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(Ars Technica)   20 years ago, Microsoft paid $450M for HoTMaiL, which was HTML for email. Or email for HTML. Or whatever the marketing guys wanted to rename it every couple of years thereafter   ( arstechnica.com) divider line
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2017-12-30 06:35:03 AM  
I remember back in the late '90s always diagramming "The Internet" as:

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2017-12-30 06:41:31 AM  

downstairs: I remember back in the late '90s always diagramming "The Internet" as:

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I still do that.  Usually label it "BBI" for Big Bad Internet.
 
2017-12-30 07:59:31 AM  

downstairs: I remember back in the late '90s always diagramming "The Internet" as:

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I still think of that chart symbol whenever someone talks about cloud computing. The cloud stuff started out as in inside joke for IT people. Leave it to marketing and management to take things too literally. Reminds me of the time I convinced a VP to hold up a cable for five minutes so the token didn't fall out of the ring. Good times...
 
2017-12-30 08:01:49 AM  

downstairs: I remember back in the late '90s always diagramming "The Internet" as:

[img.fark.net image 180x110][View Full Size image _x_]


Dude.  It's almost 2018. You should really update that.
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2017-12-30 08:05:06 AM  
And I still have friends that use it as their primary email, even for business.  It's hard to have oldsters for friends, especially ones that are chronologically younger than me.
 
2017-12-30 08:20:24 AM  
Its still my primary email account.
I guess I'm old...
 
2017-12-30 08:23:31 AM  

cherryl taggart: And I still have friends that use it as their primary email, even for business.  It's hard to have oldsters for friends, especially ones that are chronologically younger than me.


I use it primarily as a disposable email account service for websites I visit. Like here, for one.

It's just too janky an interface for regular daily use. On a good day it can take 2-3mins for the logout option to even appear, which sucks ass when in a hurry and don't trust closing the browser to end the session properly.

I also megaloathe the cruddy spam 'filters' that let through seriously dodgy crap, and sometimes junks mails from people I want to hear from.


Also: The Outlook app is even worse. Doesn't show all emails in inbox, no matter what setting one uses.
 
2017-12-30 08:23:47 AM  
The operation of Hotmail gave Microsoft the ultimate "eat your own dog food" experience

I don't know what that means but I suppose it makes sense. I've used a lot of Microsoft products over the years and the experience is a lot like eating dog food. It gets the job done more or less but it isn't very nice at all.
 
2017-12-30 08:29:37 AM  

TwoHead: downstairs: I remember back in the late '90s always diagramming "The Internet" as:

[img.fark.net image 180x110][View Full Size image _x_]

I still think of that chart symbol whenever someone talks about cloud computing. The cloud stuff started out as in inside joke for IT people. Leave it to marketing and management to take things too literally. Reminds me of the time I convinced a VP to hold up a cable for five minutes so the token didn't fall out of the ring. Good times...


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The IT Crowd was absolutely brilliant.  I swear, the writers had to have solicited storylines from people who worked in the industry, because it represents the 90s brilliantly.
 
2017-12-30 08:32:57 AM  
I still have and use my hotmail account.

It's always been my junkmail address for when sites and businesses want me to sign up for something but I don't want them to spam me.

Network Solutions is the absolute worst for that.
 
2017-12-30 09:01:57 AM  

downstairs: I remember back in the late '90s always diagramming "The Internet" as:

[img.fark.net image 180x110]


Precient, considering the Cloud now.

I would have sworn hotmail was earlier than 1996.
 
2017-12-30 09:08:26 AM  

downstairs: I remember back in the late '90s always diagramming "The Internet" as:

[img.fark.net image 180x110]


A tree?
 
2017-12-30 09:16:21 AM  

PainInTheASP: downstairs: I remember back in the late '90s always diagramming "The Internet" as:

[img.fark.net image 180x110][View Full Size image _x_]

Dude.  It's almost 2018. You should really update that.
[img.fark.net image 286x175][View Full Size image _x_]


You must be still thinking in 2017 terms man, the internet evolves faster then you think!   This is the 2018 model of the internet:

img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2017-12-30 09:25:08 AM  

uttertosh: cherryl taggart: And I still have friends that use it as their primary email, even for business.  It's hard to have oldsters for friends, especially ones that are chronologically younger than me.

I use it primarily as a disposable email account service for websites I visit. Like here, for one.

It's just too janky an interface for regular daily use. On a good day it can take 2-3mins for the logout option to even appear, which sucks ass when in a hurry and don't trust closing the browser to end the session properly.

