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2017-12-06 06:25:53 PM  
lemme guess - shiatload of guns at home.
 
2017-12-06 09:11:17 PM  
GIS for black eye mugshot is disturbing. I don't recommend it.

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/Bad at following own advice
 
2017-12-06 09:33:14 PM  
Correction subby, white man. It's time white people addressed white-on-white crime in their community.
 
2017-12-06 09:40:05 PM  
"Religion of peace"
When are we going to acknowledge the problem and put a ban on white Christians entering the country?
 
2017-12-06 09:41:07 PM  
FTFA: "...claimed it was the combination of drinking alcohol and hearing vibrations and voices that made him want to murder someone."

Yeah, I'm going with one being a much likelier cause than the other. Seriously, this is a person who has probably needed to be institutionalized for a while now, and needs to be now more than ever, but who we just ignore until this sort of event happens and then imprison forever when it inevitably does.

Add "effective diagnosis and care for the mentally ill" to the loooong list of shiat America needs to stop putting off.
 
2017-12-06 09:41:54 PM  

slackananda: GIS for black eye mugshot is disturbing. I don't recommend it.

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/Bad at following own advice


I have to give him credit, he found a look that worked for him and committed. That's a face that says "only one of us is getting out of this holding cell alive".
 
2017-12-06 09:47:10 PM  

Cewley: lemme guess - shiatload of guns at home.


Ok mod/mins. Take this off the main page now and put it on the Politics tab. Boobies shows where this ship is sailing.
 
2017-12-06 09:47:47 PM  
Elijah Wood looks like shat
 
2017-12-06 09:48:54 PM  

WTFDYW: Cewley: lemme guess - shiatload of guns at home.

Ok mod/mins. Take this off the main page now and put it on the Politics tab. Boobies shows where this ship is sailing.


Whar boobies, whar?
 
2017-12-06 09:49:42 PM  

deadsanta: Yeah, I'm going with one being a much likelier cause than the other.


Probably so. Obviously he was not well, and substance abuse is very often co-morbid with psychiatric disorders so the story checks out the way he tells it anyhow.
 
2017-12-06 09:52:58 PM  

Nurglitch: Correction subby, white man. It's time white people addressed white-on-white crime in their community.


How do you know the victim is white?

lol_conservatards: "Religion of peace"
When are we going to acknowledge the problem and put a ban on white Christians entering the country?


how do you know he's a christian?
 
2017-12-06 09:57:03 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: slackananda: GIS for black eye mugshot is disturbing. I don't recommend it.

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/Bad at following own advice

I have to give him credit, he found a look that worked for him and committed. That's a face that says "only one of us is getting out of this holding cell alive".


The crown of thorns against the android face is an expected touch.
 
2017-12-06 10:00:59 PM  
Why the hell didn't just buy gun like everyone else in AZ? I bet he got that shiner from the butt of a pistol.
 
2017-12-06 10:12:13 PM  
Damn, they detained the shiat out of that guy. Sounds like he deserved it though.
 
2017-12-06 10:12:24 PM  
oh they mad!
 
2017-12-06 10:13:34 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: slackananda: GIS for black eye mugshot is disturbing. I don't recommend it.

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/Bad at following own advice

I have to give him credit, he found a look that worked for him and committed. That's a face that says "only one of us is getting out of this holding cell alive".


I was gonna go with "lol what a retard" but I like yours better.
 
2017-12-06 10:17:31 PM  
I would be fine with that being a before pic, and the mugshot taken in the morgue.  It's one thing to have a problem with a cop, fight the cop, he's armed.  Two family members just walking down the street is a different matter.  A bigger coward than the young man who shot a cop, then called a coward for running.
 
2017-12-06 10:20:29 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Why the hell didn't just buy gun like everyone else in AZ? I bet he got that shiner from the butt of a pistol.


It wouldn't surprise me if this guy has convictions, a restraining order or two, or documented psychiatric issues which would have meant a failed NICS.

ToughActinProlactin: deadsanta: Yeah, I'm going with one being a much likelier cause than the other.

Probably so. Obviously he was not well, and substance abuse is very often co-morbid with psychiatric disorders so the story checks out the way he tells it anyhow.


 Yep. When we fail to treat people with psychiatric disorders, they often try to self medicate and it usually just makes things worse for that person.
 
2017-12-06 10:25:28 PM  
... okay, given what he did, i'm putting this one down as "restrained and minimal police violence"

Trying to run over the officers wife is the sort of thing that can cause you to trip all the way up five flights of stairs and back down again, before falling out a window onto a sidewalk full of bullets.
 
2017-12-06 10:31:38 PM  
I'm against the death penalty, but someone intentionally running someone down?  I wouldn't vote to convict someone who snapped at seeing that and beat the perp to death.
 
