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(Entertainment Weekly)   Netflix's sci-fi drama 'Altered Carbon' gets insanely expensive looking NSFW trailer   ( ew.com) divider line
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2017-12-04 05:08:02 PM  
I genuinely look forward to a greater segment of the population learning of Quell, because, sadly, the big ass warning signs that Morgan put up years ago, both in Market Forces and in Altered Carbon, went ignored, and maybe it's time to get that out there all over again...

The personal, as everyone's so farking fond of saying, is political. So if some idiot politician, some power player, tries to execute policies that harm you or those you care about, take it personally. Get angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here - it is slow and cold, and it is theirs, hardware and soft-. Only the little people suffer at the hands of Justice; the creatures of power slide from under it with a wink and a grin. If you want justice, you will have to claw it from them. Make it personal. Do as much damage as you can. Get your message across. That way, you stand a better chance of being taken seriously next time. Of being considered dangerous. And make no mistake about this: being taken seriously, being considered dangerous marks the difference - the only difference in their eyes - between players and little people. Players they will make deals with. Little people they liquidate. And time and again they cream your liquidation, your displacement, your torture and brutal execution with the ultimate insult that it's just business, it's politics, it's the way of the world, it's a tough life and that it's nothing personal. Well, f*ck them. Make it personal."
--Richard K. Morgan

The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice.
--Poems and Other Prevarications

In any agenda, political or otherwise, there is a cost to be borne. Always ask what it is, and who will be paying. If you don't, then the agenda-makers will pick up the perfume of your silence like swamp panthers on the scent of blood, and the next thing you know, the person expected to bear the cost will be you. And you may not have what it takes to pay.
--Things I Should Have Learnt by Now, Volume II

I have no excuses, least of all for God. Like all tyrants, he is not worthy of the spit you would waste on negotiations. The deal we have is infinitely simpler - I don't call him to account, and he extends me the same courtesy.
--Campaign Diaries

Face the facts. Then act on them. It's the only mantra I know, the only doctrine I have to offer you, and it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, don't buy into centuries-old dogma and dead rhetoric. Don't give in to your conditioning or your visions or your farked-up sense of... whatever. FACE THE FACTS. THEN act.
--Speech before the Assault on Millsport.

It is a series of books that is so spot on with trends, that the quotes of Quellcrist Falconer, and oddly enough the Envoys and other players, that I hope they get the language right, because as violent and brutal a series as this can be, it is very much based on folks who've examined conflict, examined economies, and studied revolutions inside and out, and that pairing of brutality and action, with scholastic study is what makes the series brilliant.

There are some arenas so corrupt that the only clean acts possible are nihilistic.

When they ask how I died, tell them: still angry.

Rip open the diseased heart of a corporation and what spills out?

A preoccupation with the next world clearly shows an inability to cope credibly with this one.


"You are still young and stupid. Human life has no value. Haven't you learned that yet, Takeshi, with all you've seen? It has no value, intrinsic to itself. Machines cost money to build. Raw materials cost money to extract. But people?" She made a tiny spitting sound. "You can always get some more people. they reproduce like cancer cells, whether you want them or not. They are abundant, Takeshi. Why should they be valuable? Do you know that it costs us less to recruit and use up a real snuff whore than it does to set up and run the virtual equivalent format. Real human flesh is cheaper than a machine. It's the axiomatic truth of our times."
 
2017-12-04 06:00:07 PM  
I'm trying to get my brain to come up with something snarky, but all it will say about this is "please don't suck!"
 
2017-12-04 06:12:11 PM  

GRCooper: I'm trying to get my brain to come up with something snarky, but all it will say about this is "please don't suck!"


Yeah.

I am a big fan of Morgan's work. Market Forces, Thirteen, all of the Takeshi Kovacs novels. Even his tribute to the Elric books with his Land Fit for Heroes saga. He does hard boiled science fiction really well. He rolls right past cyberpunk, and swings for the fences every time, and with a cold eye towards the future and human nature, in a much cynical fashion than John D. MacDonald did, but with a similar tongue CLOSE to the cheek, but without slipping quite into humor, but deliciously self aware of the genre and conventions.

