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(Science Alert)   Scientists observe 'double whirlpools' in the ocean for first time. "Nobody has ever seen this before"   ( sciencealert.com) divider line
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2017-12-27 02:22:10 PM  
Climate change being blamed in 5..4..3..2..1..
 
2017-12-27 02:26:51 PM  

kdawg7736: Words to that effect being blamed in 5..4..3..2..1..


FTF Florida
 
2017-12-27 02:30:39 PM  
WHAT DOES IT MEAN?!?!
 
2017-12-27 02:33:11 PM  
I was hoping for fewer words and more pictures and video.
 
2017-12-27 03:09:12 PM  

kdawg7736: Climate change being blamed in 5..4..3..2..1..


Rapid surface warming increases the energy differential and can power larger and more vigorous thermal eddies. That's basic physics. Climate change is producing higher ocean surface temperatures. That's an observation. So the two are linked. That's a straightforward deduction. The term "blame" is loaded with silly connotations and so should be ignored.
 
2017-12-27 03:27:56 PM  
They could have just asked to look in my basement, but whatever, science.

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2017-12-27 03:34:39 PM  
Must have dropped their cameras in one of the two whirlpools. Too bad.
 
2017-12-27 03:38:42 PM  
This might explain a lot of anomalies that have hitherto puzzled scientists and even Charles Hoy Fort the professional anomalist and tongue-in-cheek commentator on journalistic, editorial and scientific explanations for various mysteries.

For example, if you combine these anomalous double-whirlpools with anomalous "teleportations" of fish and other creatures that show up in mysterious "rains" of sea creatures and the like, some incidents can be explained without resorting to supernatural or highly unlikely alternative explanations.

I consider myself a Fortean in that I am willing to look at anomalies with a critical eye towards the way that orthodox thinking supresses new ideas and new phenomena until some lucky scientist hits on an explanation that is both naturalistic and takes into account all of the evidence rather than reaching for the standard explanation in keeping with current orthodoxy. But I am highly criticial of supernatural and metaphysical explanations that contradict science, even partial and fallible science.

There are many strange things at sea. Over the last couple of centuries some of them have been confirmed by science and thus explained, demystified. I do not mourn for mysteries. I believe there will always be enough of them because each new discovery can create new mysteries while solving one or a few old mysteries.

Solenoid waves, water spouts, the Aeolian Zone, algae blooms, fish mating schools,  the layers of the atmosphere (such as the termosphere and the exosphere) and many other "damned data" have been recuperated thanks to skeptics and scientists alike. Many of Fort's best jokes have been incorporated in the new, less positivistic philosophy and science. They are now new orthrodoxies and may be generating new heresies. But that is the way it goes.

As Fort so rightly pointed out, first stones did not fall from the sky, then only nickel-iron meteorites were orthdox, and finally many different kinds of stony meteorites were found under conditions that proved they fell from the sky and were not on the lake ice or the glacier all along. And so it goes and so it goes.

Sometimes the science is so solid it can not be questioned except by religionists and other cranks. Sometimes there are fine details in which the Devil, God and all sorts of weirdness can hide for centuries.

It is great fun to ponder a mystery, but it is just as good fun to solve one and go on to the next.
 
2017-12-27 03:39:56 PM  

RobotSpider: Must have dropped their cameras in one of the two whirlpools. Two bad.


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2017-12-27 03:49:29 PM  
Just posting for presumed obscurity.

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2017-12-27 04:19:34 PM  
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Racing to the site.
 
2017-12-27 04:39:03 PM  

wademh: kdawg7736: Climate change being blamed in 5..4..3..2..1..

Rapid surface warming increases the energy differential and can power larger and more vigorous thermal eddies. That's basic physics. Climate change is producing higher ocean surface temperatures. That's an observation. So the two are linked. That's a straightforward deduction. The term "blame" is loaded with silly connotations and so should be ignored.


But her emails
 
2017-12-27 04:39:19 PM  
Is there a reason they're all being found in the southern hemisphere?
 
2017-12-27 05:13:09 PM  
Eddies in the spacetime continuum.

Ah, is he?
 
2017-12-27 05:27:55 PM  
Scientists never seen a stripper get one pasty going in one direction and the other?   Scientists need to get their grant money in $1 bills.
 
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2017-12-27 05:29:11 PM  

dionysusaur: Eddies in the spacetime continuum.

Ah, is he?


Just look for the Chesterfield sofa.
 
2017-12-27 05:32:08 PM  

Mangonel: Is there a reason they're all being found in the southern hemisphere?


