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2018-01-02 11:00:47 AM  
I'm taking it to the next-level Silicon Valley-wise by microdosing Snausages.
 
2018-01-02 11:21:44 AM  
Fatkins.
 
2018-01-02 11:28:20 AM  
I've found a fair bit of success with Keto, 12lbs down so far.

The best method is to not overdo it on the meat, eat lots of good fats and low-carb veg, and intermittent fast regularly.
 
2018-01-02 11:38:25 AM  
Any diet that asks you to cut out a specific macronutrient entirely or almost entirely is a junk science sham and is going to fail.

The reason you lose weight doing diets like this is the very reason they don't work. You're damaging your metabolism by going into starvation mode, thereby making it harder for you to lose weight in the long run.

Want to lose weight?

Lower your calorie intake and exercise. There's no secret.
 
2018-01-02 11:48:47 AM  
Bacon Trifecta in play.
 
2018-01-02 12:02:12 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Any diet that asks you to cut out a specific macronutrient entirely or almost entirely is a junk science sham and is going to fail.

The reason you lose weight doing diets like this is the very reason they don't work. You're damaging your metabolism by going into starvation mode, thereby making it harder for you to lose weight in the long run.

Want to lose weight?

Lower your calorie intake and exercise. There's no secret.


To be fair, keto doesn't say to completely cut out carbs, it suggests lowering them and changing what foods you get your carbs from.

Just try getting to 50g carbs with green leafy veggies and cauliflower without being stuffed from the fiber content. You can blow that limit away easily with grains and receive very little fiber in return.

The idea behind keto is that you'll feel more satisfied with good fats and fiber and it stabilizes blood sugar, allowing you to naturally stay within your daily caloric limit. I still calorie count and found keto made it much easier to stay within my limits.
 
2018-01-02 12:26:01 PM  
I predict a massive rise in kidney stone diagnoses in northern California starting in 2025.
 
2018-01-02 12:26:12 PM  
The primary advantage of keto diets is it makes snacking far more difficult. Other than jerky, how many low-carb foods can you keep in a desk drawer for a week?

/no I don't diet.
 
2018-01-02 12:32:30 PM  
A nutritionist once told me something:

Any diet that has a name doesn't work.
 
2018-01-02 12:34:26 PM  
WHO calls for 40g a day.  So seems like Keto is not so much a diet as maybe just "the way" to eat.
 
2018-01-02 12:35:08 PM  

sigdiamond2000: A nutritionist once told me something:

Any diet that has a name doesn't work.


A diet once told me a nutritionist with a mantra is a Sith, as only a Sith believes in absolutes. Your move, dicklicker.
 
2018-01-02 12:38:53 PM  

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: A diet once told me a nutritionist with a mantra is a Sith, as only a Sith believes in absolutes. Your move, dicklicker.


Isn't somebody who thinks that only Sith deal in absolutes engaging in thinking in absolutes?

/it's sith all the way down
 
2018-01-02 12:39:06 PM  

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: sigdiamond2000: A nutritionist once told me something:

Any diet that has a name doesn't work.

A diet once told me a nutritionist with a mantra is a Sith, as only a Sith believes in absolutes. Your move, dicklicker.


I surrender!
 
2018-01-02 12:39:57 PM  
My wife does this, which basically means we end up cooking for only ourselves since I'm a skinny fark and thus require a "eat all carbs in sight lest you waste away" diet. Well, I also have young kids so they eat all the starchy stuff that I cook.
 
2018-01-02 12:41:08 PM  

natazha: The primary advantage of keto diets is it makes snacking far more difficult. Other than jerky, how many low-carb foods can you keep in a desk drawer for a week?

/no I don't diet.


Nuts are the obvious one
 
2018-01-02 12:53:42 PM  
Bacon is great, but beware.

Some of that supermarket crap has so much sugar used for 'curing' its hardly low-carb anymore.  Meat flavored candy.

/but the straw that broke the camel's back was them adding glycerin to pad the weight. Bacon will slowly, naturally, break down and partially become glycerin over time.  You don't add it from the start unless you are greedy bastards
 
2018-01-02 12:54:20 PM  
Keto is not starvation mode. It's keto mode. Starvation mode is when you try to get by on limited calories of mostly carbohydrates, then the body drops caloric expenditure and doesn't tap the fat reserve in case the trickle of carbs finally cuts off.

