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2017-12-05 10:26:04 AM  
Unfortunately more bad press for the league but this will at least blow over in a week or two. Football when it comes to this stuff has been good up until a couple of weeks back.
 
2017-12-05 10:31:06 AM  
That was a vicious game. I'd hope for some nice long suspensions.
 
2017-12-05 10:48:29 AM  
Those were just thuggish. They can play a tough game, a mean game, without taking cheap shots.

Take out all the good players that way and you'll have less talented guys on the field, surely what the fans really want.
 
2017-12-05 10:55:13 AM  
In fact, the game was far more entertaining than the average game, with the exception of the Shazier injury.
 
2017-12-05 10:57:39 AM  
Its  bad for football SBNation?
But it is GREAT for SBNation to show these bad-for-football hits on an endless loop, because folks HATE looking at such things, right?
 
2017-12-05 11:01:03 AM  
NFL = Neurological Flat Line
 
2017-12-05 11:13:12 AM  
Less fans is a great thing. It's what keeps fighting legal in hockey.
Hopefully all "fans" like the author will quit watching and leave the game for true fans to enjoy.
 
2017-12-05 11:23:17 AM  
I'm no fan of either of these teams, but the JuJu hit on Burfict didn't look that bad. He led with his shoulder, he didn't target Burfict's head, hit him in the chest, and he didn't, as the author said, "launch" himself. It was a cheap shot in that Burfict was unsuspecting coming across the field, and standing over him afterwards is definitely worthy of a penalty, but from a technical standpoint it seemed like a good hit. The hit on Brown however - leads with head, helmet to helmet, defenseless player.
 
2017-12-05 11:33:48 AM  
I am disappointed in myself when I found myself inwardly cheering after watching Burfict get destroyed.  I thought I was better than that; it appears that I have a ways to go.
 
2017-12-05 11:33:53 AM  
Good use of 'oodles' subby
 
2017-12-05 11:34:13 AM  

Howling Fantods: he didn't target Burfict's head, hit him in the chest,


Wanna know how I know you either didn't watch the play or are a retard?

JuJu Smith-Schuster Vicious Block on Vontaze Burfict | Steelers vs. Bengals | NFL
Youtube fOfIObhGMe0


Direct helmet to helmet hit in the jaw
 
2017-12-05 11:43:00 AM  
If the NFL wants to be serious about [mental] health of their players then they need to do a couple of things:

1.)  Start ejecting players for these type of hits
2.)  Suspend them for like 4-6 weeks for the first time offenders; second offense?  Suspended for a year and after/on the 3rd offense?  Gone for good/can't play in the NFL
3.)  Fine the teams (coaches if it's always on the defense let's say) that keep having players that do these types of hits.  Money first but maybe start with a [lower] draft pick...increase it as it happens more often
4.)  Stop playing Thursday night games (or if the team plays on a Thursday, their bye week is before the Thursday night game (excluding the very first game of the season)).
 
2017-12-05 11:43:45 AM  

xaks: Howling Fantods: he didn't target Burfict's head, hit him in the chest,

Wanna know how I know you either didn't watch the play or are a retard?

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/fOfIObhG​Me0]

Direct helmet to helmet hit in the jaw


Wanna know how I know you need to take a deep breath?
 
2017-12-05 11:45:33 AM  
Yes, players getting hit hard is exactly the thing that's killing viewership.
 
2017-12-05 11:48:35 AM  

xaks: Howling Fantods: he didn't target Burfict's head, hit him in the chest,

Wanna know how I know you either didn't watch the play or are a retard?

[Youtube fOfIObhGMe0 image 480x270][Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/fOfIObhG​Me0]

Direct helmet to helmet hit in the jaw


That was a clean hockey hit
 
2017-12-05 11:49:19 AM  
Who'd the Bengals lose? Burfict, who has inherited the "dirtiest player in the game" mantle from James Harrison; Mixon, and Vince Williams might be getting an appreciative call from one Amelia Molitor; and Adam "Pac-man" Jones, 'nuff said.

That may be the first time a team actually gets better with those losses (at least in the moral character sense)...
 
2017-12-05 11:50:30 AM  

xaks: Howling Fantods: he didn't target Burfict's head, hit him in the chest,

Wanna know how I know you either didn't watch the play or are a retard?

