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(ESPN)   There may not be a one-and-done thing in the NBA anymore   ( espn.com) divider line
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1379 clicks; posted to Sports » on 17 Nov 2017 at 2:20 PM (13 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2017-11-17 02:14:12 PM  
I thought this was about NBA players having one night stands with women in each city they visit and then being done with them.
 
2017-11-17 02:59:37 PM  
This would be a good thing. They should also add a round to the draft and expand the "G" league to allow for longer development times for these young prospects.
 
2017-11-17 03:00:55 PM  
Gee, just as a small number of top prospects are starting to go play in Europe or Asia for a year instead of volunteering to work for free.

Coincidence, I'm sure.
 
2017-11-17 03:03:53 PM  
Good! One and done ruins both leagues. College teams suffer because nobody sticks around long enough to form a good team. The NBA suffers from having all these kids who haven't learned how to play the game filling up roster spots.
 
2017-11-17 03:05:33 PM  
This kind of makes sense as to why Gatorade put their name on the league. They're probably looking at it as a new competitor to college basketball.

Watch the phenoms grow before they're NBA ready.

Now the NFL needs to do the same to totally make the NCAA irrelevant as it should be.
 
2017-11-17 03:06:07 PM  
If they want to continue the pretense of college athletics being in support of the players' educations, they could actually require them to spend four years in school and/or matriculate a degree to be draft-eligible.
 
2017-11-17 03:07:55 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: If they want to continue the pretense of college athletics being in support of the players' educations, they could actually require them to spend four years in school and/or matriculate a degree to be draft-eligible.


Yeah let's earn 4-years of money off these people before they leave!

If the NBA really want to cut the legs off of the NCAA, they could put in their bylaws that if you choose not to enter the draft after high school, you need to wait 4 years.
 
2017-11-17 03:45:21 PM  

MugzyBrown: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: If they want to continue the pretense of college athletics being in support of the players' educations, they could actually require them to spend four years in school and/or matriculate a degree to be draft-eligible.

Yeah let's earn 4-years of money off these people before they leave!

If the NBA really want to cut the legs off of the NCAA, they could put in their bylaws that if you choose not to enter the draft after high school, you need to wait 4 years.


But do they want to?
 
2017-11-17 03:47:28 PM  
College basketball has become much worse because of it. Kentucky and Duke and maybe UNC suck up three or four top players a year, barely teach them anything about the sport, and they're not much better coming into the NBA. It's made both leagues worse.
 
2017-11-17 03:51:13 PM  
Two and skidoo?

JC
 
2017-11-17 03:51:46 PM  
I think the baseball model is the best - you can declare for the draft after high school but if you choose to go to college, then you can't be drafted until after your junior year.
 
2017-11-17 03:53:04 PM  
Good.

The NCAA should not be the NBA's minor league system.

Let the folks who don't give a damn about the education go straight into D-league or whatever, and leave the NCAA for players who actually want an education.
 
2017-11-17 04:06:42 PM  
I'm all for ending 1-and-done.  Stupid system that never should've been.  NCAA is a joke.
 
2017-11-17 04:32:43 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: MugzyBrown: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: If they want to continue the pretense of college athletics being in support of the players' educations, they could actually require them to spend four years in school and/or matriculate a degree to be draft-eligible.

Yeah let's earn 4-years of money off these people before they leave!

If the NBA really want to cut the legs off of the NCAA, they could put in their bylaws that if you choose not to enter the draft after high school, you need to wait 4 years.

But do they want to?


Of course not. NBA made the rule in the first place in order to save teams from themselves in drafting the high school kids, while also getting a year of free publicity for the guys who are still good enough to come out after the one year, so they come to the league with more people knowing who they are.
 
2017-11-17 04:37:19 PM  

AquaTatanka: I'm all for ending 1-and-done.  Stupid system that never should've been.  NCAA is a joke.


It's an NBA rule, not NCAA.
 