Ancestrally, carbs were rare. We are geared to binge on them in season, where the first food preservation method gets applied. The rest of the time, greens as available and what small game/seafood could be caught. Big game are relatively recent meat piles, as are stored grains.
 
2018-01-02 12:56:14 PM  

natazha: The primary advantage of keto diets is it makes snacking far more difficult. Other than jerky, how many low-carb foods can you keep in a desk drawer for a week?

/no I don't diet.


You haven't read the label on the jerky packaging, have you? The popular stuff tends to have as much sugar as candy bars.
 
2018-01-02 12:59:28 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Any diet that asks you to cut out a specific macronutrient entirely or almost entirely is a junk science sham and is going to fail.


This is 100% true, which is why most proponents of diets like keto recommend merely limiting your carbohydrate intake instead of eliminating it entirely.
 
2018-01-02 01:07:34 PM  

Wonktnod: diets like keto recommend merely limiting your carbohydrate intake


Why?

What is the scientific basis for thinking limiting carbs (more or less so than limiting fat or calories) will promote greater weight loss?

Serious question. I've never had someone explain this to me without citing assumptions about cavemen.
 
2018-01-02 01:08:42 PM  

natazha: The primary advantage of keto diets is it makes snacking far more difficult. Other than jerky, how many low-carb foods can you keep in a desk drawer for a week?

/no I don't diet.


Well, there's pork rinds.

Actually I also use unsweetened baker's chocolate as a snack, or as food to carry on a trip.  It tastes fine.  Just consider it different than the milk chocolate you are use to.  Its also concentrated, so eat it slow and have some fluids while you chew
 
2018-01-02 01:15:03 PM  

sigdiamond2000: What is the scientific basis for thinking limiting carbs (more or less so than limiting fat or calories) will promote greater weight loss?


Eat less carbs, you excrete less insulin.  Insulin is a hormone that can promote fat storage.

/Insulin also can crash your blood sugar and make you hungry sooner
 
2018-01-02 01:27:57 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: sigdiamond2000: What is the scientific basis for thinking limiting carbs (more or less so than limiting fat or calories) will promote greater weight loss?

Eat less carbs, you excrete less insulin.  Insulin is a hormone that can promote fat storage.

/Insulin also can crash your blood sugar and make you hungry sooner


Running a calorie deficit by definition reduces fat mass. "Promoting fat storage" is a meaningless concept with respect to caloric intake. Insulin isn't stopping you from reducing fat mass. Eating more calories than you burn is.
 
2018-01-02 01:32:08 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Vlad_the_Inaner: sigdiamond2000: What is the scientific basis for thinking limiting carbs (more or less so than limiting fat or calories) will promote greater weight loss?

Eat less carbs, you excrete less insulin.  Insulin is a hormone that can promote fat storage.

/Insulin also can crash your blood sugar and make you hungry sooner

Running a calorie deficit by definition reduces fat mass. "Promoting fat storage" is a meaningless concept with respect to caloric intake. Insulin isn't stopping you from reducing fat mass. Eating more calories than you burn is.


Insulin is a hormone that regulates the storage of fat. You asked for a scientific basis, there it is. Interesting that you would dismiss it so quickly. This has absolutely nothing to do with the paleo diet.
 
2018-01-02 01:33:08 PM  
I'm not trying to be a dick, I just don't understand why people think they need to jump through all these weird hoops to lose weight. You'd be better off literally jumping through hoops.
 
2018-01-02 01:37:33 PM  

Wonktnod: sigdiamond2000: Vlad_the_Inaner: sigdiamond2000: What is the scientific basis for thinking limiting carbs (more or less so than limiting fat or calories) will promote greater weight loss?

Eat less carbs, you excrete less insulin.  Insulin is a hormone that can promote fat storage.

/Insulin also can crash your blood sugar and make you hungry sooner

Running a calorie deficit by definition reduces fat mass. "Promoting fat storage" is a meaningless concept with respect to caloric intake. Insulin isn't stopping you from reducing fat mass. Eating more calories than you burn is.

Insulin is a hormone that regulates the storage of fat. You asked for a scientific basis, there it is. Interesting that you would dismiss it so quickly. This has absolutely nothing to do with the paleo diet.


Yeah, but I'm asking what that has to do with weight loss. That fat has to come from somewhere (i.e., calories). Insulin doesn't create fat. Eating more calories than you burn does.
 
2018-01-02 01:44:22 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Vlad_the_Inaner: sigdiamond2000: What is the scientific basis for thinking limiting carbs (more or less so than limiting fat or calories) will promote greater weight loss?

