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(Ars Technica)   Geniuses with drones will be why the rest of us can't have nice things   ( arstechnica.com) divider line
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2017-12-31 10:56:53 AM  
Hitting the return button and not paying attention to the flight home doesn't seem to bright.
 
2017-12-31 10:57:54 AM  
Well subby, you try and maintain real time awareness of TFRs and see how easy that is.

His big mistake, per The Rules, was not having it in his line of site at all times.
 
2017-12-31 11:19:20 AM  
Vyacheslav Tantashov

Yeh, he works for the FSB.
 
2017-12-31 11:35:07 AM  

Slaxl: Vyacheslav Tantashov

Yeh, he works for the FSB.


Sikorski helicopter?

 Everything is Russian
 
2017-12-31 02:40:35 PM  

vudukungfu: Slaxl: Vyacheslav Tantashov

Yeh, he works for the FSB.

Sikorski helicopter?

 Everything is Russian


Sikorsky is now owned by Lockheed Martin. It is has been a mainstay on the Defense industry for decades.
 
2017-12-31 02:56:34 PM  
Geniuses with drones?! Hah, try psychic remote viewing.
/this post brought to you by Alex Jones, or is it?
 
2017-12-31 03:11:28 PM  
What does a Black Hawk rotor blade cost? $20 grand? More? The drone pilot should (at least)be financially responsible for those damages.
 
2017-12-31 03:13:06 PM  
Id like to know what's gonna happen with the dude.  Collisions with civilian craft is one thing, but collisions with military craft is another. Military don't take kindly to this sorta thing.  Specially when it causes flight operations to be haulted due to said collisions.
 
2017-12-31 03:13:19 PM  

edmo: Well subby, you try and maintain real time awareness of TFRs and see how easy that is.

His big mistake, per The Rules, was not having it in his line of site at all times.


Tfr.faa.gov

/And I can even look it up on my phone
//Tadaa!
///Slashies
 
2017-12-31 03:25:01 PM  
are drones really "nice things?" they seem pretty farking worthless
 
2017-12-31 03:32:03 PM  

moothemagiccow: are drones really "nice things?" they seem pretty farking worthless


Not if you have a shotgun and know how to lead
 
2017-12-31 03:44:08 PM  
Model rocketeers have had to get FAA clearance for larger launches for decades. If you're sharing airspace with helicopters, you should too, and have to deal with ATC.
 
2017-12-31 03:44:26 PM  
Idiot here in COS posts up a "Lost & Found" ad on CL for his Phantom, and shows an address a block from the city airport.

DJI owners are pretty moronic, with few having any concept of FAA regs or rules. (We builders/programmers on the other hand...)
DJI should require buyers to complete FAA training before selling.
 
2017-12-31 03:50:28 PM  
Why does the drone pilot bear all the blame? I guarantee the helicopter pilot isn't getting a pass just because the drone shouldn't have been there. Birds don't obey TFRs either.

The drone pilot was operating the thing outside of his line of sight but, honestly would it have made a difference if he was? A drone pilot sitting on the ground is probably not going to be able to see and evade a helicopter buzzing through.
 
2017-12-31 03:56:38 PM  
So, it was you guys that farking sunk my drone that was on VFR!  You owe me $$$$
 
2017-12-31 03:57:44 PM  

BizarreMan:  to bright.


Maybe he should have turned on the lights.
 
2017-12-31 03:58:38 PM  

ski9600: BizarreMan:  to bright.

Maybe he should have turned on the lights.


I'm a drone on a bee-line to base, you decide.
 
2017-12-31 04:32:26 PM  
A guy in the neighborhood had one. Emphasis had. The second time I saw him fly it he managed to collide it with an installation in the river. It crashed into the river, never to be seen again.
 
2017-12-31 05:01:00 PM  

Voiceofreason01: edmo: Well subby, you try and maintain real time awareness of TFRs and see how easy that is.

His big mistake, per The Rules, was not having it in his line of site at all times.

Tfr.faa.gov

/And I can even look it up on my phone
//Tadaa!
///Slashies


Someone in the ars comments beat you to the tadaa, and it wasn't listed on the site even after the fact.  I doubt the FAA would have known had he called the number, either.

/still no excuse for lack of LoS
 
2017-12-31 05:03:59 PM  
Hmm, sounds like there's more to this story than "he was flying beyond visual range, therefore he is guilty". The FARs require drones to fly below 400' above ground level, but they ALSO require aircraft flying under visual flight rules (the helicopter) to maintain at least 500' above ground level. That 100' between the top of the drone airspace and the bottom of the aircraft airspace is there specifically to maintain vertical separation between the two types of flights. Note that the collision occurred at 274' above the water...i.e., above ground level. Therefore the helicopter pilots look to be at least as much at fault as the drone driver.
 
