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2017-12-07 02:43:40 PM  

bigfatbuddhist: AllUpInYa: bigfatbuddhist: AllUpInYa: bigfatbuddhist: AllUpInYa: bigfatbuddhist: AllUpInYa: bigfatbuddhist: AllUpInYa: bigfatbuddhist: AllUpInYa: bigfatbuddhist: AllUpInYa: bigfatbuddhist: 

Good God!  You mean they almost get out of the system what they are paying into it?  You know, through state taxes and social security payments they'll never reap?

You're a halfwit, boy.  Seriously.  You did your best and let me laugh even harder...

Unsurprisingly, an imbecile like you would miss the fact that they shouldn't be here, and therefore, not paying into the system anyway

They've been coming here for over a hundred years.  Only recently did Republicans decide to blame their poor economies on them.  Idiots buy it.  Intelligent people think for themselves...


Again, your reading comprehension fails you.
The discussion was about the sovereignty of borders, not about who to blame for the economy.
Keep up, boy !
Now, get back to reading Where the Red Fern Grows, so you can get that gold star.
 
2017-12-07 02:46:03 PM  

Gubbo: genner: SuperNinjaToad: Pakistan, like any other sovereign country in the world is on Pakistan's side. I'm pretty darn sure if Pakistani drones or military assets are openly killing people (even very bad people) in DC or Walla Walla, WA. NORAD/USAF etc would be shooting them down too.

Subby's an idiot.

With that being said, no worries.. in the real world I'm sure the CIA etc is still working closely with the Pakistanis. You just won;t hear them in the 5 o clock news.

Yeah how dare Obama violate their sovereignty by having Bin Laden killed on Pakistani soil. I'm sure everyone was as equally upset by that as they are now.

He invaded a sovereign nation. Troops on the ground conducting warfare. If that had gone wrong. If OBL wasn't there. If any of a dozen things had happened.

Obama probably resigns in disgrace.

It was high risk high reward.


Exactly! ... and you can bet 100000% the Republicans would've pounce on him HARD! Obama took a HUGE political and personal risk. For that I respect him.

If OBL was anyone OTHER than OBL in that house that day, the fallout for both the POTUS and the US would've been very very significant.
 
2017-12-07 03:01:32 PM  

genner: SuperNinjaToad: Pakistan, like any other sovereign country in the world is on Pakistan's side. I'm pretty darn sure if Pakistani drones or military assets are openly killing people (even very bad people) in DC or Walla Walla, WA. NORAD/USAF etc would be shooting them down too.

Subby's an idiot.

With that being said, no worries.. in the real world I'm sure the CIA etc is still working closely with the Pakistanis. You just won;t hear them in the 5 o clock news.

Yeah how dare Obama violate their sovereignty by having Bin Laden killed on Pakistani soil. I'm sure everyone was as equally upset by that as they are now.


Funny you should mention that.  It never sat very well with me.  I understand that extracting a prisoner is orders of magnitude more difficult.  But, if I had my way, he would be rotting in a prison cell.
 
2017-12-07 03:02:05 PM  

genner: DarkVader: manhole: KarmicDisaster: sithon: What, you didn't think recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's Capital would have consequences did you? Trump has pissed off the entire Muslim world

Well, I'm Pretty Sure that is the idea Bannon had in doing this.

1999: Hillary campaigned that she would push for relocation of embassy - never did it, no problem, yay!
2008: Obama campaigned that he would move it - never did it, no problem, yay!
2016: Trump campaigned that he would move it - did it, tears for years.

Jerusalem was the capital of Israel before Islam. Get over it.

Jerusalem is not and has never been the capital of Israel.  No country in the world recognizes it as the capital of Israel.  The international embassies are in Tel Aviv, because Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel.

Israel itself  declared it was the capital in 1949. Let me guess....... you don't recognize Israel as a country


That declaration is a violation of UN General Assembly mandate 303, established that same year.
(1) the City of Jerusalem shall be established as a corpus separatum under a special international regime and shall be administered by the United Nations; (2) the Trusteeship Council shall be designated to discharge the responsibilities of the Administering Authority ...; and (3) the City of Jerusalem shall include the present municipality of Jerusalem plus the surrounding villages and towns.
The Trusteeship Council shall not allow any actions taken by any interested Government or Governments to divert it from adopting and implementing the Statute of Jerusalem.
I recognize them as country, but one that needs to be punished for their repeated violations of international law.  Instead of moving our Embassy, we should move the UN headquarters there.
 
