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(The New York Times)   Sen. Susan Collins's (R-ME) big mistake in voting for the GOP tax plan was believing party leadership's promises that secured her vote   ( nytimes.com) divider line
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2017-12-11 12:55:06 PM  
That is odd that the NYT thinks she said that as I just saw her on TV saying she won't speculate on how she will vote on the bill that comes out of the conference committee. She will read it and make her decision then, and she said she is very optimistic.

So, more fake news?
 
2017-12-11 12:58:38 PM  
Frog, scorpion, etc.
 
2017-12-11 01:00:47 PM  
She's going to read it?  What a unique idea.
 
2017-12-11 01:06:08 PM  
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You farked up; you trusted us.

My suggestion is that Senator Collins start drinking heavily.  Either that or that she read bills before she votes for them.
 
2017-12-11 01:08:45 PM  

stan unusual: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360][View Full Size image _x_]
You farked up; you trusted us.

My suggestion is that Senator Collins start drinking heavily.  Either that or that she read bills before she votes for them.


Have you ever heard her speak?  I think she's drunk all the time.  Her being from Maine either confirms it as true or explains why she sounds that way.
 
2017-12-11 01:11:21 PM  
The lie allowed her to vote yes. It was intentional.
 
2017-12-11 01:14:39 PM  
I think she genuinely believed that her party would support her and deliver on their promises to her.

Why anyone would do this, I don't know. But then I don't know why anyone would still be a Republican so I'm not the best at this.

/obviously millionaires and billionaires should be Republicans
 
2017-12-11 01:26:35 PM  
If the house flustercluck tax bill makes it back to the senate for a revote, I would hope that not only Collins would switch her vote to no.
 
2017-12-11 01:40:32 PM  

Gubbo: I think she genuinely believed that her party would support her and deliver on their promises to her.

Why anyone would do this, I don't know. But then I don't know why anyone would still be a Republican so I'm not the best at this.

/obviously millionaires and billionaires should be Republicans


The question I always am left with is this; Is she evil or dumb? The nice old lady act who just wants everyone to be reasonable is nice and all. Still when you are voting for something this evil you are either evil yourself or an idiot for not seeing what you are doing.

All responses from her to me as a voter and citizen of Maine are robotic in nature, vaguely alluding to the subject I contacted her on sometimes, but never an actual response to a direct question. I honestly can't tell if she is dumb or evil, but I wish she would stop voting evil and then playing dumb.
 
2017-12-11 01:52:59 PM  

TwoHead: Gubbo: I think she genuinely believed that her party would support her and deliver on their promises to her.

Why anyone would do this, I don't know. But then I don't know why anyone would still be a Republican so I'm not the best at this.

/obviously millionaires and billionaires should be Republicans

The question I always am left with is this; Is she evil or dumb? The nice old lady act who just wants everyone to be reasonable is nice and all. Still when you are voting for something this evil you are either evil yourself or an idiot for not seeing what you are doing.

All responses from her to me as a voter and citizen of Maine are robotic in nature, vaguely alluding to the subject I contacted her on sometimes, but never an actual response to a direct question. I honestly can't tell if she is dumb or evil, but I wish she would stop voting evil and then playing dumb.


I don't want to speak in general. But in this case, she's misguided. She was under the impression that her vote mattered to her party, and that they would deliver on their promise to her.

Although, given what the rest of the world knows about the GOP, this is certainly dumb. But I can see why should would want to believe her party leadership.
 
2017-12-11 01:56:49 PM  

feckingmorons: That is odd that the NYT thinks she said that as I just saw her on TV saying she won't speculate on how she will vote on the bill that comes out of the conference committee. She will read it and make her decision then, and she said she is very optimistic.

So, more fake news?


How can you call something fake news without actually refuting something in the story?  Specifically, what in the article do you consider falsely reported?
 
2017-12-11 02:02:24 PM  

TwoHead: The question I always am left with is this; Is she evil or dumb?


Neither.  Her party has changed in such fundamental ways that it would never have occured to her not to trust McConnell's word.  They're both on the same team, why would he lie to her?  Why would he deceive her?
 
2017-12-11 02:09:52 PM  

Ambivalence: TwoHead: The question I always am left with is this; Is she evil or dumb?