2017-12-31 05:10:40 PM  
Collision was at 280ft in a populated area; was Rambo in the blackhawk scanning license plates or something? Are baseball players expected to check for flight restrictions before starting a game? Pop flies have been hit higher than 280ft...
 
2017-12-31 05:19:49 PM  

Sugarbombs: Voiceofreason01: edmo: Well subby, you try and maintain real time awareness of TFRs and see how easy that is.

His big mistake, per The Rules, was not having it in his line of site at all times.

Tfr.faa.gov

/And I can even look it up on my phone
//Tadaa!
///Slashies

Someone in the ars comments beat you to the tadaa, and it wasn't listed on the site even after the fact.  I doubt the FAA would have known had he called the number, either.

/still no excuse for lack of LoS


League of Shadows?
 
2017-12-31 05:41:24 PM  

Stone Meadow: Hmm, sounds like there's more to this story than "he was flying beyond visual range, therefore he is guilty". The FARs require drones to fly below 400' above ground level, but they ALSO require aircraft flying under visual flight rules (the helicopter) to maintain at least 500' above ground level. That 100' between the top of the drone airspace and the bottom of the aircraft airspace is there specifically to maintain vertical separation between the two types of flights. Note that the collision occurred at 274' above the water...i.e., above ground level. Therefore the helicopter pilots look to be at least as much at fault as the drone driver.


I'm pretty sure that military aircraft patrolling to secure an area like the UN don't count under the same FAA rules that things like helicopter tours operate under
 
2017-12-31 05:49:48 PM  
How about we don't elect morons who maintain residences in highly populated areas so that the risk of running into a random helicopter is lower?

/also fine the dude
 
2017-12-31 05:52:31 PM  

LoneVVolf: Collision was at 280ft in a populated area; was Rambo in the blackhawk scanning license plates or something? Are baseball players expected to check for flight restrictions before starting a game? Pop flies have been hit higher than 280ft...


Just pick up the goddamn can, citizen!
 
2017-12-31 05:58:04 PM  
Why is he a genius? He sounds more like a moron and a liar. He knew exactly what happened and left the scene.
 
2017-12-31 06:45:29 PM  
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2017-12-31 07:32:39 PM  
I got a drone for Christmas. I have no idea what to do with it.
 
2017-12-31 07:34:52 PM  
So I was trying to read this thread while eating a bag of cashews... conclusions:  you are all nuts.
 
2017-12-31 07:51:41 PM  

some_beer_drinker: I got a drone for Christmas. I have no idea what to do with it.


Take it to a park and fly it around for a bit, realize that it is basically one of those old remote control helicopters that Radio Shack used to sell and then put it in you closet.
 
2017-12-31 07:59:48 PM  

edmo: Well subby, you try and maintain real time awareness of TFRs and see how easy that is.

His big mistake, per The Rules, was not having it in his line of site at all times.


It was 300ft inside TFR. I doubt the helicopter had that precision in flight plan. Was drone pilot at fault? Yep. VLOS is a bag of schyte because it infers that the smaller the drone the more dangerous it is because it leaves VLOS sooner. But at 2.5miles you're no longer aware of the airspace your drone is operating in and therefore you're being dangerous.
 
2017-12-31 08:03:19 PM  

gingerjet: How about we don't elect morons who maintain residences in highly populated areas so that the risk of running into a random helicopter is lower?

/also fine the dude


You didn't read the article, did you?

/How do you not hear a pair of -60s?  Especially over water they're loud as hell.  Guy must not only have been out of sight but a pretty good distance away.  Then again- NYC..
 
2017-12-31 08:05:53 PM  

Stone Meadow: Hmm, sounds like there's more to this story than "he was flying beyond visual range, therefore he is guilty". The FARs require drones to fly below 400' above ground level, but they ALSO require aircraft flying under visual flight rules (the helicopter) to maintain at least 500' above ground level. That 100' between the top of the drone airspace and the bottom of the aircraft airspace is there specifically to maintain vertical separation between the two types of flights. Note that the collision occurred at 274' above the water...i.e., above ground level. Therefore the helicopter pilots look to be at least as much at fault as the drone driver.


But it's fun to fly low and there's was a TFR in place. Have low flying D airspace in Australia that goes to surface. But scariest are private helicopter pilots playing around at or below tree line height in G airspace without NOTAM. Fun to see the climb rate when you inform them on air radio that there's a drone near by, all of a sudden they know where 500'.
 
2017-12-31 08:34:49 PM  
This is why, among many other reasons, we will never have flying cars.  Check regulations, register properly?  <Aintnobodygottimeforthat.jpeg>
 
2017-12-31 08:42:35 PM  
Guy at a national park: Will it ruin anyone's day if I fly this?

Other park visitor a few feet from me: Everyone's.
 
2017-12-31 09:09:31 PM  

Voiceofreason01: What does a Black Hawk rotor blade cost? $20 grand? More? The drone pilot should (at least)be financially responsible for those damages.