I am hoping that this doesn't suck, because Morgan's work deserves a wider audience. Much like Stephenson's pair of novels written with his uncle deserve a wider audience as well. They're brilliant and insightful, and damned if they weren't damned prescient, but they are sort of the red haired step-children in Stephenson's catalog.
 
2017-12-04 06:51:30 PM  
I tried reading that one a while back but it didn't grab me, for some reason. Have to go back and give it another shot I guess.
 
2017-12-04 07:30:57 PM  

fusillade762: I tried reading that one a while back but it didn't grab me, for some reason. Have to go back and give it another shot I guess.


kinda get that - Altered Carbon didn't really suck me in as "great story!" but more "holy f*ck this guy can write!"

/That's not saying I didn't enjoy the story, I just enjoyed the writing more.
 
2017-12-04 07:39:13 PM  
kinda reminds me of The Surrogates comic/movie. at least it gives justification for why everyone in it is super hot. i'll give it a shot.
 
2017-12-04 07:48:48 PM  
Have you ever read this?  I feel he was inspired by it.  Walter Jon Williams wrote some great cyberpunk stuff.  And you and he have a lot in common.  Chef, martial artists.

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2017-12-04 07:54:26 PM  
I'm stacked, backed up and I'm fifth dan
And I'm not afraid of the Patchwork Man
 
2017-12-04 07:55:51 PM  

hubiestubert: GRCooper: I'm trying to get my brain to come up with something snarky, but all it will say about this is "please don't suck!"

Yeah.

I am a big fan of Morgan's work. Market Forces, Thirteen, all of the Takeshi Kovacs novels. Even his tribute to the Elric books with his Land Fit for Heroes saga. He does hard boiled science fiction really well. He rolls right past cyberpunk, and swings for the fences every time, and with a cold eye towards the future and human nature, in a much cynical fashion than John D. MacDonald did, but with a similar tongue CLOSE to the cheek, but without slipping quite into humor, but deliciously self aware of the genre and conventions.

I am hoping that this doesn't suck, because Morgan's work deserves a wider audience. Much like Stephenson's pair of novels written with his uncle deserve a wider audience as well. They're brilliant and insightful, and damned if they weren't damned prescient, but they are sort of the red haired step-children in Stephenson's catalog.


I'll give him a read. Thanks for the endorsement and detail.
 
2017-12-04 08:01:46 PM  
I've only read the Takeshi Kovacs books once through, but they left a lasting impression and I squirrel away a few bits of political phisolosophy that I still mull over from time to time years later. Mostly coming specifically from, as noted up above, Quellcrist Falconer.

Very much looking forward to seeing what they do with the series.
 
KIA
2017-12-04 08:05:21 PM  
Altered Carbon was a great book with good follow-on sequels.  Surely hope the tv series doesn't suck.

Now if they can get some Grimnoir or Monster Hunter series, I'd be a really happy camper.
 
2017-12-04 08:17:59 PM  

KIA: Altered Carbon was a great book with good follow-on sequels.  Surely hope the tv series doesn't suck.

Now if they can get some Grimnoir or Monster Hunter series, I'd be a really happy camper.


The one I'd like to see get the Game of Thrones funding level to be on TV is Peter F Hamilton's Night's Dawn trilogy. High concept, political and military action, multiple viewpoints, great protagonists, some seriously creepy shiat, and one villain to absolutely hate, and another to cheer for.
 
2017-12-04 08:26:58 PM  
I still remember the day I bought the book on a whim, found it browsing in a bookstore.  Got some lunch and started reading while I ate and was hooked.  Finished it a day or two later and went looking for more by Richard Morgan.  Looks good from the trailer and images, hope the screenplay works as well as the books.  I'm going to sign up for Netflix for this, so mission accomplished on that end.
 