Eat less carbs, you excrete less insulin.  Insulin is a hormone that can promote fat storage.

/Insulin also can crash your blood sugar and make you hungry sooner

Running a calorie deficit by definition reduces fat mass. "Promoting fat storage" is a meaningless concept with respect to caloric intake. Insulin isn't stopping you from reducing fat mass. Eating more calories than you burn is.


Insulin is required to transport the calories into the fat cell.  Less insulin, the harder it is to store fat

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-​r​eleases/nih-study-shows-how-insulin-st​imulates-fat-cells-take-glucose
 
2018-01-02 01:46:33 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: sigdiamond2000: What is the scientific basis for thinking limiting carbs (more or less so than limiting fat or calories) will promote greater weight loss?

Eat less carbs, you excrete less insulin.  Insulin is a hormone that can promote fat storage.

/Insulin also can crash your blood sugar and make you hungry sooner


Except insulin isn't the only time you store fat and low carb diets produce insulin just as regular diets do. https://weightology.net/insulin-a​n-und​eserved-bad-reputation/
 
2018-01-02 01:46:51 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: sigdiamond2000: Vlad_the_Inaner: sigdiamond2000: What is the scientific basis for thinking limiting carbs (more or less so than limiting fat or calories) will promote greater weight loss?

Eat less carbs, you excrete less insulin.  Insulin is a hormone that can promote fat storage.

/Insulin also can crash your blood sugar and make you hungry sooner

Running a calorie deficit by definition reduces fat mass. "Promoting fat storage" is a meaningless concept with respect to caloric intake. Insulin isn't stopping you from reducing fat mass. Eating more calories than you burn is.

Insulin is required to transport the calories into the fat cell.  Less insulin, the harder it is to store fat

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-r​eleases/nih-study-shows-how-insulin-st​imulates-fat-cells-take-glucose


The energy has to go somewhere. If you put it in your pie hole, it's either burned or turned into fat.
 
2018-01-02 01:51:12 PM  

shortymac: sigdiamond2000: Any diet that asks you to cut out a specific macronutrient entirely or almost entirely is a junk science sham and is going to fail.

The reason you lose weight doing diets like this is the very reason they don't work. You're damaging your metabolism by going into starvation mode, thereby making it harder for you to lose weight in the long run.

Want to lose weight?

Lower your calorie intake and exercise. There's no secret.

To be fair, keto doesn't say to completely cut out carbs, it suggests lowering them and changing what foods you get your carbs from.

Just try getting to 50g carbs with green leafy veggies and cauliflower without being stuffed from the fiber content. You can blow that limit away easily with grains and receive very little fiber in return.

The idea behind keto is that you'll feel more satisfied with good fats and fiber and it stabilizes blood sugar, allowing you to naturally stay within your daily caloric limit. I still calorie count and found keto made it much easier to stay within my limits.


WRONG. The goal of the diet is to be in Ketosis. WTF do you think keto stands for?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis​
 
2018-01-02 01:51:19 PM  
Everything you guys are saying about the function of insulin is true. But it still doesn't have anything to do with losing fat mass. Low insulin levels don't make you lose fat mass. Burning more calories than you eat does.

And regardless, "fat" doesn't make you fat. Calories do. And low insulin levels don't make the calories you eat "disappear."
 
2018-01-02 01:53:47 PM  

sigdiamond2000: I'm not trying to be a dick, I just don't understand why people think they need to jump through all these weird hoops to lose weight. You'd be better off literally jumping through hoops.


Because something that gets lost in the discussion is the ease of diets.  Frankly, once your body adjusts to low carb, you don't get hunger pangs that promote binge eating.  Sure. theoretically you could eat 5 lbs of bacon in a sitting.  But in reality, you don't feel like doing that.  Meanwhile, carbs can promote binge eating, with millions of years of evolution screaming in your genes: "Look at those calories just sitting there.  You'll want to save those for next winter"

So in short.  Its because it is easier to majorly avoid carbs than to willpower a fraction of them away.
 
2018-01-02 01:54:54 PM  

sigdiamond2000: I'm not trying to be a dick, I just don't understand why people think they need to jump through all these weird hoops to lose weight. You'd be better off literally jumping through hoops.


They want a short cut that's "easy." For most it's easier to avoid a group of foods completely rather than reduce calories by paying attention to your caloric intake.
 
2018-01-02 01:57:53 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Because something that gets lost in the discussion is the ease of diets.