They're replaced often for many reasons. He should only be responsible for the amount of time left on the blade...which probably wasn't much.
 
2017-12-31 09:16:29 PM  
Isn't the app mentioned (assuming it's B4UFLY) developed and maintained by the FAA?  Shouldn't they be providing real-time data about airspace restrictions?
 
2017-12-31 09:38:55 PM  
Relax all you barflies...self included
 
2017-12-31 10:21:13 PM  

dv-ous: Model rocketeers have had to get FAA clearance for larger launches for decades. If you're sharing airspace with helicopters, you should too, and have to deal with ATC.


300 feet (about where the collision in TFA occurred) is insanely low. It feels high to people stuck on the ground, but it's actually incredibly low by almost any aeronautical standard. Basic introductory rocket kits (meaning $10-$20 rocket kits) routinely shoot from 500ft to 1000ft. A cheap kite can fly between 200-300 feet, and bigger can go up to 600 feet.  It's also well within the realm of small birds (pigeons can hit 6000 feet), to say nothing of ducks, geese, and other large birds that fly near the water.

I've got no qualms with drone pilot training and licensing, but this collision was *really low*. Nobody thinks its a good idea to get on the phone to ATC every time you want to fly a kite or shoot off a $10 rocket.

Really, the onus is on the manufacturers and pilot professionals, not on random people. I think the most reasonable solution to incidents like the one in TFA is:

1) Strong requirements for high-visibility paint and bright strobe lights on the drones.
2) An enhanced awareness among professional pilots when it comes to where and how people use drones.
3) For larger drones, mandatory integration of ADS-B (where the drone would broadcast its position via radio), which doesn't seem that hard since all of these drones already have GPS onboard.
 
2017-12-31 11:22:53 PM  

gingerjet: How about we don't elect morons


That cart left the barn before the... horse.. not gonna get fooled again

/and did I catch a 'niner' in there?
 
2017-12-31 11:28:47 PM  

Stone Meadow: Hmm, sounds like there's more to this story than "he was flying beyond visual range, therefore he is guilty". The FARs require drones to fly below 400' above ground level, but they ALSO require aircraft flying under visual flight rules (the helicopter) to maintain at least 500' above ground level. That 100' between the top of the drone airspace and the bottom of the aircraft airspace is there specifically to maintain vertical separation between the two types of flights. Note that the collision occurred at 274' above the water...i.e., above ground level. Therefore the helicopter pilots look to be at least as much at fault as the drone driver.


Not bothering actually looking at the map to see where the accident took place but it's not that uncommon to fly low in controlled airspace over water. I haven't done it but I'm pretty sure ATC will direct transient traffic pretty low over the water to keep it out of the congested airspace. I may be wrong but I thought I've heard in the 300-500' range
 
2017-12-31 11:45:48 PM  

some_beer_drinker: I got a drone for Christmas. I have no idea what to do with it.


The nano drones are fun to harass cats and your wife with.
 
2018-01-01 01:13:24 AM  

Stone Meadow: Hmm, sounds like there's more to this story than "he was flying beyond visual range, therefore he is guilty". The FARs require drones to fly below 400' above ground level, but they ALSO require aircraft flying under visual flight rules (the helicopter) to maintain at least 500' above ground level. That 100' between the top of the drone airspace and the bottom of the aircraft airspace is there specifically to maintain vertical separation between the two types of flights. Note that the collision occurred at 274' above the water...i.e., above ground level. Therefore the helicopter pilots look to be at least as much at fault as the drone driver.


Look up FAR 91.119(d). Helicopters can operate below 500' AGL.

The other issue is the TFR. The helos were allowed to operate in that airspace. The drone operator was not.
 
2018-01-01 05:55:09 AM  

mandyer:
/How do you not hear a pair of -60s?  Especially over water they're loud as hell.  Guy must not only have been out of sight but a pretty good distance away.  Then again- NYC..


Judging by the map in TFA the collision happened about 2.5-3 miles from where he was standing.
 
2018-01-01 07:35:28 AM  

Dansker: mandyer:
/How do you not hear a pair of -60s?  Especially over water they're loud as hell.  Guy must not only have been out of sight but a pretty good distance away.  Then again- NYC..

Judging by the map in TFA the collision happened about 2.5-3 miles from where he was standing.


... and it looks like he was on the other side of a heavily trafficked road, so, no, I don't think he would have been able to hear them.

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2018-01-01 01:17:45 PM  

Voiceofreason01: What does a Black Hawk rotor blade cost? $20 grand? More? The drone pilot should (at least)be financially responsible for those damages.


Why didn't the pilots avoid the drone, the US government should pay for the drone.
 
2018-01-01 07:17:11 PM  

Sum Dum Gai: Isn't the app mentioned (assuming it's B4UFLY) developed and maintained by the FAA?  Shouldn't they be providing real-time data about airspace restrictions?


It was the control app from DJI.
 
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