2017-12-06 10:34:34 PM  
ARE YOU NOT DETAINED?
 
2017-12-06 10:39:08 PM  

Nurglitch: Correction subby, white man. It's time white people addressed white-on-white crime in their community.


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 Snarky, but not far from the truth. It's no surprise that life is cheap when you're from a place where you never see any indication otherwise, and our nation is very sadly peppered with them from Sea to Oily Sea.

No hope for advancement, little chance for long term survival, legal consequences are arbitrary and rarely connected to facts, terms like "Crab Bucket" apply when somebody tries to escape. This is a colorblind and equal opportunity problem.

It hits me in the gut when i see a story where somebody says that Mr. Rogers was the only FutherMucking person to EVER tell them:" I love you just the way you are."

And then PBS funding gets cut again.

ask yourself if this applies to you. If the answer is "yes", then start taking steps to UnFuq your life.
 
2017-12-06 10:39:52 PM  

deadsanta: FTFA: "...claimed it was the combination of drinking alcohol and hearing vibrations and voices that made him want to murder someone."

Yeah, I'm going with one being a much likelier cause than the other. Seriously, this is a person who has probably needed to be institutionalized for a while now, and needs to be now more than ever, but who we just ignore until this sort of event happens and then imprison forever when it inevitably does.

Add "effective diagnosis and care for the mentally ill" to the loooong list of shiat America needs to stop putting off.


Depending on how you define "effective", isn't locking up people like this forever as good as it gets? What would be better, assuming capital punishment is off the table(cause I'm a softie)?
 
2017-12-06 10:45:47 PM  

slackananda: GIS for black eye mugshot is disturbing. I don't recommend it.

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/Bad at following own advice


When I see this I wish euthanasia was legal
 
2017-12-06 10:45:50 PM  

lack of warmth: I would be fine with that being a before pic, and the mugshot taken in the morgue.  It's one thing to have a problem with a cop, fight the cop, he's armed.  Two family members just walking down the street is a different matter.  A bigger coward than the young man who shot a cop, then called a coward for running.


He didn't know who they were, he was just looking for a victim.
 
2017-12-06 10:47:42 PM  

deadsanta: FTFA: "...claimed it was the combination of drinking alcohol and hearing vibrations and voices that made him want to murder someone."

Yeah, I'm going with one being a much likelier cause than the other. Seriously, this is a person who has probably needed to be institutionalized for a while now, and needs to be now more than ever, but who we just ignore until this sort of event happens and then imprison forever when it inevitably does.

Add "effective diagnosis and care for the mentally ill" to the loooong list of shiat America needs to stop putting off.


i agree with you. if the USA government gave a damn about their people the mentally ill would be receiving the help they need. our elected officials don't give a damn about us.
 
2017-12-06 10:49:06 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Nurglitch: Correction subby, white man. It's time white people addressed white-on-white crime in their community.

How do you know the victim is white?

lol_conservatards: "Religion of peace"
When are we going to acknowledge the problem and put a ban on white Christians entering the country?

how do you know he's a christian?


I'm going to threadjack because this thread is dumb and no promise of improving.

Sssooo....I used to have the Sir Digby Chicken Caesar music as my ringtone. Now I can't find Mitchell and Webb streamable anywhere. I am seeing the appeal of pirating.
 
2017-12-06 11:01:33 PM  
In Boudyro's world every living person would get an annual physical and mental check. We've got what to check for physically down pretty well. Imagine if we had a means to detect mental disparities as readily.

How many times have we heard about people having issues that become crystal clear as soon as they "heard that was a thing". It's as simple as why don't we test kids for dyslexia automatically instead if waiting until a problem presents. Not to memtion any chance to catch and change a sociopath or psychopath early can only benefit society.

I get we aren't at the same point yet where such an approach would be perfect but it would be an improvement, while giving us a much better data set to learn from.
 
2017-12-06 11:03:49 PM  

deadsanta: FTFA: "...claimed it was the combination of drinking alcohol and hearing vibrations and voices that made him want to murder someone."

Yeah, I'm going with one being a much likelier cause than the other. Seriously, this is a person who has probably needed to be institutionalized for a while now, and needs to be now more than ever, but who we just ignore until this sort of event happens and then imprison forever when it inevitably does.

Add "effective diagnosis and care for the mentally ill" to the loooong list of shiat America needs to stop putting off.


But we must pay for all our privately owned prisons with our citizens lives. I hate living here more every day.
 
2017-12-06 11:17:26 PM  
Dude ran over a woman, and injured a child. And the wife of a county  deputy Sheriff, no less. He's Gottverdammt lucky that they didn't just shoot his ass in the street...
 
