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2017-11-14 11:43:35 PM  
depends on the sect in question - US evangelicals, or at least the fringe-ier groups anyways, seem particularly fond of pairing young women with much, much older men.  its difficult to make a blanket accusation of pedophilia against all of Christendom given how scattered and decentralized that faith has become over the past 2 centuries.
 
2017-11-14 11:58:22 PM  
Well that ought to sink Moore's candidacy for sure!
 
2017-11-15 12:55:56 AM  
Thanks assholes. That's just going to make them dig in further.
 
2017-11-15 12:58:20 AM  
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2017-11-15 01:59:38 AM  
#9 of the 11 Satanic Rules of the Earth states simply "Do not harm little children."

#5 is "Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal."
 
2017-11-15 02:02:08 AM  
I mean, they do sort of have a point... Catholics to Evangelicals, just waiting for the Protestants and Eastern Orthodox and you've got the whole set.
 
2017-11-15 02:04:58 AM  
Are they wrong though?
 
2017-11-15 02:08:13 AM  
Any time you have a group in power who can virtue signal or claim moral superiority you will find people who take advantage. It matters not which fake god they invoke.
 
2017-11-15 02:12:26 AM  

Smackledorfer: Any time you have a group in power who can virtue signal or claim moral superiority you will find people who take advantage. It matters not which fake god they invoke.


Ach... get off yer high horse.

/;-)
 
2017-11-15 02:12:43 AM  
Can we quit pretending they are a "Moral Majority" yet?

My liver can only take so much.

/And they would back Ted Bundy II if anything negative came to light after his name was on the ballot.
//My agnostic ass knows not to do these things, because I'm a decent person.
///But your party and religion are running to defend his actions.
 
2017-11-15 02:16:42 AM  

TopoGigo: Are they wrong though?


Not that i've noticed.
 
2017-11-15 02:27:01 AM  
What did the Church of Satan have to do with it?

1. The idea of prolonged chastity by teenage girls is an entirely recent concept to Christians. Like aged in decades recent. Traditionally the solution to "no sex before marriage" was not holding aspirin between your knees, it was getting married very young.

2. Christians are messed up in the head. Local paper ran an editorial a few years back by a prominent Christian figure. He detailed the history of confession and sexual abuse by priests.

Confession started as a public practice. Folks would confess their sins and receive forgiveness in front of their congregation. It was when confession became a private ritual that priests had an opportunity to be alone with women and the first wave of church sex scandals began.

Confessions also started as something only adults did. When children started participating in private confessions, that's when priests started having significant time alone with children, and the sex scandals spread.

Somehow the point of this editorial was not that you should never allow yourself to be alone with a priest, but actually that the solution was somehow more confession.

I don't need Satanist to tell me Christians have major issues.
 
2017-11-15 02:27:21 AM  
There are many brands of satanists. The church of Satan bunch, as I understand it, don't really worship satan as much as they want others to worship them as if they themselves are satan. So basically all I am saying is that they aren't satanists so much as garden variety republicans..
 
2017-11-15 02:27:24 AM  

Weaver95: depends on the sect in question - US evangelicals, or at least the fringe-ier groups anyways, seem particularly fond of pairing young women with much, much older men.  its difficult to make a blanket accusation of pedophilia against all of Christendom given how scattered and decentralized that faith has become over the past 2 centuries.


They all fark underage kids. It's the minimum age part that varies.
 
2017-11-15 02:30:44 AM  

fragMasterFlash: So basically all I am saying is that they aren't satanists so much as garden variety republicans..


you should listen to a satanist discuss economics with an ayn rand loving evangelical.  I've only seen it happen once, but oh my gods was that some of the gotdamn funniest shiat I have ever seen.
 
2017-11-15 02:37:46 AM  
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Showing mercy implies that a wrongful act has been committed. What wrongful act does Ed think an abused child has committed?
 
2017-11-15 02:42:11 AM  
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/not impressed with their shenanigans.
 
