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2017-11-18 10:12:27 AM  
Was this pushed by the advertisers or the TV manufacturers?

Because I can see the manufacturers drooling over this.  They forced us to buy new TV's (or boxes) when HD came out and they haven't been able to convince us to do a wholesale refresh of TV's with 3D, 4k, curved, etc because we spend $500+ on a new TV we're going to use it until it stops working.

Yea I know we buy new cell phones and tablets before the old one dies out. But theoretically, they give us new stuff that is gee whiz cool.  TV's on the other hand.  I don't use any of the smart functions on my TV.  All it does is just displays a picture from one of 4 different inputs and I see no reason to replace it anytime soon.

Giving someone the ability to turn my TV on and broadcast things to me whether I want the TV on or not is BS.  Even if it's an "emergency" notification.  Because you know what?  I already get emergency messages on my cell phones.

As far as getting the demographics on what I'm watching and when.  Well, I am extremely aware that when I am watching something on my DVR, DirecTV knows that I've watched it.  (They also know where I live too.)  Netflix, Hulu and Amazon know where I live, what I watch and when as well.

What I don't want to see is targeted commercials based on where I live, what I've watched or if there is enough integration, what I've surfed on the internet.

Six months ago I did a quick search for something on my iPad.  I am still getting ads trying to convince me to buy a product that I am not the least bit interested in.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2017-11-18 10:38:40 AM  
The system could allow broadcasters to wake up a receiver to broadcast emergency alerts. The alerts could include maps, storm tracks and evacuation routes.

Or a special message from the President, if it's like the similar cell phone system.
 
2017-11-18 10:58:15 AM  

BizarreMan: What I don't want to see is targeted commercials based on where I live, what I've watched or if there is enough integration, what I've surfed on the internet.


That's been here for years. Addressable advertising has existed since DVRs became widespread among the cable and satellite MSOs. Today, it's the one real revenue generator they have outside of subscriptions so it isn't going away any time soon.
 
2017-11-18 10:58:36 AM  

BizarreMan: Was this pushed by the advertisers or the TV manufacturers?

Because I can see the manufacturers drooling over this.  They forced us to buy new TV's (or boxes) when HD came out and they haven't been able to convince us to do a wholesale refresh of TV's with 3D, 4k, curved, etc because we spend $500+ on a new TV we're going to use it until it stops working.

Yea I know we buy new cell phones and tablets before the old one dies out. But theoretically, they give us new stuff that is gee whiz cool.  TV's on the other hand.  I don't use any of the smart functions on my TV.  All it does is just displays a picture from one of 4 different inputs and I see no reason to replace it anytime soon.

Giving someone the ability to turn my TV on and broadcast things to me whether I want the TV on or not is BS.  Even if it's an "emergency" notification.  Because you know what?  I already get emergency messages on my cell phones.

As far as getting the demographics on what I'm watching and when.  Well, I am extremely aware that when I am watching something on my DVR, DirecTV knows that I've watched it.  (They also know where I live too.)  Netflix, Hulu and Amazon know where I live, what I watch and when as well.

What I don't want to see is targeted commercials based on where I live, what I've watched or if there is enough integration, what I've surfed on the internet.

Six months ago I did a quick search for something on my iPad.  I am still getting ads trying to convince me to buy a product that I am not the least bit interested in.


Forcing the TV to turn on for emergency broadcasts could be good depending on how it's used.  If there's a tornado headed for my house, I want to know.  If there's an Amber Alert from two counties away, I don't need to know about that (and I get annoyed when my cell phone decides to wake me up in the middle of the night for that).

As for the rest, broadcasting in 4K with wide color gamut and HDR are very good things.   Of course, most people don't get their TV OTA, and there will be external tuner boxes for older TVs anyway.
 
2017-11-18 11:07:44 AM  

BizarreMan: What I don't want to see is targeted commercials based on where I live, what I've watched or if there is enough integration, what I've surfed on the internet.


You think targeted fake news on Facebook was bad, wait until Sinclair gets ahold of this.

They are already planning on removing local newscasters and replacing rhem with a centralized newsroom.

Sinclair wants to deliver completely targeted newscasts based on the viewer.
 
2017-11-18 11:09:11 AM  
It's been a thing in Japan for a while...

Being Rudely Awoken by a North Korean Missile
Youtube 5VmCvChcGzU
 
2017-11-18 12:00:42 PM  
So when you tell at the wife that you are out of TP, you get TP commercials.

