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5 days ago  
They predict that, as seen currently in vegans, there would be an increase in deficiencies of key nutrients such as calcium, vitamins A and B12, and some fatty acids.

Not to mention the increased louse population from all the unwashed neckbeards.
 
5 days ago  
Mmm mmm, are these artisanal tofu schnitzels the shiat?
 
5 days ago  
The side dishes of potatoes or mixed veggies is a good enough vegan subtext to the steaks or roasts I enjoy.
 
5 days ago  
Giant Sanctimonious Douche is my PAC name.
 
5 days ago  

RJReves: Giant Sanctimonious Douche is my PAC name.


On the bright side, with that clever name you can support literally every candidate.
 
5 days ago  
Would going vegan give me psychic powers?
 
5 days ago  
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5 days ago  

texdent: Would going vegan give me psychic powers?


You spelt psychotic wrong.
 
5 days ago  
That depends, are all the new vegans going to approve of the wholesale slaughter of millions of livestock animals?
 
5 days ago  
Pardon me, I meant billions. There are a whole lot of chickens
 
5 days ago  
More meat for me!
 
5 days ago  
We would all die out. Not just because we would lack essential nutrients that we, as omnivores, require, but mostly because we would lose the will to live, lie down on our couch, and pray for the sweet embrace of death.
 
5 days ago  
Ugh.  No.  We could do with only grazing cattle on range land unsuitable for anything else, and switching to species that don't pull the roots up as they graze, and getting rid of those concentration camp feed lots, but eliminating animal products entirely is just silliness.  We've gone too far in one extreme, but the answer to that isn't to go as far as possible in the other extreme.
 
5 days ago  
Im
 
5 days ago  
I'm into fasting, 7-21 days, but I will devour meat. If we stop eating meat they stop raising meat. Then where would you get their many byproducts.
 
5 days ago  

wildcardjack: I'm into fasting, 7-21 days, but I will devour meat. If we stop eating meat they stop raising meat. Then where would you get their many byproducts.


Vegans.
 
5 days ago  
If they can get cultured meat to taste like the real thing, and get it down to a competitive price, then maybe America will ditch most of the livestock.  But we're a long ways from that happening.
 
5 days ago  

electricjebus: If they can get cultured meat to taste like the real thing, and get it down to a competitive price, then maybe America will ditch most of the livestock.  But we're a long ways from that happening.


It's not just taste that matters.  Appearance, smell, and texture count for quite a lot.  Would you enjoy your steak if it had the look and texture of a purple pudding and smelled like broccoli?  I doubt it.
 
5 days ago  

OgreMagi: electricjebus: If they can get cultured meat to taste like the real thing, and get it down to a competitive price, then maybe America will ditch most of the livestock.  But we're a long ways from that happening.

It's not just taste that matters.  Appearance, smell, and texture count for quite a lot.  Would you enjoy your steak if it had the look and texture of a purple pudding and smelled like broccoli?  I doubt it.


What would cultured ribs look like?
 
5 days ago  

OgreMagi: It's not just taste that matters.  Appearance, smell, and texture count for quite a lot.  Would you enjoy your steak if it had the look and texture of a purple pudding and smelled like broccoli?  I doubt it.


Like I said, we're a long ways away... I'm thinking maybe this time next century.
 
5 days ago  
Smoking GNU:
What would cultured ribs look like?

As of now, they'd be boneless and fat free... so some sort of unholy abomination.

They're still working on getting impossibly lean hamburgers right.
 
5 days ago  

electricjebus: OgreMagi: It's not just taste that matters.  Appearance, smell, and texture count for quite a lot.  Would you enjoy your steak if it had the look and texture of a purple pudding and smelled like broccoli?  I doubt it.

Like I said, we're a long ways away... I'm thinking maybe this time next century.


Sounds about right.  I should be long dead by then, so I won't have to suffer through the change.
 
5 days ago  
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
 
5 days ago  

RJReves: [pmslweb.com image 450x728]

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5 days ago  

Smoking GNU: What would cultured ribs look like?


