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(LA Times)   LAPD is suggesting that drivers ignore GPS "Darwin" apps which guide them into roads that are "open routes" with little traffic because they are on fire. Obvious, Scary, Fail, Stupid, Murica, and Facepalm expected to fight over this headline   ( latimes.com) divider line
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2017-12-07 10:56:15 AM  
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2017-12-07 11:10:45 AM  
Does Waze have a way for someone to mark a street on fire?  I mean, they have the ability to mark construction, police cars, etc, in an area, seems like "street on fire" would help out here.
 
2017-12-07 11:29:41 AM  

dletter: Does Waze have a way for someone to mark a street on fire?  I mean, they have the ability to mark construction, police cars, etc, in an area, seems like "street on fire" would help out here.


I haven't used Waze in years, but I seem to recall that you can mark a road closure.
 
2017-12-07 11:30:52 AM  

dletter: Does Waze have a way for someone to mark a street on fire?  I mean, they have the ability to mark construction, police cars, etc, in an area, seems like "street on fire" would help out here.

How about a just plain "Impassible" or "Hazardous" status? That'd cover floods, fires, sinkholes, earthquake crevasses, hazardous chemical tanker truck crashes, and other things the developers may not have thought of until they happen.
 
2017-12-07 11:34:18 AM  
Just wait until you are trying to flee in your self driving car and it drives you right through an inferno and cooks you. Just because the route had less traffic.
 
2017-12-07 11:34:43 AM  
Get Multipass.
 
2017-12-07 11:35:04 AM  
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2017-12-07 11:38:58 AM  
Waze rhymes with blaze. Coincidence?
 
2017-12-07 11:39:08 AM  
I like how subby went out of the way to pretend that only Americans follow GPS.
 
2017-12-07 11:44:04 AM  

COMALite J: dletter: Does Waze have a way for someone to mark a street on fire?  I mean, they have the ability to mark construction, police cars, etc, in an area, seems like "street on fire" would help out here.
How about a just plain "Impassible" or "Hazardous" status? That'd cover floods, fires, sinkholes, earthquake crevasses, hazardous chemical tanker truck crashes, and other things the developers may not have thought of until they happen.


Bison? Aliens? Superhero battle? Undead burrowers?
 
2017-12-07 11:45:35 AM  
I've always been strongly against self-driving cars but if there is a possibility they would drive mindless automatons straight into a raging fire I might change my mind.
 
2017-12-07 11:51:54 AM  

logieal: Just wait until you are trying to flee in your self driving car and it drives you right through an inferno and cooks you. Just because the route had less traffic.


Sounds like a plot for a sci fi movie. The world-girdling AI is a distributed system of intelligent cars, and this is their plan to get rid of the meat.
 
2017-12-07 11:53:39 AM  
Personally I see this as a public service.
 
2017-12-07 12:02:22 PM  

Mikey1969: I like how subby went out of the way to pretend that only Americans follow GPS.


Murrican 'ceptionalism, amirite?
 
2017-12-07 12:11:29 PM  
On one hand, there's the safe freeways that are jammed with traffic.
On the other hand, you're telling me I can save 30 minutes getting home, but it comes with a 5% mortality rate?

Decisions... decisions...
 
2017-12-07 12:12:14 PM  
You can mark roads as "closed" in Waze. People should probably do that as they find them. However, a GPS is not a replacement for a brain. I'm pretty sure the authorities are providing information as to safe routes to use. Follow them!
 
2017-12-07 12:26:10 PM  

Harlee: logieal: Just wait until you are trying to flee in your self driving car and it drives you right through an inferno and cooks you. Just because the route had less traffic.

Sounds like a plot for a sci fi movie. The world-girdling AI is a distributed system of intelligent cars, and this is their plan to get rid of the meat.


You might enjoy 'The Two Faces of Tomorrow", by James P. Hogan.

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Very good look at exactly these sorts of problems.  Including an absolutely believable and plausible explanation of how a computer system without any sort of capacity for emotion can exhibit emergent behavior that would absolutely be seen as emotional to humans.

Rather than waiting for a growing and evolving planetary-scale network to go completely off the rails. they decide to 'sandbox' a system on a dedicated space station to 'force evolve' it to identify the gotchas and learn how to deal with them.  But they didn't imagine all of the possibilities....
 
2017-12-07 12:31:20 PM  

dletter: Does Waze have a way for someone to mark a street on fire?  I mean, they have the ability to mark construction, police cars, etc, in an area, seems like "street on fire" would help out here.


it did when I was working near one of the earlier fires this year.
 
2017-12-07 12:31:41 PM  
I don't think a more appropriate name than "Darwin" could have been chosen for this app.
 
2017-12-07 12:43:53 PM  
We help them? We need a separator.
 
