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2017-12-26 10:33:31 PM  
*sigh*

At least the stadium's not too far from Great Lakes Brewing.
 
2017-12-27 01:29:04 AM  

Iamos: *sigh*

At least the stadium's not too far from Great Lakes Brewing.


I don't know why you are upset, you guys are on track for a perfect season!
 
2017-12-27 01:29:33 AM  
Best to just tear it all down and rebuild.

/Cleveland, that is
 
2017-12-27 01:38:33 AM  
The Browns have 8 NFL championships. Two more than the Steelers.

Steelers fans really hate when you point that out. I just lol.
 
2017-12-27 01:47:59 AM  
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abhorrent1: The Browns Ravens have 8 NFL championships. Two more than the Steelers.

Steelers fans really hate when you point that out. I just lol.

 
2017-12-27 02:14:22 AM  
They're off to a good start.
 
2017-12-27 02:18:10 AM  
Hi Fisher and schedule the Titans and Rams for weeks four and five. Maximum trolling by the league.
 
2017-12-27 02:25:43 AM  
Evidently Rosen would rather be a lower pick than play in Cleveland. Evidently th Browns reputation as the QB graveyard of the NFL precedes them.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index​.​ssf/2017/12/josh_rosen_id_rather_be_a_​lowe.html
 
2017-12-27 02:28:12 AM  
Correction, schedule them for weeks one and two. I didn't realize his next loss will make him the record holder. Do it Fisher, you know you want to. The difference between Fisher and the majority of the others on the list, Lambeau, Shanahan, Noll, Halas, Coughlin, Shula and Landry all have multiple rings. Knox, Reeves and Fisher have zero. Do it Cleveland, it would be very fittng.
 
2017-12-27 03:00:50 AM  

Greybrd: Evidently Rosen would rather be a lower pick than play in Cleveland. Evidently th Browns reputation as the QB graveyard of the NFL precedes them.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.​ssf/2017/12/josh_rosen_id_rather_be_a_​lowe.html


Rosen is massively overrated.  He's destined to be a Brown.
 
2017-12-27 03:39:09 AM  

Craw Fu: Greybrd: Evidently Rosen would rather be a lower pick than play in Cleveland. Evidently th Browns reputation as the QB graveyard of the NFL precedes them.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.​ssf/2017/12/josh_rosen_id_rather_be_a_​lowe.html

Rosen is massively overrated.  He's destined to be a Brown.


Who's the last UCLA QB to have any real success in the NFL? I'm thinking probably Troy Aikman.
 
2017-12-27 03:54:41 AM  
Cleveland isn't in all that bad of a situation. They have young talent and if Thomas comes back healthy a decent o-line. Combining those with a bunch of cap space and a shiat ton of picks the Browns could very well be respectable next year and pretty decent after that.
 
2017-12-27 04:13:26 AM  
The big problem with the Browns is, as always, its high turnover rate, from the top down. The only constants through the years are the Cleveland press and the Cleveland fans, and we can't be too sure on the latter.  And the former preaches consistency when a new regime is hired only to be the loudest voices for their ouster two years later, thus continuing the Cycle of Losing.

The hope spots were their playoff run in 2002 where Tim Couch showed glimpses of actually being a good QB, only to be derailed by Kelly Farking Holcomb and a dumbass Butch Davis (I still contend if he had stuck with Couch, he'd still be coaching in the pros today, and not at Florida International after farking up North Carolina) and their run with Derek Anderson in 2007 (which was derailed by Osi Umenyora in the first preseason game and yet another QB controversy, this time with Brady Farking Quinn).

/Okay, there's a third constant: Lack of commitment to even an okay starting quarterback.
 
2017-12-27 04:42:38 AM  

abhorrent1: The Browns have 8 NFL championships. Two more than the Steelers.

Steelers fans really hate when you point that out. I just lol.


