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2018-01-02 02:45:30 PM  
Paging dittybopper
 
2018-01-02 03:26:38 PM  

John Buck 41: Paging dittybopper


What?

Oh, sweet:  A DXpedition to Baker Island!  I'll have to put it on my calendar.

OK, about 7,000-ish miles away, just about due West of my home QTH.  So.....

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Looks like 20 meters and 30 meters will be my best bets.  Twenty meters (14 MHz) will be a problem because everybody and their mother gets on 20, so maybe I'll concentrate on 30 meters (10.1 MHz), and perhaps build a gain antenna and try 15 meters (21 MHz).  Maybe a half-square array with a reflector and a director, should be easy enough to put something like that up in my yard out of wire and PVC pipe.
 
2018-01-02 03:29:45 PM  
BTW, ham radio is nothing like "Facebook".
 
2018-01-02 03:32:47 PM  

dittybopper: BTW, ham radio is nothing like "Facebook".


Ok, it may be a poor analogy (I'm not convinced it is, but if you choose to believe that, fine) but I give Subby props for trying.
 
2018-01-02 03:46:54 PM  

John Buck 41: dittybopper: BTW, ham radio is nothing like "Facebook".

Ok, it may be a poor analogy (I'm not convinced it is, but if you choose to believe that, fine) but I give Subby props for trying.


Well, Facebook is more like a personal bulletin board, that can been seen by all.

Ham radio is more like a party line telephone system that basically goes everywhere.  Perhaps a better analogy would be with Chatroulette, but a far better class of people.
 
2018-01-02 03:51:34 PM  

dittybopper: John Buck 41: dittybopper: BTW, ham radio is nothing like "Facebook".

Ok, it may be a poor analogy (I'm not convinced it is, but if you choose to believe that, fine) but I give Subby props for trying.

Well, Facebook is more like a personal bulletin board, that can been seen by all.


I get your angle. I was thinking more like FB users telling friends who live nearby about issues that might immediately affect them. Storms. Fires. Crime. Traffic problems. Which as you probably know doesn't need to be open to everybody to read.
 
2018-01-02 04:18:06 PM  

dittybopper: John Buck 41: dittybopper: BTW, ham radio is nothing like "Facebook".

Ok, it may be a poor analogy (I'm not convinced it is, but if you choose to believe that, fine) but I give Subby props for trying.

Well, Facebook is more like a personal bulletin board, that can been seen by all.

Ham radio is more like a party line telephone system that basically goes everywhere.  Perhaps a better analogy would be with Chatroulette, but a far better class of people.


I don't think the chatroullete freaks are THAT much better
 
2018-01-02 04:24:13 PM  
7 comments and I can only see one. Yeah, this should be entertaining.
 
2018-01-02 04:24:47 PM  

johnny_vegas: dittybopper: John Buck 41: dittybopper: BTW, ham radio is nothing like "Facebook".

Ok, it may be a poor analogy (I'm not convinced it is, but if you choose to believe that, fine) but I give Subby props for trying.

Well, Facebook is more like a personal bulletin board, that can been seen by all.

Ham radio is more like a party line telephone system that basically goes everywhere.  Perhaps a better analogy would be with Chatroulette, but a far better class of people.

I don't think the chatroullete freaks are THAT much better


This thread was 50% sanitized before I even got here
 
2018-01-02 04:26:35 PM  
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2018-01-02 04:34:02 PM  

John Buck 41: dittybopper: John Buck 41: dittybopper: BTW, ham radio is nothing like "Facebook".

Ok, it may be a poor analogy (I'm not convinced it is, but if you choose to believe that, fine) but I give Subby props for trying.

Well, Facebook is more like a personal bulletin board, that can been seen by all.

I get your angle. I was thinking more like FB users telling friends who live nearby about issues that might immediately affect them. Storms. Fires. Crime. Traffic problems. Which as you probably know doesn't need to be open to everybody to read.


John Buck 41: dittybopper: BTW, ham radio is nothing like "Facebook".