I assume like boneless ribs, except garnished with a top hat and monocle.
 
5 days ago  

OgreMagi: Sounds about right.  I should be long dead by then, so I won't have to suffer through the change.


Not me, I'm planning on having my consciousness downloaded onto a computer *not a super computer either, I figure a TI-83 is probably up to the task*... But I guess I won't be eating them either.
 
5 days ago  

Driver: The side dishes of potatoes or mixed veggies is a good enough vegan subtext to the steaks or roasts I enjoy.


Ooohhhh, yeah. A tray of assorted roasted potatoes, sweet potatoes, pumpkin, onion, garlic, capsicum, carrots, and whole garlic, drizzled drenched in olive oil and sprinkled with fresh rosemary..........

I'll be in my bunk kitchen.
 
5 days ago  
I can't remember the last time I read a 'Science' story of such epic uselessness. Every conclusion was based on an assumption - and their assumptions were pants on head stupid.

Let's start with https://www.nationalgeographic.c​om/mag​azine/2017/09/holland-agriculture-sust​ainable-farming/ in regard to their clueless fertilizer assumption.

As water becomes an issue (for example the Ogallala Aquifer is not bottomless), there will be a shift in protein consumption because of the costs incurred; more rabbits and less sawdust infused burgers.

Roughly 40% of all corn grown in the US goes to ethanol production - a heavily subsidized program by the government. One way or another, this is going to change in the next 40 years, whether increasing demands for ever more fertilizer and water as the midwest adjusts to the new 'normal' (there will be an increased frequency in drought conditions), or as more electric vehicles are produced.

Whatever happens, it certainly won't be because the populace did/didn't become vegan to save the world.

/rabbit paella is tasty.
 
5 days ago  

electricjebus: OgreMagi: Sounds about right.  I should be long dead by then, so I won't have to suffer through the change.

Not me, I'm planning on having my consciousness downloaded onto a computer *not a super computer either, I figure a TI-83 is probably up to the task*... But I guess I won't be eating them either.


We'll program you to say "What?" and "Where's the tea?"  That should cover it.
 
5 days ago  

Smoking GNU: OgreMagi: electricjebus: If they can get cultured meat to taste like the real thing, and get it down to a competitive price, then maybe America will ditch most of the livestock.  But we're a long ways from that happening.

It's not just taste that matters.  Appearance, smell, and texture count for quite a lot.  Would you enjoy your steak if it had the look and texture of a purple pudding and smelled like broccoli?  I doubt it.

What would cultured ribs look like?


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5 days ago  

OgreMagi: electricjebus: OgreMagi: Sounds about right.  I should be long dead by then, so I won't have to suffer through the change.

Not me, I'm planning on having my consciousness downloaded onto a computer *not a super computer either, I figure a TI-83 is probably up to the task*... But I guess I won't be eating them either.

We'll program you to say "What?" and "Where's the tea?"  That should cover it.


Lunar lander?
 
5 days ago  

MechaPyx: Smoking GNU: OgreMagi: electricjebus: If they can get cultured meat to taste like the real thing, and get it down to a competitive price, then maybe America will ditch most of the livestock.  But we're a long ways from that happening.

It's not just taste that matters.  Appearance, smell, and texture count for quite a lot.  Would you enjoy your steak if it had the look and texture of a purple pudding and smelled like broccoli?  I doubt it.

What would cultured ribs look like?

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fark that, if it ain't got rib bones it ain't ribs.
 
5 days ago  

OgreMagi: We'll program you to say "What?" and "Where's the tea beer?"  That should cover it.


My final request.
 
5 days ago  

Tired_of_the_BS: I can't remember the last time I read a 'Science' story of such epic uselessness. Every conclusion was based on an assumption - and their assumptions were pants on head stupid.

Let's start with https://www.nationalgeographic.co​m/magazine/2017/09/holland-agriculture​-sustainable-farming/ in regard to their clueless fertilizer assumption.

As water becomes an issue (for example the Ogallala Aquifer is not bottomless), there will be a shift in protein consumption because of the costs incurred; more rabbits and less sawdust infused burgers.