4 NFL and 4 AAFC

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/Browns fan
 
2017-12-27 05:47:06 AM  

Snapper Carr: [YouTube video: The Browns live in Hell | Chart Party]

abhorrent1: The Browns Ravens have 8 NFL championships. Two more than the Steelers.

Steelers fans really hate when you point that out. I just lol.


Wrong.

History stays in Cleveland. This is well known.
 
2017-12-27 05:47:28 AM  
Whenever the Cavs and/or Tribe have a good season, the Cleveland Sports Curse is revisited upon the Brownies accordingly.  They now have enough bad karma to keep them sucking for eternity.
 
2017-12-27 06:12:10 AM  

holdmybones: Snapper Carr: [YouTube video: The Browns live in Hell | Chart Party]

abhorrent1: The Browns Ravens have 8 NFL championships. Two more than the Steelers.

Steelers fans really hate when you point that out. I just lol.

Wrong.

History stays in Cleveland. This is well known.


Yeah, but I think the clock starts with the Super Bowl era, IMHO.
 
2017-12-27 06:27:20 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: holdmybones: Snapper Carr: [YouTube video: The Browns live in Hell | Chart Party]

abhorrent1: The Browns Ravens have 8 NFL championships. Two more than the Steelers.

Steelers fans really hate when you point that out. I just lol.

Wrong.

History stays in Cleveland. This is well known.

Yeah, but I think the clock starts with the Super Bowl era, IMHO.


I get that and would only argue the value of those championships as an example of how long football has been important in the region. Something most people don't consider is that football started in northern ohio (effectively) which makes having a shiat team hurt even more. Salt in the wound is when people who don't know history talk about the city as undeserving of a team at all. Being a Browns fan is a complicated, yet really dumb, thing.

I only ever mention the old ones to steelers fans. And, really, I don't even do that anymore. What's the use? They don't even consider us a rival at this point.
 
2017-12-27 07:02:45 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Yeah, but I think the clock starts with the Super Bowl era, IMHO.


It's funny you should say that, as that's the argument STL "fans" took when people like me would point out the Rams had more success in LA as they did in STL. The NFL Championship the Rams won in 1951 doesn't mean anything? What do they think the Super Bowl is? IT'S THE NFL CHAMPIONSHIP!... just with a flashier name.

11 Division titles
4 Conference titles
1 NFL Championship.
All in LA, over a 50 year span. Winning something of importance 32% of their time there.

As for STL? 3 Division titles, 2 Conference titles, one NFL Championship, in 21 years. That's winning something of importance not quite 29% of the time. Close, but no cigar.

Anyway, I know this is a discussion about the Factory of Sadness, but it really annoys me when someone says that records only matter in the SB era, because that's bunk. Anyone who believes that isn't a true NFL fan.
 
2017-12-27 07:56:53 AM  

MmmmBacon: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Yeah, but I think the clock starts with the Super Bowl era, IMHO.

It's funny you should say that, as that's the argument STL "fans" took when people like me would point out the Rams had more success in LA as they did in STL. The NFL Championship the Rams won in 1951 doesn't mean anything? What do they think the Super Bowl is? IT'S THE NFL CHAMPIONSHIP!... just with a flashier name.

11 Division titles
4 Conference titles
1 NFL Championship.
All in LA, over a 50 year span. Winning something of importance 32% of their time there.

As for STL? 3 Division titles, 2 Conference titles, one NFL Championship, in 21 years. That's winning something of importance not quite 29% of the time. Close, but no cigar.

Anyway, I know this is a discussion about the Factory of Sadness, but it really annoys me when someone says that records only matter in the SB era, because that's bunk. Anyone who believes that isn't a true NFL fan.


How many pre-World Series AL and NL championships do you count? Besides, pointing out pre-SB championships is really highlighting going 50 years without.
 
2017-12-27 07:58:35 AM  
The Browns are the perfect example of the American Way, get on the inside and you will be taken care off without any real competence or success
 
2017-12-27 08:05:52 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: MmmmBacon: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Yeah, but I think the clock starts with the Super Bowl era, IMHO.

