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(The Raw Story)   Canadian who treated son's meningitis in the most Canadian manner is not very Canadian about it   ( rawstory.com) divider line
    More: Asinine, Haemophilus influenzae, David Stephan, 19-month-old son Ezekial, Haemophilus influenzae type, olive leaf extract, nutritional supplement company, ill equipped ambulance, Truehope Nutritional Support  
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2017-11-20 08:11:08 PM  
Seriously, f*ck that guy. I hope the Crown does appeal the sentence and he and his wife end up in jail away from those kids.
 
2017-11-20 08:29:34 PM  
Thoughts and prayers to him and his wife in their time of grief and sorrow.
 
2017-11-20 08:31:09 PM  

BizarreMan: Thoughts and prayers to him and his wife in their time of grief and sorrow.


Thoughts and poutine.
 
2017-11-20 10:55:12 PM  
So how much is that in Americanmedicine?
 
2017-11-20 10:55:41 PM  
Dammit.
 
2017-11-21 01:28:07 AM  
Rub some maple syrup on it. Walk it off, son.
 
2017-11-21 01:28:50 AM  
Where's the giant reset button? We need it badly.
 
2017-11-21 01:33:30 AM  
Holy shiat...I was going to make a joke about maple syrup........and the joke is not necessary.  Damn.
 
2017-11-21 01:34:51 AM  
false, this had nothing to do with bear wrestling, mounties, or lumberjack competitions
 
2017-11-21 01:35:58 AM  
Take off!

BizarreMan: Thoughts and prayers to him and his wife in their time of grief and sorrow the needlessly dead child.


FTFY.
 
2017-11-21 01:38:36 AM  
Inject them both with meningitis and give 'em a bottle of Mrs. Butterworths .
See ya.
 
2017-11-21 01:40:07 AM  
Four stinking months. He should have been flogged to death.
 
2017-11-21 01:40:49 AM  
ONLY a four month sentence?  And he's freaking out over that?

Dipshiat got off lucky.
 
2017-11-21 01:44:57 AM  
At least their maple syrup is socialized.
 
2017-11-21 01:45:05 AM  
Vaccines ought to be mandatory unless you have a medical reason (such as a compromised immune system).
 
2017-11-21 01:45:08 AM  
I'm curious about his complaint that the ambulance was ill-equipped to deal with his dying son.  I presume dad meant the ambulance suffered a dearth of syrup.
 
AOW
2017-11-21 01:50:53 AM  

Thelyphthoric: I'm curious about his complaint that the ambulance was ill-equipped to deal with his dying son.  I presume dad meant the ambulance suffered a dearth of syrup.


It only had the inferior Vermont maple syrup, if it had been properly stocked with the good Canadian stuff he would have lived...
 
2017-11-21 01:53:47 AM  

AOW: Thelyphthoric: I'm curious about his complaint that the ambulance was ill-equipped to deal with his dying son.  I presume dad meant the ambulance suffered a dearth of syrup.

It only had the inferior Vermont maple syrup, if it had been properly stocked with the good Canadian stuff he would have lived...


See, details like that help paint the full picture.  Sadly, journalism is dead and no amount of syrup will help.
 
2017-11-21 02:10:12 AM  
Being stupid can be lethal, sometimes also to others in your care.
 
2017-11-21 02:22:38 AM  
Four months. Probably a plea down. I wonder how many serious potential sentences get reduced, just to save a crappy prosecution from having to take a case to the end?
 
2017-11-21 02:42:28 AM  
He has said he believes the Canadian government had targeted him and his wife to force parents through the court, not the legislature, to vaccinate their children.

It's a child we're talking about, not a talking point. Fighting The Man is great and all, but FFS, vaccinate your kids. This weak argument of, "Well, if it was the law to vaccinate my kid I would have done it!" is basically saying, "I'm too lazy to think about a child and do anything more than the minimum amount of care."

Unfortunately, his wife is expecting, apparently, so he'll eventually get to bury another one.
 
2017-11-21 02:43:55 AM  
I wonder how long it will take for some people here to defend him.
 
2017-11-21 02:46:21 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: ONLY a four month sentence?  And he's freaking out over that?

Dipshiat got off lucky.


Yup, but since this is the kind of person who thinks syrup cures things like meningitis, it's clear good judgement isn't in large supply with this family.
 