Neither.  Her party has changed in such fundamental ways that it would never have occured to her not to trust McConnell's word.  They're both on the same team, why would he lie to her?  Why would he deceive her?


That sounds like she's pretty farking dumb though if she hasn't figured that out yet.
 
2017-12-11 02:12:31 PM  
She didn't expect the leopards to eat her face.
 
2017-12-11 02:15:07 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Ambivalence: TwoHead: The question I always am left with is this; Is she evil or dumb?

Neither.  Her party has changed in such fundamental ways that it would never have occured to her not to trust McConnell's word.  They're both on the same team, why would he lie to her?  Why would he deceive her?

That sounds like she's pretty farking dumb though if she hasn't figured that out yet.


They still need her vote on the conference bill though.  Betraying her now really is dumb.
 
2017-12-11 02:22:13 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Ambivalence: TwoHead: The question I always am left with is this; Is she evil or dumb?

Neither.  Her party has changed in such fundamental ways that it would never have occured to her not to trust McConnell's word.  They're both on the same team, why would he lie to her?  Why would he deceive her?

That sounds like she's pretty farking dumb though if she hasn't figured that out yet.


Delusional about how things used to be compared to how things are currently isn't dumb per se.
 
2017-12-11 02:22:20 PM  
She'll still claim that she got lots of great stuff for her constituents and the majority of them will accept that without question.
 
2017-12-11 02:32:08 PM  

Gubbo: AdmirableSnackbar: Ambivalence: TwoHead: The question I always am left with is this; Is she evil or dumb?

Neither.  Her party has changed in such fundamental ways that it would never have occured to her not to trust McConnell's word.  They're both on the same team, why would he lie to her?  Why would he deceive her?

That sounds like she's pretty farking dumb though if she hasn't figured that out yet.

Delusional about how things used to be compared to how things are currently isn't dumb per se.


True, but when someone makes a deal with you in a case like this it's generally good to ensure that they've held up their end of the bargain before you decide to return the favor.  That she believed he would honor the deal was naive.  The fact that she blindly trusted the turtle makes her stupid.
 
2017-12-11 02:33:07 PM  

Gubbo: TwoHead: Gubbo: I think she genuinely believed that her party would support her and deliver on their promises to her.

Why anyone would do this, I don't know. But then I don't know why anyone would still be a Republican so I'm not the best at this.

/obviously millionaires and billionaires should be Republicans

The question I always am left with is this; Is she evil or dumb? The nice old lady act who just wants everyone to be reasonable is nice and all. Still when you are voting for something this evil you are either evil yourself or an idiot for not seeing what you are doing.

All responses from her to me as a voter and citizen of Maine are robotic in nature, vaguely alluding to the subject I contacted her on sometimes, but never an actual response to a direct question. I honestly can't tell if she is dumb or evil, but I wish she would stop voting evil and then playing dumb.

I don't want to speak in general. But in this case, she's misguided. She was under the impression that her vote mattered to her party, and that they would deliver on their promise to her.

Although, given what the rest of the world knows about the GOP, this is certainly dumb. But I can see why should would want to believe her party leadership.


I don't even care if she AND McConnell are 100% sincere.  What in the world is going to make the House vote to shore up Obamacare markets?  If this issue was important enough for her to say that her vote on the tax bill hinged on it, then when this DOESN'T come up in the House and never becomes law, good luck making that "but we voted on it in the Senate!" retort during the 2020 election.
 
2017-12-11 02:52:23 PM  
Who believes she was fooled? Sounds like yet another farking cover story.
 
2017-12-11 02:52:31 PM  
The leopard ate MY face? Noooo, why would it do that?
 
2017-12-11 02:52:57 PM  
She's going to vote for it like a good soldier, her "centrist" mantle was a work. If she was a centrist she wouldn't belong to this party.
 
2017-12-11 02:53:16 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: She'll still claim that she got lots of great stuff for her constituents and the majority of them will accept that without question.


No, I won't accept that without question, but I'm a minority in Central Maine, I stopped doing meth.
 
2017-12-11 02:53:33 PM  
Susan Collins is often called one of the last centrists.

Which is weird because the Democratic is full of centrists.
 