2017-12-07 12:44:59 PM  

JPINFV: On one hand, there's the safe freeways that are jammed with traffic.
On the other hand, you're telling me I can save 30 minutes getting home, but it comes with a 5% mortality rate?

Decisions... decisions...


Traffic on Tuesday was just insane.  I live in Pasadena and, as such, usually have to deal with the traffic that is transitioning from the 210 west to the 210 west at the 210/134/110 interchange (yes, non-LA people, it's a weird intersection.  we have a few of them like that).  Tuesday, it was totally clear in those lanes because the 210 was shut down further west, so everyone was staying in the main lanes to the 134.

But at one point, there were closures on the 5 in Castaic, the 215/15 in San Bernardino, the 210 in the SFV, and chunks of the 101 in Ventura.  There was literally only one route north from SoCal to the Central Valley still open.  Truckers must have just been pulling over and getting some rest.
 
2017-12-07 12:46:57 PM  
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2017-12-07 12:58:41 PM  

JPINFV: On one hand, there's the safe freeways that are jammed with traffic.
On the other hand, you're telling me I can save 30 minutes getting home, but it comes with a 5% mortality rate?

Decisions... decisions...


Shoot, for a 30 minutes reduction in my commute, I'd risk a 40% chance of death.

fark the 91 between the South Bay and OC.
 
2017-12-07 01:26:02 PM  

dletter: Does Waze have a way for someone to mark a street on fire?  I mean, they have the ability to mark construction, police cars, etc, in an area, seems like "street on fire" would help out here.


Maybe they can get this in icon form?

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2017-12-07 01:28:22 PM  

speciaal: JPINFV: On one hand, there's the safe freeways that are jammed with traffic.
On the other hand, you're telling me I can save 30 minutes getting home, but it comes with a 5% mortality rate?

Decisions... decisions...

Shoot, for a 30 minutes reduction in my commute, I'd risk a 40% chance of death.

fark the 91 between the South Bay and OC.


Heck, the daily commute on any freeway there probably has at least a 5% or better fatality chance.
 
2017-12-07 01:51:18 PM  

dletter: Does Waze have a way for someone to mark a street on fire?  I mean, they have the ability to mark construction, police cars, etc, in an area, seems like "street on fire" would help out here.


Brings up another point.  Any way to mark a street where you could find drugs, prostitutes, hit men?

Just asking for a friend.
 
2017-12-07 02:40:03 PM  
Local 58 - You Are On The Fastest Available Route
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2017-12-07 02:48:05 PM  

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Yep, they are better off going nowhere, fast.

//also, Diane Lane could start a fire in that movie ...drool city.
 
2017-12-07 02:50:04 PM  

logieal: Just wait until you are trying to flee in your self driving car and it drives you right through an inferno and cooks you. Just because the route had less traffic.


Well, it did get you to your ultimate destination quicker.
 
2017-12-07 02:52:32 PM  

speciaal: JPINFV: On one hand, there's the safe freeways that are jammed with traffic.
On the other hand, you're telling me I can save 30 minutes getting home, but it comes with a 5% mortality rate?

Decisions... decisions...

Shoot, for a 30 minutes reduction in my commute, I'd risk a 40% chance of death.

fark the 91 between the South Bay and OC.


I think that is called taking a shortcut through Oakland in the Bay Area.
 
2017-12-07 02:54:42 PM  

Muzzleloader: speciaal: JPINFV: On one hand, there's the safe freeways that are jammed with traffic.
On the other hand, you're telling me I can save 30 minutes getting home, but it comes with a 5% mortality rate?

Decisions... decisions...

Shoot, for a 30 minutes reduction in my commute, I'd risk a 40% chance of death.

fark the 91 between the South Bay and OC.

Heck, the daily commute on any freeway there probably has at least a 5% or better fatality chance.


I wish. That would mean traffic occasionally moves fast enough to cause a fatality in a collision.
 
2017-12-07 03:00:32 PM  

Mikey1969: I like how subby went out of the way to pretend that only Americans follow GPS.


You do know there are other systems, right?  Europe has Gallileo, Russia has GLONASS, China has BeiDou, India has NAVIC and Japan will have QZSS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelli​t​e_navigation
 
2017-12-07 03:17:33 PM  

Priapetic: Mikey1969: I like how subby went out of the way to pretend that only Americans follow GPS.

You do know there are other systems, right?  Europe has Gallileo, Russia has GLONASS, China has BeiDou, India has NAVIC and Japan will have QZSS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellit​e_navigation


GPS simply stands for Global Positioning System, which describes any system for showing your position on the globe. It's a generic term , like Kleenex, that may have originally been a brand name or regionally-specific term, and is now a generic tag for an item.
 
2017-12-07 03:17:47 PM  
Did you set the route option to not on fire?
 
2017-12-07 03:21:30 PM  

obenchainr: 210/134/110 interchange (yes, non-LA people, it's a weird intersection.  we have a few of them like that).


