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(CNN)   Lottery "instant winners" become instant losers after the game erroneously prints too many winning tickets   ( cnn.com) divider line
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2017-12-28 08:30:50 AM  
What's with all the greenlights from Golf Channel today?
 
2017-12-28 08:48:59 AM  

elkboy: What's with all the greenlights from Golf Channel today?


Golf Channel has the best links.
 
2017-12-28 09:05:15 AM  
 
2017-12-28 09:28:27 AM  

elkboy: What's with all the greenlights from Golf Channel today?


Spillover from the politics tab. It's actually CNN, who have several news stories about Trump's current golf vacation.
 
2017-12-28 09:35:19 AM  

elkboy: What's with all the greenlights from Golf Channel today?


Look at the letters in "channel"
 
2017-12-28 09:44:47 AM  

NeoCortex42: elkboy: What's with all the greenlights from Golf Channel today?

Golf Channel has the best links.


Trumpy says they're Fake News.
 
2017-12-28 09:56:43 AM  

NeoCortex42: elkboy: What's with all the greenlights from Golf Channel today?

Golf Channel has the best links.


Worst pun is best pun
 
2017-12-28 10:07:39 AM  

Nexzus: elkboy: What's with all the greenlights from Golf Channel today?

Spillover from the politics tab. It's actually CNN, who have several news stories about Trump's current golf vacation.


The next step is for Drew to replace the logo with a picture of a box truck.
 
2017-12-28 10:11:01 AM  

elkboy: NeoCortex42: elkboy: What's with all the greenlights from Golf Channel today?

Golf Channel has the best links.

Worst pun is best pun


Sub-par at best.
 
2017-12-28 10:24:05 AM  

optimistic_cynic: elkboy: NeoCortex42: elkboy: What's with all the greenlights from Golf Channel today?

Golf Channel has the best links.

Worst pun is best pun

Sub-par at best.


Booooooo
 
2017-12-28 10:34:48 AM  

NeoCortex42: elkboy: What's with all the greenlights from Golf Channel today?

Golf Channel has the best links.


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2017-12-28 11:01:03 AM  
Why are there so many Golf Channel links today?

Oh....well played.
 
2017-12-28 11:07:21 AM  
FTFA:
"From 5:51 p.m. to 7:53 p.m., the same play symbol was repeated in all nine available play areas on tickets which would result in a top prize of $500. No more than five identical play symbols should appear for a single play," the lottery said.

So, it's rigged?
 
2017-12-28 11:16:54 AM  
Aren't all lottery players losers?
 
2017-12-28 11:44:19 AM  
Meh.  I feel kind of bad for someone who thought he had just won $500 and had the rug pulled out from under him. I feel no pity for the people who rushed in because they heard from friends that the machines were printing nothing but winners, or the nitwit in the article that thinks "they" owe her $18,000.
 
2017-12-28 12:27:37 PM  

lizyrd: Meh.  I feel kind of bad for someone who thought he had just won $500 and had the rug pulled out from under him. I feel no pity for the people who rushed in because they heard from friends that the machines were printing nothing but winners, or the nitwit in the article that thinks "they" owe her $18,000.


Technically, they printed the tickets and sold them.  They *should* be responsible for the payouts; the people who bought tickets were not in the wrong here, even if they were greedy.  It's not the people who bought tickets who screwed up, nor was there any cheating or manipulation by the purchasers.

Based on the information so far, If I were a judge, I'd hold the lottery company liable for their mistake and make them pay the winning tickets.  Now, if it turns out someone hacked the system to make it do this, then the lottery company might be able to sue that person or legitimately claim that this wasn't their fault and therefore they're not liable.  But if it's their mistake, they should pay.
 
2017-12-28 12:44:06 PM  
I'm glad I've given up working for the government. There was a lot not to like but I never though there'd be a political test for holding my job.

Golly, that rings a bell.. hmmmm
 
2017-12-28 01:01:33 PM  

Nexzus: elkboy: What's with all the greenlights from Golf Channel today?

Spillover from the politics tab. It's actually CNN, who have several news stories about Trump's current golf vacation.


Thank You...I was trying to figure out why the CNN logo was changed again.
 
