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2018-01-02 12:59:03 PM  
New York City's mayor is a contemptible human being who marched in a parade headed by a terrorist, flouted the law in failing to turn over unused school space for high-quality charters that serve as a lifeline out of the slums, and did favors for campaign fundraisers. But as de Blasio begins his second and final term as mayor, having been sworn in by the country's sole high-ranking socialist, Bernie Sanders, he's entitled to an I-told-you-so moment on the issue that swept him into office.

"I was dead wrong, wrong as wrong can be. But definitely right about everything else"
 
2018-01-02 01:02:04 PM  
Also known simply as racial profiling.

Not sure why the author thinks DeBlasio is a despicable human being.
 
2018-01-02 01:06:14 PM  

Astorix: Also known simply as racial profiling.

Not sure why the author thinks DeBlasio is a despicable human being.


since white males have been most mass shooters....can we start racial profiling them yet?
 
ecl [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2018-01-02 01:06:40 PM  
"high-quality charters"

*snert*
 
2018-01-02 01:07:49 PM  
See, that's the thing. When Democrats tell you that your suggested stupid idea is dead wrong, and you go ahead and implement it only to discover that, after careful inspection of the implementation, your stupid idea really was dead wrong, you don't then pat yourself on the goddamned back for no longer implementing your stupid idea, and you certainly don't expect praise for discovering, long after everyone else told you, that it was a stupid idea.

It's as if the GOP is headed by a tag team of Epimetheus and Narcissus, and they're both too drunk to think.
 
2018-01-02 01:21:29 PM  
Like many conservatives, I had grave concerns about curtailing the New York City police department's controversial tactic of stopping and frisking potential suspects for weapons

Even if it did make the crime level decrease, it's wrong to do it, why can't that be enough?
 
2018-01-02 01:28:43 PM  
And...?  Keep going, TFAuthor, you've been wrong about quite a bit.  This is a good start - realizing that you're wrong about one thing is the first step when you've been wrong about so much - so keep up the good work and look at other issues where conservatives have been disastrously wrong.
 
2018-01-02 01:30:18 PM  
Oh look, anti-government libertarians whipping out the jackboot polish when said boot is on a black person's neck.

There's a shock.
 
2018-01-02 01:35:30 PM  
Like many conservatives, I had grave concerns about curtailing the New York City police department's controversial tactic of stopping and frisking potential suspects for weapons

In that case you're not only not a conservative, you really shouldn't even call yourself an American, you pants wetting jacktard.  Go hide under your god dammed bed, you frigging coward.
 
2018-01-02 01:37:28 PM  

Sgt Otter: Oh look, anti-government libertarians whipping out the jackboot polish when said boot is on a black person's neck.

There's a shock.


At least he was willing to admit that nothing bad had actually occurred for dropping the policy. Despite his hopes and dreams of being able to say "SEE? I TOLDYASO!"

And yet, the crow seems to have turned to butter in his mouth, and the flavor...exquisite. But he's sure that the Mayor is going to Burn in the Hell of Being Roasted Alive, so really, nothing much has changed, but he's the bigger man for being able to admit that maybe with jobs and slightly better prospects, people don't have to turn to crime so damn much, and they kind of appreciate NOT being treated like they're criminals as they head to the store for some milk...
 
2018-01-02 01:40:23 PM  
You were not wrong, Piggies.
You were violating the constitution.
And you should be in a federal penitentiary for it.
 
2018-01-02 01:55:01 PM  
Great, now what about "trickle down" economics, legalization of marijuana, the results of the Affordable Care Act, abstinence only education, homosexuality (choice of, and impact of marriage), and environmental regulations?
 
2018-01-02 02:00:18 PM  

Astorix: Also known simply as racial profiling.

Not sure why the author thinks DeBlasio is a despicable human being.


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I have 3 ideas.

Also, the fine, totally not-racist folks over at the National Review are running this article at the same time, which argues that proactive policing (read: stop and frisk) is still important, and that the drop in crime in NYC was caused by white people moving into formerly black neighborhoods like Harlem, Bed-Stuy and Crown Heights (nevermind that the city's overall black population has remained roughly the same, or that the largest drops in crime have been in un-gentrified areas like Brownsville & East New York).
 
2018-01-02 02:09:22 PM  

itsdan: New York City's mayor is a contemptible human being


Ironic, coming from a magazine who once opposed trump - possibly the most contemptible human being on the planet - yet now regularly fellates him.
 
2018-01-02 02:10:46 PM  
Is the Obvious tag being detained without charges?
 
2018-01-02 02:10:51 PM  
This being NRO, I assume they've moved from "Stop and Frisk" to "Shoot on Sight" as their preferred policy?
 
2018-01-02 02:11:48 PM  

FormlessOne: See, that's the thing. When Democrats tell you that your suggested stupid idea is dead wrong, and you go ahead and implement it only to discover that, after careful inspection of the implementation, your stupid idea really was dead wrong, you don't then pat yourself on the goddamned back for no longer implementing your stupid idea, and you certainly don't expect praise for discovering, long after everyone else told you, that it was a stupid idea.