2017-12-07 03:03:33 PM  

flynn80: Instead of moving our Embassy, we should move the UN headquarters there.


New York resident-like typing detected.
 
2017-12-07 03:05:42 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Gubbo: genner: SuperNinjaToad: Pakistan, like any other sovereign country in the world is on Pakistan's side. I'm pretty darn sure if Pakistani drones or military assets are openly killing people (even very bad people) in DC or Walla Walla, WA. NORAD/USAF etc would be shooting them down too.

Subby's an idiot.

With that being said, no worries.. in the real world I'm sure the CIA etc is still working closely with the Pakistanis. You just won;t hear them in the 5 o clock news.

Yeah how dare Obama violate their sovereignty by having Bin Laden killed on Pakistani soil. I'm sure everyone was as equally upset by that as they are now.

He invaded a sovereign nation. Troops on the ground conducting warfare. If that had gone wrong. If OBL wasn't there. If any of a dozen things had happened.

Obama probably resigns in disgrace.

It was high risk high reward.

Exactly! ... and you can bet 100000% the Republicans would've pounce on him HARD! Obama took a HUGE political and personal risk. For that I respect him.

If OBL was anyone OTHER than OBL in that house that day, the fallout for both the POTUS and the US would've been very very significant.


Does our response count as a win for the concern troll? I'm worried it does.
 
2017-12-07 03:15:09 PM  
Reasonable Human: It's an interesting point: at what point do lands taken in war become legitimate?

Given that there is virtually NO country on earth who's lands were not taken in war or other hostile action, there needs to be some sort of statute of limitation.

The world seems fine with recognizing Vietnam as a single country with a single capital. That is more recent than the 1967 actions in Jerusalem.

Reasonable Human: If Russia wanted to move their capital to Sevastopol (or Donetsk) would we expect the rest of the world to recognise it?

I don't see what good *not* recognizing it does. You either have peaceable relations with another country, or you don't; this isn't a buffet where you can pick and choose.
 
2017-12-07 03:27:09 PM  

sunderland56: I don't see what good *not* recognizing it does


It keeps people from having a great reason to start slaughtering each other.

And Trump didn't get a thing for this rather valuable shift he just handed to Netanyahu.  Some deal maker.
 
2017-12-07 03:30:22 PM  
As if being an international drone flying aficionado weren't already an expensive enough hobby, now people be blasting my You Tube feeds and pizza delivery squadrons like it ain't no thing.  You folks can expect a sternly worded letter from my Hobby Lobbyist (no relation to the discount craft store).
 
2017-12-07 03:40:29 PM  
Picture what the fallout would be if Canada started flying armed drones over Washington, D.C. just executing people who they decided were opponents of their state.
 
2017-12-07 03:47:55 PM  

sunderland56: Reasonable Human: It's an interesting point: at what point do lands taken in war become legitimate?

Given that there is virtually NO country on earth who's lands were not taken in war or other hostile action, there needs to be some sort of statute of limitation.

The world seems fine with recognizing Vietnam as a single country with a single capital. That is more recent than the 1967 actions in Jerusalem.


I don't disagree, there are plenty of other examples of the same issue.

sunderland56: Reasonable Human: If Russia wanted to move their capital to Sevastopol (or Donetsk) would we expect the rest of the world to recognise it?

I don't see what good *not* recognizing it does. You either have peaceable relations with another country, or you don't; this isn't a buffet where you can pick and choose.


It kind of is - the issue with Jerusalem, as I understand it,  is that half of it is on "occupied" land (again, how long before it's viewed as legitimate).  Trump is choosing to have improved relations with Israel at the expense of relations with Jordan (and other countries in the region).

Given that the US already had good relations with Israel (US aid is arguably the reason there is still an Israel) and working with Islamic countries is seen as vital in combating terrorism, it seems a dubious step to me.

My assumption is that the motivation is one or more of:
-Rewarding allies (you scratch my back, etc)
-Business opportunity
-Stirring up tensions in the hope of profiting from them (either politically of literally)
-Distraction theatre.
 