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/fOfIObhG​Me0]

Direct helmet to helmet hit in the jaw


Meh, I can give JuJu the benefit of the doubt on where he was aiming. he hit mostly chest and got a little bit of jaw too. If hed aimed at the head I think he would get most;ly head and a little helmet. It is still a penalty either way, because intent doesnt matter for penalties. Now if the question is "was JuJu  sorry or ashamed that he popped Burfict real good in the head?"  then the answer is "HELL NO he wasnt sorry".That is pretty obvious by the way Burfict stood over Burfict on the ground afterwards like a  trophy hunter posing with some kind of big game animal that he has just killed
 
2017-12-05 11:50:58 AM  

Hoban Washburne: Yes, players getting hit hard is exactly the thing that's killing viewership.


directly, no, but players being beat the fark up and incapable of playing at a high level (if at all) makes games boring which kills viewership
 
2017-12-05 11:52:03 AM  

smd31: If the NFL wants to be serious about [mental] health of their players then they need to do a couple of things:


Also, if the NFL wants to commit a quick suicide rather than the slow descent into nothingness it has started upon.

/Except for number 4; that should be mandatory for all teams.
//But it would require every team to have one Thursday night game and an extra bye, and thus an 18-week regular season when some have complained that it's too long already...
 
2017-12-05 11:54:23 AM  

IlGreven: Who'd the Bengals lose? Burfict, who has inherited the "dirtiest player in the game" mantle from James Harrison; Mixon, and Vince Williams might be getting an appreciative call from one Amelia Molitor; and Adam "Pac-man" Jones, 'nuff said.

That may be the first time a team actually gets better with those losses (at least in the moral character sense)...


Yeah, the Steelers have long been the standard bearers of clean play.

Ask Carson Palmer about that.

Or the guy their coach tried to trip.

Or, if you're just a fan of big smash-mouth hard hits, talk to James Harrison's girlfriend.
 
2017-12-05 11:57:54 AM  

smd31: If the NFL wants to be serious about [mental] health of their players then they need to do a couple of things:


The primary function of 6the NFL is to provide entertainment in exchange for filthy lucre in the form of genuine American dollars.

Its primary serious function is NOT (as is often misunderstood and misrepresented) to provide a beurocratic base from which Social justice can spring to fix all the problems of its players and many of the pro0blems p-plaguing the nation. That is a smoke and mirrors trick that will only last for as long as it aids the primary function of trading entertainment for dollars.
 
2017-12-05 11:58:48 AM  
The cheap shot king got taken down by a cheap shot. Karma.
 
2017-12-05 12:00:57 PM  

Howling Fantods: I'm no fan of either of these teams, but the JuJu hit on Burfict didn't look that bad. He led with his shoulder, he didn't target Burfict's head, hit him in the chest, and he didn't, as the author said, "launch" himself. It was a cheap shot in that Burfict was unsuspecting coming across the field, and standing over him afterwards is definitely worthy of a penalty, but from a technical standpoint it seemed like a good hit. The hit on Brown however - leads with head, helmet to helmet, defenseless player.


Definitely not a cheap shot. He hit him from the front while Burfict was chasing the ball carrier. he didn't look like he was leading with his head. but he definitely hit Burfict in the head, hard, and then doubled-down by taunting.
 
2017-12-05 12:09:42 PM  

Howling Fantods: xaks: Howling Fantods: he didn't target Burfict's head, hit him in the chest,

Wanna know how I know you either didn't watch the play or are a retard?

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/fOfIObhG​Me0]

Direct helmet to helmet hit in the jaw

Wanna know how I know you need to take a deep breath?


Well, either you're wrong, or you're wrong AND stupid. Which is it? The HD video clearly shows in slow-mo direct helmet to helmet collision and shockwaves.

I don't give a rats' ass about either team, nor any team in that division, or even that CONFERENCE. But stupid? I can call stupid out regardless of cheering affiliation
 
2017-12-05 12:13:27 PM  
If you put a piece of armor on someone and ask them to go hurt the enemy, they're going to use it.

Helmets need to go.  As they exist right now, they are a weapon and are used that way.  And they're bad at preventing injury, so what's the point?
 
2017-12-05 12:16:52 PM  
Who gives a shiat? let these guys hit each other hard, knock each other out before skipping away nodding their heads, or choreographing their own "original" celebratory dances. It's trash talking one-upmanship on the field. They're in the NFL, they get paid, they know the potential risks.
Burfict got what was coming to him. Call it for what it is. Yeah, it's a cheap shot. Oh well.
Enforce the rules, fine and/or eject players for several weeks, or kick them out of the league.

If players are too stupid or hyped up NOT to hit someone with bad intent, make an example out of them. You'll have to kick about 3 or 4 players out of the NFL before everyone settles down.
Small price to pay.
 
2017-12-05 12:25:02 PM  

cefm: If you put a piece of armor on someone and ask them to go hurt the enemy, they're going to use it.