2017-12-06 11:17:52 PM  

Birnone: deadsanta: FTFA: "...claimed it was the combination of drinking alcohol and hearing vibrations and voices that made him want to murder someone."

Yeah, I'm going with one being a much likelier cause than the other. Seriously, this is a person who has probably needed to be institutionalized for a while now, and needs to be now more than ever, but who we just ignore until this sort of event happens and then imprison forever when it inevitably does.

Add "effective diagnosis and care for the mentally ill" to the loooong list of shiat America needs to stop putting off.

Depending on how you define "effective", isn't locking up people like this forever as good as it gets? What would be better, assuming capital punishment is off the table(cause I'm a softie)?


There is plenty of research and use of evidence based treatments for mental illnesses. It isn't a dichotomy of do nothing and lock them up forever. A lot depends on the person's willingness and ability to adhere to treatment protocols. Sometimes, locked wards are the only feasible solution, but we can do better as a country than just, "Sorry, sucker, you can't pay a deductible, go live on the street," and, "Go to jail, go directly to jail." And, one way or another, we failed several people in this tragedy.
 
2017-12-06 11:26:56 PM  

Boudyro: In Boudyro's world every living person would get an annual physical and mental check. We've got what to check for physically down pretty well. Imagine if we had a means to detect mental disparities as readily.

How many times have we heard about people having issues that become crystal clear as soon as they "heard that was a thing". It's as simple as why don't we test kids for dyslexia automatically instead if waiting until a problem presents. Not to memtion any chance to catch and change a sociopath or psychopath early can only benefit society.

I get we aren't at the same point yet where such an approach would be perfect but it would be an improvement, while giving us a much better data set to learn from.


I absolutely agree. Maybe with the ones that went through the yearly testing we could tattoo a number on them to let others know that they've been tested. I'm thinking on their arm, or maybe we could let them embroider say symbol or something on their clothes. How about a gold star? Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
 
2017-12-06 11:38:26 PM  

morg: lack of warmth: I would be fine with that being a before pic, and the mugshot taken in the morgue.  It's one thing to have a problem with a cop, fight the cop, he's armed.  Two family members just walking down the street is a different matter.  A bigger coward than the young man who shot a cop, then called a coward for running.

He didn't know who they were, he was just looking for a victim.


Maybe so, I still won't change my sentiment.
 
2017-12-06 11:40:19 PM  
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2017-12-06 11:47:28 PM  
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2017-12-06 11:53:43 PM  

Kayna D Doge: Boudyro: In Boudyro's world every living person would get an annual physical and mental check. We've got what to check for physically down pretty well. Imagine if we had a means to detect mental disparities as readily.

How many times have we heard about people having issues that become crystal clear as soon as they "heard that was a thing". It's as simple as why don't we test kids for dyslexia automatically instead if waiting until a problem presents. Not to memtion any chance to catch and change a sociopath or psychopath early can only benefit society.

I get we aren't at the same point yet where such an approach would be perfect but it would be an improvement, while giving us a much better data set to learn from.

I absolutely agree. Maybe with the ones that went through the yearly testing we could tattoo a number on them to let others know that they've been tested. I'm thinking on their arm, or maybe we could let them embroider say symbol or something on their clothes. How about a gold star? Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

 
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2017-12-06 11:54:55 PM  
Am I the only one that wonders if the husband/cop paid the maniac to do it?
 
2017-12-06 11:59:11 PM  

BLayingBeads: Am I the only one that wonders if the husband/cop paid the maniac to do it?


Count me out.  Money can't buy my freedom.  I rather be broke at home, then cash in a cell.
 
2017-12-07 05:51:10 AM  

lack of warmth: I would be fine with that being a before pic, and the mugshot taken in the morgue.  It's one thing to have a problem with a cop, fight the cop, he's armed.  Two family members just walking down the street is a different matter.  A bigger coward than the young man who shot a cop, then called a coward for running.


He didn't know they were related to a policeman.
 
2017-12-07 06:31:34 AM  

lol_conservatards: "Religion of peace"
When are we going to acknowledge the problem and put a ban on white Christians entering the country?


Was he yelling 'God is great' when he ran over these people?
 
2017-12-07 06:37:22 AM  

BLayingBeads: Am I the only one that wonders if the husband/cop paid the maniac to do it?


Yes, you are
 
2017-12-07 08:07:03 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Nurglitch: Correction subby, white man. It's time white people addressed white-on-white crime in their community.

How do you know the victim is white?

lol_conservatards: "Religion of peace"
When are we going to acknowledge the problem and put a ban on white Christians entering the country?

how do you know he's a christian?


That's the joke.  It's a response to idiots who claim every brownish person is a Muslim migrant criminal, without even bothering to get the facts.

