01-03 08:10:47 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Dr.Fey: This is probably a better article

That article lost me at "wildly popular analyst".

Anyway, even if the hire is a foregone conclusion, the interview process is still worth going through. It's like when you apply for a job you know you probably don't want but you want to practice your interviews do you're solid for the job you do want.

Also, being interviewed for a head coaching job indicates to others that someone thinks you might be ready, which puts you on the list of people to interview in the future.

Last, you might have a really spectacular interview and make them pick you anyway, like Mike Tomlin did. He wasn't anywhere near the top of anyone's list and his hiring was a surprise. He's worked out pretty well so far, I think.


This.  No interviews are a waste of time.
 
2018-01-03 08:45:03 AM  

Mr_Fabulous: 12349876: Its not a waste of time.  It's good experience for when an open minded front office is looking.

Came here to say this. No interview is a waste of time for the interviewee. It's valuable experience that can be applied at the next interview.

/and the next
//etc.


He'll be very experienced with fake interviews for a job he can never get.

Are you kidding with this shiat?
 
2018-01-03 08:54:35 AM  
They're not "pretending to comply" Subby, they're following the rule. It says you have to interview a minority candidate. It doesn't say anything about the interview being serious, or the guy having a fair shot at getting the job.
 
2018-01-03 08:58:38 AM  
yes valuable experience for the next time a minority coach needs to be called in for a sham interview so the good old boys coaching carousel of failure never has to stop spinning
 
2018-01-03 09:03:12 AM  

ElwoodCuse: yes valuable experience for the next time a minority coach needs to be called in for a sham interview so the good old boys coaching carousel of failure never has to stop spinning


You say that like there have never been sh*tty black head coaches.

/Are who we thought they were.
 
2018-01-03 09:18:08 AM  
Denny Green wasn't a good coach so we can give up trying to hire black guys? what the hell are you talking about
 
2018-01-03 09:18:42 AM  
So I used to work for a pretty large company.  Whenever there was an opening they would interview in house first as a rule then look outside.  The rule was they had to interview atleast 3 people for each position regardless.

So there was an opening for Director of one of the Engineered Marketing Groups.  Well it was the position that was directly above me that I had basically been doing for a couple years.  Everyone knew I was just going to change job titles...they still had to interview two other people.

So one of them was my buddy who worked for me and was going to just move up to my spot.  I asked him about the interview.  They sat in there and talked about the Baltimore Ravens for 45 minutes.

The same thing happened when I got my first position in the company.  Stupid rule that all department heads had to interview you.  After about the third of six department heads they all just wanted to talk about football, fishing, golf, anything but interview me.  One of them even said that he had already gotten an email that I was going to be offered the job at the end of the day.

In short, it's stupid to arbitrarily waste people's time for some stupid HR rule
 
2018-01-03 09:19:19 AM  

ElwoodCuse: Denny Green wasn't a good coach so we can give up trying to hire black guys? what the hell are you talking about


yes, that is exactly what he is saying.  Don't hire black coaches...
 
2018-01-03 09:30:06 AM  

js34603: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Dr.Fey: This is probably a better article

That article lost me at "wildly popular analyst".

Anyway, even if the hire is a foregone conclusion, the interview process is still worth going through. It's like when you apply for a job you know you probably don't want but you want to practice your interviews do you're solid for the job you do want.

Also, being interviewed for a head coaching job indicates to others that someone thinks you might be ready, which puts you on the list of people to interview in the future.

Last, you might have a really spectacular interview and make them pick you anyway, like Mike Tomlin did. He wasn't anywhere near the top of anyone's list and his hiring was a surprise. He's worked out pretty well so far, I think.

Seems like the interview process is a sham and not worth it all for the token minority.

They know they're going to hire Gruden. Why waste time interviewing just so the Raiders can look racially sensitive?

Your suggestions are specious. Anyone who's interviewing for a head coaching job in the NFL doesn't need to practice interviews, they're not college freshmen. They're professionals with a lifetime in that business, practice interviews are a waste of time.