Helmets need to go.  As they exist right now, they are a weapon and are used that way.  And they're bad at preventing injury, so what's the point?


yes instead of players suffering when they are 40, 50, 60 years old they should simply die on the playing field
 
2017-12-05 12:26:31 PM  

cefm: If you put a piece of armor on someone and ask them to go hurt the enemy, they're going to use it.

Helmets need to go.  As they exist right now, they are a weapon and are used that way.  And they're bad at preventing injury, so what's the point?


Look up the reason why helmets were added in the first place. They may not be perfect in preventing injury but they're pretty damn good at preventing death on the field
 
2017-12-05 12:31:11 PM  
Games like last night might make the fans excited for the time being, but they're turning people away from the sport. I will keep watching the Steelers play but there's no way in hell my son is playing football. The sport will decline as less people play it.
 
2017-12-05 12:35:52 PM  

Walkingtalkingeye: Games like last night might make the fans excited for the time being, but they're turning people away from the sport. I will keep watching the Steelers play but there's no way in hell my son is playing football. The sport will decline as less people play it.


This is the main problem, long term.  If too many parents prevent their kids from playing football, the quality of talent on the field in the pros a decade later will drop, and so will the quality of the pro game.
 
2017-12-05 12:45:49 PM  

Geotpf: Walkingtalkingeye: Games like last night might make the fans excited for the time being, but they're turning people away from the sport. I will keep watching the Steelers play but there's no way in hell my son is playing football. The sport will decline as less people play it.

This is the main problem, long term.  If too many parents prevent their kids from playing football, the quality of talent on the field in the pros a decade later will drop, and so will the quality of the pro game.


Parents that prevent their kids from playing football = smart move. Involved parents providing enrichment learning.
Quality will drop? Big strong players that can barely string words together to form an English sentence, but can make a one handed grab at full stretch and keep both toes inbounds. That's what you'll have left. The smarts ones stay out of football, the remaining players are meatheads that do as they're told.
What quality are you talking about?
 
2017-12-05 12:47:23 PM  

IlGreven: Who'd the Bengals lose? Burfict, who has inherited the "dirtiest player in the game" mantle from James Harrison; Mixon, and Vince Williams might be getting an appreciative call from one Amelia Molitor; and Adam "Pac-man" Jones, 'nuff said.

That may be the first time a team actually gets better with those losses (at least in the moral character sense)...


Yeah, You know what? I'ma  skins fan and have no dog in the fight but I am getting tired of Burfict being hung with the mantle of being a dirty player, when somebody from a "classy organization" like the Steelers (you know, the one who has proudly had a rapist under center for almost a decade?) not only pulls a dirty hit like Schuster's but then stands over the man he injured and taunts him, and was not only not ejected by the refs but , also not benched by his "classy" coach.   And then, ANOTHER Steeler's player Antonio brown, taunts Burfict on Twitter while he's in a hospital bed.
 
2017-12-05 12:52:11 PM  

Walkingtalkingeye: Games like last night might make the fans excited for the time being, but they're turning people away from the sport. I will keep watching the Steelers play but there's no way in hell my son is playing football. The sport will decline as less people play it.


I love football, my son loves football, he was BUILT to play football, as natural a D-lineman's body as god ever created (with the hands of a wide out), and yet, about 5 years ago in HS in his sophomore year  when he had to choose between playing football and being in the school play, I have to say I wasn't very  sad then, and I am definitely not sad now, that he went with acting.   (Especially cause he just had his first paid part in a movie recently).  He told me later that part of the reason he left football was because he KNOWS he gave a few kids concussions on sacks  and hits and it made him sick to get praised for them by coaches
 
2017-12-05 01:16:33 PM  

SuperChuck: cefm: If you put a piece of armor on someone and ask them to go hurt the enemy, they're going to use it.

Helmets need to go.  As they exist right now, they are a weapon and are used that way.  And they're bad at preventing injury, so what's the point?

Look up the reason why helmets were added in the first place. They may not be perfect in preventing injury but they're pretty damn good at preventing death on the field


Only NFL player to die on the field died of a heart attack in the 70's.  In college there were a couple of fatalities - though during that era one can presume a lot of players were new to the game and were still learning how to tackle.  Rugby and Aussie Rules seem to get on fine without. You sacrifice the "big hit" for wrap and drag-down tackling which is infinitely safer for everyone involved.  Who knows, maybe a little bit of a running game might come back to the sport.
 
