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(The Hill)   Nixon 'might have survived Watergate scandal if there'd been a Fox News'   ( thehill.com) divider line
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2018-01-02 08:51:16 AM  
Another way of putting that is, "Nixon would have survived Watergate if the country was as desperately divided, stratified, and farked up as it is now." And yeah, he probably would have, because despite everything, Nixon still had more scruples than Trump, and that's saying something.
 
2018-01-02 08:54:58 AM  
Only Nixon could go to China.
 
2018-01-02 08:56:35 AM  
We've covered this before.  Roger Ailes went to Nixon and proposed a conservative news network to him.  He just didn't get to start it until the 90's.
 
2018-01-02 09:00:53 AM  
Yeah, and my mom would have watched it.
 
2018-01-02 09:09:54 AM  
I feel a poem coming on...
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Richard Nixon

did some fixin'

.

to try to satisfy our nation

and the voter's expectation

.

Donald Trump need do nothing at all

so that his poll numbers do not fall

.

nothing he does has any implications

because his base has been trained to have no expectations

.

Burma Shave

 
2018-01-02 09:12:29 AM  
Would this Nixonian-era Fox News be bound by the fairness doctrine?
 
2018-01-02 09:38:25 AM  
If there had been no Fox News, Trump would have never been elected in the first place.
 
2018-01-02 09:53:15 AM  
That's a scary f*cking thought...Trump might get away with everything because of that propaganda network.
 
2018-01-02 09:53:39 AM  

Sgygus: Would this Nixonian-era Fox News be bound by the fairness doctrine?


"The doctrine did not require equal time for opposing views but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented."

Dumb talking point is dumb.
 
2018-01-02 09:54:34 AM  
Hitler would have died peacefully in his florida vacation home if there'd been a Fox News.
 
2018-01-02 09:55:02 AM  

actualhuman: Sgygus: Would this Nixonian-era Fox News be bound by the fairness doctrine?

"The doctrine did not require equal time for opposing views but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented."

Dumb talking point is dumb.


FoxNews isn't really big on presenting contrasting viewpoints.
 
2018-01-02 09:55:14 AM  
I apologize in advance if I took that wrong. I just reflexively assume anyone still talking about the fairness doctrine is retarded.
 
2018-01-02 09:56:09 AM  

Archidude: actualhuman: Sgygus: Would this Nixonian-era Fox News be bound by the fairness doctrine?

"The doctrine did not require equal time for opposing views but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented."

Dumb talking point is dumb.

FoxNews isn't really big on presenting contrasting viewpoints.


They have their paper liberals on. They pass the fairness doctrine. They would be being shiatty and disingenuous about it but they pass.
 
2018-01-02 09:57:04 AM  
That'd be why dictators have state-run media.
 
2018-01-02 09:57:13 AM  

Psychopusher: Another way of putting that is, "Nixon would have survived Watergate if the country was as desperately divided, stratified, and farked up as it is now." And yeah, he probably would have, because despite everything, Nixon still had more scruples than Trump, and that's saying something.


Which says the same thing. The reason America is as divided as it is, is directly because of rightwing propaganda operations, which exist solely to sow discord and muddy the waters from legitimate fact-based journalism.
 
2018-01-02 09:57:55 AM  
Fox News is a major cause of our country's problems. They spin so much that people who listen to them keep having to radically shift their values just to keep up. Which is another way of saying they no longer have values. They just have blind worship and Trump has shown that any creep can be the object of that worship if right-wing media says so. They are conditioned to be slaves and not citizens.
 
2018-01-02 09:58:05 AM  
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...really?

You know ANYTHING about Nixon?  He hated media completely.
 
2018-01-02 09:58:22 AM  
If my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle, banned from the military.
 
2018-01-02 09:58:28 AM  
That's the reason why Fox News was created.
 
2018-01-02 10:01:36 AM  

Archidude: FoxNews isn't really big on presenting contrasting viewpoints.


But "both sides" is a central tenet to their their shtick. On this side we have an ugly, old, liberal whackjob claiming that Trump should be impeached for possibly colluding with Russia, and on this side we have a beautiful right-wing blonde woman who wants to know why Obama and Hillary aren't in jail for colluding to sell uranium to Russia. The former gets shouted over by the host and the latter is replayed again and again throughout the day. Both sides are presented! You decide!
 
2018-01-02 10:04:21 AM  

Ambivalence: If there had been no Fox News, Trump would have never been elected in the first place.


Or CBS
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Azz [TotalFark]
2018-01-02 10:05:18 AM  

KiwDaWabbit: If my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle, banned from the military.


That's not necessarily true. They could be a trans woman and still your aunt.