It's also silly to think an interview for a HC job you're not even in the running for somehow makes you more attractive to other teams. No one has ever hired a coach because he had an interview with another team. Especially a sham interview that's only being conducted to make it look like teams are trying to hire minorities.

Tomlin has worked out great. Tomlin was also not a sham interview after the team had already picked a coach. It wasn't like the Steelers had already decided to hire Gruden and Tomlin changed their mind. Tomlin earned the job. Just like anyone else should have to, and not be forced to give sham interviews for jobs they aren't going to get.

Which is why the Rooney rule is stupid. These are private businesses that should be able to hire whoever they want. And if they decide to hire a white guy, it's condescending and racist to force them to parade a bunch of minority candidates through the team facility when there's no shot of them getting the job.


They would not have interviewed Tomlin without the rule.  Sucks, but it is a fact.  Also, the owners are not being forced to do this.  The owners made the requirement.
 
2018-01-03 09:35:17 AM  

biggamehickman: That rule is really pointless.  It was dreamt up by a self hating white guy, to make himself feel better, while making his living out of having African Americans bludgeon themselves for his enrichment.

"It's okay, see I think of them as people!  I even require we interview one of them for the coaching position!"


...so you'd rather they not even consider minorities for coaching positions?
 
2018-01-03 09:35:57 AM  

advex101: js34603: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Dr.Fey: This is probably a better article

That article lost me at "wildly popular analyst".

Anyway, even if the hire is a foregone conclusion, the interview process is still worth going through. It's like when you apply for a job you know you probably don't want but you want to practice your interviews do you're solid for the job you do want.

Also, being interviewed for a head coaching job indicates to others that someone thinks you might be ready, which puts you on the list of people to interview in the future.

Last, you might have a really spectacular interview and make them pick you anyway, like Mike Tomlin did. He wasn't anywhere near the top of anyone's list and his hiring was a surprise. He's worked out pretty well so far, I think.

Seems like the interview process is a sham and not worth it all for the token minority.

They know they're going to hire Gruden. Why waste time interviewing just so the Raiders can look racially sensitive?

Your suggestions are specious. Anyone who's interviewing for a head coaching job in the NFL doesn't need to practice interviews, they're not college freshmen. They're professionals with a lifetime in that business, practice interviews are a waste of time.

It's also silly to think an interview for a HC job you're not even in the running for somehow makes you more attractive to other teams. No one has ever hired a coach because he had an interview with another team. Especially a sham interview that's only being conducted to make it look like teams are trying to hire minorities.

Tomlin has worked out great. Tomlin was also not a sham interview after the team had already picked a coach. It wasn't like the Steelers had already decided to hire Gruden and Tomlin changed their mind. Tomlin earned the job. Just like anyone else should have to, and not be forced to give sham interviews for jobs they aren't going to get.

Which is why the Rooney rule is stupid. These are private businesses that should be able to hire whoever they want. And if they decide to hire a white guy, it's condescending and racist to force them to parade a bunch of minority candidates through the team facility when there's no shot of them getting the job.

They would not have interviewed Tomlin without the rule.  Sucks, but it is a fact.  Also, the owners are not being forced to do this.  The owners made the requirement.


The owners made the rule to avoid litigation with the union, and due to noise from the feds about equal opportunity.
  The rooney rule was not some progressive policy they came up with on their own.
  It was shoved down their throats.
 
2018-01-03 09:37:39 AM  

mandyer: ElwoodCuse: yes valuable experience for the next time a minority coach needs to be called in for a sham interview so the good old boys coaching carousel of failure never has to stop spinning

You say that like there have never been sh*tty black head coaches.

/Are who we thought they were.


Nah, he says that like someone who remembers when the shiatty black head coaches weren't even given the opportunity to interview for the jobs the shiatty white head coaches kept getting.
 