2017-12-28 01:32:36 PM  

obenchainr: lizyrd: Meh.  I feel kind of bad for someone who thought he had just won $500 and had the rug pulled out from under him. I feel no pity for the people who rushed in because they heard from friends that the machines were printing nothing but winners, or the nitwit in the article that thinks "they" owe her $18,000.

Technically, they printed the tickets and sold them.  They *should* be responsible for the payouts; the people who bought tickets were not in the wrong here, even if they were greedy.  It's not the people who bought tickets who screwed up, nor was there any cheating or manipulation by the purchasers.

Based on the information so far, If I were a judge, I'd hold the lottery company liable for their mistake and make them pay the winning tickets.  Now, if it turns out someone hacked the system to make it do this, then the lottery company might be able to sue that person or legitimately claim that this wasn't their fault and therefore they're not liable.  But if it's their mistake, they should pay.


I'm sure that the lottery reserves some rights on payouts and mistakes in its rules. I'd liken it to online pricing errors - you know damn well that the laptop you ordered isn't supposed to be $120, and you shouldn't be surprised when you get the email apologizing, but that there was an error and your order of 5 of them is cancelled.
 
2017-12-28 01:58:45 PM  
They need to pass a law that if you're running a lottery or casino that your software faults are your own business and that you MUST pay out. Too bad you had such shiatty buggy code. Better luck next time. Now, fark you pay me!
 
2017-12-28 02:00:28 PM  

lizyrd: I'm sure that the lottery reserves some rights on payouts and mistakes in its rules. I'd liken it to online pricing errors - you know damn well that the laptop you ordered isn't supposed to be $120, and you shouldn't be surprised when you get the email apologizing, but that there was an error and your order of 5 of them is cancelled.


This is different; that's under the terms of unilateral mistake.  I know that in most cases of an actual error in printing - something comes out that is self-inconsistent - the ticket is void.  This doesn't appear to be the case: the tickets are in fact winning tickets; the only complaint is that more were issued than planned.

In essence, SCEL is saying that there *should* be 5 winning tickets instead of <x> winning tickets; the fact that some tickets are *supposed* to be winners implies that they're valid.  If there is nothing about the others that explicitly makes them identifiable as invalid (by serial numbers or something), then there's no difference between a "real" winning ticket and a "false" winning ticket.  If it's actually a winning ticket, even if issued in error, I don't think they can deny payment.  The only actual error was in selling it, which isn't something that is usually grounds for unilateral rescission of a contract.
 
2017-12-28 02:37:46 PM  
There system farked up so they should pay every ticket off.    Also they should count their lucky stars the max prize is only $500 other people would have really gone off their nut over this.

The tickets were not fakes or modified in an attempt to scam the lottery the machines the lottery system uses to print them had a brain fart  and so the lottery should pay up and fix the problem.
 
2017-12-28 03:08:41 PM  
While I side with the lottery should honor the tickets as it was their mistake, can we at least agree that if they don't they need to refund all the tickets purchased on that game? And not just the "winning" ones, as if the game was broken then the odds were off for everyone.

To compare to other gaming, would you expect a casino to take your blackjack winnings because the house accidentally added an extra deck worth of A's and 10's, yet still dealt and took the losing bets?
 
2017-12-28 03:10:37 PM  

obenchainr: lizyrd: I'm sure that the lottery reserves some rights on payouts and mistakes in its rules. I'd liken it to online pricing errors - you know damn well that the laptop you ordered isn't supposed to be $120, and you shouldn't be surprised when you get the email apologizing, but that there was an error and your order of 5 of them is cancelled.

This is different; that's under the terms of unilateral mistake.  I know that in most cases of an actual error in printing - something comes out that is self-inconsistent - the ticket is void.  This doesn't appear to be the case: the tickets are in fact winning tickets; the only complaint is that more were issued than planned.

In essence, SCEL is saying that there *should* be 5 winning tickets instead of <x> winning tickets; the fact that some tickets are *supposed* to be winners implies that they're valid.  If there is nothing about the others that explicitly makes them identifiable as invalid (by serial numbers or something), then there's no difference between a "real" winning ticket and a "false" winning ticket.  If it's actually a winning ticket, even if issued in error, I don't think they can deny payment.  The only actual error was in selling it, which isn't something that is usually grounds for unilateral rescission of a contract.