Ok, it may be a poor analogy (I'm not convinced it is, but if you choose to believe that, fine) but I give Subby props for trying.



FTA  "We were the original Facebook," says Don Greenbaum, one of the leaders of the Baker Island team"
 
2018-01-02 04:38:49 PM  
Should have added, it's interesting stuff and the DXepedition sounds cool.
 
2018-01-02 04:43:38 PM  

johnny_vegas: dittybopper: John Buck 41: dittybopper: BTW, ham radio is nothing like "Facebook".

Ok, it may be a poor analogy (I'm not convinced it is, but if you choose to believe that, fine) but I give Subby props for trying.

Well, Facebook is more like a personal bulletin board, that can been seen by all.

Ham radio is more like a party line telephone system that basically goes everywhere.  Perhaps a better analogy would be with Chatroulette, but a far better class of people.

I don't think the chatroullete freaks are THAT much better


There's an OM CQing YL joke in here somewhere.
 
2018-01-02 04:46:41 PM  
I barely want to talk to people near me. Talking to people very far away from me is a no go zone.
 
2018-01-02 04:53:36 PM  

dittybopper: Ham radio is more like a party line telephone system that basically goes everywhere. Perhaps a better analogy would be with Chatroulette, but a far better class of people.


But the problem is, when I get on the Ham radio, nobody knows I'm masturbating.

I mean, it's just rude to say "Hey, everyone, I'm masturbating!"   It's much more effective and shocking when they figure it out organically.
 
2018-01-02 04:54:02 PM  
Someone kerchunk the repeater?

:D 

/amateur radio operator for over 25 years :D
 
2018-01-02 05:00:57 PM  
What my father-in-law telling me about his HAM contesting looks like:

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My face whenever my father-in-law wants to tell me about his HAM contesting.
 
2018-01-02 05:05:47 PM  

Cletus from Canuckistan: johnny_vegas: dittybopper: John Buck 41: dittybopper: BTW, ham radio is nothing like "Facebook".

Ok, it may be a poor analogy (I'm not convinced it is, but if you choose to believe that, fine) but I give Subby props for trying.

Well, Facebook is more like a personal bulletin board, that can been seen by all.

Ham radio is more like a party line telephone system that basically goes everywhere.  Perhaps a better analogy would be with Chatroulette, but a far better class of people.

I don't think the chatroullete freaks are THAT much better

There's an OM CQing YL joke in here somewhere.


That's what my XYL  said.

/wait, what?
 
2018-01-02 05:06:22 PM  
Ham on rye, hold the mayo.
 
2018-01-02 05:15:51 PM  

johnny_vegas: dittybopper: John Buck 41: dittybopper: BTW, ham radio is nothing like "Facebook".

Ok, it may be a poor analogy (I'm not convinced it is, but if you choose to believe that, fine) but I give Subby props for trying.

Well, Facebook is more like a personal bulletin board, that can been seen by all.

Ham radio is more like a party line telephone system that basically goes everywhere.  Perhaps a better analogy would be with Chatroulette, but a far better class of people.

I don't think the chatroullete freaks are THAT much better


It does have some advantages over radio

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2018-01-02 05:20:09 PM  
What a Han radio operator  might look like.
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2018-01-02 05:41:29 PM  
Not as good as Canadian Bacon radio.
 
2018-01-02 06:17:09 PM  
As someone who lived in American Samoa, it was really interesting that TFA mentioned that Baker is a three-day journey from Pago Pago (the capital of American Samoa), without giving any details on where or even what that was.

/Not obscure enough to be obscure to an Atlas Obscura reader?
 
2018-01-02 07:05:02 PM  

dittybopper: BTW, ham radio is nothing like "Facebook".


checking my facebook feed.  "it's 15 below today! burrr!!!"

Checking my old CW logs "It's 15 below today. Havent seen temps like this since 1933"
 
2018-01-02 07:21:52 PM  
Remember during my time at sea, making phone calls via the radio operator, who would hook up with a ham operator at home.
 