2018-01-03 09:39:36 AM  
shiat like this is why I'm so happy I abandoned the Raiders a couple of years ago(for having the audacity to even consider working with Sheldon Adelson on their move to Vegas.).  You shake hands with the Devil and I want nothing to do with you).

Gruden was NOT a great coach.  He won a single SB, with a team that was already probably a favorite to win the conference if he came on board or not.  Then, in that SB, he played his former team, coached by a friend of his, who threw the game over a mutual hatred of Al Davis.

THEN there's Gruden's refusal to take chances, and horrible play calling.  I refer you to the snow bowl, where on 4th and inches in the last 2 minutes/overtime, he calls a dive, that everybody knew was coming, especially the Pats defense, that of COURSE gets stuffed for a loss.  I have an idea!  How about instead of the obvious play that has zero chance of working, you call a play-action rollout with your MVP QB, and throw a short pass to one of your two future HOF wide receivers.?!?!?  Naw, that would require a modicum of balls, which Gruden has proven he doesn't have...
 
2018-01-03 09:58:35 AM  
It's pretty impressive how many people are actively outraged about the Rooney rule.
 
2018-01-03 10:13:54 AM  

Tarl3k: shiat like this is why I'm so happy I abandoned the Raiders a couple of years ago(for having the audacity to even consider working with Sheldon Adelson on their move to Vegas.).  You shake hands with the Devil and I want nothing to do with you).

Gruden was NOT a great coach.  He won a single SB, with a team that was already probably a favorite to win the conference if he came on board or not.  Then, in that SB, he played his former team, coached by a friend of his, who threw the game over a mutual hatred of Al Davis.

THEN there's Gruden's refusal to take chances, and horrible play calling.  I refer you to the snow bowl, where on 4th and inches in the last 2 minutes/overtime, he calls a dive, that everybody knew was coming, especially the Pats defense, that of COURSE gets stuffed for a loss.  I have an idea!  How about instead of the obvious play that has zero chance of working, you call a play-action rollout with your MVP QB, and throw a short pass to one of your two future HOF wide receivers.?!?!?  Naw, that would require a modicum of balls, which Gruden has proven he doesn't have...


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2018-01-03 10:16:03 AM  
The Rooney Rule is a bad implementation of very good intentions.

In most industries, the highest positions - C-suite executives, chief engineers, managing partners, etc - require 30+ years of work after college to achieve.  But you didn't have high minority participation coming out of college in the 1980s to have a strong pool today.  It takes decades to catch up.  That's not true in professional football.  The track upwards through the coaching and managerial roles in high school and college is unbalanced, and it shows most at the "peak" - NFL positions.

The Rooney Rule is a simple-minded catch-all to a multilayered problem.  That's why it fails.
 
2018-01-03 10:41:30 AM  

Muzzleloader: The rooney rule was not some progressive policy they came up with on their own.
  It was shoved down their throats.


What's up with conservatives always saying that either gay guys or black guys are shoving things down their throats?
 
2018-01-03 10:56:16 AM  
Forced diversity is not diversity and never will be.
 
2018-01-03 11:06:41 AM  

js34603: It's also silly to think an interview for a HC job you're not even in the running for somehow makes you more attractive to other teams. No one has ever hired a coach because he had an interview with another team.


Not exactly. Remember, this is the NFL, not a normal company. Everyone knows someone else from each team, especially in management. If a coach nails an interview, even if they are not going to get hired, it will get to the other teams.  For example, Sean McDermott nailed an interview with the Bucs even though they knew they were hiring Koetter. It made him a more sought after candidate the next year, which is one of the reasons he is in Buffalo now.
 
2018-01-03 11:11:50 AM  

Dafatone: It's pretty impressive how many people are actively outraged about the Rooney rule.

A sign of the times, it seems.
 
2018-01-03 11:27:24 AM  

ShadowLAnCeR: Forced diversity is not diversity and never will be.