2017-12-07 03:59:48 PM  
America is still sending money to Pakistan, right?
 
2017-12-07 04:05:19 PM  

steklo: sithon: What, you didn't think recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's Capital would have consequences did you? Trump has pissed off the entire Muslim world

Damn fairy tale fake religions.

Jews: I want Jerusalem,
RC's: no wait I want Jerusalem , this is where Jesus was born!
Muslims: Jerusalem belongs to Allah

Here's what I would do. Evacuate EVERYONE from Jerusalem, take all that is worthy, artifacts, historical stuff and then BOMB the crap out of it with a Nuclear bomb. Radiating the place for 100's of years.

Want Jerusalem now? Go right on ahead. Its all yours.

Its because of this farking stupid fairy tale religion shiat why there is all this terrorism in the world.


Nah.  The religion is an excuse.  We're talking Pakistan, gentlemen.  Those guys would kill women and children just so they didn't have to learn how to weave baskets the same way at the people three valleys over.
 
2017-12-07 04:18:11 PM  
In Pakistan it is easier to believe the drones are terrorists than your fellow muslims.
 
2017-12-07 04:40:30 PM  

bigfatbuddhist: You're a halfwit, boy.

bigfatbuddhist: And your lack of examples makes you look stupid, boy.


You now have a Southern accent in lots of people's heads
 
2017-12-07 04:53:52 PM  
No doubt the world's greatest negotiator will change their minds.  Oh, wait.  Looks like he already did.
 
2017-12-07 05:41:14 PM  
When did Pakistan say they were on "our side" in the first place?
 
2017-12-07 05:44:17 PM  

puddleonfire: America is still sending money to Pakistan, right?


We send twice as much to the Israelis, and they treat us like total shiat.
 
2017-12-07 05:44:31 PM  

SoundOfOneHandWanking: When did Pakistan say they were on "our side" in the first place?


Cold War
 
2017-12-07 05:59:07 PM  

rcain: Psychopusher: rcain: Pakistan, like all other nations is a SOVERIEGN STATE. And the US has no right violating airspace or conducting military operations on their soil without the expressed permission of their government

Yes, I know this runs afoul of the typical American arrogance that thinks all nations are the biatches of the US.

More or less this.  But would think that the billions in aid the US gives to Pakistan would allow for some terrorist hunting consideration.

Well, then take away the aid, or increase the diplomacy
I think it might be the latter rather than the former that is the real issue here


I can agree with this.  granted as far as I see it with all the homeless and people going hungry in the USA we shouldn't be giving any money to any nation for aid.  It should all stay here.  Screw them.  Ya this might mean that some people in that country might go hungry or such.


And for the record I didn't vote for Trump.  Can't stand what he has done.  But I have always though that it is stupid for us to give aid to other counties to feed/care for their people when we have so many in the USA who need that help. Once we done with our people if there is any left then send it out.
 
2017-12-07 06:18:26 PM  

sunderland56: Psychopusher: But would think that the billions in aid the US gives to Pakistan would allow for some terrorist hunting consideration.

It might give the USA the right to *ask* if they can conduct military operations, yes. But no amount of money gives you the right to invade a foreign country and kill it's citizens without any warning.

Just imagine what Fox News would say if Pakistani troops invaded Iowa in search of some fugitive.


You have a point, but it could be argued that a condition of that monetary aid would allow the US to do just that. No operations? No money. Not an automatic thing, but negotiations could allow that explicitly.
 
2017-12-07 06:25:36 PM  

IamAwake: rcain: Pakistan, like all other nations is a SOVERIEGN STATE. And the US has no right violating airspace or conducting military operations on their soil without the expressed permission of their government

Yes, I know this runs afoul of the typical American arrogance that thinks all nations are the biatches of the US.

This.  I mean, for fark's sake people.  Enough of the "but but ...terrorists!" - we farking made them.  They are our creation.   Do we think we're going to bomb them into submission, while disregarding sovereignty of our allies?  We don't think that will be a problem when the children of today are the adults of tomorrow?


and maybe/also if we stopped doing things like violating sovereign airspace and forcing everything American onto everyone, people might hate us less and not want to blow us up.
 