2017-11-21 03:11:15 AM  

Begoggle: I wonder how long it will take for some people here to defend him.


If someone defends him, then they're ignorant. I can't even sugar coat it. I work at the very courthouse this man, and his wife's lawyer filed the appeal. I've seen the trial notes, and read the court files from Lethbridge. This man is 'insane'. It's not even just a matter of being your typical run of the mill anti-vaxxers, derping through life.

He is literally one sliver, one tiny needle away from being considered a complete Sovereign Citizen that believes the world would be a wonderful mecha with out any governments, let alone function with out governments.

A side note for this thread, the Crown will be seeking a much stiffer sentence for the both of them, and their appeals, and out-spoken nature is likely to be taken in to consideration, on top of the results from the court ordered doctors visits that is required for their surviving children.
 
2017-11-21 03:36:30 AM  

CaitoStreet: Begoggle: I wonder how long it will take for some people here to defend him.

If someone defends him, then they're ignorant. I can't even sugar coat it. I work at the very courthouse this man, and his wife's lawyer filed the appeal. I've seen the trial notes, and read the court files from Lethbridge. This man is 'insane'. It's not even just a matter of being your typical run of the mill anti-vaxxers, derping through life.

He is literally one sliver, one tiny needle away from being considered a complete Sovereign Citizen that believes the world would be a wonderful mecha with out any governments, let alone function with out governments.

A side note for this thread, the Crown will be seeking a much stiffer sentence for the both of them, and their appeals, and out-spoken nature is likely to be taken in to consideration, on top of the results from the court ordered doctors visits that is required for their surviving children.


Sweet!  They both deserve worse.

Didn't realize they were so close to full on anarcho-libertarians though.  I know one person like that, and it's hard not to shoot down every one of their arguments with "and when the angry people with guns show up to take your stuff, then what?"
 
2017-11-21 03:43:32 AM  
Only four months in jail?  The piece of shiat should get life.  His wife, too.
 
2017-11-21 03:44:59 AM  

Deathbymeteor: CaitoStreet: Begoggle: I wonder how long it will take for some people here to defend him.

If someone defends him, then they're ignorant. I can't even sugar coat it. I work at the very courthouse this man, and his wife's lawyer filed the appeal. I've seen the trial notes, and read the court files from Lethbridge. This man is 'insane'. It's not even just a matter of being your typical run of the mill anti-vaxxers, derping through life.

He is literally one sliver, one tiny needle away from being considered a complete Sovereign Citizen that believes the world would be a wonderful mecha with out any governments, let alone function with out governments.

A side note for this thread, the Crown will be seeking a much stiffer sentence for the both of them, and their appeals, and out-spoken nature is likely to be taken in to consideration, on top of the results from the court ordered doctors visits that is required for their surviving children.

Sweet!  They both deserve worse.

Didn't realize they were so close to full on anarcho-libertarians though.  I know one person like that, and it's hard not to shoot down every one of their arguments with "and when the angry people with guns show up to take your stuff, then what?"


And people say the US doesn't export anything anymore.
 
2017-11-21 03:47:10 AM  
Four months for murdering his son with his stupidity? He should be kissing the ass of every Justice employee in alphabetical order.
 
2017-11-21 04:08:31 AM  
"I offer my sincere apologies for remaining quiet over the past year as I valued my false sense of security more than the need to openly speak the truth by exposing the corruption," Stephan wrote. "I have come to see that if I remain quiet today, someone else will needlessly suffer tomorrow. Allowing the light of truth to shine brightly is the only thing that will keep the workers of darkness hiding in the shadows."

He accused prosecutors of withholding and falsifying evidence to "manipulate the 'official narrative' and criminalize heartbroken parents," and of engaging in "excessive drama and censorship" in the courtroom.


Where have I heard similar rhetoric before? Oh, yeah. During the cold war, when the commies were attempting to confuse people about the justification of their crumbling political system.

There''s no excuse to have a cave man thought process concerning health these days, what with the higher education in schools, the availability of information on the Internet and actual physician staffed websites. (Though you just have to dig through the shiat a bit.)

Decades ago they used to rip bad teeth out of you head with just a shot of whiskey as a painkiller and two full grown men to hold you. No doubt you've experienced one of those pounding, searing, right-to-the-soul hurting toothaches at some time in your life that made you want to rip it out with dirty pliers. Then they popped up with real pain killing medication but some die hards still felt that a tooth oughta hurt when it comes out.

