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2018-01-01 09:38:43 PM  
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2018-01-02 12:10:02 AM  
Obviously more Deep State projection.
 
2018-01-02 12:39:05 AM  
I blame JFK.
 
2018-01-02 12:45:23 AM  
This is banana-republic-type stuff.

Does that mean that at least bananas are going to get cheaper?
 
2018-01-02 03:25:52 AM  
Wow, I knew I forgot to pick up something today.

/ Tin foil, lots and lots of it
 
2018-01-02 03:28:15 AM  
"Why Trump's War on the Deep State Is Failing-So Far"

You mean he's so inept he's losing a fight against an imaginary opponent?
 
2018-01-02 03:32:55 AM  
So this is trump, only losing:
Angry Birds movie - Red vs Billy the sign
Youtube F0p2hRcoeWg
 
2018-01-02 03:53:36 AM  
Strange, liberals keep forgetting Obama is no longer in office.
 
2018-01-02 03:55:05 AM  
I feel like the calls are coming from inside the house.
 
2018-01-02 03:57:48 AM  

randomjsa: Strange, liberals keep forgetting Obama is no longer in office.


Can't even be bothered to post the wanking motion gif for this.
 
2018-01-02 04:03:20 AM  

gunsmack: Wow, I knew I forgot to pick up something today.

/ Tin foil, lots and lots of it


Which needs tinfoil, the headline or the article?
 
2018-01-02 04:07:36 AM  

randomjsa: Strange, liberals keep forgetting Obama is no longer in office.


Please retire.  You're not any good at this schtick.   It's painful to watch someone struggling so badly all the time.  Really, it's okay, we'll be all right.  There's about two hundred other people on Fark that are already doing what you're doing, but better.  Thank you for your efforts towards making Fark as banal as anywhere else on the internet tweens congregate, but it's really past time for this to stop.
 
2018-01-02 04:11:51 AM  
TL;DR version:
1) You really should go read the whole thing
2) Despite all his attempts to corrupt the government of these United States into his own sick image, he has essentially failed thus far
3) The damage so far is bad but not irreparable: the institutional firewalls that exist within our government against shiatstains like him are up, and holding. Trump's own cowardice and monumental incompetence are the main things preventing him from defeating these firewalls.
4) The damage will get critical and the firewalls will rot from the inside, eventually, if normality and normal operating conditions are not restored. Like the CDC in Walking Dead, emergency lockdown can only go on so long before things break.

TL;DR of the TL;DR: "Hurry the f*** up, Mueller, it's not clear how much longer the emergency protocols are going to hold for."
 
2018-01-02 04:18:46 AM  
Can someone replace the goddamn White House chandelier with a farking pinata??  Just keep him occupied
 
2018-01-02 04:36:50 AM  
You make my case for me better than I could, randomjsa.  There it is, folks.  As described.  This isn't first string fark performance artistry, or even second string.  This is someone with a bullet point list of talking points that hurls them in random order against a wall, hoping that something happens, but realizing that even if it did, you wouldn't recognize it, because the whole of it is a little past you, anyway.
 
2018-01-02 04:41:45 AM  

randomjsa: Strange, liberals keep forgetting Obama is no longer in office.


Hillary lost. Get over it.
 
2018-01-02 04:42:32 AM  
We would be naive to think that Trump is the reason for all of this. He's not that bright. Or that ambitious to remake the US. The people behind him on the other hand are. And they're willing to do anything to attain and maintain power. Trump is just trying to keep his ass out of prison and the poorhouse. Make a few bucks along the way. And feed his ego on his adoring fans. The players behind the scenes the Mercers,Kochs and even Gen Kelly and the GOP leaders are all a part of a plan to establish a permanent or as close to a permanent rule as they can. Big monied interests are backing them. And they have the evangelicals working for them too. Not to mention Russia. The news networks,oil companies.defense contractors ,Wall st banks aren't our friends in this fight either.
 
