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2018-01-02 12:57:03 PM  
Last seen walking out of his office singing "I'm like a bird. I'll only fly away-ee"
 
2018-01-02 01:05:18 PM  
I can't argue that his draft and develop plan worked, to an extent. It just left holes in the roster that he was pathologically unwilling to fill with free agents.

So I'll hope the new guy (Elliot Wolf?) will break out the cheque book every now and then.

/you can't compete in the NFL if you don't draft well
 
2018-01-02 01:09:40 PM  

sirrerun: Last seen walking out of his office singing "I'm like a bird. I'll only fly away-ee"


Fark you. I hope you DIAF

/Off to binge-listen to Pantara hoping to drown that farking song from my mind
 
2018-01-02 02:19:42 PM  
Thomson will replace him.
 
2018-01-02 02:25:26 PM  

Gubbo: the new guy (Elliot Wolf?)


I expect they'll go hard after Seattle's John Schneider, who grew up a Packers fan and used to work in the Green Bay FO. Schneider is under contract, though -- I'm not sure if there is a precedent for trading a GM, though coaches have been traded before (e.g., Jon Gruden, plus the semi-voluntary Bill Belichick "trade" where the Jets were awarded a Patriots draft pick for tampering).

Not sure who would negotiate a GM trade from either side, though, since that's normally the GM's job.
 
2018-01-02 02:31:36 PM  

Super Chronic: Gubbo: the new guy (Elliot Wolf?)

I expect they'll go hard after Seattle's John Schneider, who grew up a Packers fan and used to work in the Green Bay FO. Schneider is under contract, though -- I'm not sure if there is a precedent for trading a GM, though coaches have been traded before (e.g., Jon Gruden, plus the semi-voluntary Bill Belichick "trade" where the Jets were awarded a Patriots draft pick for tampering).

Not sure who would negotiate a GM trade from either side, though, since that's normally the GM's job.


He has said that he doesn't have an out in his contract for Green Bay. But, if the Packers can argue that it's a promotion, the Seahawks can't block him. The trick to that would be convincing the league that since Schneider shares personnel decision with Carroll, that becoming a GM with full control would be a promotion.

/and also him wanting to join the Packers, I guess that would still have to be part of it
 
2018-01-02 02:36:38 PM  
As a Packers fan, yesterday was the best part of the 2017 season.  I lean towards Wolf because he's been groomed for it for so long and it is a young person's game.  Then they can move on to whether or not to keep McCarthy around for his last year of his contract or just blow it all up. Also Fark Om Capers with a rusty pitchfork
 
2018-01-02 02:47:31 PM  
He gave us Aaron Rodgers. No one at the time thought he was going to be what he became, but Ted Thompson obviously saw something there, and thank [fill in your deity of choice] that he did, or the Packers would be as woeful and inept as they were before Farkface von Clownstick (my dad's name for him) became the starting QB.

That said, you can only rest on past laurels for so long. At some point, the glories of the past cease being a cushion for you to fall on when you fark up, and instead, become sharp spikes that impale you. It's time for someone new, someone younger, to take over and see what they can do. We need a defense, we need some shoring up on the O-line, and we need to lock down our receiving core. We finally have a semblance of a running game, something I'd like to see expanded upon and utilized more next season.
 
2018-01-02 02:49:00 PM  

Coco LaFemme: He gave us Aaron Rodgers. No one at the time thought he was going to be what he became, but Ted Thompson obviously saw something there, and thank [fill in your deity of choice] that he did, or the Packers would be as woeful and inept as they were before Farkface von Clownstick (my dad's name for him) became the starting QB.

That said, you can only rest on past laurels for so long. At some point, the glories of the past cease being a cushion for you to fall on when you fark up, and instead, become sharp spikes that impale you. It's time for someone new, someone younger, to take over and see what they can do. We need a defense, we need some shoring up on the O-line, and we need to lock down our receiving core  corps. We finally have a semblance of a running game, something I'd like to see expanded upon and utilized more next season.


FTFM. One of these days I'm going to learn to preview before I hit "Add Comment."
 
2018-01-02 03:08:57 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Coco LaFemme: He gave us Aaron Rodgers. No one at the time thought he was going to be what he became, but Ted Thompson obviously saw something there, and thank [fill in your deity of choice] that he did, or the Packers would be as woeful and inept as they were before Farkface von Clownstick (my dad's name for him) became the starting QB.

That said, you can only rest on past laurels for so long. At some point, the glories of the past cease being a cushion for you to fall on when you fark up, and instead, become sharp spikes that impale you. It's time for someone new, someone younger, to take over and see what they can do. We need a defense, we need some shoring up on the O-line, and we need to lock down our receiving core  corps. We finally have a semblance of a running game, something I'd like to see expanded upon and utilized more next season.