Polio was around when I was born and I saw the mass immunization of the nation by the government for free and I also saw the great machines called Iron Lungs Polio victims had to be placed in and years down the road saw the twisted limbs and partial paralysis of those who had just bee 'touched' by the disease -- and nearly 50 years later an ignorant biatch opens her mouth on TV and convinces people that vaccinations are deadly. Which probably brought about folks like these two morons who should not be allowed to have kids anymore.

I've had pneumonia in both lungs. It took forever to get over it. Now I get my pneumonia shot every year. Flue shot also. Yeah I also like to mix in a few herbal remedies to assist in strengthening my immune system, but I don't rely on them completely.

These psycho's need to be sterilized before they bring another child into the world who they can corrupt with their misguided beliefs.

A couple of decades ago, I used to assist physicians in the ER in lancing a particular kind of cyst which commonly forms on the buttocks of people. Strong men would lie face down and almost bend the steel bars on the examination tables from the pain. The idea was that a pain shot would do no good and full anesthetic was too risky. Now, they give people injections that dulls the pain profoundly. Folks looked for a smarter way to do things and found it. They also use different antibiotics to keep the thing from coming back.

That couple ought to be glad the government didn't have them up on manslaughter.
 
2017-11-21 04:28:41 AM  
Oh it's these assholes again.

They shouldn't have been allowed to breed a second time, I hope the kid is taken away the second the cord is cut.
 
2017-11-21 05:15:44 AM  

Rik01: Polio was around when I was born and I saw the mass immunization of the nation by the government for free and I also saw the great machines called Iron Lungs Polio victims had to be placed in and years down the road saw the twisted limbs and partial paralysis of those who had just bee 'touched' by the disease


My grandmother used to tell stories about how even the rumor of a polio outbreak would send entire cities into a panic.
 
2017-11-21 06:17:29 AM  
Wheeeee!

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2017-11-21 06:33:06 AM  
Meningitis?  Your're supposed to treat the Canadian strain with poutine, not maple syrup and berries.

What a hack.
 
2017-11-21 06:35:08 AM  
Yeah, no, Stubby, that's _not_ the most Canadian way ever. That's the most dumbass way ever.

The most Canadian way ever is to treat his son's meningitis exactly as directed by his qualified family doctor who will prescribe an appropriate treatment according to the best known scientifically tested, peer reviewed understanding of the disease available at the time, referring the child to specialists and/or hospital supervision should that prove necessary, all the while the son's family is not losing their home, retirement, and quality of life to instant bankruptcy. Then everybody moves on with their more or less uninterrupted lives.

That's the Canadian way.
 
2017-11-21 06:39:39 AM  
I actually cried when I read about what happened to the poor little boy, and the condition he was in when they finally tried to get him in the car. He was so stiff from the effects of the meningitis infection that he wouldn't fit in the car seat.

I hope karma comes back to these two.
 
2017-11-21 06:40:03 AM  
Does that four months includes four times daily maple syrup enemas?
 
2017-11-21 06:56:11 AM  
Polite murderer.
He'll have some polite Mounties haul him in.
The Crown is quite polite in taking delight at showing no fright to killers in the night.
Alright.
 
2017-11-21 07:14:04 AM  

Stands With A Tiny Fist: Yeah, no, Stubby, that's _not_ the most Canadian way ever. That's the most dumbass way ever.

The most Canadian way ever is to treat his son's meningitis exactly as directed by his qualified family doctor who will prescribe an appropriate treatment according to the best known scientifically tested, peer reviewed understanding of the disease available at the time, referring the child to specialists and/or hospital supervision should that prove necessary, all the while the son's family is not losing their home, retirement, and quality of life to instant bankruptcy. Then everybody moves on with their more or less uninterrupted lives.

That's the Canadian way.


That's the ideal Canadian way. Depending on the state of your provincial health care you might also go to a walk in clinic because you can't find a family doctor, or you wait 13 hours in the ER. You have a 10 minute meeting with a frazled doctor who jots off a prescription for antibiotics and sends you on your way. This doesn't cost you any money though and it saves the child's life.
 
2017-11-21 07:22:37 AM  

Stands With A Tiny Fist: Yeah, no, Stubby, that's _not_ the most Canadian way ever. That's the most dumbass way ever.