Daughter on the couch with her biker boyfriend?
Condom commercials.
 
2017-11-18 12:09:06 PM  
You luddites are missing out on some important possible beneficial uses of this new technology.

For example, if it gets really cold one night, broadcasters could turn on your TV and put a Snuggie ad on.

Still, that's just the first step towards a more consumer friendly model. Eventually, we'll be able to skip the TV part, so when it gets cold, Amazon will just send a Snuggie to your home.
 
2017-11-18 12:11:25 PM  
Democratic Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel said the new technology would force consumers to buy new televisions. "The FCC calls this approach market driven. That's right - because we will all be forced into the market for new television sets or devices."

This change is for the cable companies.  People are cutting cable as it is.  Having to buy a new TV and pay more for their crappy bundles will only accelerate that trend.
 
2017-11-18 12:11:48 PM  
Good luck with that, it takes no fewer than 17 remotes and 87 button presses to make my TV do anything.
 
2017-11-18 12:21:04 PM  
Can't tun the TV on if it's not plugged in.
 
2017-11-18 12:26:31 PM  
Can't take over my tv if I don't have one.
 
2017-11-18 12:27:49 PM  
Fark you, Ajit Pai.
 
2017-11-18 12:28:07 PM  

Twitch Boy: Can't tun the TV on if it's not plugged in.


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2017-11-18 12:29:33 PM  
My simple solution...

My "smart" TV is simply used as a big 55" monitor for a PC I built as a media center. Adblock all the things, no Cable package to pay for, no direct internet connection to the TV. Bit torrent is there for anything I feel like watching. Good luck with your new standard there...

fark your advertising, fark your datamining, fark your business model, fark your cable packages, and fark your feelings. Also, especially fark anyone who isn't me turning my stuff on or off.
 
2017-11-18 12:29:49 PM  

BizarreMan: Was this pushed by the advertisers or the TV manufacturers?

Because I can see the manufacturers drooling over this.  They forced us to buy new TV's (or boxes) when HD came out and they haven't been able to convince us to do a wholesale refresh of TV's with 3D, 4k, curved, etc because we spend $500+ on a new TV we're going to use it until it stops working.

Yea I know we buy new cell phones and tablets before the old one dies out. But theoretically, they give us new stuff that is gee whiz cool.  TV's on the other hand.  I don't use any of the smart functions on my TV.  All it does is just displays a picture from one of 4 different inputs and I see no reason to replace it anytime soon.

Giving someone the ability to turn my TV on and broadcast things to me whether I want the TV on or not is BS.  Even if it's an "emergency" notification.  Because you know what?  I already get emergency messages on my cell phones.

As far as getting the demographics on what I'm watching and when.  Well, I am extremely aware that when I am watching something on my DVR, DirecTV knows that I've watched it.  (They also know where I live too.)  Netflix, Hulu and Amazon know where I live, what I watch and when as well.

What I don't want to see is targeted commercials based on where I live, what I've watched or if there is enough integration, what I've surfed on the internet.

Six months ago I did a quick search for something on my iPad.  I am still getting ads trying to convince me to buy a product that I am not the least bit interested in.


This thread is complete.
 
2017-11-18 12:33:50 PM  
Does it cost one million credits?
 
2017-11-18 12:35:37 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Can't take over my tv if I don't have one.

Can't take over my teevee if I don't have one.


FTFEveryone
 
2017-11-18 12:37:06 PM  

vudukungfu: So when you tell at the wife that you are out of TP, you get TP commercials.

Daughter on the couch with her biker boyfriend?
Condom commercials.


When I'm thirsty I want my tv to tell me "I know what it feels like to be thirsty too"
 
2017-11-18 12:38:08 PM  

GardenWeasel: BizarreMan: What I don't want to see is targeted commercials based on where I live, what I've watched or if there is enough integration, what I've surfed on the internet.

You think targeted fake news on Facebook was bad, wait until Sinclair gets ahold of this.

They are already planning on removing local newscasters and replacing rhem with a centralized newsroom.

Sinclair wants to deliver completely targeted newscasts based on the viewer.


Sinclair owns a number of the patents for this system.
 