FTFM. One of these days I'm going to learn to preview before I hit "Add Comment."


Better than receiving corpse, which is about all the Bears had this year.
 
2018-01-02 03:17:32 PM  

Coco LaFemme: the Packers would be as woeful and inept as they were before Farkface von Clownstick (my dad's name for him) became the starting QB.


Don't hate on the Don Majkowski era.

Magik 7, baby.
 
2018-01-02 03:35:04 PM  
Capers and Thompson should have been gone after the 2014 season. Here's the defensive draft picks Thompson has made from 2014 - now:

Haha Clinton-Dix
Khyri Thornton
Carl Bradford
Demetri Goodson
Damarious Randall
Quentin Rollins
Jake Ryan
Christian Ringo
Kenny Clark
Kyler Fackrell
Blake Martinez
Dean Lowry
Kevin King
Josh Jones
Montravius Adams
Vince Biegel

Players I've bolded I would consider are above average. Clinton-Dix this year had a below average year, but was really good when he had other talent around him. Kevin King showed flashes this year when he was healthy. Other than those names, I see a lot of filler that aren't even in the NFL anymore or are below average in talent/performance. You can't be only hitting on 20% of your draft picks and expect to be successful if you want to use the draft and develop philosophy. It's not good enough, and never will be. Nobody is saying that half of the players you draft have to be studs, but you can't miss as much as he did.
 
2018-01-02 03:38:55 PM  
Hey!  We might end up with a GM that actually believes in free agency!

Now if we can gey a head coach that believes in the running game and has a gameplan beyond 'Let whatever's gonna happen happen for the first 55 minutes and then Aaron'll throw it real far and somebody will make a circus catch'...well, then we'll really have something.

/dumbass McCarthy threw the the ball 40 f'ing times in the freezing cold with a QB that struggles to huck it 20 yds last week.
 
2018-01-02 03:42:53 PM  

Coco LaFemme: He gave us Aaron Rodgers. No one at the time thought he was going to be what he became, but Ted Thompson obviously saw something there, and thank [fill in your deity of choice] that he did, or the Packers would be as woeful and inept as they were before Farkface von Clownstick (my dad's name for him) became the starting QB.

That said, you can only rest on past laurels for so long. At some point, the glories of the past cease being a cushion for you to fall on when you fark up, and instead, become sharp spikes that impale you. It's time for someone new, someone younger, to take over and see what they can do. We need a defense, we need some shoring up on the O-line, and we need to lock down our receiving core. We finally have a semblance of a running game, something I'd like to see expanded upon and utilized more next season.


Didn't watch the draft that year, huh?  Hia wait in the green room was a big deal because EVERYBODY knew how good he was.  Other than the Niners, the teams that passed in him passed because they didn't want to draft a QB, not because people didn't know 'bout Rogers.  I don't give Thompson any credit for that.  I'd have taken him, and I don't know shiat about prospects.
 
2018-01-02 03:46:52 PM  

Mr.Poops: Capers and Thompson should have been gone after the 2014 season. Here's the defensive draft picks Thompson has made from 2014 - now:

Haha Clinton-Dix
Khyri Thornton
Carl Bradford
Demetri Goodson
Damarious Randall
Quentin Rollins
Jake Ryan
Christian Ringo
Kenny Clark
Kyler Fackrell
Blake Martinez
Dean Lowry
Kevin King
Josh Jones
Montravius Adams
Vince Biegel

Players I've bolded I would consider are above average. Clinton-Dix this year had a below average year, but was really good when he had other talent around him. Kevin King showed flashes this year when he was healthy. Other than those names, I see a lot of filler that aren't even in the NFL anymore or are below average in talent/performance. You can't be only hitting on 20% of your draft picks and expect to be successful if you want to use the draft and develop philosophy. It's not good enough, and never will be. Nobody is saying that half of the players you draft have to be studs, but you can't miss as much as he did.


I don't think it is entirely fair to include this years rookie class. You have to give them some time.

Also, if you add the offensive skill and line positions, his record gets much better.
 
2018-01-02 03:50:46 PM  
Gubbo:
I don't think it is entirely fair to include this years rookie class. You have to give them some time.

Also, if you add the offensive skill and line positions, his record gets much better.


Point taken, I think Kevin King and Josh Jones looked ok from what I saw -- but again I did say this is JUST the defensive side of the ball. I think he's done fine offensively, but you can't deny his track record  on the defensive side has been sub-standard.
 
2018-01-02 03:53:22 PM  
You can throw in 2013 for good measure, which included:

Datone Jones
Micah Hyde
Josh Boyd
Nate Palmer
Sam Barrington

Micah Hyde was a swiss army knife back there, I was honestly pissed when I saw him let go. At the time I can understand letting Casey Hayward go, but Hyde was a genuine stud - they really dropped the ball on that one.
 