2017-11-15 02:42:36 AM  

orbister: What wrongful act does Ed think an abused child has committed?


see - in abuser land, it's the victim's fault when the accuser gets caught.  its as simple and as f*cked up as that.  abusers tend to blame the victim when they get caught, because in the abusers eyes, none of this is 'abuse'.  its just 'sex' or 'tuesday evening entertainment' or whatever.  the point is, that to the abuser THEY aren't sick, or demented.  its all the fault of the victim for running out there and ruining a good thing for everyone.

abuser mentality is pretty deranged.
 
2017-11-15 02:46:08 AM  

orbister: [i.imgur.com image 753x86]
Showing mercy implies that a wrongful act has been committed. What wrongful act does Ed think an abused child has committed?


Sex outside of marriage. Duh!

/Only partly sarcastic. I don't trust his motives one bit.
 
2017-11-15 02:49:15 AM  
Ya know, if god is OK with pedophiles, maybe we've judged the Devil too harshly.
 
2017-11-15 02:51:43 AM  

electricjebus: Ya know, if god is OK with pedophiles, maybe we've judged the Devil too harshly.


why does everyone always assume there is only one god?  stop believing the christian propaganda and explore faith and religion on your OWN terms.  ignore the christians until you figure it out for yourself.  then go ask 'em for their opinions....just don't forget that all anyone has is 'opinions' on religion.  NONE of it is anything more than opinion.
 
2017-11-15 02:59:30 AM  

Smackledorfer: Any time you have a group in power who can virtue signal or claim moral superiority you will find people who take advantage. It matters not which fake god they invoke.


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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavre​n​tiy_Beria
 
2017-11-15 03:04:44 AM  

Weaver95: electricjebus: Ya know, if god is OK with pedophiles, maybe we've judged the Devil too harshly.

why does everyone always assume there is only one god?  stop believing the christian propaganda and explore faith and religion on your OWN terms.  ignore the christians until you figure it out for yourself.  then go ask 'em for their opinions....just don't forget that all anyone has is 'opinions' on religion.  NONE of it is anything more than opinion.


The choices are one, more than one, or less than one.
 
2017-11-15 03:05:20 AM  

Weaver95: why does everyone always assume there is only one god?  stop believing the christian propaganda and explore faith and religion on your OWN terms.  ignore the christians until you figure it out for yourself.  then go ask 'em for their opinions....just don't forget that all anyone has is 'opinions' on religion.  NONE of it is anything more than opinion.


I'm actually agnostic, I tried exploring faith and religion on my own... then I just said "fark it, I'll figure it out when I die... or I won't." and I wouldn't worship any god or god's that would hold that against me.

As for Christian propaganda, well my only real experience with going to church was a college university mostly ran by Jesuits, before Confirmation they made us go to a service at a Synagogue, a Mosque, and Hindu and Buddhist temples to see if we found those faiths more inline with our own beliefs.

They even let me dad, who was a well educated fellow agnostic teach Sunday school, a couple parents objected but the priest said "as long as he's respectful of Catholic beliefs the kid's could learn a lot about their religion from an agnostic with a history degree".
 
2017-11-15 03:22:45 AM  

mcmnky: What did the Church of Satan have to do with it?
...
I don't need Satanist to tell me Christians have major issues.


No, but when they do it's double fun.

Also, if you haven't sent $30 to J.R. "Bob" Dobbs, you're gonna fry with everyone else on this backward dungball of a planet.
 
2017-11-15 03:46:35 AM  

electricjebus: Ya know, if god is OK with pedophiles, maybe we've judged the Devil too harshly.


Perhaps we have.
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2017-11-15 04:09:58 AM  

orbister: [i.imgur.com image 753x86]
Showing mercy implies that a wrongful act has been committed. What wrongful act does Ed think an abused child has committed?


Although typically (these days) used in reference to wrong-doers, mercy means "compassion" and can be applied to victims or the afflicted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_o​f​_mercy
 
2017-11-15 04:45:12 AM  
duncan_bayne:   https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavre​n​tiy_Beria

Sure you don't mean Felix Dzerzhinsky?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix​_​Dzerzhinsky
 
2017-11-15 04:45:56 AM  
The Catholic Church says they're wrong.
It's the children's fault.
 
2017-11-15 04:56:14 AM  

Catlenfell: The Catholic Church says they're wrong.
It's the children's fault.


Obviously.  They shoudln't be dressing all sexy in their Garanimals and their Oshkosh.