Roughly 40% of all corn grown in the US goes to ethanol production - a heavily subsidized program by the government. One way or another, this is going to change in the next 40 years, whether increasing demands for ever more fertilizer and water as the midwest adjusts to the new 'normal' (there will be an increased frequency in drought conditions), or as more electric vehicles are produced.

Whatever happens, it certainly won't be because the populace did/didn't become vegan to save the world.

/rabbit paella is tasty.


Don't forget goats!  They keep low density range land from becoming overgrown with woody bushes and weeds because they'll eat things that cattle won't.
 
4 days ago  
Ifl fake science and click bait.

Used to love these guys. But they went bad fast.
 
4 days ago  
well we havent evolved enough to be grazers if we even go that way an old saying "i didnt claw, kill, devour my way to the top of the food chain  just to chew cud and moo as to the vegans you be better off and benifit more from craming the grass in the other end
 
4 days ago  
I, for one, welcome the idea.  I think it's healthier, better for the planet, and...oh - what's that?  no more bacon?...   As I was saying, you can just fark right off...
 
4 days ago  
CSB Every week I meet with a good old boy Texan whose doctor scared the sh*t out of him about a year ago with a prediction of how many weeks he had left.  He still keeps the obligatory Longhorn cattle on his ranch, the Texas ag land tax deduction, but when when he first described what the doctor listed what he could eat -- no meat, no cheese, no eggs, no fish, etc.  

We all said "Bubba, you know you're a vegan now?"

He's very quietly disciplined.  He looks better and weighs much less. And is very much alive.  Looks way better than blotchy, flabby Bannon or Sheldon Adelman.

He's actually my token Republican elected official friend.  And the last person you'd pick out of a line up as being vegan.
 
4 days ago  
We rely on animals just not for food and cloths but also for medicine.  Insulin is made from the pancreas of slaughtered cows, and even if we all stopped eating meat and wearing leather, we would still have to slaughter millions of animals to have insulin.  The only difference is that insulin would now be even more expensive, and we would be wasting a lot of good beef stock that we could be eating.

That's just insulin, there are thousands of other drugs that depend on hormones and  tissues harvested from slaughtered animals, and no we could not synthesize other solutions.
 
4 days ago  

Smoking GNU: OgreMagi: electricjebus: If they can get cultured meat to taste like the real thing, and get it down to a competitive price, then maybe America will ditch most of the livestock.  But we're a long ways from that happening.

It's not just taste that matters.  Appearance, smell, and texture count for quite a lot.  Would you enjoy your steak if it had the look and texture of a purple pudding and smelled like broccoli?  I doubt it.

What would cultured ribs look like?


They would look like regular ribs, but wearing a top hat.
 
4 days ago  

winedrinkingman: We rely on animals just not for food and cloths but also for medicine.  Insulin is made from the pancreas of slaughtered cows, and even if we all stopped eating meat and wearing leather, we would still have to slaughter millions of animals to have insulin.  The only difference is that insulin would now be even more expensive, and we would be wasting a lot of good beef stock that we could be eating.

That's just insulin, there are thousands of other drugs that depend on hormones and  tissues harvested from slaughtered animals, and no we could not synthesize other solutions.


I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but most insulin is not from animal sources anymore. It's recombinant human insulin produced in, I think, yeast. Leather, otoh...
 
4 days ago  

Smoking GNU: OgreMagi: electricjebus: If they can get cultured meat to taste like the real thing, and get it down to a competitive price, then maybe America will ditch most of the livestock.  But we're a long ways from that happening.

It's not just taste that matters.  Appearance, smell, and texture count for quite a lot.  Would you enjoy your steak if it had the look and texture of a purple pudding and smelled like broccoli?  I doubt it.

What would cultured ribs look like?


When they get it right, like this:
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4 days ago  

winedrinkingman: We rely on animals just not for food and cloths but also for medicine.  Insulin is made from the pancreas of slaughtered cows, and even if we all stopped eating meat and wearing leather, we would still have to slaughter millions of animals to have insulin.  The only difference is that insulin would now be even more expensive, and we would be wasting a lot of good beef stock that we could be eating.