It's as if the GOP is headed by a tag team of Epimetheus and Narcissus, and they're both too drunk to think.


The gop is like Fonzie from happy days- unable to say "i was wr..... I was wroo  ........ i was wrronnn ,,,,,, i was wrong " .
 
2018-01-02 02:11:54 PM  
OMG. Observing the civil rights of the blacks didn't cause social armageddon. Next thing you know, we're gonna have to stop voter suppression and watch voter fraud never become a thing.
 
2018-01-02 02:12:17 PM  
You assholes have been wrong about a lot more than that.
 
stk [TotalFark]
2018-01-02 02:12:33 PM  
"I was inclined to defer to the police when they protested that they needed the option to stop, question, and frisk New Yorkers on a mere reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing instead of probable cause that the targeted person had committed a crime."

That's because you're a farking authority worshiping dick-wad. America's all about keeping that in check. You don't want freedom, you want to be left alone and anyone who doesn't look like you to get hassled.
 
2018-01-02 02:14:09 PM  
NRO:
"We were wrong about Stop And Frisk"
 
2018-01-02 02:15:08 PM  

Astorix: Also known simply as racial profiling.

Not sure why the author thinks DeBlasio is a despicable human being.


 

El_Perro: Astorix: Also known simply as racial profiling.

Not sure why the author thinks DeBlasio is a despicable human being.

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I have 3 ideas.

Also, the fine, totally not-racist folks over at the National Review are running this article at the same time, which argues that proactive policing (read: stop and frisk) is still important, and that the drop in crime in NYC was caused by white people moving into formerly black neighborhoods like Harlem, Bed-Stuy and Crown Heights (nevermind that the city's overall black population has remained roughly the same, or that the largest drops in crime have been in un-gentrified areas like Brownsville & East New York).
I wish we also had a sad tag

 
2018-01-02 02:16:44 PM  
In the past I have stated that I'm no longer accepting changes of heart from the right. Their views are worthy of contempt and I take it as my honor and duty as a human being to constantly remind them of this fact.

Yep. You were wrong...about that and a shiat ton more. Now go fark yourself.
 
2018-01-02 02:16:54 PM  

alienated: The gop is like Fonzie from happy days- unable to say "i was wr..... I was wroo  ........ i was wrronnn ,,,,,, i was wrong "


Totally.  It was funnier than Laugh In.
 
2018-01-02 02:16:55 PM  
That's ok NRO is wrong about most things.
 
2018-01-02 02:17:06 PM  

Archidude: This being NRO, I assume they've moved from "Stop and Frisk" to "Shoot on Sight" as their preferred policy?


Turning "I Can't Breathe" into "I Can Bleed."
 
2018-01-02 02:17:36 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: OMG. Observing the civil rights of the blacks didn't cause social armageddon. Next thing you know, we're gonna have to stop voter suppression and watch voter fraud never become a thing.


Let's not get crazy. Republicans still have elections to win and for some reason black people don't vote for the party that pushes policies that punish black people.
 
2018-01-02 02:17:52 PM  

Astorix: Also known simply as racial profiling.

Not sure why the author thinks DeBlasio is a despicable human being.


He's a Democrat.
Isn't that enough?
 
2018-01-02 02:18:27 PM  

Astorix: Also known simply as racial profiling.

Not sure why the author thinks DeBlasio is a despicable human being.


DeBlasio pissed off the cops by saying they should be held accountable when they do horrible things, which is why groups of them turned their back to him when he addressed them at public appearances.  The NYPD's version of taking a knee.
 
2018-01-02 02:19:11 PM  

El_Perro: Astorix: Also known simply as racial profiling.

Not sure why the author thinks DeBlasio is a despicable human being.

[img.fark.net image 749x331]

I have 3 ideas.

Also, the fine, totally not-racist folks over at the National Review are running this article at the same time, which argues that proactive policing (read: stop and frisk) is still important, and that the drop in crime in NYC was caused by white people moving into formerly black neighborhoods like Harlem, Bed-Stuy and Crown Heights (nevermind that the city's overall black population has remained roughly the same, or that the largest drops in crime have been in un-gentrified areas like Brownsville & East New York).


It's because they're jealous of that glorious afro, isn't it?
 
2018-01-02 02:19:24 PM  
Their other article on the drop in crime is that gentrification in NYC is the reason crime is down.
 
2018-01-02 02:20:27 PM  

Barfmaker: Like many conservatives, I had grave concerns about curtailing the New York City police department's controversial tactic of stopping and frisking potential suspects for weapons

Even if it did make the crime level decrease, it's wrong to do it, why can't that be enough?


Like many conservatives I believe in individual freedom and limited government. I supported a program of the government taking freedom from others because I knew I'd never be stopped and dark skinned people scare me.
 
2018-01-02 02:22:32 PM  
I have a feeling you are wrong about a lot of things Mr. Smith.
 