It's funny you should say that, as that's the argument STL "fans" took when people like me would point out the Rams had more success in LA as they did in STL. The NFL Championship the Rams won in 1951 doesn't mean anything? What do they think the Super Bowl is? IT'S THE NFL CHAMPIONSHIP!... just with a flashier name.

11 Division titles
4 Conference titles
1 NFL Championship.
All in LA, over a 50 year span. Winning something of importance 32% of their time there.

As for STL? 3 Division titles, 2 Conference titles, one NFL Championship, in 21 years. That's winning something of importance not quite 29% of the time. Close, but no cigar.

Anyway, I know this is a discussion about the Factory of Sadness, but it really annoys me when someone says that records only matter in the SB era, because that's bunk. Anyone who believes that isn't a true NFL fan.

How many pre-World Series AL and NL championships do you count? Besides, pointing out pre-SB championships is really highlighting going 50 years without.


I count the entire history of a sport, as any fan should. Leagues change, but the game remains. By your logic, when the NFL eventually expands again to 40 teams, and likely has several international teams, will you start counting records in the league only from that point if they rename their championship game to the World Bowl?

The NFL existed well before the AFL merger which led to the Super Bowl era. The records for the pre-AFL merger are just as valid as those that came after.
 
2017-12-27 08:09:12 AM  

Norfolking Chance: The Browns are the perfect example of the American Way, get on the inside and you will be taken care off without any real competence or success


That's true for several teams in the NFL, actually. At least the Browns have won championships in the past (really, really long ago). Some teams have never won one, let alone even been to the championship game before, and yet their fans keep supporting them.
 
2017-12-27 09:09:52 AM  
On the flipside - the Steelers were the old NFL's version of the Browns.  They were dreadful for decades all the way up to the Immaculate Reception.
 
2017-12-27 09:10:57 AM  
That article reminded me of a Simpson's moment from one of the best episodes: Dead Putting Society. Homer instructs Bart to keep his head down and left arm straight when putting a golf ball.  When Bart barely misses the putt, Homer gets exasperated and changes everything telling him to lift his head and bend his arm instead.
 
2017-12-27 09:20:17 AM  
Rosen wants the Giants to pick him. Eli Manning sulks in a corner thinking "ugh, a team wants to take him #1 overall and he refuses to go there, what an asshole."
 
2017-12-27 09:39:11 AM  

Greybrd: Evidently Rosen would rather be a lower pick than play in Cleveland. Evidently th Browns reputation as the QB graveyard of the NFL precedes them.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.​ssf/2017/12/josh_rosen_id_rather_be_a_​lowe.html


As much of a dick move as that is, I can understand his perspective.  He sees how badly Kizer is getting hammered out there, how many sacks he's taking, how many dropped passes.  That kind of thing kills a QB for the rest of his career.  I'm not saying that Kizer doesn't shoulder a significant amount of blame for the situation he's in, but his supporting cast isn't holding up their end of the bargain either.
 
2017-12-27 09:54:32 AM  

holdmybones: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: holdmybones: Snapper Carr: [YouTube video: The Browns live in Hell | Chart Party]

abhorrent1: The Browns Ravens have 8 NFL championships. Two more than the Steelers.

Steelers fans really hate when you point that out. I just lol.

Wrong.

History stays in Cleveland. This is well known.

Yeah, but I think the clock starts with the Super Bowl era, IMHO.

I get that and would only argue the value of those championships as an example of how long football has been important in the region. Something most people don't consider is that football started in northern ohio (effectively) which makes having a shiat team hurt even more. Salt in the wound is when people who don't know history talk about the city as undeserving of a team at all. Being a Browns fan is a complicated, yet really dumb, thing.

I only ever mention the old ones to steelers fans. And, really, I don't even do that anymore. What's the use? They don't even consider us a rival at this point.


That's because football didn't start in Northern Ohio.
 