2018-01-02 04:44:25 AM  
Just curious (looking for some YouTube entertainment) - ya know how right at first "The Colbert Report" was taken seriously by several right-wing pundits and their supporters (enough so that Colbert was invited to host the White House correspondent's dinner, reportedly fooling Bush with expectations of far less scathing, sardonic humor).... Is there a similar show or voice in this age?  Any searches I've been doing just result in all the different late night  host's stuff - but since they're all obviously bashing d2s, there's no fun.... Not like how it used to be.... :(
 
2018-01-02 04:53:10 AM  

VOCSL5: Just curious (looking for some YouTube entertainment) - ya know how right at first "The Colbert Report" was taken seriously by several right-wing pundits and their supporters (enough so that Colbert was invited to host the White House correspondent's dinner, reportedly fooling Bush with expectations of far less scathing, sardonic humor).... Is there a similar show or voice in this age?  Any searches I've been doing just result in all the different late night  host's stuff - but since they're all obviously bashing d2s, there's no fun.... Not like how it used to be.... :(


President Caligula transcends satire. Anything ridiculous one could say about him pales in comparison to the vanity, ignorance, incompetence, and self-centered narcissism of the real deal. When people make fun of America around the world, Trump is the image that's presented. The world is grasping for descriptors that actually fit- much less exceed- his characteristics. He's like the Plato's form of the Ugly American.
 
2018-01-02 04:58:18 AM  
Yeah but it was really cold one day, so there's no global warming, keep him in office.
 
2018-01-02 05:01:37 AM  
So for right now, at least, my impression is that the tangible damage from Trump is likely substantial but also likely reparable with time and decent government of either the political right or the political left.

I am decidedly less confident about our ability to weather a less tangible form of damage Trump is doing-that is to say the damage of which he has shown proof of concept.


As much as I want to go all "your blog sucks" I actually agree with the author to a pretty large extent. Trump's outbursts and actions are damaging and embarrassing, yes, but hardly the sorts of the things that will bring down the republic. He will be booted from office and his Democrat replacement will right the ship, just as has happened with every failed Republican presidency since the 1970s.

This idea of a 'proof of concept' of the overreaching executive is not new though. W Bush was guilty of this same thing in the fear and paranoia-fuelled times of the post-9/11 era, and I would argue that his excesses were far worse constitutionally than anything Trump has done so far. Insulting the FBI and CIA is one thing; but having those same agencies literally torture people in secret 'black sites' is altogether worse. It should scare all Americans that there were no prosecutions, let alone investigations, into the torture. We basically said that kidnapping, torture, and even murder (in the form of drone strikes) by the US government is a valid activity and can be done unilaterally by the executive.
 
2018-01-02 05:12:02 AM  

Shaggy_C: This idea of a 'proof of concept' of the overreaching executive is not new though. W Bush was guilty of this same thing in the fear and paranoia-fuelled times of the post-9/11 era, and I would argue that his excesses were far worse constitutionally than anything Trump has done so far. Insulting the FBI and CIA is one thing; but having those same agencies literally torture people in secret 'black sites' is altogether worse. It should scare all Americans that there were no prosecutions, let alone investigations, into the torture. We basically said that kidnapping, torture, and even murder (in the form of drone strikes) by the US government is a valid activity and can be done unilaterally by the executive.


William Burroughs summed it up nicely - if you can get people mad and shiat-scared enough, they'll go along with anything. And fear and rage are easy emotions for monkeys to process - when anything not clearly understood appears, primate rage and terror are the Weenerss you normally get out of humans.
 
2018-01-02 05:36:30 AM  

jso2897: when anything not clearly understood appears, primate rage and terror are the Weenerss you normally get out of humans.


I... I'm not quite sure I want to make a joke about my weener being nicknamed rage and terror.

And having two is flat out.
 
2018-01-02 05:49:49 AM  

randomjsa: Strange, liberals keep forgetting Obama is no longer in office.