2017-12-05 01:26:45 PM  
reap what you sow
 
2017-12-05 01:28:35 PM  

EyeballKid: IlGreven: Who'd the Bengals lose? Burfict, who has inherited the "dirtiest player in the game" mantle from James Harrison; Mixon, and Vince Williams might be getting an appreciative call from one Amelia Molitor; and Adam "Pac-man" Jones, 'nuff said.

That may be the first time a team actually gets better with those losses (at least in the moral character sense)...

Yeah, the Steelers have long been the standard bearers of clean play.

Ask Carson Palmer about that.

Or the guy their coach tried to trip.

Or, if you're just a fan of big smash-mouth hard hits, talk to James Harrison's girlfriend.



Giovani Bernard knocked out by Ryan Shazier hit HD
Youtube WP4JfqHDlps
 
2017-12-05 01:38:12 PM  
In college there were a couple of fatalities - though during that era one can presume a lot of players were new to the game and were still learning how to tackle.

Football was going to be banned because skinny college kids playing rugby-style with little or no protective equipment were literally killing each other. What the fark do you think will happen if you put the hulks that play modern day football into that equation? Hint: the answer is not "oh it's ok it'll be just like rugby or Aussie rules"
 
2017-12-05 01:47:56 PM  

SuperChuck: Definitely not a cheap shot. He hit him from the front while Burfict was chasing the ball carrier. he didn't look like he was leading with his head. but he definitely hit Burfict in the head, hard, and then doubled-down by taunting.


Hate this line of thinking - same for when hockey fans say the dumb-ass "keep your head on a swivel"  line.

If you destroy somebody who doesn't know you're there it's a cheap shot. Sure (in this example) the Steeler player has the duty, as far as playing the game well, to be better aware of where other players are, but the Cinci has a duty to play the game in a way that does not endanger your opponent.

Hitting somebody like that, even without the head to jaw contact, is a sure recipe for an injury.

What is the goal of the blocker there? The goal is to prevent the defender from making a tackle. He doesn't need to be incapacitated to achieve that goal.  With him not knowing you're there, any strike is probably going to put him on his ass. You don't have to try to destroy him.
 
2017-12-05 01:54:21 PM  
It's time for the NFL to remove either the Bengals or Steelers from the AFC North for a few years to let the hostility between the two teams die down.
 
2017-12-05 01:54:56 PM  
Looks like breaking news is Juju and Iloku are getting 1 game each for their hits last night.
 
2017-12-05 01:55:00 PM  

MugzyBrown: SuperChuck: Definitely not a cheap shot. He hit him from the front while Burfict was chasing the ball carrier. he didn't look like he was leading with his head. but he definitely hit Burfict in the head, hard, and then doubled-down by taunting.

Hate this line of thinking - same for when hockey fans say the dumb-ass "keep your head on a swivel"  line.

If you destroy somebody who doesn't know you're there it's a cheap shot. Sure (in this example) the Steeler player has the duty, as far as playing the game well, to be better aware of where other players are, but the Cinci has a duty to play the game in a way that does not endanger your opponent.

Hitting somebody like that, even without the head to jaw contact, is a sure recipe for an injury.

What is the goal of the blocker there? The goal is to prevent the defender from making a tackle. He doesn't need to be incapacitated to achieve that goal.  With him not knowing you're there, any strike is probably going to put him on his ass. You don't have to try to destroy him.


Sorry, there's no rule that says you have to make sure the other guy is ready before you block him. There are multiple blocks like that in every NFL game. The only problem with this block is he went too high and hit him in the head.
 
2017-12-05 01:58:55 PM  

cefm: SuperChuck: cefm: If you put a piece of armor on someone and ask them to go hurt the enemy, they're going to use it.

Helmets need to go.  As they exist right now, they are a weapon and are used that way.  And they're bad at preventing injury, so what's the point?

Look up the reason why helmets were added in the first place. They may not be perfect in preventing injury but they're pretty damn good at preventing death on the field

Only NFL player to die on the field died of a heart attack in the 70's.  In college there were a couple of fatalities - though during that era one can presume a lot of players were new to the game and were still learning how to tackle.  Rugby and Aussie Rules seem to get on fine without. You sacrifice the "big hit" for wrap and drag-down tackling which is infinitely safer for everyone involved.  Who knows, maybe a little bit of a running game might come back to the sport.


18 people died just in 1905 while playing football. That's not "a couple of fatalities."
 
2017-12-05 02:00:45 PM  

Pinner: Geotpf: Walkingtalkingeye: Games like last night might make the fans excited for the time being, but they're turning people away from the sport. I will keep watching the Steelers play but there's no way in hell my son is playing football. The sport will decline as less people play it.