2017-11-17 04:52:22 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: College basketball has become much worse because of it. Kentucky and Duke and maybe UNC suck up three or four top players a year, barely teach them anything about the sport, and they're not much better coming into the NBA. It's made both leagues worse.


Yeah, I was just saying how much better the NBA would be if DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall, Anthony Davis, Karl Anthony Towns, and close to 60% of the Suns roster weren't there.

/UNC and Duke, though, you may have a point.
/Yes, I'm clearly from THAT state.
 
2017-11-17 05:42:41 PM  

dark brew: I think the baseball model is the best - you can declare for the draft after high school but if you choose to go to college, then you can't be drafted until after your junior year.


Well, TFA says the current plan is that players can be drafted immediately out of high school, but if they go to college they have to stay for at least 2 years. So I guess that's close enough to what you're asking for.
 
2017-11-17 06:21:23 PM  

kazrak: Let the folks who don't give a damn about the education go straight into D-league or whatever, and leave the NCAA for players who actually want an education


That would leave nearly enough players in the NCAA to field two complete teams.

pdieten: Well, TFA says the current plan is that players can be drafted immediately out of high school, but if they go to college they have to stay for at least 2 years. So I guess that's close enough to what you're asking for.


That would be a lawsuit waiting to happen, and rightfully so.
 
2017-11-17 06:22:33 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: AquaTatanka: I'm all for ending 1-and-done.  Stupid system that never should've been.  NCAA is a joke.

It's an NBA rule, not NCAA.


I'm well aware of that.  It's an NBA rule that, if it didn't exist, the NCAA wouldn't be able to exploit the one and dones as easily.
 
2017-11-17 07:04:42 PM  

mjbok: That would be a lawsuit waiting to happen, and rightfully so.


How so? No one has an inherent right to play in the NBA. The league can choose who it wants to employ. That would be like Brittney Griner suing the NBA, because she's never been drafted, even though she feels she's a better basketball player than the 13-14-15th man on most teams' rosters.

Whether or not it's a valid point is immaterial.
 
2017-11-17 07:09:49 PM  

mjbok: kazrak: Let the folks who don't give a damn about the education go straight into D-league or whatever, and leave the NCAA for players who actually want an education

That would leave nearly enough players in the NCAA to field two complete teams.

pdieten: Well, TFA says the current plan is that players can be drafted immediately out of high school, but if they go to college they have to stay for at least 2 years. So I guess that's close enough to what you're asking for.

That would be a lawsuit waiting to happen, and rightfully so.


Eh, there aren't enough G-League teams for that.

Kinda like how when guys could enter the league out of HS, college ball was fine.

Honestly, the record of dudes coming straight out of HS is better than that of top picks coming from one year of college. Or even four years.

Get a team of Howard at the 5, KG at the 4, LeBron at the 3, Kobe at the 2, and...hell, pick another guy at another position and let LeBron play point.

Gonna go with that squad in their prime over a squad of the one-and-dones.
 
2017-11-17 08:04:24 PM  

Gonz: mjbok: That would be a lawsuit waiting to happen, and rightfully so.

How so? No one has an inherent right to play in the NBA. The league can choose who it wants to employ. That would be like Brittney Griner suing the NBA, because she's never been drafted, even though she feels she's a better basketball player than the 13-14-15th man on most teams' rosters.

Whether or not it's a valid point is immaterial.


Griner could sue if she was good enough to play in the NBA, she's not.  How she feels is immaterial.  She is eligible to be drafted.  If they implement this new set of rules they make people ineligible for the draft for what could be seen as a labor law violation since many of them would clearly be good enough to play in the NBA.  Not saying the case would be successful, just saying a case would happen.
 
2017-11-17 10:19:28 PM  

IAmRight: Eh, there aren't enough G-League teams for that.


26/30 franchises have a team and I would be legitimately surprised if those other 4 won't have one by 2020

Begun, the farm system NBA has. I can't wait. It can only mean better basketball.
 