2017-12-27 10:03:29 AM  

meanmutton: holdmybones: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: holdmybones: Snapper Carr: [YouTube video: The Browns live in Hell | Chart Party]

abhorrent1: The Browns Ravens have 8 NFL championships. Two more than the Steelers.

Steelers fans really hate when you point that out. I just lol.

Wrong.

History stays in Cleveland. This is well known.

Yeah, but I think the clock starts with the Super Bowl era, IMHO.

I get that and would only argue the value of those championships as an example of how long football has been important in the region. Something most people don't consider is that football started in northern ohio (effectively) which makes having a shiat team hurt even more. Salt in the wound is when people who don't know history talk about the city as undeserving of a team at all. Being a Browns fan is a complicated, yet really dumb, thing.

I only ever mention the old ones to steelers fans. And, really, I don't even do that anymore. What's the use? They don't even consider us a rival at this point.

That's because football didn't start in Northern Ohio.


That was intended to be NFL. I got dumb in my early morning stupor.
 
2017-12-27 10:16:41 AM  

IlGreven: The big problem with the Browns is, as always, its high turnover rate, from the top down. The only constants through the years are the Cleveland press and the Cleveland fans, and we can't be too sure on the latter.


My parents had seasons tickets for decades, and would sit alongside a whole crowd of other season ticket holders. The few occasions they were too sick to get to the game, my dad tried selling their seats. He had some success for a while, but in the past several years didn't get any takers. He then tried giving them away to family, friends, and co-workers. Again, after some initial success, he couldn't even give the tickets away after a while. That's how bad it is.

More than half the people they used to sit with have just given up & sold their licenses, so this year my parents finally sold theirs. They don't even miss it. So now, instead of freezing their butts off & drinking $10 hot chocolates to watch the Browns lose, they can do it from the comfort of their own home.

I honestly don't know what the organization's problem is or how to fix it, short of scrapping the entire thing to start over. How can one team be so bad for so long? I mean, you'd think with all the 1st round draft picks, you'd have a team of superstars by now.
 
2017-12-27 10:17:12 AM  
The Cleveland Browns can't be terrible forever, can they?

Well, they whiffed on their chance to have Jimmy Garoppolo for just a draft pick, so I'm going with "Yes".
 
2017-12-27 10:22:09 AM  
In true Browns fashion they can't even be first at going 0-16.

//Lions fan.
 
2017-12-27 10:44:34 AM  
A new line should be added to that one song, "you don't tug on Superman's cape,you don't spit into the wind..." and add, "you don't challenge Cleveland to suck for decades" because they'll accept the challenge.
 
2017-12-27 12:27:01 PM  

MmmmBacon: Anyway, I know this is a discussion about the Factory of Sadness, but it really annoys me when someone says that records only matter in the SB era, because that's bunk. Anyone who believes that isn't a true NFL fan.


I'm an Eagles fan. I was born in the 70s. The SB era is only what I know at this point. So I just roll my eyes and ignore anyone who tries to refute the "Eagles have no championships" with "Well, in 1960..." , because in NFL years, that's like talking about the pre-industrial age.  (Or, in modern terms, it's like trying to tell anyone under 25 what the world was like before the Internet changed everything.)

I suspect it's the same (regarding the pre-SB NFL) for the vast majority of NFL fans under the age 60. That doesn't make any of us any less "True" NFL fans, just ones that literally have no frame of reference for comparison.
 
2017-12-27 12:48:42 PM  

Joe_diGriz: MmmmBacon: Anyway, I know this is a discussion about the Factory of Sadness, but it really annoys me when someone says that records only matter in the SB era, because that's bunk. Anyone who believes that isn't a true NFL fan.

I'm an Eagles fan. I was born in the 70s. The SB era is only what I know at this point. So I just roll my eyes and ignore anyone who tries to refute the "Eagles have no championships" with "Well, in 1960..." , because in NFL years, that's like talking about the pre-industrial age.  (Or, in modern terms, it's like trying to tell anyone under 25 what the world was like before the Internet changed everything.)