Transgender people can serve as of yesterday.
 
2018-01-02 10:05:39 AM  
I think the more interesting and relevant thought experiment is - would the early 1900's antitrust laws have ever been implemented with a media as conglomerated as the one we have now?

We're facing a similar level of inequality and have a much more unified media in the hands of the wealthy.
 
2018-01-02 10:06:22 AM  

rjakobi: [img.fark.net image 360x282]
...really?

You know ANYTHING about Nixon?  He hated media completely.


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2018-01-02 10:06:55 AM  
It wouldn't have worked in the Nixon era. People still paid attention to the handful of news outlets.

It took years expanding cable and talk radio sources to pave the way for Fox.
 
2018-01-02 10:06:55 AM  

Azz: KiwDaWabbit: If my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle, banned from the military.

That's not necessarily true. They could be a trans woman and still your aunt.

Transgender people can serve as of yesterday.


Well, it was a joke. And, yes, even though this is so, the Trumpers will probably find another way to ruin it.
 
2018-01-02 10:13:13 AM  
What they thought [was that] because what they were doing was purely political, and trying to minimize the impact of this blundered break-in at the Watergate, they had no criminal intent

If someone has to explain to you that "Trying to obstruct an investigation into a crime is obstruction of justice" then your brain is a special kind of partisan-encrusted stupid.
 
2018-01-02 10:14:55 AM  
After Nixon resigned, Republicans said "Never again!"

Some sap thought that meant they'd never again elect a corrupt President.

/poor sap
 
Azz [TotalFark]
2018-01-02 10:16:35 AM  

KiwDaWabbit: Azz: KiwDaWabbit: If my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle, banned from the military.

That's not necessarily true. They could be a trans woman and still your aunt.

Transgender people can serve as of yesterday.

Well, it was a joke. And, yes, even though this is so, the Trumpers will probably find another way to ruin it.


Apologies. My sarcasm meter needs retuning =]
 
2018-01-02 10:17:31 AM  
People forget that before he founded Fox News, Ailes was the svengali behind the rise of Rush Limbaugh
as a national figure.  His experience getting Limbaugh syndicated was his dress rehearsal for Fox.
 
2018-01-02 10:18:42 AM  

Psychopusher: Another way of putting that is, "Nixon would have survived Watergate if the country was as desperately divided, stratified, and farked up as it is now." And yeah, he probably would have, because despite everything, Nixon still had more scruples than Trump, and that's saying something.


Is Nixon even in the top five of worst presidents?
 
2018-01-02 10:20:31 AM  
I wonder how many of the really serious problems facing our country can be traced to Fox News in some way or another?

I'm not in favor of censorship or killing businesses because they don't agree with politics, but would our country be a better place without Fox News? I think so.

Sadly, that cat is long out of the bag.
 
2018-01-02 10:22:34 AM  

Azz: KiwDaWabbit: Azz: KiwDaWabbit: If my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle, banned from the military.

That's not necessarily true. They could be a trans woman and still your aunt.

Transgender people can serve as of yesterday.

Well, it was a joke. And, yes, even though this is so, the Trumpers will probably find another way to ruin it.

Apologies. My sarcasm meter needs retuning =]


No worries. Serious business this is not.

As for the topic at hand, what does "surviving" look like? Finishing out his term? Ford did that, and the Democrats were able to take the White House for an incredible four out of the next sixteen years. Why yes, he had to resign his position, but he assuredly got away with it. No jail time and a comfortable twenty year retirement.
 
2018-01-02 10:27:45 AM  
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2018-01-02 10:30:10 AM  

Sgygus: Would this Nixonian-era Fox News be bound by the fairness doctrine?


Why yes it would have. And thus, could not broadcast about 96%** of their current content.


** I'm giving Shepard Smith a pass since he's been pretty neutral to outright honest when Trump's concerned. He's like their token non-liar. Probably has dirt on all the guys who are gay at Fox and still in the closet, so they leave him alone.
 
2018-01-02 10:30:30 AM  
I don't really see Fox News surviving Trump.
 
2018-01-02 10:32:48 AM  

thismomentinblackhistory: I don't really see Fox News surviving Trump.


Honestly, it shouldn't survive due to the terrible stunted social behavior it seems to encourage. I'm not a female, but I seriously can't fathom how you could be female and support that channel in any capacity.
 
2018-01-02 10:32:51 AM  

Trivia Jockey: That's a scary f*cking thought...Trump might get away with everything because of that propaganda network.


That's what I am afraid of too, after spending xmas with a bunch of boomer Trumpers, some more liberal than others, they seem to be blaming all his issues on others within his administration than with everyone else.