1/10 for form, 2/10 style, I live with my mom originality

Easily the worst trolling I've seen in a while
 
2018-01-02 05:59:14 AM  

Shaggy_C: So for right now, at least, my impression is that the tangible damage from Trump is likely substantial but also likely reparable with time and decent government of either the political right or the political left.

I am decidedly less confident about our ability to weather a less tangible form of damage Trump is doing-that is to say the damage of which he has shown proof of concept.

As much as I want to go all "your blog sucks" I actually agree with the author to a pretty large extent. Trump's outbursts and actions are damaging and embarrassing, yes, but hardly the sorts of the things that will bring down the republic. He will be booted from office and his Democrat replacement will right the ship, just as has happened with every failed Republican presidency since the 1970s.

This idea of a 'proof of concept' of the overreaching executive is not new though. W Bush was guilty of this same thing in the fear and paranoia-fuelled times of the post-9/11 era, and I would argue that his excesses were far worse constitutionally than anything Trump has done so far. Insulting the FBI and CIA is one thing; but having those same agencies literally torture people in secret 'black sites' is altogether worse. It should scare all Americans that there were no prosecutions, let alone investigations, into the torture. We basically said that kidnapping, torture, and even murder (in the form of drone strikes) by the US government is a valid activity and can be done unilaterally by the executive.


He will be booted from office and his Democrat replacement will right the ship, just as has happened with every failed Republican presidency since the 1970s.

FTFY
 
2018-01-02 06:14:06 AM  

erik-k: TL;DR version:
1) You really should go read the whole thing
2) Despite all his attempts to corrupt the government of these United States into his own sick image, he has essentially failed thus far
3) The damage so far is bad but not irreparable: the institutional firewalls that exist within our government against shiatstains like him are up, and holding. Trump's own cowardice and monumental incompetence are the main things preventing him from defeating these firewalls.
4) The damage will get critical and the firewalls will rot from the inside, eventually, if normality and normal operating conditions are not restored. Like the CDC in Walking Dead, emergency lockdown can only go on so long before things break.

TL;DR of the TL;DR: "Hurry the f*** up, Mueller, it's not clear how much longer the emergency protocols are going to hold for."


Stop projecting partisan political motives onto the Mueller investigation. Its purpose is not "manufacture an excuse to remove Trump".
 
2018-01-02 06:41:44 AM  
Is the Obvious tag still hungover from New Year's Eve ?
 
2018-01-02 06:57:54 AM  

qorkfiend: erik-k: TL;DR version:
1) You really should go read the whole thing
2) Despite all his attempts to corrupt the government of these United States into his own sick image, he has essentially failed thus far
3) The damage so far is bad but not irreparable: the institutional firewalls that exist within our government against shiatstains like him are up, and holding. Trump's own cowardice and monumental incompetence are the main things preventing him from defeating these firewalls.
4) The damage will get critical and the firewalls will rot from the inside, eventually, if normality and normal operating conditions are not restored. Like the CDC in Walking Dead, emergency lockdown can only go on so long before things break.

TL;DR of the TL;DR: "Hurry the f*** up, Mueller, it's not clear how much longer the emergency protocols are going to hold for."

Stop projecting partisan political motives onto the Mueller investigation. Its purpose is not "manufacture an excuse to remove Trump".


I'm not implying that he would or should do such. His job is to investigate the Russian interference with the 2016 election, wherever it might lead. And as he is the legally authorized investigator into the matter, I will consider his conclusion binding even if I don't like it (absent, naturally, any signs of blatant foul play). I'm happy to let the GOPers have a monopoly on special counsel/prosecutor fishing expeditions trying to manufacture any excuse.

HOWEVER, as a matter of casual conversation, there are certain widely believed hypotheses about what Mueller has found which are supported by a large body of publicly known circumstancial evidence... and if a tenthpart of these suspicions are correct, the removal of Trump from office is not a matter of partisan politicking, it is a maximally urgent matter of national security (mind that well more than a tenth of the Steele dossier is confirmed).