I also megaloathe the cruddy spam 'filters' that let through seriously dodgy crap, and sometimes junks mails from people I want to hear from.


Also: The Outlook app is even worse. Doesn't show all emails in inbox, no matter what setting one uses.


I've used the Outlook app for several years, works fine for me - just turn off the "Focused Inbox" option. There's zero discrepancy between what it shows on my desktop and on my phone.
 
2017-12-30 09:35:06 AM  

BumpInTheNight: PainInTheASP: downstairs: I remember back in the late '90s always diagramming "The Internet" as:

[img.fark.net image 180x110][View Full Size image _x_]

Dude.  It's almost 2018. You should really update that.
[img.fark.net image 286x175][View Full Size image _x_]

You must be still thinking in 2017 terms man, the internet evolves faster then you think!   This is the 2018 model of the internet:

[img.fark.net image 356x256][View Full Size image _x_]


Dad (after watching a DropBox? commercial): What's a cloud?

Me: A service for people that can't plug a disk drive into a router and then setup SFTP.

Aside from sending encrypted disk images for an offsite backup solution as a redundancy, why would one actually rely on a cloud storage service as their primary means of data storage?  Home-based SFTP FTW...Odroid XU4 + Solar Panel + Battery + Hard Drive + Tool Shed = Backup Storage Server...and the same setup inside the house is the best damn emulation setup one can buy before going x86_64.
 
2017-12-30 09:50:59 AM  

Gordon Bennett: The operation of Hotmail gave Microsoft the ultimate "eat your own dog food" experience

I don't know what that means but I suppose it makes sense. I've used a lot of Microsoft products over the years and the experience is a lot like eating dog food. It gets the job done more or less but it isn't very nice at all.


I worked for them during that time. Eat your own dog food was company mantra back then. It basically meant we used the products we made and didn't use outside software for anything. I almost git fired for using Netscape because the early versions of IE were so terrible. I was told EAT IT!
 
2017-12-30 10:00:16 AM  

sammyk: Gordon Bennett: The operation of Hotmail gave Microsoft the ultimate "eat your own dog food" experience

I don't know what that means but I suppose it makes sense. I've used a lot of Microsoft products over the years and the experience is a lot like eating dog food. It gets the job done more or less but it isn't very nice at all.

I worked for them during that time. Eat your own dog food was company mantra back then. It basically meant we used the products we made and didn't use outside software for anything. I almost git fired for using Netscape because the early versions of IE were so terrible. I was told EAT IT!


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2017-12-30 10:16:51 AM  
....I still have mine - the one I got in 1997 - and although I haven't used it in years, I check it monthly and keep it as sort of a In-Case-Of-Fire option.  One weird thing is going in there and seeing email addys from people I knew when it was my primary (almost 15 years ago) and then realizing they're spam emails.
 
2017-12-30 10:24:04 AM  
It's Outlook now.
 
2017-12-30 10:40:46 AM  
# <----- pound, and I will not call it "hash tag"

Also, ! = bang.
 
2017-12-30 10:56:32 AM  
not one hotmale joke
you guys are slipping
 
2017-12-30 11:16:00 AM  
i guess i mustve gotten in quite early. my hotmail account is about 19 years old now. it certainly predates my summer of Ebay sales in 1998. i wonder if there is any way to actually check that, like if they still show something like Fark does with a sign-up date. i'll ... maybe check on that later. maybe.
 
2017-12-30 11:44:25 AM  

boozehat: # <----- pound, and I will not call it "hash tag"

Also, ! = bang.


My people!
 
2017-12-30 11:45:34 AM  

Averam: uttertosh: cherryl taggart: And I still have friends that use it as their primary email, even for business.  It's hard to have oldsters for friends, especially ones that are chronologically younger than me.

I use it primarily as a disposable email account service for websites I visit. Like here, for one.

It's just too janky an interface for regular daily use. On a good day it can take 2-3mins for the logout option to even appear, which sucks ass when in a hurry and don't trust closing the browser to end the session properly.

I also megaloathe the cruddy spam 'filters' that let through seriously dodgy crap, and sometimes junks mails from people I want to hear from.


Also: The Outlook app is even worse. Doesn't show all emails in inbox, no matter what setting one uses.