2017-11-18 12:44:44 PM  
BizarreMan:
Yea I know we buy new cell phones and tablets before the old one dies out. But theoretically, they give us new stuff that is gee whiz cool.  TV's on the other hand.  I don't use any of the smart functions on my TV.  All it does is just displays a picture from one of 4 different inputs and I see no reason to replace it anytime soon.

The main reason to upgrade a TV is picture quality. The majority of TV's sold today are LCD's which are damn near unwatchable (they really shouldn't be allowed to sell crap like that), OLED is a bit better, but it still has issues. Technology keeps improving but we're not even close to a point where you can just walk into a random electronics store and buy a TV with acceptable picture quality.
 
2017-11-18 12:45:52 PM  

BorgDrone: BizarreMan:
Yea I know we buy new cell phones and tablets before the old one dies out. But theoretically, they give us new stuff that is gee whiz cool.  TV's on the other hand.  I don't use any of the smart functions on my TV.  All it does is just displays a picture from one of 4 different inputs and I see no reason to replace it anytime soon.

The main reason to upgrade a TV is picture quality. The majority of TV's sold today are LCD's which are damn near unwatchable (they really shouldn't be allowed to sell crap like that), OLED is a bit better, but it still has issues. Technology keeps improving but we're not even close to a point where you can just walk into a random electronics store and buy a TV with acceptable picture quality.


I miss being able to turn a dial rapidly and not have any delay with the channels
 
2017-11-18 12:48:42 PM  
Also, my home market (Phoenix) is going to be the first city to adopt the new technology on a widespread basis. Wait until my brother wakes up one morning and finds his favorite classic tv show and movie channels are gone.
 
2017-11-18 12:53:39 PM  

Twitch Boy: Can't turn the TV on if it's not plugged in.


Yeah, I switch off my surge protector when I'm not using my electronics. I can't stand the power status lights.
 
2017-11-18 12:53:46 PM  
Or, you know, you could simply not put in the network connection

Just saying...
 
2017-11-18 12:56:39 PM  

LeftCoast_eh: Or, you know, you could simply not put in the network connection

Just saying...


Odds are you'll get a nag screen or possibly stuck at a reg screen if you don't connect to the internet.
 
2017-11-18 01:03:12 PM  
At least for now, televisions still come with OFF buttons.
 
2017-11-18 01:04:44 PM  

BizarreMan: Was this pushed by the advertisers or the TV manufacturers?

Because I can see the manufacturers drooling over this.  They forced us to buy new TV's (or boxes) when HD came out and they haven't been able to convince us to do a wholesale refresh of TV's with 3D, 4k, curved, etc because we spend $500+ on a new TV we're going to use it until it stops working.

Yea I know we buy new cell phones and tablets before the old one dies out. But theoretically, they give us new stuff that is gee whiz cool.  TV's on the other hand.  I don't use any of the smart functions on my TV.  All it does is just displays a picture from one of 4 different inputs and I see no reason to replace it anytime soon.

Giving someone the ability to turn my TV on and broadcast things to me whether I want the TV on or not is BS.  Even if it's an "emergency" notification.  Because you know what?  I already get emergency messages on my cell phones.

As far as getting the demographics on what I'm watching and when.  Well, I am extremely aware that when I am watching something on my DVR, DirecTV knows that I've watched it.  (They also know where I live too.)  Netflix, Hulu and Amazon know where I live, what I watch and when as well.

What I don't want to see is targeted commercials based on where I live, what I've watched or if there is enough integration, what I've surfed on the internet.

Six months ago I did a quick search for something on my iPad.  I am still getting ads trying to convince me to buy a product that I am not the least bit interested in.


No one forced you to get HD TVs or boxes for them.  The government even subsidized the boxes for free for the digital broadcasts, and cable companies still provide digital to analag converters.

Blame the government and cable tv companies.
 
2017-11-18 01:06:00 PM  

Znuh: At least for now, televisions still come with OFF buttons.


No they don't.
 
2017-11-18 01:06:06 PM  

BizarreMan: LeftCoast_eh: Or, you know, you could simply not put in the network connection

Just saying...

Odds are you'll get a nag screen or possibly stuck at a reg screen if you don't connect to the internet.


REFUND!

If this became prevalent (and we would find out through social media), we would not buy from that manufacturer.

This has disturbing echoes of 1984.
 
2017-11-18 01:07:23 PM  

padraig: Znuh: At least for now, televisions still come with OFF buttons.

No they don't.


Ours does.
 