You mean aside from the opening at the bottom connecting the Atlantic, Pacific, and such? There is no corresponding free water trade in the northern hemisphere. I assume that plays at least some role is different water currents colliding, having the opportunity to and all?
 
2017-12-27 05:34:25 PM  

dionysusaur: Eddies in the spacetime continuum.

Ah, is he?


Well, no, he's currently in the Tasman sea. But he's usually in the spacetime continuum.
 
2017-12-27 05:37:17 PM  
"Nobody has ever seen this before"

"That we know of."

/ These are the only ones of which the news has come to Harvard
// And there may be many others but they haven't been discovered
 
2017-12-27 05:38:34 PM  

washington-babylon: dionysusaur: Eddies in the spacetime continuum.

Ah, is he?

Well, no, he's currently in the Tasman sea. But he's usually in the spacetime continuum.


... um.
 
2017-12-27 05:38:34 PM  

cretinbob: wademh: kdawg7736: Climate change being blamed in 5..4..3..2..1..

Rapid surface warming increases the energy differential and can power larger and more vigorous thermal eddies. That's basic physics. Climate change is producing higher ocean surface temperatures. That's an observation. So the two are linked. That's a straightforward deduction. The term "blame" is loaded with silly connotations and so should be ignored.

But her emails


You don't have to support Trump to be confused how global warming is the sole cause of more hurricanes and fewer, more and less frequent tornados, hotter and colder weather, more and less rain...

Global warming is currently responsible for everything expect racism, and I fully expect to find out it is at fault for that next week.

Between Trump and Global Warming, I think they cover the Gambit of the whole universe's problems.
 
2017-12-27 06:00:43 PM  

Quantumbunny: cretinbob: wademh: kdawg7736: Climate change being blamed in 5..4..3..2..1..

Rapid surface warming increases the energy differential and can power larger and more vigorous thermal eddies. That's basic physics. Climate change is producing higher ocean surface temperatures. That's an observation. So the two are linked. That's a straightforward deduction. The term "blame" is loaded with silly connotations and so should be ignored.

But her emails

You don't have to support Trump to be confused how global warming is the sole cause of more hurricanes and fewer, more and less frequent tornados, hotter and colder weather, more and less rain...


You don't understand how putting more energy into a pendulum causes it to swing both further to the left and further to the right but also sometimes be in the middle? Very well. We accept that you are confused about rather simple things.
 
2017-12-27 06:09:47 PM  
I blame Exodus
 
2017-12-27 06:12:01 PM  

dionysusaur: Eddies in the spacetime continuum.

Ah, is he?


Came for this. Leaving satisfied.
 
2017-12-27 06:47:59 PM  

wademh: Quantumbunny: cretinbob: wademh: kdawg7736: Climate change being blamed in 5..4..3..2..1..

Rapid surface warming increases the energy differential and can power larger and more vigorous thermal eddies. That's basic physics. Climate change is producing higher ocean surface temperatures. That's an observation. So the two are linked. That's a straightforward deduction. The term "blame" is loaded with silly connotations and so should be ignored.

But her emails

You don't have to support Trump to be confused how global warming is the sole cause of more hurricanes and fewer, more and less frequent tornados, hotter and colder weather, more and less rain...

You don't understand how putting more energy into a pendulum causes it to swing both further to the left and further to the right but also sometimes be in the middle? Very well. We accept that you are confused about rather simple things.


Oh I'm not claiming I don't understand a pendulum, but it's hard to compare a pendulum seeing with something literally defined by half the swing... Warming, not Cooling, not Extremism. I don't deny it's been warm lately, nor am I Trump supporter. But Global Warming has a few issues that should be addressed:
1) a branding issue. Really needs a renaming campaign. To something like The Inevitable farkening.
2) doomsaying needs to stop. For every failed apocalypse date Christians come up with, you think them missing again and again leads credence?
3) As a general premise, Global Warming needs to not be a scapegoat and needs to stop being the reason for every snowflake and raindrop and . Being a scapegoat keeps it outside of realism gust of wind... Being a scapegoat and at fault for everything makes it intangible. That's the opposite of what we need.

Actually that last one should really apply to Trump (and Obama) as well. Demonizing and worshipping people removes them from reach, and makes their decisions seem unattainable and that is not helpful to news. But boy is it sensational, so thanks for people sucking the media teet.
 