I've used the Outlook app for several years, works fine for me - just turn off the "Focused Inbox" option. There's zero discrepancy between what it shows on my desktop and on my phone.


it's totally different from the html version for me, and even with focusinbox off, the app refuses to display a whole bunch of emails I keep on my inbox for convenience.  I even took an afternoon off to attempt to get the app to play nice with my preference settings. Still no joy.

the html version also takes an age to load with ad block enabled.
 
2017-12-30 11:46:56 AM  

cherryl taggart: And I still have friends that use it as their primary email, even for business.  It's hard to have oldsters for friends, especially ones that are chronologically younger than me.


Mcavity: Its still my primary email account.
I guess I'm old...


*shrug* I still use a Yahoo account as my primary e-mail. The wife uses a Hotmail account. They do what I need them to do and they're free. I could migrate over to Gmail or something else, I guess, if I cared that people judged me based on my e-mail address. But the effort required to do that -- minor as it might be (I already dupe my incoming Yahoo mail to a Gmail account, but I don't bother to log into it much) -- just doesn't seem to be worth the reward.
 
2017-12-30 11:47:00 AM  

moothemagiccow: not one hotmale joke
you guys are slipping


I am NOT my father.
 
2017-12-30 12:02:37 PM  
Still use ut as a secondary account and also for all my Fark junkmail.

/eip
//BIE?
///off my lawn!
 
2017-12-30 12:05:56 PM  
Is that really where the name came from? HoTMaiL? Wow. One person actually learned something from this thread.

/and that something is how to properly secure my 90s internet cloud
 
2017-12-30 12:36:43 PM  
I have been using Hotmail for my primary email address since before Microsoft acquired it.
 
2017-12-30 12:48:44 PM  

BumpInTheNight: PainInTheASP: downstairs: I remember back in the late '90s always diagramming "The Internet" as:

[img.fark.net image 180x110][View Full Size image _x_]

Dude.  It's almost 2018. You should really update that.
[img.fark.net image 286x175][View Full Size image _x_]

You must be still thinking in 2017 terms man, the internet evolves faster then you think!   This is the 2018 model of the internet:

[img.fark.net image 356x256][View Full Size image _x_]


Dude.  Prepare to have your mind blown at the idea I just had after looking at your networking diagram:

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Take a screencap of that shiat, 'cause it's about to make the quickest coder a kajillion bucks.
 
2017-12-30 01:04:46 PM  

Gary-L: The IT Crowd was absolutely brilliant.  I swear, the writers had to have solicited storylines from people who worked in the industry, because it represents the 90s brilliantly.


Writer. Graham Linehan wrote and directed every episode.
 
2017-12-30 01:06:25 PM  

hashtag.acronym: BumpInTheNight: PainInTheASP: downstairs: I remember back in the late '90s always diagramming "The Internet" as:

[img.fark.net image 180x110][View Full Size image _x_]

Dude.  It's almost 2018. You should really update that.
[img.fark.net image 286x175][View Full Size image _x_]

You must be still thinking in 2017 terms man, the internet evolves faster then you think!   This is the 2018 model of the internet:

[img.fark.net image 356x256][View Full Size image _x_]

Dad (after watching a DropBox? commercial): What's a cloud?

Me: A service for people that can't plug a disk drive into a router and then setup SFTP.

Aside from sending encrypted disk images for an offsite backup solution as a redundancy, why would one actually rely on a cloud storage service as their primary means of data storage?  Home-based SFTP FTW...Odroid XU4 + Solar Panel + Battery + Hard Drive + Tool Shed = Backup Storage Server...and the same setup inside the house is the best damn emulation setup one can buy before going x86_64.


img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2017-12-30 02:13:23 PM  
Don't you people have ISPs that give you seven accounts or so?  When I need a throw-away, I just make one through Verizon.  No need for any web-based crap.
 
2017-12-30 02:57:29 PM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Don't you people have ISPs that give you seven accounts or so?  When I need a throw-away, I just make one through Verizon.  No need for any web-based crap.


What do you mean, "you people?"
 
2017-12-30 03:13:14 PM  

boozehat: # <----- pound, and I will not call it "hash tag"

Also, ! = bang.


You will and you'll like it.
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2017-12-30 03:17:50 PM  
I still have my hotmail account. I have had it since around 2000 and keep it because the address is close to my name and looks good on things like resumes and stuff. I have a gmail account which I have had since about 2005. Set it up with kind of a jokey address planning to use it for signing up for things online when i didnt want to give up my real name or was worried about spam. It was back when you had to get an invite (which i got from a fark thread) but since it is kind of jokey it doesn't look good on a resume or with a bank. The problem is that gmail account slowly became my google account with all the other features attached tonit so not something I want to get rid of.
 