2017-12-07 06:50:32 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Gubbo: genner: SuperNinjaToad: Pakistan, like any other sovereign country in the world is on Pakistan's side. I'm pretty darn sure if Pakistani drones or military assets are openly killing people (even very bad people) in DC or Walla Walla, WA. NORAD/USAF etc would be shooting them down too.

Subby's an idiot.

With that being said, no worries.. in the real world I'm sure the CIA etc is still working closely with the Pakistanis. You just won;t hear them in the 5 o clock news.

Yeah how dare Obama violate their sovereignty by having Bin Laden killed on Pakistani soil. I'm sure everyone was as equally upset by that as they are now.

He invaded a sovereign nation. Troops on the ground conducting warfare. If that had gone wrong. If OBL wasn't there. If any of a dozen things had happened.

Obama probably resigns in disgrace.

It was high risk high reward.

Exactly! ... and you can bet 100000% the Republicans would've pounce on him HARD! Obama took a HUGE political and personal risk. For that I respect him.

If OBL was anyone OTHER than OBL in that house that day, the fallout for both the POTUS and the US would've been very very significant.


If Osama wasn't there, Obama would have fired a general, Pakistan would have wrote a strongly worded letter to the UN and the world would have forgotten about the while thing by time the next Kardashian had a baby or something.

Yes the Republicans would have harped on Obama and probably Hillary for awhile, but then someone on the internet would come up with a catchy, ironic name like Pakistanigate  and we'd all laugh and laugh at those stupid Republicans; possibly calling them out for being hypocrites for suddenly not supporting the war on terror.
 
2017-12-07 06:56:59 PM  
Did you know that the United States is fourth on the world list of the countries with the most American-haters?


Just kidding. It is third, behind China and India.

But they do have four times your population, and Brazil and Indonesia are smaller.

But take comfort:  Russians love you. You are so much better at running a country than Russians are.

The last time they were seen, the American and Chinese GINI coefficients were headed towards Mexico hand in hand with Donald Trump and his motley crew of rejects, retards and repugs.

Google GINI.

No, it is not how Trump spells Gyna.
 
2017-12-07 07:03:26 PM  

Gubbo: Nick Nostril: 

Sounds complicated, lets just drop some bombs.


Good for bidness, right?
 
2017-12-07 07:05:07 PM  

ChipNASA: You want Tomahawk Missiles? Because this is how you get Tomahawk Missiles.
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Cool.

They go up, then they go sparky sparky, then they go sideways and then they go real fast.

More fun than a barrel of monkeys dressed as Donald Trump.

Tomahawks are my new BFFs. I want some for Christmas.
 
2017-12-07 07:07:03 PM  
If I had a rocket launcher, somebody would pay.

Because I sure as Hell wouldn't. Them things is expensive.
 
2017-12-07 07:11:03 PM  
Make me God Emperor for the Day and I promise that at least one country in the World would survive. I haven't picked which one yet.

How about Costa Rica? They are one of the greenest countries on Earth and although they are poor they are full of American rand Canadian retirees. Rush LImbaugh once threatened to move there. I guess Costa Rican Boys are nearly as sexy as Dominican Orphans. Also he is a big fat loathsome hypocrite. He KNOWS that Costa Rican health care is great although the country is poor and it can't pay the highest health care bills in the world like the USA, followed at half cost by Canada.
 
2017-12-07 07:11:03 PM  

Likwit: rcain: WTFDYW: rcain: Pakistan, like all other nations is a SOVERIEGN STATE. And the US has no right violating airspace or conducting military operations on their soil without the expressed permission of their government

Yes, I know this runs afoul of the typical American arrogance that thinks all nations are the biatches of the US.

You don't live here any more. What's it to you. Your opinion means shiat now.

No I don't live in the US anymore -- but I'm still a US Citizen with a US Passport
As an Expat, I really don't like seeing the US Military running amok in other Nations in violation of International Law

And frankly, being a Citizen of the World gives my opinion FAR MORE WEIGHT than some closed minded country bumpkin that thinks that just because I live abroad my opinion no longer matters

We have confirmation that rcain is a parody account. And a brilliant one at that.

Could this be a new 'gym in 26 minutes'?