2017-12-27 07:49:06 PM  

Quantumbunny: 1) a branding issue. Really needs a renaming campaign. To something like The Inevitable farkening.
2) doomsaying needs to stop. For every failed apocalypse date Christians come up with, you think them missing again and again leads credence?
3) As a general premise, Global Warming needs to not be a scapegoat and needs to stop being the reason for every snowflake and raindrop and . Being a scapegoat keeps it outside of realism gust of wind... Being a scapegoat and at fault for everything makes it intangible. That's the opposite of what we need.


1) Global (Happening everywhere) Warming (getting hotter). Seems pretty spot on, from a branding perspective.
2) Measured results are showing just slightly below predicted models. Unfortunately, it is just below the 'worse case scenario' models.
3) The atmosphere is big and touches pretty much everything on Earth. So increases in energy retention will have many trickle down effects. More droughts and more floods are equally probable. Hence "Global." It is only a scapegoat if you are trying to muddy the waters and deny scientific experimental consensus.

Simplified: Does burning fossil fuels release carbon dioxide? Does CO2 reflect heat? Will adding heat to the atmosphere do things?
 
2017-12-27 09:15:09 PM  

Quantumbunny: wademh: Quantumbunny: cretinbob: wademh: kdawg7736: Climate change being blamed in 5..4..3..2..1..

Rapid surface warming increases the energy differential and can power larger and more vigorous thermal eddies. That's basic physics. Climate change is producing higher ocean surface temperatures. That's an observation. So the two are linked. That's a straightforward deduction. The term "blame" is loaded with silly connotations and so should be ignored.

But her emails

You don't have to support Trump to be confused how global warming is the sole cause of more hurricanes and fewer, more and less frequent tornados, hotter and colder weather, more and less rain...

You don't understand how putting more energy into a pendulum causes it to swing both further to the left and further to the right but also sometimes be in the middle? Very well. We accept that you are confused about rather simple things.

Oh I'm not claiming I don't understand a pendulum, but it's hard to compare a pendulum seeing with something literally defined by half the swing... Warming, not Cooling, not Extremism. I don't deny it's been warm lately, nor am I Trump supporter. But Global Warming has a few issues that should be addressed:
1) a branding issue. Really needs a renaming campaign. To something like The Inevitable farkening.
2) doomsaying needs to stop. For every failed apocalypse date Christians come up with, you think them missing again and again leads credence?
3) As a general premise, Global Warming needs to not be a scapegoat and needs to stop being the reason for every snowflake and raindrop and . Being a scapegoat keeps it outside of realism gust of wind... Being a scapegoat and at fault for everything makes it intangible. That's the opposite of what we need.


Your assertion that you understand a pendulum is questionable.  Perhaps you merely understand its branding.
1. It's also called Climate Change, but as the direction of change is towards warmer climates on average, Global Warming is perfectly fine for anyone reading to think scientifically. For those who aren't, they'll just pick a preferred religion anyway.
2. Few to no actual scientists play the doomsday game, not even Mr. Al Gore. Then again, melt enough of the Greenland cap to sink the Gulf Stream and Europe will paradoxically freeze. On average the Earth will still warm. I'd explain but it's been explained many times before so you're either unwilling or unable to comprehend. The Christian apocalypse thing also provides a nice comparison. You attempt to label (should I say "brand"?) all of Christianity on the basis of a few extreme outliers. This pushes you into that "can't understand" camp with a strong dose of "willfully misunderstands" piled on top. Funny thing is that there are so many many other ways to discredit mainstream Christianity but you pick the route of obvious non sequiturs. It's intellectual self-sabotage.
3. Here you repeat your affinity for illogical selective reading. The National Academy of Sciences produces a consensus statement on the cause and effects of Climate Change and you listen to what a high school dropout says about the weather that day. If you were a horse you'd swim part way across a raging river to die of thirst on a sandbar.
 
2017-12-27 10:07:44 PM  

wademh: Quantumbunny: wademh: Quantumbunny: cretinbob: wademh: kdawg7736: Climate change being blamed in 5..4..3..2..1..

Rapid surface warming increases the energy differential and can power larger and more vigorous thermal eddies. That's basic physics. Climate change is producing higher ocean surface temperatures. That's an observation. So the two are linked. That's a straightforward deduction. The term "blame" is loaded with silly connotations and so should be ignored.

But her emails

You don't have to support Trump to be confused how global warming is the sole cause of more hurricanes and fewer, more and less frequent tornados, hotter and colder weather, more and less rain...

You don't understand how putting more energy into a pendulum causes it to swing both further to the left and further to the right but also sometimes be in the middle? Very well. We accept that you are confused about rather simple things.