2018-01-02 07:25:52 PM  

uberalice: John Buck 41: dittybopper: John Buck 41: dittybopper: BTW, ham radio is nothing like "Facebook".
FTA  "We were the original Facebook," says Don Greenbaum, one of the leaders of the Baker Island team"


How about Usenet, AOL, geocities, myspace, Facebook.  Except that usenet was likely trying to resemble ham radio, only with names for newsgroups instead of frequencies (and had a similar one-to-many system).  I doubt the people behind the rest knew much about hams.  I'd expect that IRC had a similar origin.  Back in the 1980s, hamfests were the best place to buy computer gear.
 
2018-01-02 07:27:47 PM  

John Buck 41: Paging dittybopper


You have to repeat it three times for evil to appear.
 
2018-01-02 07:37:40 PM  

henryhill: John Buck 41: Paging dittybopper

You have to repeat it three times for evil to appear.


He showed up. Even w/o the 3x.
 
2018-01-02 09:19:53 PM  
Peak civilian radio on Baker Island was pre-WW2.
/Smithsonian subscription.
 
2018-01-02 10:00:21 PM  
"We were the original Facebook," says Don Greenbaum

Sorry, but no. Even at the height of ham radio's popularity, it was still pretty unpopular.
 
2018-01-02 10:31:45 PM  
yet_another_wumpus:
Except that usenet was likely trying to resemble ham radio, only with names for newsgroups instead of frequencies (and had a similar one-to-many system).  I doubt the people behind the rest knew much about hams.  I'd expect that IRC had a similar origin.  Back in the 1980s, hamfests were the best place to buy computer gear.

Rule 1 of Usenet, wumpus!
 
2018-01-02 10:45:47 PM  

JolobinSmokin: I barely want to talk to people near me. Talking to people very far away from me is a no go zone.


That's why ham radio is so cool.  I'm talking to people very far away, and it's pretty formatted and stereotypical.  For example, I chatted with a guy in Florida on the way into work this morning (using Morse code). We exchanged signal reports, our names, locations, weather, and our radio/antenna systems.  And that's it.

Using modes like FT8 or JT65, you'll only exchange a grid square (a very approximate location) and a signal report, and that's it.

It's like the ultimate hobby for people who really don't want to have personal contact with other people.  Like the politics tab but without the assholery.
 
2018-01-02 10:49:03 PM  

dittybopper: JolobinSmokin: I barely want to talk to people near me. Talking to people very far away from me is a no go zone.

That's why ham radio is so cool.  I'm talking to people very far away, and it's pretty formatted and stereotypical.  For example, I chatted with a guy in Florida on the way into work this morning (using Morse code). We exchanged signal reports, our names, locations, weather, and our radio/antenna systems.  And that's it.

Using modes like FT8 or JT65, you'll only exchange a grid square (a very approximate location) and a signal report, and that's it.

It's like the ultimate hobby for people who really don't want to have personal contact with other people.  Like the politics tab but without the assholery.


That's the best explanation of this I've ever heard other than necessity.

I like you and your explanation.

Go forth and do good deeds, Ham it up!
 
2018-01-02 10:51:31 PM  

John Buck 41: henryhill: John Buck 41: Paging dittybopper

You have to repeat it three times for evil to appear.

He showed up. Even w/o the 3x.


And I'd like to point out that technically, I'm not evil.

Hell, I've probably done more to help others as a foster parent for 10 years than most Farkers.  Not to mention adopting a Safe Haven baby.
 
2018-01-02 10:54:46 PM  

ReapTheChaos: "We were the original Facebook," says Don Greenbaum

Sorry, but no. Even at the height of ham radio's popularity, it was still pretty unpopular.


Actually, it's more popular now than ever.  There are more licensed hams per 1,000 people in the US than ever before.  When I was first licensed in 1990, it was something like 1.9 hams per 1,000.  It's now something like 2.4 per 1,000.
 
2018-01-02 11:18:18 PM  

kb7rky: Someone kerchunk the repeater?

:D 

/amateur radio operator for over 25 years :D


Didn't think "kb7rky" was your vanity plate.