Dude -- I went expat on Tuesday, presently in Playas de Tijuana MX, right on the other side of the border fence and will be working my way down to Guadalajara next week, where I will stay a few months before relocating to Canada, then Europe for a bit. I had been considering this since 2012, so it wasn't just because of Trump. In fact, the original reason was to live cut rate abroad while working on my Startup and working part time for my clients back in the US and earning my Silicon Valley level income
 
2017-12-07 07:21:44 PM  

Latinwolf: Psychopusher: rcain: Pakistan, like all other nations is a SOVERIEGN STATE. And the US has no right violating airspace or conducting military operations on their soil without the expressed permission of their government

Yes, I know this runs afoul of the typical American arrogance that thinks all nations are the biatches of the US.

More or less this.  But would think that the billions in aid the US gives to Pakistan would allow for some terrorist hunting consideration.

Why is the U.S. giving them aid if they are not helping with taking down the terrorist?


Logistics.

A majority of US forces in Afghanistan are supplied by truck convoys which pass goods from ports on Pakistan to Afghanistan.
 Without those routes you can not supply the forces in country. There are no alternative routes either so its Pakistani 'trump' card.

So unless we are going to expand our 14 year war to include a nuclear armed 'ally' we have to at least pay heed to their demands.
 
2017-12-07 07:53:36 PM  

Gubbo: manhole: KarmicDisaster: sithon: What, you didn't think recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's Capital would have consequences did you? Trump has pissed off the entire Muslim world

Well, I'm Pretty Sure that is the idea Bannon had in doing this.

1999: Hillary campaigned that she would push for relocation of embassy - never did it, no problem, yay!
2008: Obama campaigned that he would move it - never did it, no problem, yay!
2016: Trump campaigned that he would move it - did it, tears for years.

Jerusalem was the capital of Israel before Islam. Get over it.

Almost hard to believe that you haven't single handedly solved the Middle East issues.


The entire Senate voted for it too, just, six months ago; try to keep up: https://www.senate.gov/legislativ​e/LIS​/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cf​m?congress=115&session=1&vote=00138
 
2017-12-07 08:00:06 PM  

flynn80: genner: DarkVader: manhole: KarmicDisaster: sithon: What, you didn't think recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's Capital would have consequences did you? Trump has pissed off the entire Muslim world

Well, I'm Pretty Sure that is the idea Bannon had in doing this.

1999: Hillary campaigned that she would push for relocation of embassy - never did it, no problem, yay!
2008: Obama campaigned that he would move it - never did it, no problem, yay!
2016: Trump campaigned that he would move it - did it, tears for years.

Jerusalem was the capital of Israel before Islam. Get over it.

Jerusalem is not and has never been the capital of Israel.  No country in the world recognizes it as the capital of Israel.  The international embassies are in Tel Aviv, because Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel.

Israel itself  declared it was the capital in 1949. Let me guess....... you don't recognize Israel as a country

That declaration is a violation of UN General Assembly mandate 303, established that same year.
(1) the City of Jerusalem shall be established as a corpus separatum under a special international regime and shall be administered by the United Nations; (2) the Trusteeship Council shall be designated to discharge the responsibilities of the Administering Authority ...; and (3) the City of Jerusalem shall include the present municipality of Jerusalem plus the surrounding villages and towns.
The Trusteeship Council shall not allow any actions taken by any interested Government or Governments to divert it from adopting and implementing the Statute of Jerusalem.
I recognize them as country, but one that needs to be punished for their repeated violations of international law.  Instead of moving our Embassy, we should move the UN headquarters there.


The UN is not Israel. Israel says it's the capital - they are a sovereign state.
 
2017-12-07 08:01:19 PM  

DarkVader: manhole: KarmicDisaster: sithon: What, you didn't think recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's Capital would have consequences did you? Trump has pissed off the entire Muslim world

Well, I'm Pretty Sure that is the idea Bannon had in doing this.

1999: Hillary campaigned that she would push for relocation of embassy - never did it, no problem, yay!
2008: Obama campaigned that he would move it - never did it, no problem, yay!
2016: Trump campaigned that he would move it - did it, tears for years.

Jerusalem was the capital of Israel before Islam. Get over it.

Jerusalem is not and has never been the capital of Israel.  No country in the world recognizes it as the capital of Israel.  The international embassies are in Tel Aviv, because Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel.