And that matter gets more and more urgent as time goes on. Hence the now common imputation every time Trump finds a new normality to shiat all over that Mueller hurry up.

Virtually nobody saying that is suggesting that he manufacture anything. We expect that the natural course of the investigation will produce plenty damning evidence, but we also think it would be optimal for Mueller to assemble that evidence while we still have a recognizable, functioning, law-based government.
 
2018-01-02 07:26:11 AM  
Pakistan is having a security meeting to figure out how to deal with us.
 
2018-01-02 07:31:10 AM  

Catlenfell: Pakistan is having a security meeting to figure out how to deal with us.


It's Pakistan.... the country that his Bin Laden and sheltered the Taliban... and just open fired on Indian troops across it's border.  And still gets billions of aid from us... the aid is about to vanish.
 
2018-01-02 07:35:54 AM  

randomjsa: Strange, liberals keep forgetting Obama is no longer in office.


Foxnews.com has over 100 articles referencing Obama in the past year alone. Now I'm really on the fence about voting for this Obama guy.

https://www.google.com/search?q=site:​f​oxnews.com+%22obama%22&num=30&newwindo​w=1&tbs=qdr:y&ei=xntLWsjoBsyr0gKEpJegD​w&start=0&sa=N&biw=1296&bih=652
 
2018-01-02 07:39:38 AM  

Hobodeluxe: We would be naive to think that Trump is the reason for all of this. He's not that bright. Or that ambitious to remake the US. The people behind him on the other hand are. And they're willing to do anything to attain and maintain power. Trump is just trying to keep his ass out of prison and the poorhouse. Make a few bucks along the way. And feed his ego on his adoring fans. The players behind the scenes the Mercers,Kochs and even Gen Kelly and the GOP leaders are all a part of a plan to establish a permanent or as close to a permanent rule as they can. Big monied interests are backing them. And they have the evangelicals working for them too. Not to mention Russia. The news networks,oil companies.defense contractors ,Wall st banks aren't our friends in this fight either.


fark them all, especially General Kelly.  He disgraces his son's memory.
 
2018-01-02 07:47:44 AM  

The Lizard People: VOCSL5: Just curious (looking for some YouTube entertainment) - ya know how right at first "The Colbert Report" was taken seriously by several right-wing pundits and their supporters (enough so that Colbert was invited to host the White House correspondent's dinner, reportedly fooling Bush with expectations of far less scathing, sardonic humor).... Is there a similar show or voice in this age?  Any searches I've been doing just result in all the different late night  host's stuff - but since they're all obviously bashing d2s, there's no fun.... Not like how it used to be.... :(

President Caligula transcends satire. Anything ridiculous one could say about him pales in comparison to the vanity, ignorance, incompetence, and self-centered narcissism of the real deal. When people make fun of America around the world, Trump is the image that's presented. The world is grasping for descriptors that actually fit- much less exceed- his characteristics. He's like the Plato's form of the Ugly American.


While all true, I was kinda hoping maybe something has been created by another country - live or animated (I don't know why, but I'd expect animated).

I thought I'd heard of something in China or South Korea, but since I can't remember, I thought I'd ask.

Oh! The points you've brought up triggered a memory of some kind of print/comic/web comic satire.....

Ah well.... Thanks anyway
 
2018-01-02 07:48:53 AM  

Shaggy_C: So for right now, at least, my impression is that the tangible damage from Trump is likely substantial but also likely reparable with time and decent government of either the political right or the political left.

I am decidedly less confident about our ability to weather a less tangible form of damage Trump is doing-that is to say the damage of which he has shown proof of concept.

As much as I want to go all "your blog sucks" I actually agree with the author to a pretty large extent. Trump's outbursts and actions are damaging and embarrassing, yes, but hardly the sorts of the things that will bring down the republic. He will be booted from office and his Democrat replacement will right the ship, just as has happened with every failed Republican presidency since the 1970s.