2017-11-18 01:10:27 PM  
In Great Again America,  TV watches you.
 
2017-11-18 01:14:11 PM  
I wonder how long until it becomes illegal to turn your TV off?

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oh.
 
2017-11-18 01:20:58 PM  

DesertCoyote: GardenWeasel: BizarreMan: What I don't want to see is targeted commercials based on where I live, what I've watched or if there is enough integration, what I've surfed on the internet.

You think targeted fake news on Facebook was bad, wait until Sinclair gets ahold of this.

They are already planning on removing local newscasters and replacing rhem with a centralized newsroom.

Sinclair wants to deliver completely targeted newscasts based on the viewer.

Sinclair owns a number of the patents for this system.


Why am I not surprised?
 
2017-11-18 01:21:31 PM  

WTFDYW: padraig: Znuh: At least for now, televisions still come with OFF buttons.

No they don't.

Ours does.


Actual off or "sleep mode"? There aren't too many home electronics that have buttons that fully kill the power to the system any more.
 
2017-11-18 01:23:43 PM  

Arcangela: Yeah, I switch off my surge protector when I'm not using my electronics. I can't stand the power status lights.


First they make it legal for the broadcasters to turn your TV on.
Then they make it illegal for you to turn it off again.
Welcome to The Max Headroom Show.
BUY ZIK-ZAK!
 
2017-11-18 01:25:22 PM  
Many companies have raised concerns about costs, including AT&T Inc and Verizon Communications Inc. Cable, satellite and other pay TV providers "would incur significant costs to receive, transmit, and deliver ATSC 3.0 signals to subscribers, including for network and subscriber equipment," Verizon said.

This is one of the reasons why the providers are trying to buy up the content holders.
 
2017-11-18 01:26:17 PM  

captjc: WTFDYW: padraig: Znuh: At least for now, televisions still come with OFF buttons.

No they don't.

Ours does.

Actual off or "sleep mode"? There aren't too many home electronics that have buttons that fully kill the power to the system any more.


Since we have been using RF remotes nothing really fully "killed" the power unless you unplugged it.
 
2017-11-18 01:29:23 PM  

theflatline: Since we have been using RF remotes nothing really fully "killed" the power unless you unplugged it.


Most remotes are infra-red LEDs. Prior to that, ultrasonic remotes. And prior to that, wired remotes. And prior to that, the wife :-)

I have not heard of RF remotes...
 
2017-11-18 01:31:56 PM  

padraig: Znuh: At least for now, televisions still come with OFF buttons.

No they don't.


If you try to control several devices from a single programmable remote control, you'll find that many devices only have a 'power toggle' rather than using one code for 'on' and another for 'off'. Inevitably one of them will get out of sync and turn itself off when you're trying to turn everything else on.

Also, if it uses a wireless remote control then it's never truly 'off'. At a bare minimum it's running enough circuitry to decode an incoming infrared signal and tell the main circuitry to wake up. It could be doing a lot more in the background (e.g. listening for the alert signals which are described in this article) and the user wouldn't know about it as long as the screen stayed dark.
 
2017-11-18 01:35:18 PM  

LeftCoast_eh: theflatline: Since we have been using RF remotes nothing really fully "killed" the power unless you unplugged it.

Most remotes are infra-red LEDs. Prior to that, ultrasonic remotes. And prior to that, wired remotes. And prior to that, the wife :-)

I have not heard of RF remotes...


Roku-compatible and some of the otherwise more "upscale" sets with all the internet crap use them. That way they can add features like audio streaming or thumb-typing keyboards.
 
2017-11-18 01:38:13 PM  

LeftCoast_eh: theflatline: Since we have been using RF remotes nothing really fully "killed" the power unless you unplugged it.

Most remotes are infra-red LEDs. Prior to that, ultrasonic remotes. And prior to that, wired remotes. And prior to that, the wife :-)

I have not heard of RF remotes...


Ir/RF/LEDS, I should have been clear on that.  RF are not as common as they used to be.   Direct TV used to use RF remotes.
 
2017-11-18 01:38:42 PM  

captjc: LeftCoast_eh: theflatline: Since we have been using RF remotes nothing really fully "killed" the power unless you unplugged it.

Most remotes are infra-red LEDs. Prior to that, ultrasonic remotes. And prior to that, wired remotes. And prior to that, the wife :-)

I have not heard of RF remotes...