Probably at best you get one winning ticket a household + money back for remaining bought tickets.
 
2017-12-28 04:00:33 PM  
The snafu affected the Holiday Cash Add-A-Play tickets, a $1 terminal-generated instant game offered on Christmas Day.

A scratch-off without the scratching?  That's the laziest shiat I've ever heard.  Why don't they just streamline it all the way and let the clerk read off the results?

"Ten bucks for Dealer's Choice."
"Lose, lose, lose, five bucks, lose, lose, two bucks, lose, lose, lose.  That's seven."
"Keep going."
"Lose, lose, lose, lose, two bucks, lose, lose.  That's two."
"Keep going."
"Lose, lose.  You're out.  Thanks for playing!"
 
2017-12-28 07:03:54 PM  

obenchainr: Technically, they printed the tickets and sold them.  They *should* be responsible for the payouts; the people who bought tickets were not in the wrong here, even if they were greedy.  It's not the people who bought tickets who screwed up, nor was there any cheating or manipulation by the purchasers.


If a slot machine all of a sudden got winners every single spin randomly, the casino has the right to call that a malfunction, and as you know from the big warning on the machine, MALFUNCTION VOIDS ALL PAYS AND PLAYS. The very best the commission should do is give anyone who bought these tickets their money back.  And I would dispute the last sentence; those who knew of the glitch and tried to take advantage of it were manipulating the situation, therefore cheating, therefore shouldn't get a damned thing back.
 
2017-12-28 08:42:49 PM  

elkboy: optimistic_cynic: elkboy: NeoCortex42: elkboy: What's with all the greenlights from Golf Channel today?

Golf Channel has the best links.

Worst pun is best pun

Sub-par at best.

Booooooo


Why are you shooting a hole-in-pun?
 
2017-12-28 11:59:10 PM  
 
2017-12-29 04:04:50 AM  
♫ Take this job and shove it, I ain't workin' here no,..... shiat ♫
I didn't mean it boss.
OK, I'll clean the toilets.
 
2017-12-29 04:13:56 AM  

IlGreven: obenchainr: Technically, they printed the tickets and sold them.  They *should* be responsible for the payouts; the people who bought tickets were not in the wrong here, even if they were greedy.  It's not the people who bought tickets who screwed up, nor was there any cheating or manipulation by the purchasers.

If a slot machine all of a sudden got winners every single spin randomly, the casino has the right to call that a malfunction, and as you know from the big warning on the machine, MALFUNCTION VOIDS ALL PAYS AND PLAYS. The very best the commission should do is give anyone who bought these tickets their money back.  And I would dispute the last sentence; those who knew of the glitch and tried to take advantage of it were manipulating the situation, therefore cheating, therefore shouldn't get a damned thing back.


If the slot machine has a hardware malfunction, then the play is void, sure.

If the software runs as written and produces a winner, it didn't malfunction. Your argument is akin to my pointing a gun at you thinking it isn't loaded, I pull the trigger, and you die.

The gun didn't malfunction. And I'm still responsible.

If the lottery software had a bug that resulted in paying out fewer than intended winners, do you think they'd rush to refund tickets, or any other remedy?  No? Then it cuts both ways.

Pay the tickets.
 
2017-12-29 09:16:40 AM  

obenchainr: Technically, they printed the tickets and sold them.  They *should* be responsible for the payouts; the people who bought tickets were not in the wrong here, even if they were greedy.  It's not the people who bought tickets who screwed up, nor was there any cheating or manipulation by the purchasers.

Based on the information so far, If I were a judge, I'd hold the lottery company liable for their mistake and make them pay the winning tickets.  Now, if it turns out someone hacked the system to make it do this, then the lottery company might be able to sue that person or legitimately claim that this wasn't their fault and therefore they're not liable.  But if it's their mistake, they should pay.


You would be a terrible judge. This is like a misplaced decimal point in a car advertisement, listing a Mercedes  E-class for $49.99. There is a wide basis of law that covers errors, mistakes, and goof-ups.
 
2017-12-29 09:20:14 AM  

IlGreven: those who knew of the glitch and tried to take advantage of it were manipulating the situation, therefore cheating


It isn't cheating to manipulate an occurring advantage to your favor. The man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo found a roulette wheel that hit some numbers more often that others. That wasn't cheating.
 
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