I suspect it's the same (regarding the pre-SB NFL) for the vast majority of NFL fans under the age 60. That doesn't make any of us any less "True" NFL fans, just ones that literally have no frame of reference for comparison.


1960 is legit. "Super Bowl era" is sort of an arbitrary cutoff. I'll go with "era when it's recognizably the same sport and same league." I know Green Bay fans are quite proud of those leather-helmeted teams that won championships against the likes of Portsmouth and Frankford, but it's all pretty meaningless to the rest of us.
 
2017-12-27 03:54:41 PM  

Craw Fu: Greybrd: Evidently Rosen would rather be a lower pick than play in Cleveland. Evidently th Browns reputation as the QB graveyard of the NFL precedes them.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.​ssf/2017/12/josh_rosen_id_rather_be_a_​lowe.html

Rosen is massively overrated.  He's destined to be a Brown.


I agree but I wouldn't be surprised if it's one of those cases where he refuses to sign and threatens to holds out then entering the draft again next year, if it's allowed. I remember that happening before with someone. At least I'm pretty sure.
 
2017-12-27 05:31:14 PM  
Super Chronic: 1960 is legit. "Super Bowl era" is sort of an arbitrary cutoff.

NFL 1:1, in the beginning:

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/Rams fan
//1951 baby!
///Not counting the SB they won in flyover country
 
2017-12-27 09:47:50 PM  
If by some strange stroke of fate* the Packers had to release Rodgers and the Browns put in a claim on him, if I were Rodgers in that instance, I'd retire rather than play for the Browns.

/then again, the GM who brings the Browns a Super Bowl would be a god among mortals
 
2017-12-27 09:48:58 PM  

lilbjorn: The Cleveland Browns can't be terrible forever, can they?

Well, they whiffed on their chance to have Jimmy Garoppolo for just a draft pick, so I'm going with "Yes".


They were never going to get him.  Jimmy G was a popular guy with a great work ethic who they all loved but just couldn't keep if Brady was gonna refuse to decline.

Bill Belicheck isn't a nice guy or a loyal guy but he's above torpedoing the career of a kid who was basically everything he could've asked for just at the wrong time.  Last I saw they didn't entertain offers from the Browns.  Think bout that the next time anyone says the browns are going to turn around.  Nasty old Bill Belicheck who would sell his mother for a value pick in the 6th round wouldn't send a player there.
 
2017-12-28 05:45:39 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: MmmmBacon: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Yeah, but I think the clock starts with the Super Bowl era, IMHO.

It's funny you should say that, as that's the argument STL "fans" took when people like me would point out the Rams had more success in LA as they did in STL. The NFL Championship the Rams won in 1951 doesn't mean anything? What do they think the Super Bowl is? IT'S THE NFL CHAMPIONSHIP!... just with a flashier name.

11 Division titles
4 Conference titles
1 NFL Championship.
All in LA, over a 50 year span. Winning something of importance 32% of their time there.

As for STL? 3 Division titles, 2 Conference titles, one NFL Championship, in 21 years. That's winning something of importance not quite 29% of the time. Close, but no cigar.

Anyway, I know this is a discussion about the Factory of Sadness, but it really annoys me when someone says that records only matter in the SB era, because that's bunk. Anyone who believes that isn't a true NFL fan.

How many pre-World Series AL and NL championships do you count? Besides, pointing out pre-SB championships is really highlighting going 50 years without.


...like counting Stanley Cup champions before it became an NHL-exclusive trophy?
 
2017-12-28 05:46:28 AM  

germ78: If by some strange stroke of fate* the Packers had to release Rodgers and the Browns put in a claim on him, if I were Rodgers in that instance, I'd retire rather than play for the Browns.

/then again, the GM who brings the Browns a Super Bowl would be a god among mortals


Problem is, there is no Theo Epstein among NFL GMs...
 
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