2018-01-02 02:26:11 PM  
Wow, haven't seen a National Derp Online submission lately, and here there are two of them.
 
2018-01-02 02:26:27 PM  

odinsposse: rzrwiresunrise: OMG. Observing the civil rights of the blacks didn't cause social armageddon. Next thing you know, we're gonna have to stop voter suppression and watch voter fraud never become a thing.

Let's not get crazy. Republicans still have elections to win and for some reason black people don't vote for the party that pushes policies that punish black people.


Are you telling me to think white and get serious?

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2018-01-02 02:26:39 PM  
The Weeners:

"The ghetto neighborhoods are gentrifying. Fewer blacks and latinos, more whites means less crime. New York's population has changed."

The man who made this comment on a national forum used his (presumably) real name and employer. Can you imagine what he says in private?
 
2018-01-02 02:27:04 PM  
I was inclined to defer to the police when they protested that they needed the option to stop, question, and frisk New Yorkers on a mere reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing instead of probable cause that the targeted person had committed a crime.

Of course you were.  The "mere reasonable suspicion" standard they were using was "minority living in a poor neighborhood", which you didn't care about because you didn't qualify.
 
2018-01-02 02:29:35 PM  
Now we should talk about the 50 other programs the NYPD has which are Constitutionally questionable at best.
 
2018-01-02 02:30:31 PM  
You know I respect NRO for admitting they were wrong about something.  That's always good, even if it's like, super late.  Now, let's take this a step further (farther?)... NRO, if you can be wrong about this... could you also be wrong about other things? *Twilight Zone music quietly fades to black*
 
2018-01-02 02:30:37 PM  
Like many conservatives, I had grave concerns about curtailing the New York City police department's controversial tactic of stopping and frisking potential suspects for weapons.

Like many conservatives, I believe that rights pursuant to the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments should only be granted after a melanin check.
 
2018-01-02 02:31:46 PM  

nmrsnr: Great, now what about "trickle down" economics, legalization of marijuana, the results of the Affordable Care Act, abstinence only education, homosexuality (choice of, and impact of marriage), and environmental regulations?


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2018-01-02 02:47:26 PM  
After the first two paragraphs I wanted to kick the author in the nuts.
 
2018-01-02 02:47:45 PM  

Barfmaker: Like many conservatives, I had grave concerns about curtailing the New York City police department's controversial tactic of stopping and frisking potential suspects for weapons

Even if it did make the crime level decrease, it's wrong to do it, why can't that be enough?


Because "crime" is a vague term.

If it prevents murders, that's one thing. If it prevents littering, that's something else.


Frankly, I don't have a dog in the fight. I don't live in high crime areas, nor high crime adjacent. Nor even high crime adjacent adjacent.

If I lived in a high crime area, I would want aggressive policing. Other people may differ.
 
2018-01-02 02:48:13 PM  
You know, I get that you all at NR don't care for liberals all that much or liberal policies. Fine by me, but why do a 180 on your so called libertarian, small government principles when the targets of said big government overreach are black individuals? Hell, if Obama was 1% the tyrant you imagined him to be, he could've taken that same policy and turned it to target white right wingers and it be perfectly legal. Never support laws that can be used and abused by your enemies - that's rule #1 in governance.

Say what you will about liberals, but by and large, they don't enact useless laws for the sole purpose of stigginit to the right. And before you say guns, the left in general doesn't give guns away to their political allies while talking about banning them.
 
2018-01-02 02:48:50 PM  

Archidude: This being NRO, I assume they've moved from "Stop and Frisk" to "Shoot on Sight" as their preferred policy?


Nah, with their boy Trump in office they are shooting for repeal of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments and the reimposition of Dred Scott as the law of the land.
 
2018-01-02 02:49:05 PM  

FlashHarry: itsdan: New York City's mayor is a contemptible human being

Ironic, coming from a magazine who once opposed trump - possibly the most contemptible human being on the planet - yet now regularly fellates him.


Good to see that fine liberals like yourself continue to use homophobic insults.
 
2018-01-02 02:51:17 PM  

gar1013: If I lived in a high crime area, I would want aggressive policing.


Even if that meant your own civil rights were violated on a regular basis?
 
2018-01-02 02:51:24 PM  

JAGChem82: And before you say guns, the left in general doesn't give guns away to their political allies while talking about banning them.


Actually whenever they've passed punitive feature restrictions and registration requirements they typically exempt all law enforcement, including retired and off-duty, from said restrictions, despite that segment of the population abusing drugs and being involved in domestic violence more than the general population.

Anything to get a couple of crisp uniforms in front of the cameras at their gun-ban victory signings...
 
2018-01-02 02:51:34 PM  

Astorix: Also known simply as racial profiling.

Not sure why the author thinks DeBlasio is a despicable human being.


He's a democrat.
 
2018-01-02 02:51:50 PM  

gar1013: If I lived in a high crime area, I would want aggressive policing.


You sound like the right color.
 
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