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2017-11-18 09:26:17 AM  
How is it even remotely legal to use campaign donations to pay legal fees?
 
2017-11-18 09:28:54 AM  

harleyquinnical: How is it even remotely legal to use campaign donations to pay legal fees?


Campaign donations can be used to pay all campaign related bills, especially legal bills. What do you think donations are used for? A bunch of signs and some crappy TV commercials?
 
2017-11-18 09:50:12 AM  
If he gets called out on it in the press AND the Republicans object, he'll change his ways.

See: importing endangered species trophies.
 
2017-11-18 09:50:39 AM  

harleyquinnical: How is it even remotely legal to use campaign donations to pay legal fees?


I could see having an issue with campaign donations going toward legal bills relating to his time in office, but these things under investigation were during the campaign.  So it really is just an extension of that.  And I don't necessarily see an issue with campaign donations going to lawyers just as they would commercials and bumper stickers.

This is just the technical me speaking.  I'm not saying he didn't partake in illegal things while campaigning.  But I see it as an extension of that- the campaign.  And I think it is reasonable to understand lawyers are very involved in those.
 
2017-11-18 11:05:10 AM  
Presidents have been impeached before, Subby.
 
2017-11-18 11:18:32 AM  

harleyquinnical: How is it even remotely legal to use campaign donations to pay legal fees?


Gee, I don't know, who makes the laws regarding these things?
 
2017-11-18 11:19:21 AM  

harleyquinnical: How is it even remotely legal to use campaign donations to pay legal fees?


Well, it's not, first of all...
 
2017-11-18 11:20:34 AM  
I hope this doofus tries to stiff them and ends up having to represent himself.
 
2017-11-18 11:20:51 AM  
Trump might have agreed to pay them but they will never see a dime of his money. They will get paid, but only in cash delivered by a guy named Boris.
 
2017-11-18 11:21:48 AM  

harleyquinnical: How is it even remotely legal to use campaign donations to pay legal fees?


There are lots of reasons a campaign needs lawyers - from penny ante issues with volunteers and legal liability, to big time Supreme Court challenges over butterfly ballots, hanging chads, and polling station locations. This rule makes perfect sense.

As TFA notes, however, Trump is the first candidate in modern history to use campaign funds to defend against a criminal probe into his campaign.
 
2017-11-18 11:22:19 AM  
...Um, guys? Trump (or a Trump mouthpiece) saying "he's going to pay for something" is worth about as much as a framed ticket stub from "Mom's Night" at the Dayton Ohio "Improv Zoo."
 
2017-11-18 11:22:45 AM  
Ooooo, this must be what they saved the extra $100 million from the inauguration for.
 
2017-11-18 11:24:06 AM  
Trump's lawyers say he's totes paying his legal bills with his own money, promise. Don't ask for proof, why would anyone associated with Fat Donny lie?
 
2017-11-18 11:25:11 AM  

downstairs: harleyquinnical: How is it even remotely legal to use campaign donations to pay legal fees?

I could see having an issue with campaign donations going toward legal bills relating to his time in office, but these things under investigation were during the campaign.  So it really is just an extension of that.  And I don't necessarily see an issue with campaign donations going to lawyers just as they would commercials and bumper stickers.

This is just the technical me speaking.  I'm not saying he didn't partake in illegal things while campaigning.  But I see it as an extension of that- the campaign.  And I think it is reasonable to understand lawyers are very involved in those.


So because he's always been awful it's okay?
 
2017-11-18 11:26:24 AM  
And he's going to pay them back for everything up till now, right?
Right?
Bueller?
Buell...

FTFA: and now wants to make the party "even."

Holy farking shiat.
 
2017-11-18 11:27:19 AM  
He'll probably demand congratulations for doing it too
 
2017-11-18 11:29:36 AM  

Man On A Mission: harleyquinnical: How is it even remotely legal to use campaign donations to pay legal fees?

Campaign donations can be used to pay all campaign related bills, especially legal bills. What do you think donations are used for? A bunch of signs and some crappy TV commercials?


I thought they were used to give family members phony jobs.
 
2017-11-18 11:29:38 AM  

Blathering Idjut: downstairs: harleyquinnical: How is it even remotely legal to use campaign donations to pay legal fees?

I could see having an issue with campaign donations going toward legal bills relating to his time in office, but these things under investigation were during the campaign.  So it really is just an extension of that.  And I don't necessarily see an issue with campaign donations going to lawyers just as they would commercials and bumper stickers.