2017-12-11 02:54:49 PM  

Gubbo: I think she genuinely believed that her party would support her and deliver on their promises to her.

Why anyone would do this, I don't know. But then I don't know why anyone would still be a Republican so I'm not the best at this.

/obviously millionaires and billionaires should be Republicans


I don't believe that. She's been around. She has seen Yertle in action. She has seen Grumpf in action. It's like somebody who has been assistant sales manager at Honest John's Used Car Emporium agreeing to sign the purchase agreement for a '98 Olds, taking her own salesman's word for it that the funny noise she hears when she shifts will be fixed next week when the mechanic gets back from vacation. And she knows the mechanic isn't on vacation.
 
2017-12-11 02:54:55 PM  

mrshowrules: feckingmorons: That is odd that the NYT thinks she said that as I just saw her on TV saying she won't speculate on how she will vote on the bill that comes out of the conference committee. She will read it and make her decision then, and she said she is very optimistic.

So, more fake news?

How can you call something fake news without actually refuting something in the story?  Specifically, what in the article do you consider falsely reported?


He ain't too bright.
 
2017-12-11 02:55:30 PM  
If she was a centrist she wouldn't be a Republican
 
2017-12-11 02:55:55 PM  
Hey, Susan:

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2017-12-11 02:58:02 PM  
When I lived in Maine, she was - at the time - one of the intelligent US senators that I thought was decent and voted for her.  Now, while she is still intelligent (in comparison to other current R senators), she's stupid in her dealings with her colleagues.  She hasn't learned that they will say anything to get you to vote the way they want you to.  So unless you actually get what you wanted before hand, you're screwed.
 
2017-12-11 03:00:13 PM  

feckingmorons: That is odd that the NYT thinks she said that as I just saw her on TV saying she won't speculate on how she will vote on the bill that comes out of the conference committee. She will read it and make her decision then, and she said she is very optimistic.

So, more fake news?


No, just from you.
 
2017-12-11 03:00:17 PM  
The funniest part about her falling for the lie on this is that they didn't even need her vote, assuming Mother would let Pence stay out until 2 AM in a room that contains women to break the tie.
 
2017-12-11 03:00:43 PM  
How, how, HOW do you get to be a us senator and be that farking stupid? Of course they're not going to give her jack squat. Where's photo of Matt Foley?
 
2017-12-11 03:00:47 PM  
The greatest trick the Turtle ever pulled was making the world believe anything that came out of his mouth.
 
2017-12-11 03:00:51 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: stan unusual: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360][View Full Size image _x_]
You farked up; you trusted us.

My suggestion is that Senator Collins start drinking heavily.  Either that or that she read bills before she votes for them.

Have you ever heard her speak?  I think she's drunk all the time.  Her being from Maine either confirms it as true or explains why she sounds that way.


Susan Collins has a speech impediment called spasmodic dysphonia, and it's unfair to characterize her based on that. Especially when she has such a rich record of empty gestures 'opposing' her comrades sure-pass measures to fool moderates, while (almost) always coming around to the poor- women- and minority- hating positions her party offers, when it would matter. Ignore the way she says it, and it actually becomes more sinister.
 
2017-12-11 03:01:04 PM  

SpaceyCat: When I lived in Maine, she was - at the time - one of the intelligent US senators that I thought was decent and voted for her.  Now, while she is still intelligent (in comparison to other current R senators), she's stupid in her dealings with her colleagues.  She hasn't learned that they will say anything to get you to vote the way they want you to.  So unless you actually get what you wanted before hand, you're screwed.


I miss Olympia Snowe.
 
2017-12-11 03:01:13 PM  
We're in the age of "pay me up front" politics when it comes to dealing with Republican leadership. Any Democrat, Centrist, or even other Republican who delivers a vote on the "promise" of something else later is a moron.
 
2017-12-11 03:01:28 PM  

SpaceyCat: When I lived in Maine, she was - at the time - one of the intelligent US senators that I thought was decent and voted for her.  Now, while she is still intelligent (in comparison to other current R senators), she's stupid in her dealings with her colleagues.  She hasn't learned that they will say anything to get you to vote the way they want you to.  So unless you actually get what you wanted before hand, you're screwed.