That's just insulin, there are thousands of other drugs that depend on hormones and  tissues harvested from slaughtered animals, and no we could not synthesize other solutions.


Pretty sure Insulin is now made by bacteria expressing mammalian genes (using recombined DNA) in gigantic vats.
But yes, animals can be used for more than just the meat.
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  
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4 days ago  

Smoking GNU: OgreMagi: electricjebus: If they can get cultured meat to taste like the real thing, and get it down to a competitive price, then maybe America will ditch most of the livestock.  But we're a long ways from that happening.

It's not just taste that matters.  Appearance, smell, and texture count for quite a lot.  Would you enjoy your steak if it had the look and texture of a purple pudding and smelled like broccoli?  I doubt it.

What would cultured ribs look like?


img.fark.netView Full Size
 
4 days ago  

winedrinkingman: We rely on animals just not for food and cloths but also for medicine.  Insulin is made from the pancreas of slaughtered cows, and even if we all stopped eating meat and wearing leather, we would still have to slaughter millions of animals to have insulin.  The only difference is that insulin would now be even more expensive, and we would be wasting a lot of good beef stock that we could be eating.

That's just insulin, there are thousands of other drugs that depend on hormones and  tissues harvested from slaughtered animals, and no we could not synthesize other solutions.


Finally, a use for murderers & rapists! They should also be used for medical research instead of animals.
 
4 days ago  
Saving the world not clear-cut, straight-forward and simple? Well, never mind then.

Donald J. Trump comments: "Who knew that saving the world would be harder than hosting a fakey game show and playing golf every weekend?"
 
4 days ago  
Ironically, the greenest way to get meat is with a fishing rod, a rifle or shot-gun (yes, bow and arrows and traps are also good, especially natural traps, not made with metal). Hunting is way lower impact than agriculture or industry. You don't even have to carry a cellphone. Although perhaps you probably should.

But lead shot is bad. Even if it is not legally required, you would be good and wise to use steel shot instead of lead. Lead contaminates the environment. Waterfowl consume it (like many birds, they use tiny stones to help grind their food--a trait they share with their cousins, the bird-like dinosaurs). The result is lead-poisoning, which is also ironic if you eat the poisoned waterfowl or their eggs.

Agriculture is just as bad and even worse than fishing, hunting, and herding. Cattle and other livestock partially replace natural herbivores, although they often do more damage to the natural environment, breaking the crust on dry soils, and over-grazing without natural predation to control herds. Vegetarians and vegans gloss over the costs of an all-plant diet, while the propagandists for the other political positions do as much or worse.

Both sides are bad, and I assume some of them are good people. Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!

Moderation in all things continues to be a good rule of thumb, but no panacea.

As James Lovelock puts it, the key lesson humans have to learn is that what matters is not any particular species, even humans, but the health and longevity of Gaia, the system of all systems, biological and geological.

Fark with Mother Nature and she will kill you with EXTREME weather and prejudice. She doesn't care about individuals any more than evolution does. And she does even care about species and biomes and ecologies. They are just details. The living system is what counts, for that is Gaia.

And no man is an island, entire of himself. Nor any species or habitat. They all work together to keep the Earth inhabitable and anything you do to fark with that is species suicide unless you are ready, willing and able to take over the job of being the Mother Goddess. And we are not.

Estimates of the total "services" rendered by Nature show that they are easily several times the size of the entire global (human) ecology or economy of economies.

I always say that we need to learn that economics is merely a special sub-set of ecology, a human ecology. It is not unnatural. On the contrary, any sentient species is likely to evolve their own ecologies. The domestication of plants and animals was wholely natural to humans as their populations out-grew their food supply. Even ants and bees developed things like agriculture, architecture and society. They are truly social insects. Man is a pseudo-social mammal. Only the naked mole rat is truly social in the biological sense.
 
4 days ago  
Not worry. Progtards intend to kill all of you, so it doesn't matter
 
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