This is the main problem, long term.  If too many parents prevent their kids from playing football, the quality of talent on the field in the pros a decade later will drop, and so will the quality of the pro game.

Parents that prevent their kids from playing football = smart move. Involved parents providing enrichment learning.
Quality will drop? Big strong players that can barely string words together to form an English sentence, but can make a one handed grab at full stretch and keep both toes inbounds. That's what you'll have left. The smarts ones stay out of football, the remaining players are meatheads that do as they're told.
What quality are you talking about?


If half the best potential players never play the sport, then the quality of play on the field will inevitably drop.
 
2017-12-05 02:08:20 PM  

rjakobi: Looks like breaking news is Juju and Iloku are getting 1 game each for their hits last night.


Brown needs 4 for shouting "Karma" and "touchdown Brown will pay your fine" while Burfict was still lying there immobilized.   Didn;t the league suspend Sean Payton for a whole season for something similar?
 
2017-12-05 02:17:39 PM  

Howling Fantods: I'm no fan of either of these teams, but the JuJu hit on Burfict didn't look that bad. He led with his shoulder, he didn't target Burfict's head, hit him in the chest, and he didn't, as the author said, "launch" himself. It was a cheap shot in that Burfict was unsuspecting coming across the field, and standing over him afterwards is definitely worthy of a penalty, but from a technical standpoint it seemed like a good hit. The hit on Brown however - leads with head, helmet to helmet, defenseless player.


he ran at Burfict with their sternums pointing directly opposite eachother for at least 5 steps.
unsuspecting is on Burfict's fault,  not JJSS
 
2017-12-05 02:30:47 PM  

Geotpf: Pinner: Geotpf: Walkingtalkingeye: Games like last night might make the fans excited for the time being, but they're turning people away from the sport. I will keep watching the Steelers play but there's no way in hell my son is playing football. The sport will decline as less people play it.

This is the main problem, long term.  If too many parents prevent their kids from playing football, the quality of talent on the field in the pros a decade later will drop, and so will the quality of the pro game.

Parents that prevent their kids from playing football = smart move. Involved parents providing enrichment learning.
Quality will drop? Big strong players that can barely string words together to form an English sentence, but can make a one handed grab at full stretch and keep both toes inbounds. That's what you'll have left. The smarts ones stay out of football, the remaining players are meatheads that do as they're told.
What quality are you talking about?

If half the best potential players never play the sport, then the quality of play on the field will inevitably drop.


Me Ted.
 
2017-12-05 02:32:24 PM  
It is funny to see all the totally real concern for these guys playing a sport, voluntarily, for massive sums of money, all the while knowing the risks. Most of the players don't care if you're on your fainting couch or not. They are getting theirs. Do you guys care about construction workers the same way? After all, it is FAR more dangerous. Nah. they don't have snazzy logos and billion dollar marketing or tv deals. This is much ado about nothing and despite the dire predictions by some of the fuzzy bunnies in here, football will go on.
Bread and circuses indeed.
 
2017-12-05 02:32:26 PM  
The Juju hit wasn't dirty, he led with his shoulder on a player pursuing the ball-carrier.  The outcome (helmet to jaw) was flag-worthy, as was the taunting.  The suspension is utter nonsense, and is a cop-out by the NFL.  A missed block from a rookie gets the same suspension as an NFL veteran (Gronk) battering a defenseless player's head into the ground with his shoulder while he's laying down, turned away, out of bounds, after the whistle?  Come on.
 
2017-12-05 02:51:21 PM  

SuperChuck: Sorry, there's no rule that says you have to make sure the other guy is ready before you block him


True, but I never said that, at all, not even close.

SuperChuck: The only problem with this block is he went too high and hit him in the head


Maybe by the rules. It's still dirty/cheap even if there isn't a flag.
 
2017-12-05 02:53:04 PM  

xaks: Howling Fantods: xaks: Howling Fantods: he didn't target Burfict's head, hit him in the chest,

Wanna know how I know you either didn't watch the play or are a retard?

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/fOfIObhG​Me0]

Direct helmet to helmet hit in the jaw

Wanna know how I know you need to take a deep breath?

Well, either you're wrong, or you're wrong AND stupid. Which is it? The HD video clearly shows in slow-mo direct helmet to helmet collision and shockwaves.

I don't give a rats' ass about either team, nor any team in that division, or even that CONFERENCE. But stupid? I can call stupid out regardless of cheering affiliation


It also shows him turn his shoulder toward Burfict and make an attempt to lead with the shoulder. Honest attempt or just enough to get away with the helmet to helmet contact can't be judged from a replay. The taunting makes it look bad for sure.
 
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