2018-01-02 03:57:38 PM  

Mr.Poops: You can't be only hitting on 20% of your draft picks and expect to be successful if you want to use the draft and develop philosophy.


Actually, you can, in a sense. I don't have the article handy, and I'm on mobile, so I don't want to bother looking for it, but I read something a few years ago that blew my mind, and made perfect sense.

Basically, you build an NFL team at the extremes. Your first rounders have to be able to play, and then it's basically a reverse bell curve. It's the 7th rounders and undrafted free agents that provide a ton of depth, because those are the guys that scouting departments say "we think this dude has what it takes".

If I remember correctly, the rule of thumb is to burn a 7th round pick only if the scouts had noticed other scouts looking at the same guy. Otherwise, you just invite them to camp. Doesn't cost anything if they don't work out, and if they can play, the fans aren't going to complain.
 
2018-01-02 04:04:28 PM  

Mr.Poops: You can throw in 2013 for good measure, which included:

Datone Jones
Micah Hyde
Josh Boyd
Nate Palmer
Sam Barrington

Micah Hyde was a swiss army knife back there, I was honestly pissed when I saw him let go. At the time I can understand letting Casey Hayward go, but Hyde was a genuine stud - they really dropped the ball on that one.


Hyde was one they shouldn't have let go.

How much of this is TT just being better at spotting offensive talent, how much is the defensive staff not being given a say.

And how much was just some times for the love of God pay some money for an impact free agent.
 
2018-01-02 04:14:47 PM  

Gubbo: Super Chronic: Gubbo: the new guy (Elliot Wolf?)

I expect they'll go hard after Seattle's John Schneider, who grew up a Packers fan and used to work in the Green Bay FO. Schneider is under contract, though -- I'm not sure if there is a precedent for trading a GM, though coaches have been traded before (e.g., Jon Gruden, plus the semi-voluntary Bill Belichick "trade" where the Jets were awarded a Patriots draft pick for tampering).

Not sure who would negotiate a GM trade from either side, though, since that's normally the GM's job.

He has said that he doesn't have an out in his contract for Green Bay. But, if the Packers can argue that it's a promotion, the Seahawks can't block him. The trick to that would be convincing the league that since Schneider shares personnel decision with Carroll, that becoming a GM with full control would be a promotion.

/and also him wanting to join the Packers, I guess that would still have to be part of it


That's interesting.

There would be much wailing and gnashing of teeth in Seattle if Schneider bolted, but I don't think it would be such a bad thing. He built the Super Bowl team with his 2010-2012 drafts but since 2012 he has drafted exactly one Pro Bowler (and a marginal one at that, KR Tyler Lockett). One can rightly question how much of that early drafting acumen belonged to Schneider and how much was from Scot McCloughan, who was in the FO at the time.
 
2018-01-02 04:38:07 PM  

Super Chronic: Gubbo: Super Chronic: Gubbo: the new guy (Elliot Wolf?)

I expect they'll go hard after Seattle's John Schneider, who grew up a Packers fan and used to work in the Green Bay FO. Schneider is under contract, though -- I'm not sure if there is a precedent for trading a GM, though coaches have been traded before (e.g., Jon Gruden, plus the semi-voluntary Bill Belichick "trade" where the Jets were awarded a Patriots draft pick for tampering).

Not sure who would negotiate a GM trade from either side, though, since that's normally the GM's job.

He has said that he doesn't have an out in his contract for Green Bay. But, if the Packers can argue that it's a promotion, the Seahawks can't block him. The trick to that would be convincing the league that since Schneider shares personnel decision with Carroll, that becoming a GM with full control would be a promotion.

/and also him wanting to join the Packers, I guess that would still have to be part of it

That's interesting.

There would be much wailing and gnashing of teeth in Seattle if Schneider bolted, but I don't think it would be such a bad thing. He built the Super Bowl team with his 2010-2012 drafts but since 2012 he has drafted exactly one Pro Bowler (and a marginal one at that, KR Tyler Lockett). One can rightly question how much of that early drafting acumen belonged to Schneider and how much was from Scot McCloughan, who was in the FO at the time.


It'll either be Eliot Wolf, Brian Gutekunst, or Russ Ball. I'd bet my next paycheck they stay 100% in-house
 
2018-01-02 04:41:53 PM  

xaks: It'll either be Eliot Wolf, Brian Gutekunst, or Russ Ball. I'd bet my next paycheck they stay 100% in-house


Lots of 'in the know' money is on Russ Ball. My understanding is that he's a finance guy who's current job is negotiating contracts. I think I'd prefer my GM to be more on the football scouting side than the business side.
 