2017-12-30 03:29:21 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Gary-L: The IT Crowd was absolutely brilliant.  I swear, the writers had to have solicited storylines from people who worked in the industry, because it represents the 90s brilliantly.

Writer. Graham Linehan wrote and directed every episode.


Writers rooms don't generally get credits. Whoever writes the final script does.
 
2017-12-30 03:53:42 PM  

downstairs: I remember back in the late '90s always diagramming "The Internet" as:

[img.fark.net image 180x110]


You should trademark that cloud looking symbol before someone else gets the idea.
 
2017-12-30 06:14:03 PM  

boozehat: # <----- pound, and I will not call it "hash tag"

Also, ! = bang.


* = splat
 
2017-12-30 06:33:42 PM  

Gordon Bennett: The operation of Hotmail gave Microsoft the ultimate "eat your own dog food" experience

I don't know what that means but I suppose it makes sense. I've used a lot of Microsoft products over the years and the experience is a lot like eating dog food. It gets the job done more or less but it isn't very nice at all.


Depends on the product. They have some terrific items, and some that are just train wrecks. The more I talk to their people, the more I realize that they are actually really, really good at recognizing talent, and they move all of it into areas they want to focus on. So at the present time, their best people are over doing Azure things. What the previous bolded 'all' means is that the people working on just about everything else range from just good on down to abysmal. It explains why Hyper-V hasn't gone anywhere in 3-5 years and they keep adding the wierdest UI farkups and feature bloat to things like Windows and SQL.
 
2017-12-30 06:44:11 PM  

ol' gormsby: boozehat: # <----- pound, and I will not call it "hash tag"

Also, ! = bang.

* = splat


# and ! their @ till you all *? If you go limp, get a ^ up in that |.
 
2017-12-30 06:44:46 PM  

t3knomanser: # and ! their @ till you all *? If you go limp, get a ^ up in that |.


God, now I ashamed that I posted that...
 
2017-12-30 08:32:12 PM  
Remember when Gmail was invite only?

Yes, oldster here.
 
2017-12-30 09:33:29 PM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Don't you people have ISPs that give you seven accounts or so?  When I need a throw-away, I just make one through Verizon.  No need for any web-based crap.


What happens when you move and switch ISPs? I've had the same email through multiple moves, used it overseas, etc.
 
2017-12-30 09:50:08 PM  

NathanAllen: Remember when Gmail was invite only?

Yes, oldster here.


Remember when your favorite BBS got TWO dedicated modem lines?

 Pepperidge farm remembers.
 
2017-12-30 10:13:24 PM  

adamatari: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Don't you people have ISPs that give you seven accounts or so?  When I need a throw-away, I just make one through Verizon.  No need for any web-based crap.

What happens when you move and switch ISPs? I've had the same email through multiple moves, used it overseas, etc.


In Ajit Pai's US internet(TM Verison) that's not a problem, its going to be the same one anywhere you move.  The only one mind you, but think of the convenience!
 
2017-12-30 11:43:48 PM  

hashtag.acronym: Aside from sending encrypted disk images for an offsite backup solution as a redundancy, why would one actually rely on a cloud storage service as their primary means of data storage?  Home-based SFTP FTW...Odroid XU4 + Solar Panel + Battery + Hard Drive + Tool Shed = Backup Storage Server...and the same setup inside the house is the best damn emulation setup one can buy before going x86_64.


Yeah, let me have my mom setup an SFTP server behind her house instead of using a free web-based service.

Sometimes people like to pay for things to just work, and that's what Dropbox does well. I can share files with about 2 clicks, revert changes to files, sync them across PCs and Macs, and access everything on my phone.

But sure, your solution is obvious ;)
 
2017-12-30 11:53:39 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: It's Outlook now.


It went something like hotmail -> MSN -> Live -> Outlook.
 
2017-12-31 01:14:36 AM  

Gordon Bennett: The operation of Hotmail gave Microsoft the ultimate "eat your own dog food" experience

I don't know what that means but I suppose it makes sense. I've used a lot of Microsoft products over the years and the experience is a lot like eating dog food. It gets the job done more or less but it isn't very nice at all.


It means selling additional products and services to existing customers.
 
2017-12-31 03:32:25 AM  
hotmail since 1996... uh. the username is embarassing... so I use it for spammy stuff.

I got a really good gmail email address... as in an actual word, without numbers.
 
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