They aren't asking themselves why Trump has surrounded himself with all these nutjobs and corrupt people...
 
2018-01-02 10:32:52 AM  
Trump loses in 2020 to a Democrat do they pardon him officially or just say he lost that's enough let's move forward and put this behind us?
 
2018-01-02 10:36:19 AM  

spongeboob: Trump loses in 2020 to a Democrat do they pardon him officially or just say he lost that's enough let's move forward and put this behind us?


If they're smart, just let the courts take care of it and keep their own views out of it.

That goes for 2018 as well. Focus on fixing the sh*t that's broken, and *making the case to the American People why* ...
 
2018-01-02 10:36:44 AM  

thismomentinblackhistory: I don't really see Fox News surviving Trump.


I worry about Fox not surviving because I see two things.
First America One or Trump News takes it's place and goes farther batshiat.
Second NBC/MSNBC tries to get 'moderate' Fox viewers by moving far right. Sean Hannity will get an hour following Megyn Kelly.
 
JJR
2018-01-02 10:38:51 AM  
90  percent of the media hates Trump. What's the problem?
 
2018-01-02 10:40:44 AM  

Generation_D: Sgygus: Would this Nixonian-era Fox News be bound by the fairness doctrine?

Why yes it would have. And thus, could not broadcast about 96%** of their current content.


** I'm giving Shepard Smith a pass since he's been pretty neutral to outright honest when Trump's concerned. He's like their token non-liar. Probably has dirt on all the guys who are gay at Fox and still in the closet, so they leave him alone.


Actually, I was under the impression that because Fox is a cable channel it wouldn't have been subject to the FD.  Only broadcast news was.
 
2018-01-02 10:44:23 AM  

Generation_D: spongeboob: Trump loses in 2020 to a Democrat do they pardon him officially or just say he lost that's enough let's move forward and put this behind us?

If they're smart, just let the courts take care of it and keep their own views out of it.

That goes for 2018 as well. Focus on fixing the sh*t that's broken, and *making the case to the American People why* ...


Let the courts take care of it
Sure and if there is an appeal on a procedural issue(and there is always an appeal) why waste money dealing with this he is gone from public life that's punishment enough
And if Trump happens to die his lawyer will file for a judgement of not guilty and then his kids get to keep his estate because he wasn't found guilty


Trump walks on everything, get ready it will happen.
 
2018-01-02 10:45:54 AM  

Tor_Eckman: Actually, I was under the impression that because Fox is a cable channel it wouldn't have been subject to the FD. Only broadcast news was.



There was a brief and glorious time before 1984 that even though cable wasn't subject to broadcast regulations, it none the less followed many of them. Lucky for us Reagan's FCC sorted all that out by getting a 5-4 Supreme Court to agree with it in 1984 that it was no longer needed.
 
2018-01-02 10:49:50 AM  

spongeboob: Trump loses in 2020 to a Democrat do they pardon him officially or just say he lost that's enough let's move forward and put this behind us?


If a Democrat wins, the election is fake and void (especially if Republicans still control House and Senate).

Constitutional crisis upcoming.
 
2018-01-02 10:55:04 AM  

wooden_badger: spongeboob: Trump loses in 2020 to a Democrat do they pardon him officially or just say he lost that's enough let's move forward and put this behind us?

If a Democrat wins, the election is fake and void (especially if Republicans still control House and Senate).

Constitutional crisis upcoming.


If Democrats win the House, Senate and Presidency will Trump's supporters turn violent because of the invalid election?
 
2018-01-02 11:03:49 AM  

rjakobi: [img.fark.net image 360x282][View Full Size image _x_]
...really?
You know ANYTHING about Nixon?  He hated media completely

.

"GOP Public Relations Department" is not the same thing as "media."
 
2018-01-02 11:08:07 AM  
Russiagate is Watergate on steroids. That the man is still in office demonstrates that our republic is catastrophically failing.

We have every reason to believe this man is a kompromat puppet of an enemy despot. And instead of rising above partisanship for the sake of the nation, the right has literally decided they'd rather be ruled from abroad via a flunky in the White House than by the people they hate on the progressive left at home.

Constitutional crisis is coming?

It is already upon us. It began November 8, 2016. It continues every day Trump occupies the oval office.
 
2018-01-02 11:08:46 AM  

Archidude: actualhuman: Sgygus: Would this Nixonian-era Fox News be bound by the fairness doctrine?

"The doctrine did not require equal time for opposing views but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented."

Dumb talking point is dumb.

FoxNews isn't really big on presenting contrasting viewpoints.


Sure they do. They got mild racists AND virulent racists.
 
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