Works fine in corporations.  When 90% of the population is ok with a diverse environment, but a small group with power is highly biased, forcing meaningful rules can be very helpful.  Especially to the group that can't get a job, get housing, be served food in a restaurant, etc.  Telling racist dickbags they can't do business if they don't comply with basic human decency goes a long way.

Businesses work in the public trust, and function with the help of publicly funded infrastructure.  They don't get to cut out entire sections of the tax-paying population just because they feel like it.  That's why things like the Civil Rights Act exist, and have done a lot to start creating reasonable outcomes.
 
2018-01-03 11:36:29 AM  

js34603: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Dr.Fey: This is probably a better article

That article lost me at "wildly popular analyst".

Anyway, even if the hire is a foregone conclusion, the interview process is still worth going through. It's like when you apply for a job you know you probably don't want but you want to practice your interviews do you're solid for the job you do want.

Also, being interviewed for a head coaching job indicates to others that someone thinks you might be ready, which puts you on the list of people to interview in the future.

Last, you might have a really spectacular interview and make them pick you anyway, like Mike Tomlin did. He wasn't anywhere near the top of anyone's list and his hiring was a surprise. He's worked out pretty well so far, I think.

Seems like the interview process is a sham and not worth it all for the token minority.

They know they're going to hire Gruden. Why waste time interviewing just so the Raiders can look racially sensitive?

Your suggestions are specious. Anyone who's interviewing for a head coaching job in the NFL doesn't need to practice interviews, they're not college freshmen. They're professionals with a lifetime in that business, practice interviews are a waste of time.

It's also silly to think an interview for a HC job you're not even in the running for somehow makes you more attractive to other teams. No one has ever hired a coach because he had an interview with another team. Especially a sham interview that's only being conducted to make it look like teams are trying to hire minorities.

Tomlin has worked out great. Tomlin was also not a sham interview after the team had already picked a coach. It wasn't like the Steelers had already decided to hire Gruden and Tomlin changed their mind. Tomlin earned the job. Just like anyone else should have to, and not be forced to give sham interviews for jobs they aren't going to get.

Which is why the Rooney rule is stupid. These are private businesses that should be able to ...


NFL teams aren't just any random business. Hiring a head coach is more like a large business looking to fill a C-suite position. Those guys operate under a completely different set of rules than the rest of us do.  The pools of candidates are small and everyone knows everyone. It's a tight network and nothing stays secret for long. If teams were giving out perfunctory sham interviews to people with no chance to get the job, that would very quickly spread throughout the league and then become public information; worse, people subjected to such interviews are likely to find work elsewhere in the league and cause some problems for any team that gave such an interview.

It's a given that people will be interviewed with no intent to hire, but your assertion that only a sham interview is offered does not logically follow. Maybe you and I aren't important enough to justify a real interview with a business that isn't bringing us on, but it doesn't work that way at the level we're talking about here.
 
2018-01-03 11:45:55 AM  
I'm a state employee with veteran status. If five or more veterans apply for a particular position the state has to interview at least five of their choosing. Typically that threshold is not meant, which means that I've been on more pointless interviews than I can name. It kind of sucks, sure, but I've also learned from them. Most recently I had an informal interview with Economic Development within which I learned a lot about their social media strategy and what they hoped to gain with the hire. I met some folks there and I networked. It's not the worst thing in the world.
 
2018-01-03 12:22:41 PM  

Khellendros: ShadowLAnCeR: Forced diversity is not diversity and never will be.

Works fine in corporations.  When 90% of the population is ok with a diverse environment, but a small group with power is highly biased, forcing meaningful rules can be very helpful.  Especially to the group that can't get a job, get housing, be served food in a restaurant, etc.  Telling racist dickbags they can't do business if they don't comply with basic human decency goes a long way.

Businesses work in the public trust, and function with the help of publicly funded infrastructure.  They don't get to cut out entire sections of the tax-paying population just because they feel like it.  That's why things like the Civil Rights Act exist, and have done a lot to start creating reasonable outcomes.