Israel decides their capital - not globalists.
 
2017-12-07 08:18:07 PM  

manhole: Gubbo: manhole: KarmicDisaster: sithon: What, you didn't think recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's Capital would have consequences did you? Trump has pissed off the entire Muslim world

Well, I'm Pretty Sure that is the idea Bannon had in doing this.

1999: Hillary campaigned that she would push for relocation of embassy - never did it, no problem, yay!
2008: Obama campaigned that he would move it - never did it, no problem, yay!
2016: Trump campaigned that he would move it - did it, tears for years.

Jerusalem was the capital of Israel before Islam. Get over it.

Almost hard to believe that you haven't single handedly solved the Middle East issues.

The entire Senate voted for it too, just, six months ago; try to keep up: https://www.senate.gov/legislative​/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cf​m.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=0013​8


Yes, you've ignored the earlier points about context and nuance and fact. That vote also called for the 2 state solution and a few other things.

But also, sometimes you say things for the sake of saying them with exactly no intention of doing them. Its called realpolitik. It's important in life.
 
2017-12-07 08:33:03 PM  

rcain: Pakistan, like all other nations is a SOVERIEGN STATE. And the US has no right violating airspace or conducting military operations on their soil without the expressed permission of their government

Yes, I know this runs afoul of the typical American arrogance that thinks all nations are the biatches of the US.


So, how about nations that shelter known terrorists who attack American and western interests?

Are you saying America should bend over and be Pakistan's biatch?
 
2017-12-07 09:05:15 PM  

rcain: Pakistan, like all other nations is a SOVERIEGN STATE. And the US has no right violating airspace or conducting military operations on their soil without the expressed permission of their government

Yes, I know this runs afoul of the typical American arrogance that thinks all nations are the biatches of the US.


Not to mention: WE KEEP F*CKING SHOOTING F*CKING CIVILIANS! Of COURSE they're pissed! Half the time, we hit the terrorist and Grandma!
 
2017-12-07 09:51:21 PM  

rcain: Likwit: rcain: WTFDYW: rcain: Pakistan, like all other nations is a SOVERIEGN STATE. And the US has no right violating airspace or conducting military operations on their soil without the expressed permission of their government

Yes, I know this runs afoul of the typical American arrogance that thinks all nations are the biatches of the US.

You don't live here any more. What's it to you. Your opinion means shiat now.

No I don't live in the US anymore -- but I'm still a US Citizen with a US Passport
As an Expat, I really don't like seeing the US Military running amok in other Nations in violation of International Law

And frankly, being a Citizen of the World gives my opinion FAR MORE WEIGHT than some closed minded country bumpkin that thinks that just because I live abroad my opinion no longer matters

We have confirmation that rcain is a parody account. And a brilliant one at that.

Could this be a new 'gym in 26 minutes'?

Dude -- I went expat on Tuesday, presently in Playas de Tijuana MX, right on the other side of the border fence and will be working my way down to Guadalajara next week, where I will stay a few months before relocating to Canada, then Europe for a bit. I had been considering this since 2012, so it wasn't just because of Trump. In fact, the original reason was to live cut rate abroad while working on my Startup and working part time for my clients back in the US and earning my Silicon Valley level income


I'm A Citizen of the World too. I travel extensively and live for half the year in Kyoto. So my opinion also has FAR MORE WEIGHT than these closed-minded country bumpkins.

This is a fun game. Thanks.
 
2017-12-07 09:51:26 PM  

sunderland56: Psychopusher: But would think that the billions in aid the US gives to Pakistan would allow for some terrorist hunting consideration.

It might give the USA the right to *ask* if they can conduct military operations, yes. But no amount of money gives you the right to invade a foreign country and kill it's citizens without any warning.

Just imagine what Fox News would say if Pakistani troops invaded Iowa in search of some fugitive.


Let's not give Recep Erdogan any ideas, kay?
 
2017-12-07 10:33:18 PM  

Mergatroid: rcain: Pakistan, like all other nations is a SOVERIEGN STATE. And the US has no right violating airspace or conducting military operations on their soil without the expressed permission of their government

Yes, I know this runs afoul of the typical American arrogance that thinks all nations are the biatches of the US.