Oh I'm not claiming I don't understand a pendulum, but it's hard to compare a pendulum seeing with something literally defined by half the swing... Warming, not Cooling, not Extremism. I don't deny it's been warm lately, nor am I Trump supporter. But Global Warming has a few issues that should be addressed:
1) a branding issue. Really needs a renaming campaign. To something like The Inevitable farkening.
2) doomsaying needs to stop. For every failed apocalypse date Christians come up with, you think them missing again and again leads credence?
3) As a general premise, Global Warming needs to not be a scapegoat and needs to stop being the reason for every snowflake and raindrop and . Being a scapegoat keeps it outside of realism gust of wind... Being a scapegoat and at fault for everything makes it intangible. That's the opposite of what we need.

Your assertion that you understand a pendulum is questionable.  Perhaps you merely understand its branding.
1. It's also called Climate Change, but as the direction of change is towards warmer climates on average, Global Warming is perfectly fine for anyone reading to think scientifically. For those who aren't, they'll just pick a preferred religion anyway.
2. Few to no actual scientists play the doomsday game, not even Mr. Al Gore. Then again, melt enough of the Greenland cap to sink the Gulf Stream and Europe will paradoxically freeze. On average the Earth will still warm. I'd explain but it's been explained many times before so you're either unwilling or unable to comprehend. The Christian apocalypse thing also provides a nice comparison. You attempt to label (should I say "brand"?) all of Christianity on the basis of a few extreme outliers. This pushes you into that "can't understand" camp with a strong dose of "willfully misunderstands" piled on top. Funny thing is that there are so many many other ways to discredit mainstream Christianity but you pick the route of obvious non sequiturs. It's intellectual self-sabotage.
3. Here you repeat your affinity for illogical selective reading. The National Academy of Sciences produces a consensus statement on the cause and effects of Climate Change and you listen to what a high school dropout says about the weather that day. If you were a horse you'd swim part way across a raging river to die of thirst on a sandbar.


Look man, you want to win over deniers, or you want to yell at someone on the internet who is on your side telling you a better way to argue it. The point is that as it stands, Global Warming, like Trump, has been made into a boogie man... And the only way to dispel the mythos of a boogie man and make it real, is change the conversation, and reveal the truth underneath.

If you keep yelling into the wind, does it make you feel better? Or are you just getting exhausted? Because frankly, I'm getting pretty exhausted at people who keep trying the same thing again and again never getting a single positive result. It's exhausting to watch people like Jon Oliver on Trump, and I hate Trump. And that's the same cycle as people constantly decrying an immediate apocalypse due to global warming. Trying the same thing over and over and expecting that eventually you must win because you're right... It's insane. It's not a conversation, and continuing to try and argue about it wastes everyone's time. You want to save the Earth? Hey I live here too, I would also like less pollution and less CO2... but the way to win this fight is to improve tech or chemicals and provide alternatives that compete. Because you can't win an argument with logic because you can't reason someone out of a position the didn't reason themselves into, and this has become an entirely emotional and religious fight. When is the last time you saw an argument about religion end well?
 
2017-12-27 11:51:06 PM  

Mangonel: Is there a reason they're all being found in the southern hemisphere?


Well, I don't know about that, but if they were in the Northern Hemisphere, they'd spin the other way and shoot fish out.
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2017-12-27 11:51:19 PM  
I heard this was caused by giant underwater alien spacecraft.
 
2017-12-27 11:55:38 PM  

mr_larry: I was hoping for fewer words and more pictures and video.


Check out the linked video in the article. Someone makes little vortices in a swimming pool and adds dye and then does some stuff to them. It is awesome!

I love when you can see cool science with stuff that's just lying around.
 
2017-12-28 01:04:15 AM  
Between Scylla and Charybdis, eh?
 
2017-12-28 01:31:00 AM  
To film this one might say they were between 'Scylla and Charybdi.'

(Devil and the Deep Blue Sea)
 
2017-12-28 02:48:59 AM  
Obligatory double rainbow:

Yosemitebear Mountain Double Rainbow 1-8-10
Youtube OQSNhk5ICTI
 
2017-12-28 03:45:34 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Obligatory double rainbow:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/OQSNhk5I​CTI]


Technical note: If you ever paint a double rainbow, remember that one is ROYGBIV and the other is VIBGYOR
 
2017-12-28 02:43:46 PM  
Scientists observe 'double whirlpools' in the ocean for first time. "Nobody has ever seen this before"

. . . and lived to tell the tale.
 
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