This is just the technical me speaking.  I'm not saying he didn't partake in illegal things while campaigning.  But I see it as an extension of that- the campaign.  And I think it is reasonable to understand lawyers are very involved in those.

So because he's always been awful it's okay?


Clearly.  This is the defense proposed by Huckabooboo why Senator Franken is worse than Trump
 
2017-11-18 11:30:19 AM  
I suspect that actually means he will accrue personal debt and then declare bankruptcy and then only pay back a fraction.
 
2017-11-18 11:32:49 AM  
FTA:

Additionally, Trump's re-election campaign paid more than $300,000 this year in bills to lawyers representing his son, Donald Trump Jr., according to public disclosures.

So how is that even remotely legal? His son isn't running for anything.
 
2017-11-18 11:34:31 AM  

harleyquinnical: How is it even remotely legal to use campaign donations to pay legal fees?


Which is why his lawyers told him to stop.
 
2017-11-18 11:35:35 AM  
Trump lawyers have made him a lot more money in the long run than they cost. Who do you think creates the web of legal documentation that allows him to stiff contractors, bankrupt businesses, and hold voting rights over hotels he doesn't technically own? He's not smart enough to do these things on his own. I expect his cabal of bloodsuckers are well reimbursed and have made up for the investment many times over.
 
2017-11-18 11:35:53 AM  
Oh, so Putin just transferred $3 billion to Trump's checking account?
 
2017-11-18 11:36:31 AM  
Let's not start sucking each other's ducks yet.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-legal-f​e​es-staffers-conflict-interest-715995

He's also paying for his staffers' legal fees which is a troubling conflict of interest.

/yes, AutoCorrect.  But I left it because it was funny
 
2017-11-18 11:37:07 AM  
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2017-11-18 11:37:53 AM  
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Let us gradually process the details of this monstrous idiocy
 
2017-11-18 11:38:20 AM  

Man On A Mission: harleyquinnical: How is it even remotely legal to use campaign donations to pay legal fees?

Campaign donations can be used to pay all campaign related bills, especially legal bills. What do you think donations are used for? A bunch of signs and some crappy TV commercials?


I thought they were for hookers & blow.
 
2017-11-18 11:40:50 AM  

Brandyelf: FTA:

Additionally, Trump's re-election campaign paid more than $300,000 this year in bills to lawyers representing his son, Donald Trump Jr., according to public disclosures.

So how is that even remotely legal? His son isn't running for anything.


This was my question.  Why aren't people flipping out over this?
 
2017-11-18 11:41:58 AM  

Brandyelf: FTA:

Additionally, Trump's re-election campaign paid more than $300,000 this year in bills to lawyers representing his son, Donald Trump Jr., according to public disclosures.

So how is that even remotely legal? His son isn't running for anything.


He's probably running from something. Close enough.
 
2017-11-18 11:43:00 AM  

Skleenar: Let's not start sucking each other's ducks yet.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-legal-fe​es-staffers-conflict-interest-715995

He's also paying for his staffers' legal fees which is a troubling conflict of interest.

/yes, AutoCorrect.  But I left it because it was funny


It's also completely unsurprising.  We know this guy's corrupt as hell.  There's no reason for him to hide it anymore.
 
2017-11-18 11:43:20 AM  

Literally Addicted: Brandyelf: FTA:

Additionally, Trump's re-election campaign paid more than $300,000 this year in bills to lawyers representing his son, Donald Trump Jr., according to public disclosures.

So how is that even remotely legal? His son isn't running for anything.

This was my question.  Why aren't people flipping out over this?


Because until the GOP decide it's illegal, nothing will happen. It's out of our hands until Mueller does something at this point.
 
2017-11-18 11:48:14 AM  
Interesting that I read an article yesterday asking about where all the money from Trump's Inauguration fund went. Apparently lt was something like 120 million.

A grifting they  will go
 
2017-11-18 11:49:36 AM  

Literally Addicted: Brandyelf: FTA:

Additionally, Trump's re-election campaign paid more than $300,000 this year in bills to lawyers representing his son, Donald Trump Jr., according to public disclosures.

So how is that even remotely legal? His son isn't running for anything.

This was my question.  Why aren't people flipping out over this?


1. People don't know about it.
2. People don't know it's illegal.
 
2017-11-18 11:51:34 AM  

Brandyelf: FTA:

Additionally, Trump's re-election campaign paid more than $300,000 this year in bills to lawyers representing his son, Donald Trump Jr., according to public disclosures.

So how is that even remotely legal? His son isn't running for anything.