Here's one example.  https://www.snopes.com/vide​o-beating-d​utch-boy-crutches/
 
2017-12-07 08:36:32 AM  

BlazeTrailer: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Nurglitch: Correction subby, white man. It's time white people addressed white-on-white crime in their community.

How do you know the victim is white?

lol_conservatards: "Religion of peace"
When are we going to acknowledge the problem and put a ban on white Christians entering the country?

how do you know he's a christian?

I'm going to threadjack because this thread is dumb and no promise of improving.

Sssooo....I used to have the Sir Digby Chicken Caesar music as my ringtone. Now I can't find Mitchell and Webb streamable anywhere. I am seeing the appeal of pirating.


There are a few SDCC vids on youtube.

Try:

https://www.computerhope.com/issues/c​h​001137.htm

then

https://lifehacker.com/5848406/how-to​-​turn-any-song-into-a-ringtone-for-your​-iphone-or-android-for-free
 
2017-12-07 09:50:09 AM  
After reading the story, I can't find any sympathy for this guy at all.  He deserved far worse.
 
2017-12-07 11:43:41 AM  

sinko swimo: deadsanta: FTFA: "...claimed it was the combination of drinking alcohol and hearing vibrations and voices that made him want to murder someone."

Yeah, I'm going with one being a much likelier cause than the other. Seriously, this is a person who has probably needed to be institutionalized for a while now, and needs to be now more than ever, but who we just ignore until this sort of event happens and then imprison forever when it inevitably does.

Add "effective diagnosis and care for the mentally ill" to the loooong list of shiat America needs to stop putting off.

i agree with you. if the USA government gave a damn about their people the mentally ill would be receiving the help they need. our elected officials don't give a damn about us.



Since when did it become the duty of the federal government to provide mental health care? Before anyone says a damn thing about Reagan closing all the hospitals, in all the years since I'm not aware of anyone trying to get them opened back up. All that's happened is pissing and moaning about 'something needing to be done!'
 
2017-12-07 12:28:36 PM  
What is it going to take to convince people that WE NEED CAR CONTROLL LEGISLATION NOW!!1!!!! Theyres entirely to many cars out on the, uhm...streets1 FREE ACCESS TO CARS IS KILLING US

BAN ALL CARS NOW
 
2017-12-07 02:55:12 PM  

KyDave: What is it going to take to convince people that WE NEED CAR CONTROLL LEGISLATION NOW!!1!!!! Theyres entirely to many cars out on the, uhm...streets


You know this really is true though. You can't lay solid ribbons of petroleum all over the country then roll big steel, glass, rubber, plastic, petroleum burning machines all over them and say "oh, gee where's all this carbon monoxide coming from?"
Sure literally running someone over directly kills them like this guy did. But generally speaking, they're killing us all slowly.

In the same way, as satisfying as it would be to put .45 size holes in this guy, that wouldn't have prevented him killing those two women the way a mental health care system and/or social support for drug and alcohol could have prevented.

Sometimes you need a sword. Sometimes you need a shield. Nothing sexy about the shield though. Doesn't look cool to politicians. No one puts up money for justice, you have to tax people for that. Retribution though, yeah, people will shell out to see that.

But I'd rather not lose or risk any family in the first place.

Since when did it become the duty of the federal government to provide mental health care?

It has the duty to make and enforce laws. And Prevention is cheaper than retribution. It's cheaper, MUCH cheaper to prevent the root causes for violations than to fight the hydra once it's up and then pay to support someone for years in jail.
Why should I have to pay more?
And why should I have to risk more? I don't care how effective or not deterrence is, punishment requires a crime be committed before it takes place.
All these are rationalizations for retribution. Which don't work on events like this. We think, for some reason we can manage risk by predicting extreme events. And then we think we get something back when we strike at that single event or person causing it. That's all an illusion.
Its more effective to focus on the consequences and evaluate the impact.
It's cheaper to pay for social programs that prevent crimes and have a better chance of intercepting a nutcase like this than it is to put him in jail.

In fact, considering what it's going to cost them to now, house, feed, medically treat, educate, and counsel this guy, not counting capital costs for the buildings, maintenance and depreciation, employee benefits, etc. etc. they would have been better off taking the risk to kill him.
 
2017-12-07 05:50:43 PM  
Trent Ferree  (D)
 
2017-12-07 06:41:13 PM  

deadsanta: Add "effective diagnosis and care for the mentally ill" to the loooong list of shiat America needs to stop putting off.


We aren't putting it off. We actively destroyed it to save a few bucks. As a bonus we now have the largest homeless population in the first world, the highest incarceration rate, and suicides are at an all time high. Fun fact: the annual cost of the abolished federal mental health programs were about the same as a single fighter jet. Wonder how much we spend dealing with homelessness and running the world's largest prison system? Link
 
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