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(electrek.co)   Judge cited KKK ruling while forcing discovery on auto makers and dealerships over anti Tesla law   ( electrek.co) divider line
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2017-12-13 09:42:58 PM  
The two lawmakers fought against the disclosure of their communications - claiming that there would be a backlash

You can't air our backroom shenanigans with car dealers in public, it would make us look bad!
 
2017-12-13 11:10:59 PM  
One of the lawmakers, Sen. Joe Hune, R-Gregory, is the senator who introduced the last-minute amendment that created the ban in 2014 and his wife, Marcia Hune, is a lobbyist for car dealerships.

oooo...unless they were both incredibly, over the top, insanely careful in everything they said, did, or discussed then one or both of those two is in serious career ending trouble.  it might even end up with the wife in a jail cell, although odds are she might just lose her lobbyist license forever.
 
2017-12-14 01:00:39 AM  
One of the lawmakers, Sen. Joe Hune, R-Gregory, is the senator who introduced the last-minute amendment that created the ban in 2014 and his wife, Marcia Hune, is a lobbyist for car dealerships.

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2017-12-14 01:20:52 AM  
While I consider EV's to be boring as fark, I hope Tesla wins this one.  Car dealerships tend to be complete scumbags, and are easily the worst element of the entire industry.
 
2017-12-14 01:31:32 AM  
It's like if Apple Stores were illegal.
 
2017-12-14 01:37:58 AM  
"Rep. Jason Sheppard, R-Lambertville"... I can't believe Lambertville is big enough to have its own Representative.
 
2017-12-14 01:53:20 AM  

Weaver95: One of the lawmakers, Sen. Joe Hune, R-Gregory, is the senator who introduced the last-minute amendment that created the ban in 2014 and his wife, Marcia Hune, is a lobbyist for car dealerships.

oooo...unless they were both incredibly, over the top, insanely careful in everything they said, did, or discussed then one or both of those two is in serious career ending trouble.  it might even end up with the wife in a jail cell, although odds are she might just lose her lobbyist license forever.


Wait, that requires a license? The government could run on the fees for those forever. Budget problems solved.
 
2017-12-14 01:56:41 AM  

Theaetetus: One of the lawmakers, Sen. Joe Hune, R-Gregory, is the senator who introduced the last-minute amendment that created the ban in 2014 and his wife, Marcia Hune, is a lobbyist for car dealerships.



I'm confused, if you marry a lobbyist, do you still have sex with them?
 
2017-12-14 01:57:32 AM  

Bhaughbb: Wait, that requires a license? The government could run on the fees for those forever


most state governments as well as the federal government require lobbyists to be registered.  its not prohibitively expensive but it generally costs enough to keep the scummy protesters from becoming lobbyists and stinking up the state capital hallways and offices.

there's a thing with lobbyists tho.  soon as they get their name in the papers (for good or ill), odds are they soon find themselves out of a job.  a lobbyist is only good when they get the job done and nobody knows they were even in the building before the vote went down.
 
2017-12-14 02:06:09 AM  
fark Tesla, Elon Musk is a union-busting anti-worker shiatbag
 
2017-12-14 02:09:16 AM  

wademh: Theaetetus: One of the lawmakers, Sen. Joe Hune, R-Gregory, is the senator who introduced the last-minute amendment that created the ban in 2014 and his wife, Marcia Hune, is a lobbyist for car dealerships.


I'm confused, if you marry a lobbyist, do you still have sex with them?


I believe you are required to make all your sexual liaisons to be threesomes where you screw the American public.
 
2017-12-14 02:14:05 AM  

Weaver95: most state governments as well as the federal government require lobbyists to be registered.


Like sex offenders, makes sense.

I enjoyed that the dealer cartel, who wrote the law, claimed to be bystanders.

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2017-12-14 02:22:27 AM  

gunsmack: I enjoyed that the dealer cartel, who wrote the law, claimed to be bystanders.


like I said, lobbyists do best when nobody knows they even exist.  a lobbyist who gets caught being a lobbyist tends to get fired and/or shoved aside.  everyone in government LOVES lobbyists, they just don't want to be seen f*cking them is all.
 
2017-12-14 05:58:10 AM  

wademh: Theaetetus: One of the lawmakers, Sen. Joe Hune, R-Gregory, is the senator who introduced the last-minute amendment that created the ban in 2014 and his wife, Marcia Hune, is a lobbyist for car dealerships.


I'm confused, if you marry a lobbyist, do you still have sex with them?


Only when the others have finished.
 
2017-12-14 07:40:37 AM  
So why the hell shouldn't a car company be able to sell directly to a customer? What would the issue be if I want a Corolla straight from Toyota or a roadster from Tesla?
 
2017-12-14 07:55:31 AM  

kittyhas1000legs: So why the hell shouldn't a car company be able to sell directly to a customer? What would the issue be if I want a Corolla straight from Toyota or a roadster from Tesla?


The market consolidation that would cause could probably have some nasty unintended consequences.
 
2017-12-14 08:13:29 AM  

wildcardjack: It's like if Apple Stores were illegal.


Apple will let anyone sell their stuff.
 
2017-12-14 08:45:20 AM  

kittyhas1000legs: So why the hell shouldn't a car company be able to sell directly to a customer? What would the issue be if I want a Corolla straight from Toyota or a roadster from Tesla?


My understanding is that the Big 3 set up dealerships as independent franchise to spread out way back when the car was new with little financial risk to them self and with massive risk to the independent franchise owners.

After the car had taken hold the the Big 3 set up there own dealerships and undercut the independent franchise dealerships and caused many of them to go bankrupt.

After that laws were passed to stop the Big 3 from setting up dealerships.
 