/Or is it?
 
2018-01-03 12:45:03 AM  

dittybopper: ReapTheChaos: "We were the original Facebook," says Don Greenbaum

Sorry, but no. Even at the height of ham radio's popularity, it was still pretty unpopular.

Actually, it's more popular now than ever.  There are more licensed hams per 1,000 people in the US than ever before.  When I was first licensed in 1990, it was something like 1.9 hams per 1,000.  It's now something like 2.4 per 1,000.


Did they drop the Morse requirement?  I think that was the biggest hurdle (except that you still seem to use it).
 
2018-01-03 05:16:14 AM  

dittybopper: It's like the ultimate hobby for people who really don't want to have personal contact with other people.


As a ham that was married to a ham (silent key), this is truth.
 
2018-01-03 05:19:07 AM  
Our greatest ham achievement  was exchanging greetings with the space shuttle when it was in orbit.

I drove around with an enormous antenna mounted in the back of my truck for the longest time trying to catch the signal. My children were mortified.
 
2018-01-03 07:04:05 AM  

yet_another_wumpus: dittybopper: ReapTheChaos: "We were the original Facebook," says Don Greenbaum

Sorry, but no. Even at the height of ham radio's popularity, it was still pretty unpopular.

Actually, it's more popular now than ever.  There are more licensed hams per 1,000 people in the US than ever before.  When I was first licensed in 1990, it was something like 1.9 hams per 1,000.  It's now something like 2.4 per 1,000.

Did they drop the Morse requirement?  I think that was the biggest hurdle (except that you still seem to use it).


Yes, many years ago.

They dropped the Morse requirement for the initial license back in the 1990's, and they completely removed it as a requirement for any license back in 2007.

It wasn't really an FCC requirement, actually:  International treaty required knowledge of Morse code for amateur radio operation below 30 MHz (the long-distance frequencies).  That treaty was changed in 2003, dropping the requirement, and the FCC followed suit in 2007.

You no longer need to know Morse code to get any amateur radio license.
 
2018-01-03 07:17:22 AM  

Maud Dib: 7 comments and I can only see one. Yeah, this should be entertaining.


Never understood this.

Putting people on ignore is antithetical to what I believe.  It's like plugging your ears and yelling "NAH NAH NAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU!".  It's puerile, and intellectually dishonest:  Even the most idiotic person can be right once in a while.

Also, putting people you disagree with on ignore is tantamount to admitting that you don't want to actually debate, or have an actual conversation about any topic that might even be slightly controversial with people you don't agree with.  You're just looking to have your opinions validated.

I've been saying this for at least a decade on Fark:  I will *NEVER* put *ANYONE* on ignore, *EVER*.   Even the asshole trolls.  Why?  Because nobody is ever 100% right on every subject.  Intellectual honesty demands that we listen to opposing viewpoints.  But if you put someone on ignore because they annoy you, you're not being intellectually honest.  You're lying to yourself.
 
2018-01-03 07:20:21 AM  

Gramma: dittybopper: It's like the ultimate hobby for people who really don't want to have personal contact with other people.

As a ham that was married to a ham (silent key), this is truth.


I'm going to need to see pictures of your gear before I'm all like "How *YOU* doin'?".
 
2018-01-03 08:33:37 AM  

dittybopper: JolobinSmokin: I barely want to talk to people near me. Talking to people very far away from me is a no go zone.

That's why ham radio is so cool.  I'm talking to people very far away, and it's pretty formatted and stereotypical.  For example, I chatted with a guy in Florida on the way into work this morning (using Morse code). We exchanged signal reports, our names, locations, weather, and our radio/antenna systems.  And that's it.

Using modes like FT8 or JT65, you'll only exchange a grid square (a very approximate location) and a signal report, and that's it.

It's like the ultimate hobby for people who really don't want to have personal contact with other people.  Like the politics tab but without the assholery.


I cannot imagine the level of distraction I would experience trying to send and receive morse while driving. I've known some contesters that could carry on a CW conversation while logging AND chat in person at the same time. Both of those levels of multitasking is beyond me.
 