2017-12-04 08:32:52 PM  

Delta1212: I've only read the Takeshi Kovacs books once through, but they left a lasting impression and I squirrel away a few bits of political phisolosophy that I still mull over from time to time years later. Mostly coming specifically from, as noted up above, Quellcrist Falconer.

Very much looking forward to seeing what they do with the series.


I just moved to a much smaller place and I had to pick through 30 years of books.

I keep Gibson and and the Morgan books.
 
2017-12-04 08:33:39 PM  
There was a million things going on in the description, it sounds unnecessarily complicated.  I'll give it a shot when it comes out, but I have a feeling I'll be lost before the second episode.
 
2017-12-04 08:42:15 PM  
OMG Takeshi Kovak!!!
 
2017-12-04 08:44:12 PM  
bum
 
2017-12-04 08:50:36 PM  
Awesome couple of books.  When I read them a decade ago I was "damn, that would make a hell of a movie but damned if I know how they could change the main character several times".  Too bad he has no desire to revisit that universe.

He also wrote a sword and sorcery fantasy trilogy, think Conan or Kull, where the hero was gay.  Great books, love to see them made into a movie or series.  Probably be a good 1/10 the cost of a Kovacs book.

Something to look forward to, too bad I can't see it on the big screen.
 
2017-12-04 09:05:32 PM  
Been stoked for awhile about this.  Finally Netflix is throwing their 50 zillion dollars at something other than Adam Sandler and stand-up specials.
 
2017-12-04 09:09:57 PM  
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 I actually like the movie version
 
2017-12-04 09:15:18 PM  

Farker Soze: Been stoked for awhile about this.  Finally Netflix is throwing their 50 zillion dollars at something other than Adam Sandler and stand-up specials.


Stranger Things?

Chef's Table is also excellent.
 
2017-12-04 09:27:39 PM  

Shazam999: Farker Soze: Been stoked for awhile about this.  Finally Netflix is throwing their 50 zillion dollars at something other than Adam Sandler and stand-up specials.

Stranger Things?

Chef's Table is also excellent.


And The Marvel shows - Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Daredevil, which has been excellent.
 
2017-12-04 09:37:02 PM  

GungFu: Shazam999: Farker Soze: Been stoked for awhile about this.  Finally Netflix is throwing their 50 zillion dollars at something other than Adam Sandler and stand-up specials.

Stranger Things?

Chef's Table is also excellent.

And The Marvel shows - Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Daredevil, which has been excellent.


But they weren't insanely expensive.  They gave Chappelle $60 million for a few hours on stage.  Looks like ST did cost a bit though.
 
2017-12-04 09:48:10 PM  
Please don't suck. Please be as gritty and noir as the books.
 
2017-12-04 10:05:20 PM  
Boojum2k:

The one I'd like to see get the Game of Thrones funding level to be on TV is Peter F Hamilton's Night's Dawn trilogy. High concept, political and military action, multiple viewpoints, great protagonists, some seriously creepy shiat, and one villain to absolutely hate, and another to cheer for.

God's brother, yes to that! Commonwealth Saga would be great too, not as creepy but still suitably epic.
 
2017-12-04 10:08:02 PM  

The Flexecutioner: kinda reminds me of The Surrogates comic/movie. at least it gives justification for why everyone in it is super hot. i'll give it a shot.


That was my thought going in to the trailer too - "well at least now they'll have a reason for hiring a lot of pretty people in great shape..."
And then i caught a very very brief flash of Dichen Lachman's face and thought "yup, this makes sense"
 
2017-12-04 10:22:04 PM  

WillofJ2: [images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com image 304x445][View Full Size image _x_] I actually like the movie version


The original movie version was better...
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2017-12-04 10:59:46 PM  

Teufelaffe: WillofJ2: [images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com image 304x445][View Full Size image _x_] I actually like the movie version

The original movie version was better...
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I may have to find that and watch it
 
2017-12-05 12:01:27 AM  
Ah, that one. My mind had conflated it with The Windup Girl for some reason. Equally hard milleaus to craft.
 