The thing is, she got what she wanted, She wanted to vote "Yes" for massive tax cuts for the rich. The so called promise was just a fig leaf to hide behind.
 
2017-12-11 03:01:31 PM  

PoweredByIrony: The greatest trick the Turtle GOP ever pulled was making the world believe anything that came out of its mouth.


ftfy
 
2017-12-11 03:03:16 PM  
I hope she changes her vote to "no", but in the mean  time I'm having a blast watching the Republicans eat each others faces off.  This is highly entertaining.
 
2017-12-11 03:03:36 PM  
"Centrists." Cute.
 
2017-12-11 03:04:35 PM  

dorko16: The lie allowed her to vote yes. It was intentional.


This.

Also FTA: They are going to have decide which matters more to them: being a loyal Republican or being an actual centrist.

If she was an actual centrist, she'd be a Democrat.
 
2017-12-11 03:08:27 PM  
Why did she depend on a promise.  Why not just read -- or have a staffer read -- the part of the bill that is relevant to her interest?
 
2017-12-11 03:08:45 PM  

Gubbo: I think she genuinely believed that her party would support her and deliver on their promises to her.


Impossible unless deeply irradiated.
 
2017-12-11 03:09:31 PM  
Umm... She is lying?
Come on, this is just her excuse. She knows damn well what the game and agenda is, so this was just another example of party over country. Fark this coont in the goat ass!
 
2017-12-11 03:09:55 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Gubbo: AdmirableSnackbar: Ambivalence: TwoHead: The question I always am left with is this; Is she evil or dumb?

Neither.  Her party has changed in such fundamental ways that it would never have occured to her not to trust McConnell's word.  They're both on the same team, why would he lie to her?  Why would he deceive her?

That sounds like she's pretty farking dumb though if she hasn't figured that out yet.

Delusional about how things used to be compared to how things are currently isn't dumb per se.

True, but when someone makes a deal with you in a case like this it's generally good to ensure that they've held up their end of the bargain before you decide to return the favor.  That she believed he would honor the deal was naive.  The fact that she blindly trusted the turtle makes her stupid.


Mitch might still bring up the two bills she wants.  It is questionable on whether Ryan picks them up.
 
2017-12-11 03:11:06 PM  

mrshowrules: feckingmorons: That is odd that the NYT thinks she said that as I just saw her on TV saying she won't speculate on how she will vote on the bill that comes out of the conference committee. She will read it and make her decision then, and she said she is very optimistic.

So, more fake news?

How can you call something fake news without actually refuting something in the story?  Specifically, what in the article do you consider falsely reported?


It's says "New York Times" but York is actually really old.
 
2017-12-11 03:11:44 PM  
She never believed it.  She only wanted the appearance because she's probably running for governor in 2018. Now she gets to say "Oh well, I tried" instead of admitting that she intentionally gave herself a handout at Mainers' expense.
 
2017-12-11 03:13:14 PM  

derpes_simplex: mrshowrules: feckingmorons: That is odd that the NYT thinks she said that as I just saw her on TV saying she won't speculate on how she will vote on the bill that comes out of the conference committee. She will read it and make her decision then, and she said she is very optimistic.

So, more fake news?

How can you call something fake news without actually refuting something in the story?  Specifically, what in the article do you consider falsely reported?

It's says "New York Times" but York is actually really old.


The article is also fake because it doesn't say how great Trump is.  Not even once.
 
2017-12-11 03:13:15 PM  

stan unusual: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360][View Full Size image _x_]
You farked up; you trusted us.

My suggestion is that Senator Collins start drinking heavily.  Either that or that she read bills before she votes for them.


I wonder how many hours they will get to read it this time before having to vote on it. Maybe two for all 800-900 pages.
 
2017-12-11 03:14:10 PM  

Rapmaster2000: She never believed it.  She only wanted the appearance because she's probably running for governor in 2018. Now she gets to say "Oh well, I tried" instead of admitting that she intentionally gave herself a handout at Mainers' expense.


Yep.  I'm real tired of seeing these people's lies reported on as if they're worth a damn.   They'll step in line to support Nazis, endorse pedos and steal your bread and everything else is crocodile tears.
 
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