This. The Rooney rule started when it was noticed that the NFL has barely any African-American coaches while churning out tons of African-American former players and seeing the collegiate and high school level also filling with minority coaches. I think Rooney (and possibly Mara) asked around and learned minorities were not even getting asked to interview. Thus the rule was born. It at least opened the door and has lead to a significant change in the league's coaching staff, which then trickles up through the whole front office.
 
2018-01-03 12:31:45 PM  

greentea1985: It at least opened the door and has lead to a significant change in the league's coaching staff, which then trickles up through the whole front office.


Pretty much.  Even in situations like this, "token interview candidate" gets to make an impression on some front office execs, who possibly pass that info to other execs in the league or even use it when they move to a different organization, which ultimately opens up doors to the candidate down the road.  It's not a perfect system by any means, but I really can't see any harm it's doing.
 
2018-01-03 12:37:43 PM  

IlGreven: mandyer: ElwoodCuse: yes valuable experience for the next time a minority coach needs to be called in for a sham interview so the good old boys coaching carousel of failure never has to stop spinning

You say that like there have never been sh*tty black head coaches.

/Are who we thought they were.

Nah, he says that like someone who remembers when the shiatty black head coaches weren't even given the opportunity to interview for the jobs the shiatty white head coaches kept getting.


I say that like somebody who's a fan of a team with a pretty goddamn good Hispanic head coach.  Seriously- the rule is bullshiat.  I genuinely don't care if the f*cker's purple.  Just win baby.


ShadowLAnCeR: Forced diversity is not diversity and never will be.


BINGO.
 
2018-01-03 01:22:15 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: So I used to work for a pretty large company.  Whenever there was an opening they would interview in house first as a rule then look outside.  The rule was they had to interview atleast 3 people for each position regardless.

So there was an opening for Director of one of the Engineered Marketing Groups.  Well it was the position that was directly above me that I had basically been doing for a couple years.  Everyone knew I was just going to change job titles...they still had to interview two other people.

So one of them was my buddy who worked for me and was going to just move up to my spot.  I asked him about the interview.  They sat in there and talked about the Baltimore Ravens for 45 minutes.

The same thing happened when I got my first position in the company.  Stupid rule that all department heads had to interview you.  After about the third of six department heads they all just wanted to talk about football, fishing, golf, anything but interview me.  One of them even said that he had already gotten an email that I was going to be offered the job at the end of the day.

In short, it's stupid to arbitrarily waste people's time for some stupid HR rule


OMG this. I also used to work for a very large company, as a contractor. Could not get into the company FTE until an Admin Assist job popped up for external employees in the same department. Was not the position I currently had but was assured as soon as a headcount for current position popped up they would "slide me over", so I took the AA job and "backed up" my previous position if they were busy. Less than a year later, headcount appeared and they slotted me back into my old position, no problem.

Until HR called my new/old boss and told her they weren't allowed to do that and they HAD to interview 2 other people for the job I WAS ALREADY DOING, plus do a "real" interview with me. So we wasted my time, and two other people who weren't going to get the jobs time. Even better I found out later that boss had thrown a snit fit when they called her about it because initially they wanted her to interview 5 people and she said no gotdamn way.
 
2018-01-03 02:18:19 PM  
How about letting companies interview qualified candidates with a good resume no matter what their skin color is?
 
2018-01-03 02:21:38 PM  
A company once created a job opening specifically tailored to me, but they had to post it publicly for reasons.  Apparently a female veteran applied (for the record, she was also reasonably qualified for the position), and the HR folks told my guy at the company that she had to be the hire.  Kind of sucked for me at the time, but things ultimately worked out for the better.
 
2018-01-03 02:56:04 PM  
The Raiders wanted either Hue Jackson or Marvin Lewis but they're both locked up for 2018 so they are going for their 3rd choice Gruden.
 