/"B'gosh" indeed
 
2017-11-15 05:04:01 AM  

2wolves: duncan_bayne:   https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavren​tiy_Beria

Sure you don't mean Felix Dzerzhinsky?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_​Dzerzhinsky


No. I specifically mentioned Beria because of his rapiness.
 
2017-11-15 05:59:58 AM  

orbister: [i.imgur.com image 753x86]
Showing mercy implies that a wrongful act has been committed. What wrongful act does Ed think an abused child has committed?


For years, the default response to a young person reporting anything about an elder, be it sexual in nature or not, was to disbelieve the younger, and then explain away whatever the elder was doing.  Embezzlers always seem to be the most buttoned up, staid and dull individuals, and abusers seems very concerned and kind until the door closes out the world.  So, congregations, as well as the rest of society have to be reminded that not all children lie for attention.

Many religious folks have a serious problem with judging, that was even noted in biblical accounts, to the point that Jesus, on at least two occasions that spring to mind, had to comment on.  Reminding everyone to not automatically dispute or reject another person's perception or pain is the act of mercy being shown.  We Christians have a nasty habit of making idols of our leaders, putting them on a pedestal, and then using the pedestal to kill our wounded, less holy members of the flock.

I think the fact that mainline denominations are moving toward more diverse leadership, including women, gays, and other previously marginalized minority groups into leadership positions scares quite a few traditional folk, especially white men.  The ones most afraid of change, flee to the smaller, non-denominations, especially the Evangelical ones.  With less oversight, the blind following, and the conviction of superiority of position makes for a bad situation, which then becomes a perception of all Christians.  I know the Catholic church is a favorite whipping boy for the media, but I'm trying to locate more examples that are in the mainstream denominations considered to the left of the Catholics and Evangelicals.  Off to the Googles.
 
2017-11-15 06:08:41 AM  
They're not wrong. They're just assholes. But assholes are better than pedophiles and people that white knight for pedophiles, so there is that.
 
2017-11-15 06:15:47 AM  

cherryl taggart: We Christians have a nasty habit of making idols of our leaders, putting them on a pedestal, and then using the pedestal to kill our wounded, less holy members of the flock.


that's what happens when you refer to your followers as 'sheep' and your leaders as 'shepherds'.  this does not encourage independent thought or individuality and tends to open people up to abuse and fraud.
 
2017-11-15 06:22:25 AM  

mcmnky: What did the Church of Satan have to do with it?

1. The idea of prolonged chastity by teenage girls is an entirely recent concept to Christians. Like aged in decades recent. Traditionally the solution to "no sex before marriage" was not holding aspirin between your knees, it was getting married very young.

2. Christians are messed up in the head. Local paper ran an editorial a few years back by a prominent Christian figure. He detailed the history of confession and sexual abuse by priests.

Confession started as a public practice. Folks would confess their sins and receive forgiveness in front of their congregation. It was when confession became a private ritual that priests had an opportunity to be alone with women and the first wave of church sex scandals began.

Confessions also started as something only adults did. When children started participating in private confessions, that's when priests started having significant time alone with children, and the sex scandals spread.

Somehow the point of this editorial was not that you should never allow yourself to be alone with a priest, but actually that the solution was somehow more confession.

I don't need Satanist to tell me Christians have major issues.


Are they wrong though?
 
2017-11-15 06:24:33 AM  
If I ever decided to be religious again, I'd probably pick Satanism.
 
2017-11-15 06:53:19 AM  

bacchanalias and consequences: I mean, they do sort of have a point... Catholics to Evangelicals, just waiting for the Protestants and Eastern Orthodox and you've got the whole set.


Evangelicals are Protestant. Plus you've got Coptics, Syriacs, Armenian Orthodox, Maronites, and others.
 
2017-11-15 06:56:58 AM  

fragMasterFlash: There are many brands of satanists. The church of Satan bunch, as I understand it, don't really worship satan as much as they want others to worship them as if they themselves are satan. So basically all I am saying is that they aren't satanists so much as garden variety republicans..


American Satanism is just hedonism wrapped up in ritual theatrics. Scandinavian Satanists burn down churches and murder people.
 