I think I'd be more willing to accept that if there was actual evidence that low-carb diets work long term. But there isn't. At least, not that I know of.
 
2018-01-02 01:59:04 PM  

max_pooper: The energy has to go somewhere. If you put it in your pie hole, it's either burned or turned into fat.


You eat 2000 calories of charcoal, which a calorimeter can prove has calories.  Where you you think they will go?

/Kidneys spare excess glucose better than ketones.  But really the effect on low carb, is you just don't feel like putting more calories in your piehole as much.
 
2018-01-02 02:02:01 PM  
So THIS is how they plan to keep Jews out of good paying tech jobs.
 
2018-01-02 02:05:35 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Vlad_the_Inaner: Because something that gets lost in the discussion is the ease of diets.

I think I'd be more willing to accept that if there was actual evidence that low-carb diets work long term. But there isn't. At least, not that I know of.


If you mean 'long term' as into resume eating carbs ad-Librium as before  after hitting a target weight, that's not the point.  Its not an intervention.  Its a life style.  Lots of people do alternating cycles through it on purpose.   But its not a once and done thing.
 
2018-01-02 02:07:30 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: sigdiamond2000: Vlad_the_Inaner: Because something that gets lost in the discussion is the ease of diets.

I think I'd be more willing to accept that if there was actual evidence that low-carb diets work long term. But there isn't. At least, not that I know of.

If you mean 'long term' as into resume eating carbs ad-Librium as before  after hitting a target weight, that's not the point.  Its not an intervention.  Its a life style.  Lots of people do alternating cycles through it on purpose.   But its not a once and done thing.


sounds like a cult
 
2018-01-02 02:11:20 PM  

J.R. 'Bob' Chinaski: Vlad_the_Inaner: sigdiamond2000: Vlad_the_Inaner: Because something that gets lost in the discussion is the ease of diets.

I think I'd be more willing to accept that if there was actual evidence that low-carb diets work long term. But there isn't. At least, not that I know of.

If you mean 'long term' as into resume eating carbs ad-Librium as before  after hitting a target weight, that's not the point.  Its not an intervention.  Its a life style.  Lots of people do alternating cycles through it on purpose.   But its not a once and done thing.

sounds like a cult


What was the give away?

1. Opposing critical thinking
2. Isolating members and penalizing them for leaving
3. Emphasizing special doctrines outside scripture
4. Seeking inappropriate loyalty to their leaders
5. Dishonoring the family unit
6. Crossing Biblical boundaries of behavior (versus sexual purity and personal ownership)
7. Separation from the Church
 
2018-01-02 02:14:45 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: J.R. 'Bob' Chinaski: Vlad_the_Inaner: sigdiamond2000: Vlad_the_Inaner: Because something that gets lost in the discussion is the ease of diets.

I think I'd be more willing to accept that if there was actual evidence that low-carb diets work long term. But there isn't. At least, not that I know of.

If you mean 'long term' as into resume eating carbs ad-Librium as before  after hitting a target weight, that's not the point.  Its not an intervention.  Its a life style.  Lots of people do alternating cycles through it on purpose.   But its not a once and done thing.

sounds like a cult

What was the give away?

1. Opposing critical thinking
2. Isolating members and penalizing them for leaving
3. Emphasizing special doctrines outside scripture
4. Seeking inappropriate loyalty to their leaders
5. Dishonoring the family unit
6. Crossing Biblical boundaries of behavior (versus sexual purity and personal ownership)
7. Separation from the Church


sounds like what a cult member would bring up when someone mentions cult.
 
2018-01-02 02:26:06 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: max_pooper: The energy has to go somewhere. If you put it in your pie hole, it's either burned or turned into fat.

You eat 2000 calories of charcoal, which a calorimeter can prove has calories.  Where you you think they will go?


The same place other calories go.
 
2018-01-02 02:31:58 PM  

sigdiamond2000: A nutritionist once told me something:

Any diet that has a name doesn't work.


In fairness, anyone can call themselves a nutritionist. The accredited profession that people go to school for to learn about diet is "dietitian".
 
2018-01-02 02:38:28 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Everything you guys are saying about the function of insulin is true. But it still doesn't have anything to do with losing fat mass. Low insulin levels don't make you lose fat mass. Burning more calories than you eat does.

And regardless, "fat" doesn't make you fat. Calories do. And low insulin levels don't make the calories you eat "disappear."