2018-01-03 08:40:14 AM  

dittybopper: Maud Dib: 7 comments and I can only see one. Yeah, this should be entertaining.

Never understood this.

Putting people on ignore is antithetical to what I believe.  It's like plugging your ears and yelling "NAH NAH NAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU!".  It's puerile, and intellectually dishonest:  Even the most idiotic person can be right once in a while.

Also, putting people you disagree with on ignore is tantamount to admitting that you don't want to actually debate, or have an actual conversation about any topic that might even be slightly controversial with people you don't agree with.  You're just looking to have your opinions validated.

I've been saying this for at least a decade on Fark:  I will *NEVER* put *ANYONE* on ignore, *EVER*.   Even the asshole trolls.  Why?  Because nobody is ever 100% right on every subject.  Intellectual honesty demands that we listen to opposing viewpoints.  But if you put someone on ignore because they annoy you, you're not being intellectually honest.  You're lying to yourself.


Couldn't have said it better. I have many Farkers 'favorited' in bright yellow but yes, every now and then one of them posts something that I agree with and/or makes sense.
 
2018-01-03 08:57:58 AM  

John Buck 41: dittybopper: Maud Dib: 7 comments and I can only see one. Yeah, this should be entertaining.

Never understood this.

Putting people on ignore is antithetical to what I believe.  It's like plugging your ears and yelling "NAH NAH NAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU!".  It's puerile, and intellectually dishonest:  Even the most idiotic person can be right once in a while.

Also, putting people you disagree with on ignore is tantamount to admitting that you don't want to actually debate, or have an actual conversation about any topic that might even be slightly controversial with people you don't agree with.  You're just looking to have your opinions validated.

I've been saying this for at least a decade on Fark:  I will *NEVER* put *ANYONE* on ignore, *EVER*.   Even the asshole trolls.  Why?  Because nobody is ever 100% right on every subject.  Intellectual honesty demands that we listen to opposing viewpoints.  But if you put someone on ignore because they annoy you, you're not being intellectually honest.  You're lying to yourself.

Couldn't have said it better. I have many Farkers 'favorited' in bright yellow but yes, every now and then one of them posts something that I agree with and/or makes sense.


Pretty much the same reason why I have < 5 on ignore (could be zero, but I've been here long enough to have possibly forgotten some and I can't figure out how to see the list on mobile), and even those, if they exist, are obvioud hardcore trolls with nothing to contribute. Most that I suspect of being trolls are "favorited" in red, with the darkness of the red corresponding to how sure I am of the trolliness. It's easy to rake their opinion with abgrain of salt that way.

There is a LOT of gray area between "OMG I DISAGREE! TROLL! U SUCK! IGNORE!" and "This person even trolls the Sports Tab with unrelated politics," so I try to take that into account.

/The rare left-wing troll is blue
//Other important notes on Farkers are yellow, orange, or (for positive ones) green
 
2018-01-03 09:03:47 AM  

dittybopper: John Buck 41: henryhill: John Buck 41: Paging dittybopper

You have to repeat it three times for evil to appear.

He showed up. Even w/o the 3x.

And I'd like to point out that technically, I'm not evil.

Hell, I've probably done more to help others as a foster parent for 10 years than most Farkers.  Not to mention adopting a Safe Haven baby.


Foster parent, evil:

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2018-01-03 11:35:23 AM  

not2bright: I cannot imagine the level of distraction I would experience trying to send and receive morse while driving.


It's actually not as bad as it would seem at first glance.

First of all, sending is no big deal at all.  It's like tapping your knee to your favorite song while you're driving.

As for receiving, even that's not difficult, provided that don't try to copy every dit and dah on a piece of paper.  That actually was a problem for me at first, because that's how I was trained by the Army:  You write down *EVERYTHING*, so I never really developed a "memory" of what I had copied.  Not that you can on things like random code groups.  Once I recognized that I didn't have to write it all down, it became easy.