2018-01-03 03:42:31 PM  
Dont say " I like that Dylan Roof haircut he's wearing."   or "that's the Best thing I've seen from the N FL in a long long time."

/doh!
 
2018-01-03 07:21:13 PM  

John Buck 41: How about letting companies interview qualified candidates with a good resume no matter what their skin color is?


Because they were regularly only interviewing white people and no other colors.
 
2018-01-03 07:53:12 PM  

jaylectricity: John Buck 41: How about letting companies interview qualified candidates with a good resume no matter what their skin color is?

Because they were regularly only interviewing white people and no other colors.


Doesn't answer my question.
 
2018-01-03 08:19:33 PM  

John Buck 41: jaylectricity: John Buck 41: How about letting companies interview qualified candidates with a good resume no matter what their skin color is?

Because they were regularly only interviewing white people and no other colors.

Doesn't answer my question.


Like most job openings, there are more qualified candidates for an NFL head coaching position than will fit on the short list of eventual interviewees. Given that not all qualified candidates will be interviewed, the Rooney Rule demands that owners step outside of their regular network of familiars, and interview a qualified minority candidate. The process of doing so will increase that candidate's status around the league and make it more likely that the candidate will be considered for positions elsewhere, because everyone knows everyone and awareness of the interview will travel around the league.

Your question is based on an assumption that there may not be qualified minority candidates. That is a faulty assumption.
 
2018-01-03 08:40:43 PM  

John Buck 41: jaylectricity: John Buck 41: How about letting companies interview qualified candidates with a good resume no matter what their skin color is?

Because they were regularly only interviewing white people and no other colors.

Doesn't answer my question.


Yes, it does.
 
2018-01-03 08:46:48 PM  

pdieten: Your question is based on an assumption that there may not be qualified minority candidates. That is a faulty assumption.


I never said that and if I implied it that's on you.
 
2018-01-03 10:27:13 PM  
Jesus, some of you people have no idea how hiring and interviews work.

A few weeks ago, we had to conduct interviews for an opening at my work. We had an internal candidate who was fully qualified, our job was an increase in salary of (however you want to do the percentages) making $3 for every $2 he was currently making. If you had asked me going into the interviews, I would have told you that he was probably going to be our hire.

But I absolutely gave the other candidates a chance. One was a bad fit for my department, but great for our company, so I sent that resume on.

Yeah, I ended up giving the job offer to the guy I thought I would. But, if you're in the hiring seat, you don't turn down a better candidate. If there's someone better than the person you have in mind, you take the best candidate. Period.
 
2018-01-03 11:12:50 PM  
 
2018-01-03 11:32:09 PM  

Gonz: Jesus, some of you people have no idea how hiring and interviews work.

A few weeks ago, we had to conduct interviews for an opening at my work. We had an internal candidate who was fully qualified, our job was an increase in salary of (however you want to do the percentages) making $3 for every $2 he was currently making. If you had asked me going into the interviews, I would have told you that he was probably going to be our hire.

But I absolutely gave the other candidates a chance. One was a bad fit for my department, but great for our company, so I sent that resume on.

Yeah, I ended up giving the job offer to the guy I thought I would. But, if you're in the hiring seat, you don't turn down a better candidate. If there's someone better than the person you have in mind, you take the best candidate. Period.


That's what I'm trying to say in this thread. Interview qualified applicants, no matter what the color of their skin. It's not like there haven't been a number of black head coaches in the NFL. They ARE getting jobs.

The Rooney Rule is just lip service.
 
2018-01-04 12:34:43 AM  

js34603: Why waste time interviewing just so the Raiders can look racially sensitive?


The team that hired the first Latino and African-American head coaches, and did so decades before the Rooney Rule existed, doesn't need to look racially sensitive.
 
2018-01-04 12:36:51 AM  

John Buck 41: The Rooney Rule is just lip service.


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2018-01-04 08:41:12 AM  
"You lowly plebes! Speak not of interviews that only I can comprehend!"
 
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