2017-11-18 01:46:27 AM  

mjbok: pdieten: Well, TFA says the current plan is that players can be drafted immediately out of high school, but if they go to college they have to stay for at least 2 years. So I guess that's close enough to what you're asking for.

That would be a lawsuit waiting to happen, and rightfully so.


Not necessarily, and baseball uses that rule (3 years instead of 2).  If the NBA is going to go with it, the players union can sign off on it, and it's a go (see Maurice Clarett v NFL).
 
2017-11-18 01:58:04 AM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: mjbok: pdieten: Well, TFA says the current plan is that players can be drafted immediately out of high school, but if they go to college they have to stay for at least 2 years. So I guess that's close enough to what you're asking for.

That would be a lawsuit waiting to happen, and rightfully so.

Not necessarily, and baseball uses that rule (3 years instead of 2).  If the NBA is going to go with it, the players union can sign off on it, and it's a go (see Maurice Clarett v NFL).


I don't know how the baseball rule works, but Clarett's case was different.  It wasn't that he couldn't play in the NFL because he had been in college and not done his two full years it was that no one less than two years removed from HS could enter the league.  It was the same for everyone.  The proposed change would put people that go to college (at all) in a holding pattern for two years whereas anyone who did not go to college could go pro after a year off, a year in D league, a year in Europe, etc.
 
2017-11-18 02:17:15 AM  
The one and done rule was more damaging to college players than the prior rule.  Very few players tested the waters after high school.  But I have developed the impression that the 1 and done rule has encouraged players to jump early for marketing purposes. Lonzo Ball is a great example, NBA talent, but could use seasoning while not costing folks millions a year.

A lot of NBA talent has been washed out due to the nature of the association. A change in the rule will be better for better for the folks who are true NBA prodigies.  The rest have an incentive to develop their skills to be NBA talent.
 
2017-11-18 02:25:04 AM  

chapman: The one and done rule was more damaging to college players than the prior rule.  Very few players tested the waters after high school.  But I have developed the impression that the 1 and done rule has encouraged players to jump early for marketing purposes. Lonzo Ball is a great example, NBA talent, but could use seasoning while not costing folks millions a year.

A lot of NBA talent has been washed out due to the nature of the association. A change in the rule will be better for better for the folks who are true NBA prodigies.  The rest have an incentive to develop their skills to be NBA talent.


The Lakers took the gamble on Ball.  Would he be better after another year of college.  Almost for sure.  Of any of them he seems to be the least douchey of the family, but that is a low bar to set.

Not the current Ball, or even the next Ball, but I think the third Ball is the interesting case.  Current Ball is not yet good enough for the NBA.  Next Ball may never be good enough, but will be in the NBA next year.  Third Ball will probably be ready straight from HS.

//Might have second and third Ball reversed.
 
2017-11-18 08:22:07 AM  

Cheeseface: IAmRight: Eh, there aren't enough G-League teams for that.

26/30 franchises have a team and I would be legitimately surprised if those other 4 won't have one by 2020

Begun, the farm system NBA has. I can't wait. It can only mean better basketball.


And there are 300+ Div I NCAA teams.

NBA and g league rosters simply aren't that big.
 
2017-11-18 02:06:57 PM  
mjbok: I don't know how the baseball rule works, but Clarett's case was different.  It wasn't that he couldn't play in the NFL because he had been in college and not done his two full years it was that no one less than two years removed from HS could enter the league.  It was the same for everyone.  The proposed change would put people that go to college (at all) in a holding pattern for two years whereas anyone who did not go to college could go pro after a year off, a year in D league, a year in Europe, etc.

One in the same, except for 3 years instead of 2.

And no, the Clarett case is not different.  You said it's a lawsuit waiting to happen, but if the NBAPA signs off on this proposed rule, and a HS graduate decides to challenge it in court, all the NBA has to do is cite Clarett v NFL, saying that the players union ok'd the rule, and it's 100% legal.
 
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