So, how about nations that shelter known terrorists who attack American and western interests?

Are you saying America should bend over and be Pakistan's biatch?


Then we do like we did with Afghanistan and go to War. Because that's exactly what happened there when the Taliban Gov't refused to cooperate and hand over Osama bin Laden after 9/11

However, seeing as how Pakistan has nukes, and could actually do some serious damage, I don't think that's all to likely.  Better to work out some diplomacy and ASK NICELY before conducting drone strikes, or working jointly with Pakistani Forces. I understand that a lot of Americans grew up on Dirty Harry and War Movies in which lone renegades who couldn't give two farks about laws, rules and conventions go around killing anyone they please as long as they are the "bad guys" -- but that shiat is comic book fodder and in real life, is both dangerous and idiotic. But hey -- that's America for you. A nation of psychotic morons with guns
 
2017-12-07 10:37:17 PM  

Likwit: rcain: Likwit: rcain: WTFDYW: rcain: Pakistan, like all other nations is a SOVERIEGN STATE. And the US has no right violating airspace or conducting military operations on their soil without the expressed permission of their government

Yes, I know this runs afoul of the typical American arrogance that thinks all nations are the biatches of the US.

You don't live here any more. What's it to you. Your opinion means shiat now.

No I don't live in the US anymore -- but I'm still a US Citizen with a US Passport
As an Expat, I really don't like seeing the US Military running amok in other Nations in violation of International Law

And frankly, being a Citizen of the World gives my opinion FAR MORE WEIGHT than some closed minded country bumpkin that thinks that just because I live abroad my opinion no longer matters

We have confirmation that rcain is a parody account. And a brilliant one at that.

Could this be a new 'gym in 26 minutes'?

Dude -- I went expat on Tuesday, presently in Playas de Tijuana MX, right on the other side of the border fence and will be working my way down to Guadalajara next week, where I will stay a few months before relocating to Canada, then Europe for a bit. I had been considering this since 2012, so it wasn't just because of Trump. In fact, the original reason was to live cut rate abroad while working on my Startup and working part time for my clients back in the US and earning my Silicon Valley level income

I'm A Citizen of the World too. I travel extensively and live for half the year in Kyoto. So my opinion also has FAR MORE WEIGHT than these closed-minded country bumpkins.

This is a fun game. Thanks.


lol -- it is a fun game. And I think more Americans should travel abroad -- if anything it would help ease some of the xenophobia that is running rampant across the US right now, and show people in less fortunate communities in the US that they have so many nice things and that maybe they shouldn't be so angry and voting for people who are hell bent on farking everything up
 
2017-12-07 10:45:19 PM  

Reasonable Human: It kind of is - the issue with Jerusalem, as I understand it, is that half of it is on "occupied" land


So build the US Embassy on the other half.
 
2017-12-07 11:00:44 PM  

genner: SuperNinjaToad: Pakistan, like any other sovereign country in the world is on Pakistan's side. I'm pretty darn sure if Pakistani drones or military assets are openly killing people (even very bad people) in DC or Walla Walla, WA. NORAD/USAF etc would be shooting them down too.

Subby's an idiot.

With that being said, no worries.. in the real world I'm sure the CIA etc is still working closely with the Pakistanis. You just won;t hear them in the 5 o clock news.

Yeah how dare Obama violate their sovereignty by having Bin Laden killed on Pakistani soil. I'm sure everyone was as equally upset by that as they are now.


Actually back when it happened, among Americans it was mostly Republicans who were upset when Bin Laden was killed, especially Trump since his TV program was pre-empted in order for Obama to announce Laden getting killed.  Not a single Fark Republican had anything good to say about this action.
 
2017-12-07 11:10:20 PM  

sunderland56: Reasonable Human: It kind of is - the issue with Jerusalem, as I understand it, is that half of it is on "occupied" land

So build the US Embassy on the other half.


And recognise the capital as West Jerusalem?  That pleases nobody.
 
2017-12-08 01:05:57 AM  

Reasonable Human: sunderland56: So build the US Embassy on the other half.

And recognise the capital as West Jerusalem?  That pleases nobody.


"Pleasing Nobody" is the name of my Donald Trump tribute band.

In any case - embassies are often not strictly within the boundaries of the capital city, but are close by.
 
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