This idea of a 'proof of concept' of the overreaching executive is not new though. W Bush was guilty of this same thing in the fear and paranoia-fuelled times of the post-9/11 era, and I would argue that his excesses were far worse constitutionally than anything Trump has done so far. Insulting the FBI and CIA is one thing; but having those same agencies literally torture people in secret 'black sites' is altogether worse. It should scare all Americans that there were no prosecutions, let alone investigations, into the torture. We basically said that kidnapping, torture, and even murder (in the form of drone strikes) by the US government is a valid activity and can be done unilaterally by the executive.


Both administrations are horrible and the Bush admin should have been (and still should be) prosecuted for their crimes but at least the Bush admin tried. They at least put effort into their lies and criminal concealment. Team Trump doesn't even try to hide it. It's like the difference between the crook that breaks into your house when your not home and steals your TV versus the crook that just walks out the front door with it while you watch and flips you the bird as he leaves. I mean both are equally as wrong but you just feel worse about when it's so obviously blatant.
 
2018-01-02 07:50:42 AM  

spooky.action: randomjsa: Strange, liberals keep forgetting Obama is no longer in office.

Foxnews.com has over 100 articles referencing Obama in the past year alone. Now I'm really on the fence about voting for this Obama guy.

https://www.google.com/search?q=site:f​oxnews.com+%22obama%22&num=30&newwindo​w=1&tbs=qdr:y&ei=xntLWsjoBsyr0gKEpJegD​w&start=0&sa=N&biw=1296&bih=652


Sorry typo...over *300* articles.
 
2018-01-02 07:54:55 AM  

Shaggy_C: So for right now, at least, my impression is that the tangible damage from Trump is likely substantial but also likely reparable with time and decent government of either the political right or the political left.

I am decidedly less confident about our ability to weather a less tangible form of damage Trump is doing-that is to say the damage of which he has shown proof of concept.

As much as I want to go all "your blog sucks" I actually agree with the author to a pretty large extent. Trump's outbursts and actions are damaging and embarrassing, yes, but hardly the sorts of the things that will bring down the republic. He will be booted from office and his Democrat replacement will right the ship, just as has happened with every failed Republican presidency since the 1970s.

This idea of a 'proof of concept' of the overreaching executive is not new though. W Bush was guilty of this same thing in the fear and paranoia-fuelled times of the post-9/11 era, and I would argue that his excesses were far worse constitutionally than anything Trump has done so far. Insulting the FBI and CIA is one thing; but having those same agencies literally torture people in secret 'black sites' is altogether worse. It should scare all Americans that there were no prosecutions, let alone investigations, into the torture. We basically said that kidnapping, torture, and even murder (in the form of drone strikes) by the US government is a valid activity and can be done unilaterally by the executive.


A key difference is that W. et. al. at least pretended like what they were doing was constitutional and within normal bounds of government action. I disagree, but they at least said that. Trump just believes he should be able to do whatever he wants and doesn't care about constitutionality or tradition.

I honestly believe that's a pretty important distinction even if the former was a key precursor to the latter.
 
2018-01-02 08:05:11 AM  

giantmeteor: Shaggy_C: So for right now, at least, my impression is that the tangible damage from Trump is likely substantial but also likely reparable with time and decent government of either the political right or the political left.

I am decidedly less confident about our ability to weather a less tangible form of damage Trump is doing-that is to say the damage of which he has shown proof of concept.

As much as I want to go all "your blog sucks" I actually agree with the author to a pretty large extent. Trump's outbursts and actions are damaging and embarrassing, yes, but hardly the sorts of the things that will bring down the republic. He will be booted from office and his Democrat replacement will right the ship, just as has happened with every failed Republican presidency since the 1970s.