2017-12-14 08:46:08 AM  

kittyhas1000legs: So why the hell shouldn't a car company be able to sell directly to a customer? What would the issue be if I want a Corolla straight from Toyota or a roadster from Tesla?


It used to be people could go straight to the manufacturer and buy a Model T.  My dad explained the entire evolution of it to me, years ago.  IIRC, dealers colluded with lawmakers to make it illegal, thereby forcing the dealership model on customers.  I think those laws date to the 1930s, and you can be certain those dealerships won't release their grip.
 
2017-12-14 08:57:19 AM  

wildcardjack: It's like if Apple Stores were illegal.


Yeah, I had never thought about why I didn't see Ford dealerships when I was younger, but it seemed bizarre when I heard Tesla was legally blocked.
 
2017-12-14 09:26:11 AM  
It's called regulatory capture and it's harmful to the economy.
 
2017-12-14 10:35:41 AM  

wildcardjack: It's like if Apple Stores were illegal.


It's more like if the computer industry were like the auto industry, all brands would *have* to open Apple Stores, and you could *only* buy your desktops, laptops, tablets, and phones there, and it was illegal to shop online.

That's what the auto industry is trying to get codified into law.
 
2017-12-14 10:38:14 AM  

fusillade762: The two lawmakers fought against the disclosure of their communications - claiming that there would be a backlash

You can't air our backroom shenanigans with car dealers in public, it would make us look bad!


Yeah, I'm not a fan of Tesla vehicles, but the Manufacturer - Dealer setup isn't really there for consumers. I'll wager some of those communications will include some very unflattering comments about consumers.
 
2017-12-14 10:39:17 AM  

ElwoodCuse: fark Tesla, Elon Musk is a union-busting anti-worker shiatbag


Because Ford and GM are the very models of pro-union pro-worker organizations.
 
2017-12-14 11:03:06 AM  

Gary-L: kittyhas1000legs: So why the hell shouldn't a car company be able to sell directly to a customer? What would the issue be if I want a Corolla straight from Toyota or a roadster from Tesla?

It used to be people could go straight to the manufacturer and buy a Model T.  My dad explained the entire evolution of it to me, years ago.  IIRC, dealers colluded with lawmakers to make it illegal, thereby forcing the dealership model on customers.  I think those laws date to the 1930s, and you can be certain those dealerships won't release their grip.


it is hand-in-hand with the beer and liquor distributors model too.  I wonder if a ruling on this could impact that shenanigans business
 
2017-12-14 11:22:52 AM  

Allen262: My understanding is that the Big 3 set up dealerships as independent franchise to spread out way back when the car was new with little financial risk to them self and with massive risk to the independent franchise owners.


You understood wrong.

The manufacturers would love to be able to sell directly to the public.

The dealership model, in theory, requires a seller to be present to service a vehicle.
 
2017-12-14 12:43:11 PM  

This text is now purple: The manufacturers would love to be able to sell directly to the public.


If that were true, they would do it.
 
2017-12-14 01:46:07 PM  

inglixthemad: Yeah, I'm not a fan of Tesla vehicles


What's wrong with "Tesla vehicles"?
 
2017-12-14 01:46:10 PM  

jaytkay: This text is now purple: The manufacturers would love to be able to sell directly to the public.

If that were true, they would do it.


No, they can't.
 
2017-12-14 01:50:43 PM  

Hollie Maea: inglixthemad: Yeah, I'm not a fan of Tesla vehicles

What's wrong with "Tesla vehicles"?


They don't fit my needs, so I'm not a fan. That doesn't mean I despise them Hollie.
 
2017-12-14 02:07:39 PM  

max_pooper: jaytkay: This text is now purple: The manufacturers would love to be able to sell directly to the public.

If that were true, they would do it.

No, they can't.


max_pooper: jaytkay: This text is now purple: The manufacturers would love to be able to sell directly to the public.

If that were true, they would do it.

No, they can't.


Of course they could. They would get the laws changed if they wanted.

Dealerships give the car companies a huge sales and maintenance force without having to employ them.
 
2017-12-14 02:23:51 PM  

gingerjet: ElwoodCuse: fark Tesla, Elon Musk is a union-busting anti-worker shiatbag

Because Ford and GM are the very models of pro-union pro-worker organizations.


The UAW runs those companies; management provides marketing and payroll services.
 
2017-12-14 02:25:59 PM  
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2017-12-14 02:44:10 PM  

PghThermal: he UAW runs those companies; management provides marketing and payroll services


Tell us about the UAW's decision to manufacture GM and Ford cars in countries without auto worker unions.

That sounds real interesting.
 
2017-12-14 08:28:49 PM  

jaytkay: max_pooper: jaytkay: This text is now purple: The manufacturers would love to be able to sell directly to the public.

If that were true, they would do it.

No, they can't.

max_pooper: jaytkay: This text is now purple: The manufacturers would love to be able to sell directly to the public.

If that were true, they would do it.

No, they can't.

Of course they could. They would get the laws changed if they wanted.

Dealerships give the car companies a huge sales and maintenance force without having to employ them.


You are incredibly wrong....
The relationship between dealers an the car companies is largely adversarial..
Used to do IT support for one of the big three. One of the applications we supported was essentially doing data-mining to catch the dealerships swindling them, and they did, boy did they... It was more than once I heard execs from company X cursing the whole dealership structure, that they are basically stuck with...

Dealerships add zero value to the companies, and essentially drain value that would flow up to the company, and also probably retard some level of sales just by how they make buying such a miserable experience..
 
2017-12-15 11:58:38 AM  

fusillade762: The two lawmakers fought against the disclosure of their communications - claiming that there would be a backlash

You can't air our backroom shenanigans with car dealers in public, it would make us look bad!


Sorry kids, "it's awkward" isn't grounds for quashing a subpoena!
 
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