The most Canadian way ever is to treat his son's meningitis exactly as directed by his qualified family doctor who will prescribe an appropriate treatment according to the best known scientifically tested, peer reviewed understanding of the disease available at the time, referring the child to specialists and/or hospital supervision should that prove necessary, all the while the son's family is not losing their home, retirement, and quality of life to instant bankruptcy. Then everybody moves on with their more or less uninterrupted lives.

That's the Canadian way.


That sounds depressingly English, not Canadian. What's next, you'll have us queuing?
 
2017-11-21 07:27:23 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Four months. Probably a plea down. I wonder how many serious potential sentences get reduced, just to save a crappy prosecution from having to take a case to the end?


Sadly, this went to trial and that was the sentence. The parents weren't charged with manslaughter or negligence...just failure to provide the necessaries of life (long story, lots of media coverage).

I suspect the reasoning was that the crown couldn't prove intent to neglect the child's life and decided to stay with what they knew they could prove. The family has the financial resources to fight hard in court, and has done so before when their business interests were at stake.
 
2017-11-21 07:29:18 AM  

TappingTheVein: Being stupid can be lethal, sometimes also to others in your care.


I was going to post something about being supremely ignorant and stupid, but you have it covered. Thanks.
 
2017-11-21 07:45:44 AM  

CoysOdie: Inject them both with meningitis and give 'em a bottle of Mrs. Butterworths .
See ya.


Trik: Four stinking months. He should have been flogged to death.


Too funny, from folks who support the anti-vaxxer in the Oval Office  :)

/and by funny, I mean potentially life threatening...
 
2017-11-21 07:50:39 AM  
What an antivaxer's head x-ray looks like:
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2017-11-21 08:04:42 AM  
David Stephan lashed out at the Canadian justice system and complained that he would be in jail when his wife delivered their next child.

Is there no line people can cross where the govt can step in and say, "You're unfit to reproduce"? Him and his wife need to be sterilized.
 
2017-11-21 08:27:41 AM  
"I have come to see that if I remain quiet today, someone else will needlessly suffer tomorrow. Allowing the light of truth to shine brightly is the only thing that will keep the workers of darkness hiding in the shadows."

You mean like your child who suffered unnecessarily for four months before being hooked up to life support and die?

If he thinks his suffering is anywhere near his child's he hasn't learned his lesson.  He was in charge of making his son's life better and... Alive.  Not only did he fail, he did it with the most suffering possible.   This guy doesn't deserve the light of day.
 
2017-11-21 08:48:34 AM  
Rik01:
Polio was around when I was born and I saw the mass immunization of the nation by the government for free and I also saw the great machines called Iron Lungs Polio victims had to be placed in and years down the road saw the twisted limbs and partial paralysis of those who had just bee 'touched' by the disease --

My mother had Polio as a child - and got struck with post-polio syndrome in her thirties. She had a life of disabling chronic pain after that which almost drove her to suicide.
Thankfully most Canadians see this guy for what he is - a self-absorbed grandiose attention whore. I imagine his balls will be meeting a few boots in the future.
 
2017-11-21 09:02:57 AM  
He is right about there being no justice.  If there were he and his wife would have been taken out back and someone would have put two in the back of their heads.
 
2017-11-21 09:04:34 AM  
"David Stephan lashed out at the Canadian justice system and complained that he would be in jail when his wife delivered their next child and so he would be unable to kill it. He claimed this denied him his basic rights as a father."
 
2017-11-21 09:12:09 AM  
This fellow is blaming everyone but himself for what happened to his child. I understand that the judge has warned him not to be on social media or something; four months seems a light sentence given the life that was snuffed out. I hope a contempt of court charge gives him some more time in the the hoosegow.
 
2017-11-21 09:50:18 AM  

starsrift: He has said he believes the Canadian government had targeted him and his wife to force parents through the court, not the legislature, to vaccinate their children.

It's a child we're talking about, not a talking point. Fighting The Man is great and all, but FFS, vaccinate your kids. This weak argument of, "Well, if it was the law to vaccinate my kid I would have done it!" is basically saying, "I'm too lazy to think about a child and do anything more than the minimum amount of care."

Unfortunately, his wife is expecting, apparently, so he'll eventually get to bury another one.


This. You killed your kid, dude. I checked my sympathy at your bullshiat since you robbed him of his life.

Take the four months, and shut the fark up, eh? I'm sure we'll see about the new kid dead shortly due to these idiots.
 
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