This idea of a 'proof of concept' of the overreaching executive is not new though. W Bush was guilty of this same thing in the fear and paranoia-fuelled times of the post-9/11 era, and I would argue that his excesses were far worse constitutionally than anything Trump has done so far. Insulting the FBI and CIA is one thing; but having those same agencies literally torture people in secret 'black sites' is altogether worse. It should scare all Americans that there were no prosecutions, let alone investigations, into the torture. We basically said that kidnapping, torture, and even murder (in the form of drone strikes) by the US government is a valid activity and can be done unilaterally by the executive.

He will be booted from office and his Democrat replacement will right the ship, just as has happened with every failed Republican presidency since the 1970s.

FTFY


Except that some of the damage already done will take years, if not decades, to fix, and lately our government hasn't been good at thinking and planning beyond the next election cycle.

If nothing else, Donald Trump has severely damaged our standing on the world stage. Other nations have become accustomed to the idea that every 4 years or so our foreign policy is going to shift a bit, but they could usually rely on the career diplomats and our State Department to make sure things chug along reasonably smoothly. Trump has shown the world that we are capable of electing an incompetent buffoon to the top office in the nation. When the next (hopefully reasonably sane) President tries to negotiate with a foreign power over something important, that foreign power is likely to say, "that sounds good, but what happens when you elect another Trump and he or she scuttles what we've just worked out?"

We've lost a great deal of stature, gravitas, and importance on the world stage, because we are no longer reliable. We cannot be counted on to be there for our allies, and we will have to spend decades rebuilding that trust.
 
2018-01-02 08:11:45 AM  

carlb: If nothing else, Donald Trump has severely damaged our standing on the world stage. Other nations have become accustomed to the idea that every 4 years or so our foreign policy is going to shift a bit, but they could usually rely on the career diplomats and our State Department to make sure things chug along reasonably smoothly. Trump has shown the world that we are capable of electing an incompetent buffoon to the top office in the nation. When the next (hopefully reasonably sane) President tries to negotiate with a foreign power over something important, that foreign power is likely to say, "that sounds good, but what happens when you elect another Trump and he or she scuttles what we've just worked out?"


I thought there was a degree of that already, in that Congressional Republicans could decide to disregard agreements made.  But yeah, it's far worse now.
 
2018-01-02 08:13:43 AM  

eiger: A key difference is that W. et. al. at least pretended like what they were doing was constitutional and within normal bounds of government action. I disagree, but they at least said that. Trump just believes he should be able to do whatever he wants and doesn't care about constitutionality or tradition.


Yes, but in what ways is he actually guilty of overreach in the same regard? At this point he's been involved in some mild obstruction of justice and has a few troubling conflicts of interest, but he's hardly used the government to exact political revenge on perceived enemies, or worse, kidnapped and tortured foreigners and murdered American citizens because they were associated with terrorist groups.

I think the most troubling abuse of power we've seen from Trump may actually be in the economic arena, where he's pushed the DoJ to block the AT&T/Time Warner merger for no other reason than because he doesn't like CNN. That is a serious abuse of power and cuts to the very core of our idea of property rights, that a government can arbitrarily block a vertical merger between two companies when their competition has done the exact same thing without a batted eye just a few years prior.  The lawsuit is so specious that every single state attorney general approached to join in outright refused.
 
2018-01-02 08:23:11 AM  

Odin's Other Eye: randomjsa: Strange, liberals keep forgetting Obama is no longer in office.

Can't even be bothered to post the wanking motion gif for this.

Seriously. That was weak.
 
2018-01-02 08:26:33 AM  

randomjsa: Strange, liberals keep forgetting Obama is no longer in office.


If only, Randysjw, if only.
 
2018-01-02 08:27:44 AM  

Shaggy_C: eiger: A key difference is that W. et. al. at least pretended like what they were doing was constitutional and within normal bounds of government action. I disagree, but they at least said that. Trump just believes he should be able to do whatever he wants and doesn't care about constitutionality or tradition.