But he was a surrogate during the campaign, and apparently one of the stupid enough to directly interface with the Russians.
 
2017-11-18 11:52:23 AM  
Every related article since December has covered this. It is legal to cover legal fees associated with the campaign, under the assumption that those cases would not have happened if the candidate kept a low profile.

Yes, even if they would have happened, and yes for other people.

I assume that's part of the reason trump sends out stupid polls, where submitting sends you to a campaign fundraiser page.

"Raising money for 2020" he says.

Now, supporters are getting tired of paying, and the RNC and Trump think they can't beat that dead horse much longer without funds drying up. Especially since Trump ran on paying his own way. Why should my $10 go to subsidize a billionaire? they wonder, failing to recognise the irony.
 
2017-11-18 11:53:21 AM  
Re: RNC not paying them any more... Dumb question: does paying someone else's legal bills open you up to liability or investigation? Like, "they know they're guilty, too, so they're trying to distance themselves"?
 
2017-11-18 11:53:29 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Literally Addicted: Brandyelf: FTA:

Additionally, Trump's re-election campaign paid more than $300,000 this year in bills to lawyers representing his son, Donald Trump Jr., according to public disclosures.

So how is that even remotely legal? His son isn't running for anything.

This was my question.  Why aren't people flipping out over this?

1. People don't know about it.
2. People don't know it's illegal.


Are we totally sure it's illegal for a campaign fund to pay the legal fees for defending alleged crimes committed by the campaign? I think we need to separate Trump the man from Trump the candidate as the law generally treats the two separately.
 
2017-11-18 11:54:33 AM  

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That is some brilliant commentary.
Charles Blow is one of the best.
 
2017-11-18 11:57:25 AM  
Shaggy_C

We are the opposite of sure. We apparently think it should be illegal, so we believe it is despite evidence to the contrary.
 
2017-11-18 11:58:45 AM  
So next month Trump lawyers all quit because they have not been getting paid?
 
2017-11-18 12:00:17 PM  
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trum​p-using-campaign-funds-to-pay-for-lega​l-defense-in-russia-investigation-2017​-09-19

You can read the FEC rules on your own time.
 
2017-11-18 12:07:06 PM  
No payment. No payment! You're a payment!
 
2017-11-18 12:09:38 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Trump might have agreed to pay them but they will never see a dime of his money. They will get paid, but only in cash delivered by a guy named Boris.


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Ya Nie Znaiou Chto Gavarit Tavarish.

this being, Boris had a very interesting political career.

He, for instance, was in charge of the destruction of the Ipatiev house where the Romanov were held and executed.
He was more than just a functional alcoholic puppet; he was part of the puppeteer gang.
 
2017-11-18 12:11:03 PM  
The laws which there are very few concerning money transfers should have been done a century ago.
 
2017-11-18 12:14:43 PM  

Man On A Mission: harleyquinnical: How is it even remotely legal to use campaign donations to pay legal fees?

Campaign donations can be used to pay all campaign related bills, especially legal bills. What do you think donations are used for? A bunch of signs and some crappy TV commercials?


Unfortunately, this looks like the right answer. That being said, is he paying with HIS money or the Trump Foundation's?
 
2017-11-18 12:18:37 PM  

edmo: If he gets called out on it in the press AND the Republicans object, he'll change his ways.

See: importing endangered species trophies.


Or he says he will change his ways.  Hasn't he lied about spending he own money on stuff a lot. Like every time he has said he will spend his own money?  Why would anyone believe him now?
 
2017-11-18 12:18:46 PM  
No, subby, he's just lying again. I guess you were in a coma for much of the past year. He does this all the time: make a claim and then imagine it will just disappear and nobody will ever check up on it.
 
2017-11-18 12:26:05 PM  
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2017-11-18 12:26:52 PM  
Small hands.  Small cock. So lonely.
 
2017-11-18 12:29:08 PM  

The Lone Gunman: Man On A Mission: harleyquinnical: How is it even remotely legal to use campaign donations to pay legal fees?

Campaign donations can be used to pay all campaign related bills, especially legal bills. What do you think donations are used for? A bunch of signs and some crappy TV commercials?

Unfortunately, this looks like the right answer. That being said, is he paying with HIS money or the Trump Foundation's?


What is the state of the Donald J. Trump foundation, anyway? Literally, the only stories I can find on its ultimate fate are from February of last year, where Donald tried to shut it down and the New York State Department told him, "you can't do that. We're still investigating you for defrauding charity, you pleb."
 
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