2017-12-05 12:27:19 AM  

WillofJ2: Teufelaffe: WillofJ2: [images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com image 304x445][View Full Size image _x_] I actually like the movie version

The original movie version was better...
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I may have to find that and watch it


Gods, now I'm torn between saying, "You really should!" and warning you...maybe both.

If you like the idea of Mick Jagger acting in a mostly serious role, you should totally watch it.
 
2017-12-05 02:29:56 AM  

ayrsayle: Boojum2k:

The one I'd like to see get the Game of Thrones funding level to be on TV is Peter F Hamilton's Night's Dawn trilogy. High concept, political and military action, multiple viewpoints, great protagonists, some seriously creepy shiat, and one villain to absolutely hate, and another to cheer for.

God's brother, yes to that! Commonwealth Saga would be great too, not as creepy but still suitably epic.


On board.  Those are two of my favorite epic space opera series.  Along with Alastair Reynolds' Revelation Space series.

And then there's Neil Asher's Agent Cormac books, which I think is perfect for a TV series, since the conflicts aren't as abstract as in the above works.  Easier to portray via screenplay.

But I'll probably enjoy Altered Carbon, even if it sucks as bad as the 2nd season of Syfy's Dune.
 
2017-12-05 09:52:52 AM  

theflatline: Have you ever read this?  I feel he was inspired by it.  Walter Jon Williams wrote some great cyberpunk stuff.  And you and he have a lot in common.  Chef, martial artists.

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Thank you! I've read this and Altered Carbon sounded so much like it, but with significant differences in the plot. I've been wracking my brains trying to figure out if I just misremembered it or if it was a different book.
 
2017-12-05 10:17:58 AM  
So we're just gonna roll past the need for an HBO-produced animated series of Niven's Known Space universe, as done by the same studio that did the Ghost in the Shell S.A.C. show?

Alrighty then.
 
2017-12-05 02:06:57 PM  
This is the first show I've been excited about in YEARS. Cannot wait to see this and show it to some friends.

Now do a William Dietz Legion of the Damned series, but with an eye towards kinda campy like Dredd.
 
2017-12-05 03:08:53 PM  

hubiestubert: [..]


"Every previous revolutionary movement in human history has made the same basic mistake. They've all seen power as a static apparatus, as a structure. And it's not. It's a dynamic, a flow system with two possible tendencies. Power either accumulates, or it diffuses through the system. In most societies, it's in accumulative mode, and most revolutionary movements are only really interested in reconstituting the accumulation in a new location. A genuine revolution has to reverse the flow. And no one ever does that, because they're all too farking scared of losing their conning tower moment in the historical process. If you tear down one agglutinative power dynamic and put another one in its place, you've changed nothing. You're not going to solve any of that society's problems, they'll just reemerge at a new angle. You've got to set up the nanotech that will deal with the problems on its own. You've got to build the structures that allow for diffusion of power, not re-grouping. Accountability, demodynamic access, systems of constituted rights, education in the use of political infrastructure"
― Richard K. Morgan, Woken Furies

/That is quite enough!
 
2017-12-05 06:11:54 PM  

Petey4335: hubiestubert: [..]

"Every previous revolutionary movement in human history has made the same basic mistake. They've all seen power as a static apparatus, as a structure. And it's not. It's a dynamic, a flow system with two possible tendencies. Power either accumulates, or it diffuses through the system. In most societies, it's in accumulative mode, and most revolutionary movements are only really interested in reconstituting the accumulation in a new location. A genuine revolution has to reverse the flow. And no one ever does that, because they're all too farking scared of losing their conning tower moment in the historical process. If you tear down one agglutinative power dynamic and put another one in its place, you've changed nothing. You're not going to solve any of that society's problems, they'll just reemerge at a new angle. You've got to set up the nanotech that will deal with the problems on its own. You've got to build the structures that allow for diffusion of power, not re-grouping. Accountability, demodynamic access, systems of constituted rights, education in the use of political infrastructure"
― Richard K. Morgan, Woken Furies

/That is quite enough!


Well played.
 
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