Yes, but in what ways is he actually guilty of overreach in the same regard? At this point he's been involved in some mild obstruction of justice and has a few troubling conflicts of interest, but he's hardly used the government to exact political revenge on perceived enemies, or worse, kidnapped and tortured foreigners and murdered American citizens because they were associated with terrorist groups.

I think the most troubling abuse of power we've seen from Trump may actually be in the economic arena, where he's pushed the DoJ to block the AT&T/Time Warner merger for no other reason than because he doesn't like CNN. That is a serious abuse of power and cuts to the very core of our idea of property rights, that a government can arbitrarily block a vertical merger between two companies when their competition has done the exact same thing without a batted eye just a few years prior.  The lawsuit is so specious that every single state attorney general approached to join in outright refused.


But AT$T came back and sucked Trump's Tax Plan cock and backed the lie of "Tax plan so great we are giving our employees a 1000 dollar bonus on money we have not even earned yet".

The bonus, had already been negotiated by the union...
 
2018-01-02 08:29:44 AM  

Alphax: carlb: If nothing else, Donald Trump has severely damaged our standing on the world stage. Other nations have become accustomed to the idea that every 4 years or so our foreign policy is going to shift a bit, but they could usually rely on the career diplomats and our State Department to make sure things chug along reasonably smoothly. Trump has shown the world that we are capable of electing an incompetent buffoon to the top office in the nation. When the next (hopefully reasonably sane) President tries to negotiate with a foreign power over something important, that foreign power is likely to say, "that sounds good, but what happens when you elect another Trump and he or she scuttles what we've just worked out?"

I thought there was a degree of that already, in that Congressional Republicans could decide to disregard agreements made.  But yeah, it's far worse now.


They have already done that.
http://billmoyers.com/2015/03/17/real​-​story-behind-republicans-iran-letter/
 
2018-01-02 09:29:12 AM  

Shaggy_C: This idea of a 'proof of concept' of the overreaching executive is not new though. W Bush was guilty of this same thing in the fear and paranoia-fuelled times of the post-9/11 era, and I would argue that his excesses were far worse constitutionally than anything Trump has done so far. Insulting the FBI and CIA is one thing; but having those same agencies literally torture people in secret 'black sites' is altogether worse. It should scare all Americans that there were no prosecutions, let alone investigations, into the torture. We basically said that kidnapping, torture, and even murder (in the form of drone strikes) by the US government is a valid activity and can be done unilaterally by the executive.


It took awhile for the torture to come to light. Who knows what atrocities Trump is authorizing? As small the moral compass of the Bush administration, Trump's is far smaller. Whatever he's doing, we won't find out about it until later, but America will bear  the blame for it.
 
2018-01-02 09:40:51 AM  

Corn_Fed: Shaggy_C: This idea of a 'proof of concept' of the overreaching executive is not new though. W Bush was guilty of this same thing in the fear and paranoia-fuelled times of the post-9/11 era, and I would argue that his excesses were far worse constitutionally than anything Trump has done so far. Insulting the FBI and CIA is one thing; but having those same agencies literally torture people in secret 'black sites' is altogether worse. It should scare all Americans that there were no prosecutions, let alone investigations, into the torture. We basically said that kidnapping, torture, and even murder (in the form of drone strikes) by the US government is a valid activity and can be done unilaterally by the executive.

It took awhile for the torture to come to light. Who knows what atrocities Trump is authorizing? As small the moral compass of the Bush administration, Trump's is far smaller. Whatever he's doing, we won't find out about it until later, but America will bear  the blame for it.


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2018-01-02 09:53:40 AM  
If it's not the 'deep state' , it's HIlary, or Obama or fake media or climate change hoax or the humidity or lesbians or dark people or ....
 