2018-01-02 08:59:08 PM  
According to Spotrac.com, the Packers were:

$7.8 million under the cap in 2014
$9.6 million under the cap in 2015
$8.2 million under the cap in 2016
$7.9 million under the cap in 2017

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-​p​ackers/cap/2017/

That is par the course for competitive teams in the NFL, when the cap has ranged from $142 million in 2014 to $175 million this year.  Teams have to give themselves a little breathing space of $7 m to $10m during the season to sign emergency players.

I don't understand the Farkers complaining about the lack of huge free agent signings -- they didn't have the cap space to make any.  If Rodgers doesn't get hurt this year they likely would have a good chance at another Super Bowl.  I don't mean this to be an attack, but so many online Packer's fans seem spoiled by success.
 
2018-01-02 09:17:19 PM  

Brokenseas: According to Spotrac.com, the Packers were:

$7.8 million under the cap in 2014
$9.6 million under the cap in 2015
$8.2 million under the cap in 2016
$7.9 million under the cap in 2017

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-p​ackers/cap/2017/

That is par the course for competitive teams in the NFL, when the cap has ranged from $142 million in 2014 to $175 million this year.  Teams have to give themselves a little breathing space of $7 m to $10m during the season to sign emergency players.

I don't understand the Farkers complaining about the lack of huge free agent signings -- they didn't have the cap space to make any.  If Rodgers doesn't get hurt this year they likely would have a good chance at another Super Bowl.  I don't mean this to be an attack, but so many online Packer's fans seem spoiled by success.


They have the offense with Rodgers to get close every year (see last year when he single handedly carried the team to the Conference game). With an even league average defense....

That's the problem we have. The defense just isn't good enough to compete, and hasn't been for a long time, and fans (while its amazing to watch AR be epic in the last 5 minutes) would rather just win some nice easy ones.

Basically we're the Saints (before this year of course)
 
2018-01-02 09:17:40 PM  

Brokenseas: According to Spotrac.com, the Packers were:

$7.8 million under the cap in 2014
$9.6 million under the cap in 2015
$8.2 million under the cap in 2016
$7.9 million under the cap in 2017

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-p​ackers/cap/2017/

That is par the course for competitive teams in the NFL, when the cap has ranged from $142 million in 2014 to $175 million this year.  Teams have to give themselves a little breathing space of $7 m to $10m during the season to sign emergency players.

I don't understand the Farkers complaining about the lack of huge free agent signings -- they didn't have the cap space to make any.  If Rodgers doesn't get hurt this year they likely would have a good chance at another Super Bowl.  I don't mean this to be an attack, but so many online Packer's fans seem spoiled by success.


Cap space talk is irrelevant without fully discussing the worth of each player vs. their compensation. A GM could theoretically give most of the money to one or two players which would prevent signing other key players from the team or free agency.
 
2018-01-02 10:46:21 PM  

Gubbo: Brokenseas: According to Spotrac.com, the Packers were:

$7.8 million under the cap in 2014
$9.6 million under the cap in 2015
$8.2 million under the cap in 2016
$7.9 million under the cap in 2017

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-p​ackers/cap/2017/

That is par the course for competitive teams in the NFL, when the cap has ranged from $142 million in 2014 to $175 million this year.  Teams have to give themselves a little breathing space of $7 m to $10m during the season to sign emergency players.

I don't understand the Farkers complaining about the lack of huge free agent signings -- they didn't have the cap space to make any.  If Rodgers doesn't get hurt this year they likely would have a good chance at another Super Bowl.  I don't mean this to be an attack, but so many online Packer's fans seem spoiled by success.

They have the offense with Rodgers to get close every year (see last year when he single handedly carried the team to the Conference game). With an even league average defense....

That's the problem we have. The defense just isn't good enough to compete, and hasn't been for a long time, and fans (while its amazing to watch AR be epic in the last 5 minutes) would rather just win some nice easy ones.

Basically we're the Saints (before this year of course)


Andrew Brandt (former Player Personnel director with Green Bay, AND former Agent...of Aaron Rodgers) has gone on record talking about the Vegas lines.

No player...not Brady, not Big Ben, not Brees, NOBODY...moves the lines like A A Ron does.

If you're at a book and the news comes across that Aaron is out for a game, you can literally watch the line for that game swing 9-12 points in a matter of minutes. One guy.

Noone in football betting history has come *close*. The first few games Brady missed back in the Matt Cassel era were 7ish points IIRC, and Ben & Drew are 5/6ish
 
2018-01-03 12:50:04 AM  

Deece: Now if we can gey a head coach that believes in the running game


Not sure if you have actually been watching the same Packers that I have. His insistence on running the ball has cost the Packers game after game, especially in the playoffs - the games that matter.

Even if Rodgers wasn't injured and the Packers made the playoffs, they wouldn't be going far with the crappy defense that they have.
 
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