Roku-compatible and some of the otherwise more "upscale" sets with all the internet crap use them. That way they can add features like audio streaming or thumb-typing keyboards.


So those remotes must be specific to the equipment, rather than the brand. Otherwise you could control your neighbours TV. This would be a real pain if you want to use a universal remote, as I do.
 
2017-11-18 01:38:49 PM  
F U, I'm not buying a new TV
 
2017-11-18 01:43:15 PM  
like new educational content for children and multiple angles of live sporting events
Like Rodney Dangerfield don't get me started.
 
2017-11-18 01:44:01 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: BizarreMan: Was this pushed by the advertisers or the TV manufacturers?

Because I can see the manufacturers drooling over this.  They forced us to buy new TV's (or boxes) when HD came out and they haven't been able to convince us to do a wholesale refresh of TV's with 3D, 4k, curved, etc because we spend $500+ on a new TV we're going to use it until it stops working.

Yea I know we buy new cell phones and tablets before the old one dies out. But theoretically, they give us new stuff that is gee whiz cool.  TV's on the other hand.  I don't use any of the smart functions on my TV.  All it does is just displays a picture from one of 4 different inputs and I see no reason to replace it anytime soon.

Giving someone the ability to turn my TV on and broadcast things to me whether I want the TV on or not is BS.  Even if it's an "emergency" notification.  Because you know what?  I already get emergency messages on my cell phones.

As far as getting the demographics on what I'm watching and when.  Well, I am extremely aware that when I am watching something on my DVR, DirecTV knows that I've watched it.  (They also know where I live too.)  Netflix, Hulu and Amazon know where I live, what I watch and when as well.

What I don't want to see is targeted commercials based on where I live, what I've watched or if there is enough integration, what I've surfed on the internet.

Six months ago I did a quick search for something on my iPad.  I am still getting ads trying to convince me to buy a product that I am not the least bit interested in.

Forcing the TV to turn on for emergency broadcasts could be good depending on how it's used.  If there's a tornado headed for my house, I want to know.  If there's an Amber Alert from two counties away, I don't need to know about that (and I get annoyed when my cell phone decides to wake me up in the middle of the night for that).

As for the rest, broadcasting in 4K with wide color gamut and HDR are very good things.   Of course, most people don't get their TV OTA, and there will be external tuner boxes for older TVs anyway.


If most people (with money) don't use OVA then why date it again so soon since last time we force the (poor) people who use broadcast television?
 
2017-11-18 01:44:57 PM  

captjc: WTFDYW: padraig: Znuh: At least for now, televisions still come with OFF buttons.

No they don't.

Ours does.

Actual off or "sleep mode"? There aren't too many home electronics that have buttons that fully kill the power to the system any more.


I am giving this idea away for free for anyone who has the resources to bring it to market:  Outlet adapters that can be controlled by WiFi or any universal remote (preferably both) to switch the power to any appliance on or off.  There would be a list of predefined identities ("TV", "Sound System", etc.) as well as the ability to define your own names for things.  Ideally a universal remote could be programmed so that "TV power on" would tell the TV outlet adapter to turn on, wait a few seconds, then tell the TV itself to turn on, and vice-versa when powering things down.

My dream though is to market the Ludd Deluxe line of phones to paranoids, people who work in secure areas (who should be a subset of the first group anyway), and parents who don't want their kids sending nude photos of themselves:  Small enough to fit in most pockets, these phones would feature no GPS chip, no camera, an easily removed battery, and patented SPST(tm) True Off(tm) technology.  Also, no buttons or controls on the outside of the phone when it is flipped closed, a pet peeve of mine. Proof against tracking, sexting, buttdialing, butttweeting, and buttfacebooking, with a battery life that other phones can only dream of.

Also, find out who I have to blackmail at Paramount to get the rights to produce a flip-phone that looks like a ST:tOS communicator.
 
2017-11-18 01:45:48 PM  

berylman: like new educational content for children and multiple angles of live sporting events
Like Rodney Dangerfield don't get me started.


Does that mean that the FCC will get rid of the archaic "three hours of unwatchable educational crap" rule on linear broadcast TV?
 
2017-11-18 01:47:17 PM  
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2017-11-18 01:52:49 PM  
DesertCoyoteDoes that mean that the FCC will get rid of the archaic "three hours of unwatchable educational crap" rule on linear broadcast TV?
The midget chooses: the man obeys.
 
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