I thought it was that the body processes carbs before it processes fats when making energy.  If you have fewer carbs to burn through, the body is going to start burning the fat for fuel, which leads to a reduction of fat (as long as you are eating less fat then your body burns during a day).

/Understands that I am probably going to be called an idiot
//I'm a calories in, calories out + exercise kind of person
 
2018-01-02 02:39:11 PM  
Silicon Valley didn't reinvent shiat.  They just discovered something that even TFA acknowledges 'dates back to the 1920s'.  Which is great, if it works for them.  Personally, I've had great luck with keto.  But they can fark right off if they start calling it the Silicon Valley Diet or some bs like that.
 
2018-01-02 02:44:12 PM  

machoprogrammer: Vlad_the_Inaner: max_pooper: The energy has to go somewhere. If you put it in your pie hole, it's either burned or turned into fat.

You eat 2000 calories of charcoal, which a calorimeter can prove has calories.  Where you you think they will go?

The same place other calories go.


If I eat charcoal, it goes right out the pooper undigested.  You different?

/yes, there are OTC stomach remedies that involve ingesting charcoal
 
2018-01-02 02:48:51 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: machoprogrammer: Vlad_the_Inaner: max_pooper: The energy has to go somewhere. If you put it in your pie hole, it's either burned or turned into fat.

You eat 2000 calories of charcoal, which a calorimeter can prove has calories.  Where you you think they will go?

The same place other calories go.

If I eat charcoal, it goes right out the pooper undigested.  You different?

/yes, there are OTC stomach remedies that involve ingesting charcoal


If you absorb the calories, they go anywhere else they do. You can gain fat on a high-fat, low-carb diet. Contrary to what keto culters believe, your body doesn't need an insulin spike to store fat and you can get an insulin spike from protein, too.
 
2018-01-02 02:57:11 PM  
I hate that Keto is called a diet, or any plan which outlines what to eat. It's a lifestyle change. Once you hit your target weight, you don't go back to old eating habits.

I do a modified Keto plan, in that I still eat beans and whole wheat bread, but otherwise no sugar or highly processed foods. Since 2015, I've lost 50 pounds and have kept it off. I eat lots of protein and fatty foods, and don't miss the large amount of sugar I used to consume.

I feel that sigdiamond2000 is just being argumentative at this point. Calories in/calories out is not that simple. Yes, I can eat McDonald's all day and if I reduce the calories, I should lose weight. The problem is McDonald's or other junk food aren't filling enough, so good luck trying to stick to calorie counting. I did Keto, never counted calories, and lost weight.

Who the fark has the patience to count calories all the time?
 
2018-01-02 03:00:38 PM  

machoprogrammer: Vlad_the_Inaner: machoprogrammer: Vlad_the_Inaner: max_pooper: The energy has to go somewhere. If you put it in your pie hole, it's either burned or turned into fat.

You eat 2000 calories of charcoal, which a calorimeter can prove has calories.  Where you you think they will go?

The same place other calories go.

If I eat charcoal, it goes right out the pooper undigested.  You different?

/yes, there are OTC stomach remedies that involve ingesting charcoal

If you absorb the calories, they go anywhere else they do. You can gain fat on a high-fat, low-carb diet. Contrary to what keto culters believe, your body doesn't need an insulin spike to store fat and you can get an insulin spike from protein, too.

"The energy has to go somewhere. If you put it in your pie hole, it's either burned or turned into fat.

"

The theoretical charcoal goes in your piehole. Live by the false-dichotomy, die by the false-dichotomy.

All calories are not created equal, which the charcoal is an extreme example of, to prove a point.
 
2018-01-02 03:10:19 PM  

sigdiamond2000: I'm not trying to be a dick, I just don't understand why people think they need to jump through all these weird hoops to lose weight. You'd be better off literally jumping through hoops.


There's no hoops, you just eat less carbs. You cut out junkfood and start eating real food while still enjoying tasty meat. It's a lot simpler to follow than counting your calories all the time.
 
2018-01-02 03:11:19 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Any diet that asks you to cut out a specific macronutrient entirely or almost entirely is a junk science sham and is going to fail.

The reason you lose weight doing diets like this is the very reason they don't work. You're damaging your metabolism by going into starvation mode, thereby making it harder for you to lose weight in the long run.


Keto isn't simply about losing weight. It's about burning fat before you burn anything else. So you lose fat faster. It definitely does not put you into starvation mode, because there's nothing about the keto diet that requires you to cut down calories.
 
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