2017-11-15 07:16:20 AM  
Intentional or not; I've always thought this great obscure track sums up true satanism better than I ever could

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2017-11-15 07:20:58 AM  
I have a feeling that God and Satan swapped places to see if anyone noticed.
Doesn't seem like most of us noticed.
 
2017-11-15 07:23:29 AM  

Weaver95: why does everyone always assume there is only one god? stop believing the christian propaganda


Christians believe in a pantheon of gods. God, Jesus, Satan, angels, saints - it's a gang of supernatural beings as much as any other polytheism.

The idea that Christianity is monotheistic is laughable.
 
2017-11-15 07:45:08 AM  

Jake Havechek: If I ever decided to be religious again, I'd probably pick Satanism.


If I were starting over and picking a religion, I would definitely consider the Church of Satanism. Some other contenders which look like fun and teach some philosophies which I like are Zoroastrianism, Sufism, Toasism, and Jedism (light side because I'm a big dumb white knight at heart). Religions are fun to research when you get away from the big five.
 
2017-11-15 07:55:07 AM  

jaytkay: Weaver95: why does everyone always assume there is only one god? stop believing the christian propaganda

Christians believe in a pantheon of gods. God, Jesus, Satan, angels, saints - it's a gang of supernatural beings as much as any other polytheism.

The idea that Christianity is monotheistic is laughable.


The idea that you're commenting on something you know nothing about is what's laughable. Satan, angels, and saints aren't considered gods, they're considered created beings that will all be rewarded or punished. Jesus is considered one aspect of God. If you look at Hinduism, you'll notice that they have several gods, but even one of them can have many aspects (persons, incarnations, avatars, whatever you want to call them). Vishnu/Rama/Krishna etc. They're not considered separate gods.
 
2017-11-15 07:57:49 AM  

Mister Buttons: Can we quit pretending they are a "Moral Majority" yet?

My liver can only take so much.

/And they would back Ted Bundy II if anything negative came to light after his name was on the ballot.
//My agnostic ass knows not to do these things, because I'm a decent person.
///But your party and religion are running to defend his actions.


Smoke weed and you won't have that problem.

No hangovers, either.
 
2017-11-15 08:04:11 AM  

Weaver95: electricjebus: Ya know, if god is OK with pedophiles, maybe we've judged the Devil too harshly.

why does everyone always assume there is only one god?  stop believing the christian propaganda and explore faith and religion on your OWN terms.  ignore the christians until you figure it out for yourself.  then go ask 'em for their opinions....just don't forget that all anyone has is 'opinions' on religion.  NONE of it is anything more than opinion.


I wonder if there will ever be a fact-based religion? Is that a contradiction in terms? if not, what would it entail?
 
2017-11-15 08:05:06 AM  

Abacus9: Satan, angels, and saints aren't considered gods, they're considered created beings


Multiple supernatural beings, watching over Earth, influencing events - that is polytheism. I know it's difficult to look objectively at the religion you were steeped in from birth. But if you step back and take an honest look, it's obvious.
 
2017-11-15 08:11:23 AM  

sithon: Thanks assholes. That's just going to make them dig in further.


They're publicly on the record as fine with pedophilia...I'm not sure how much further they can dig.
 
2017-11-15 08:12:13 AM  
There's different kinds of Satanism.  Most people think of Anton LeVay, but he was only one brand of it.
 
2017-11-15 08:12:26 AM  

Harlee: I wonder if there will ever be a fact-based religion?


Sure...Scientology.  It's a known fact that is was created to fleece rubes.

The interesting thing is, the rubes don't care.
 
2017-11-15 08:15:06 AM  

Abacus9: Satan, angels, and saints aren't considered gods, they're considered created beings that will all be rewarded or punished. Jesus is considered one aspect of God. If you look at Hinduism, you'll notice that they have several gods, but even one of them can have many aspects (persons, incarnations, avatars, whatever you want to call them). Vishnu/Rama/Krishna etc. They're not considered separate gods.


That's one (mainstream) interpretation.  You've really never met a Christian who believed in, and prayed to, angels?  Or thought of Jesus as a discrete entity?

I'm agnostic, and I've met Christians who understand less about their own religion than I do...
 
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