2018-01-02 10:02:14 AM  

dwrash: Corn_Fed: Shaggy_C: This idea of a 'proof of concept' of the overreaching executive is not new though. W Bush was guilty of this same thing in the fear and paranoia-fuelled times of the post-9/11 era, and I would argue that his excesses were far worse constitutionally than anything Trump has done so far. Insulting the FBI and CIA is one thing; but having those same agencies literally torture people in secret 'black sites' is altogether worse. It should scare all Americans that there were no prosecutions, let alone investigations, into the torture. We basically said that kidnapping, torture, and even murder (in the form of drone strikes) by the US government is a valid activity and can be done unilaterally by the executive.

It took awhile for the torture to come to light. Who knows what atrocities Trump is authorizing? As small the moral compass of the Bush administration, Trump's is far smaller. Whatever he's doing, we won't find out about it until later, but America will bear  the blame for it.

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Oh look, a dumb rightwinger!
 
2018-01-02 10:14:39 AM  

Corn_Fed: dwrash: Corn_Fed: Shaggy_C: This idea of a 'proof of concept' of the overreaching executive is not new though. W Bush was guilty of this same thing in the fear and paranoia-fuelled times of the post-9/11 era, and I would argue that his excesses were far worse constitutionally than anything Trump has done so far. Insulting the FBI and CIA is one thing; but having those same agencies literally torture people in secret 'black sites' is altogether worse. It should scare all Americans that there were no prosecutions, let alone investigations, into the torture. We basically said that kidnapping, torture, and even murder (in the form of drone strikes) by the US government is a valid activity and can be done unilaterally by the executive.

It took awhile for the torture to come to light. Who knows what atrocities Trump is authorizing? As small the moral compass of the Bush administration, Trump's is far smaller. Whatever he's doing, we won't find out about it until later, but America will bear  the blame for it.

[i.imgflip.com image 380x285]

Oh look, a dumb rightwinger!


No.. a realist.  One who sees when someone is unhinged.
 
2018-01-02 10:26:47 AM  

dwrash: Corn_Fed: dwrash: Corn_Fed: Shaggy_C: This idea of a 'proof of concept' of the overreaching executive is not new though. W Bush was guilty of this same thing in the fear and paranoia-fuelled times of the post-9/11 era, and I would argue that his excesses were far worse constitutionally than anything Trump has done so far. Insulting the FBI and CIA is one thing; but having those same agencies literally torture people in secret 'black sites' is altogether worse. It should scare all Americans that there were no prosecutions, let alone investigations, into the torture. We basically said that kidnapping, torture, and even murder (in the form of drone strikes) by the US government is a valid activity and can be done unilaterally by the executive.

It took awhile for the torture to come to light. Who knows what atrocities Trump is authorizing? As small the moral compass of the Bush administration, Trump's is far smaller. Whatever he's doing, we won't find out about it until later, but America will bear  the blame for it.

[i.imgflip.com image 380x285]

Oh look, a dumb rightwinger!

No.. a realist.  One who sees when someone is unhinged.


Oh look, the little rightwinger is blathering some more!
 
2018-01-02 10:34:22 AM  

Corn_Fed: dwrash: Corn_Fed: dwrash: Corn_Fed: Shaggy_C: This idea of a 'proof of concept' of the overreaching executive is not new though. W Bush was guilty of this same thing in the fear and paranoia-fuelled times of the post-9/11 era, and I would argue that his excesses were far worse constitutionally than anything Trump has done so far. Insulting the FBI and CIA is one thing; but having those same agencies literally torture people in secret 'black sites' is altogether worse. It should scare all Americans that there were no prosecutions, let alone investigations, into the torture. We basically said that kidnapping, torture, and even murder (in the form of drone strikes) by the US government is a valid activity and can be done unilaterally by the executive.

It took awhile for the torture to come to light. Who knows what atrocities Trump is authorizing? As small the moral compass of the Bush administration, Trump's is far smaller. Whatever he's doing, we won't find out about it until later, but America will bear  the blame for it.

[i.imgflip.com image 380x285]

Oh look, a dumb rightwinger!

No.. a realist.  One who sees when someone is unhinged.

Oh look, the little rightwinger is blathering some more!


My point still stands...

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