And the advantage is that it's a purely auditory activity, no need to use your eyes for *ANYTHING* while sending and receiving Morse, so you don't ever have to take your eyes off the road.

Full disclosure, though:  I keep a notepad in the car and I note callsign, time, freq (usually I don't move so I get this at the end of my journey), and signal report on a page of the notepad for logging purposes.  I don't look while I'm writing, and it's generally just something like this:

11:38 W1ABC 7.042 589

Except in nasty chicken scratch because I'm not taking my eyes off the road.  I can remember their name during the QSO, and I can always look up their location on QRZ.com when I go to put it in my logbook.

In short, once you are reasonably comfortable with CW, you can have a mobile conversation with someone using Morse while you're driving.  It just requires that you don't be stupid about where your eyes go.  There's only one button to push, and it shouldn't move around on you.
 
2018-01-03 11:42:59 AM  

amindtat: dittybopper: John Buck 41: henryhill: John Buck 41: Paging dittybopper

You have to repeat it three times for evil to appear.

He showed up. Even w/o the 3x.

And I'd like to point out that technically, I'm not evil.

Hell, I've probably done more to help others as a foster parent for 10 years than most Farkers.  Not to mention adopting a Safe Haven baby.

Foster parent, evil:

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Bernie Bro, liberal, evil:

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Just because an example exists of something doesn't mean you should use that as a generalization.

All intelligent people understand that.
 
2018-01-03 11:55:30 AM  

John Buck 41: dittybopper: Maud Dib: 7 comments and I can only see one. Yeah, this should be entertaining.

Never understood this.

Putting people on ignore is antithetical to what I believe.  It's like plugging your ears and yelling "NAH NAH NAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU!".  It's puerile, and intellectually dishonest:  Even the most idiotic person can be right once in a while.

Also, putting people you disagree with on ignore is tantamount to admitting that you don't want to actually debate, or have an actual conversation about any topic that might even be slightly controversial with people you don't agree with.  You're just looking to have your opinions validated.

I've been saying this for at least a decade on Fark:  I will *NEVER* put *ANYONE* on ignore, *EVER*.   Even the asshole trolls.  Why?  Because nobody is ever 100% right on every subject.  Intellectual honesty demands that we listen to opposing viewpoints.  But if you put someone on ignore because they annoy you, you're not being intellectually honest.  You're lying to yourself.

Couldn't have said it better. I have many Farkers 'favorited' in bright yellow but yes, every now and then one of them posts something that I agree with and/or makes sense.


I have people "favorited", of course.  The overwhelming majority of them (168 in fact) are ham radio operators so I recognize them at a glance.  They get a nice green.  I have 3 that are Military Intelligence blue and noted as "Old Crow", because they've been there and done that.  One Farker that posts sarcastic seemingly anti-gun posts that are really pro-gun is in ironic pink with a "Pro Gun" notation.  He caught me one too many times :-)

And I've got just two that are yellow:  One notated as 'Pavlovian dickheaded troll', because doesn't matter what I'm posting about, even something as innocent and unpolitical as amateur radio, he or she goes out of their way to be an asshole to me.  And another that I have noted as "Keeping an eye on them", though I don't recall why at this point.
 
2018-01-03 12:05:49 PM  

John Buck 41: Couldn't have said it better. I have many Farkers 'favorited' in bright yellow but yes, every now and then one of them posts something that I agree with and/or makes sense.


I think it's actually more important when they don't agree with me, and then lay out a good, supported case for why I'm wrong.

That last bit is important.  If you don't agree with me, you can call me names until you're blue in the face, and you aren't going to convince me that you're right.

If, on the other hand, you have a cogent argument and you can support it with factual, well-sourced information, I am forced to take what you are saying seriously.  I may not end up agreeing with you in the end (or I may - it's happened before), but I will take your argument seriously instead of basically ignoring you.

I don't know why this isn't more prevalent here on Fark, but over the years it's gotten pretty damned bad.  Even setting aside the politics of the last couple of years, I've had people think they were making fun of me by saying "post your graphs and data" when in fact that's probably the highest complement they can pay me.
 
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