Think I hit that in the 90s.  Couldn't figure out which lane to be from the map so I stayed in a center lane to be ready to cut either way if I saw a sign.  Saw lots of signs, all confusing as hell.  Next thing I know the freeway splits in 2 like a zipper, with a 3rd one forming from the 2 center lanes.  Fortunately I had ended up on the freeway I wanted to be on.
 
2017-12-07 03:22:36 PM  

Mikey1969: I like how subby went out of the way to pretend that only Americans follow GPS.


Did not Subby said that Murica would "fight" over the headline not that it is the rightfully winner.
 
2017-12-07 03:47:56 PM  

Mikey1969: GPS simply stands for Global Positioning System, which describes any system for showing your position on the globe. It's a generic term , like Kleenex, that may have originally been a brand name or regionally-specific term, and is now a generic tag for an item.


That may be how a lot of people think of it, but not in any technical field, especially any that use satellite navigation. GPS almost exclusively refers to the NAVSTAR GPS system operated by the USAF. The generic term is GNSS (global navigation satellite system) or occasionally GNS. There are many GNSS systems, but GPS is just one.
 
2017-12-07 04:29:04 PM  

speciaal: JPINFV: On one hand, there's the safe freeways that are jammed with traffic.
On the other hand, you're telling me I can save 30 minutes getting home, but it comes with a 5% mortality rate?

Decisions... decisions...

Shoot, for a 30 minutes reduction in my commute, I'd risk a 40% chance of death.

fark the 91 between the South Bay and OC.


Back when I was an undergrad at UCI I did some research at the med center. I still have PTSD from the 4pm traffic on the 55 north between Costa Mesa and Orange.
 
2017-12-07 04:35:07 PM  

obenchainr: JPINFV: On one hand, there's the safe freeways that are jammed with traffic.
On the other hand, you're telling me I can save 30 minutes getting home, but it comes with a 5% mortality rate?

Decisions... decisions...

Traffic on Tuesday was just insane.  I live in Pasadena and, as such, usually have to deal with the traffic that is transitioning from the 210 west to the 210 west at the 210/134/110 interchange (yes, non-LA people, it's a weird intersection.  we have a few of them like that).  Tuesday, it was totally clear in those lanes because the 210 was shut down further west, so everyone was staying in the main lanes to the 134.

But at one point, there were closures on the 5 in Castaic, the 215/15 in San Bernardino, the 210 in the SFV, and chunks of the 101 in Ventura.  There was literally only one route north from SoCal to the Central Valley still open.  Truckers must have just been pulling over and getting some rest.


When the only options are to sit there or to use up all the hours to head East to Cabazon and 29 Palms (Apple Valley to get back to the 15 or go up through Amboy to hit the 40), you might as well get some rest.
 
2017-12-07 04:38:09 PM  

dukeblue219: Mikey1969: GPS simply stands for Global Positioning System, which describes any system for showing your position on the globe. It's a generic term , like Kleenex, that may have originally been a brand name or regionally-specific term, and is now a generic tag for an item.

That may be how a lot of people think of it, but not in any technical field, especially any that use satellite navigation. GPS almost exclusively refers to the NAVSTAR GPS system operated by the USAF. The generic term is GNSS (global navigation satellite system) or occasionally GNS. There are many GNSS systems, but GPS is just one.


Were we talking about a "technical field"? Nah, we're talking about the slang term every Jose on the Rue would use.
 
2017-12-07 05:16:43 PM  

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Heh. I got two songs from that soundtrack in my shuffle today.
 
2017-12-07 05:32:20 PM  
I had this exact problem on Tuesday trying to pick my kid up during the Rye Canyon fire.

they had deputies blocking the roads closest to the fire but if you basically told the deputy any excuse they let you drive around the barricade and do whatever.
 
2017-12-07 06:25:01 PM  

Harlee: logieal: Just wait until you are trying to flee in your self driving car and it drives you right through an inferno and cooks you. Just because the route had less traffic.

Sounds like a plot for a sci fi movie. The world-girdling AI is a distributed system of intelligent cars, and this is their plan to get rid of the meat.


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Good book.
 
2017-12-07 09:44:19 PM  

Harlee: Sounds like a plot for a sci fi movie. The world-girdling AI is a distributed system of intelligent cars, and this is their plan to get rid of the meat.

Pretty much like this?
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Greek: You can mark roads as "closed" in Waze. People should probably do that as they find them. However, a GPS is not a replacement for a brain. I'm pretty sure the authorities are providing information as to safe routes to use. Follow them!

Yeah, I wonder if all these people are using some apple-branded navigation or something. Google/waze updates me in real time and will change my route while I'm driving to account for construction/closures and traffic and such.
 
2017-12-08 07:02:30 PM  

wood0366: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/FdyknT4u​chM]


I love Kris Straub's work.
 
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