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(Business Insider)   By purchasing Boeing 787s, Emirates Airlines may have killed the A380 program   ( amp.businessinsider.com) divider line
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5 days ago  
That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.
 
5 days ago  

WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.


I always love this. When you're on the inside, how can you even tell the difference in the airframe.
 
5 days ago  

Gubbo: WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.

I always love this. When you're on the inside, how can you even tell the difference in the airframe.


Are we talking about planes?  Or fat chicks?

/ bad joke
// heyoooooo
/// **fart**
 
5 days ago  

elkboy: Gubbo: WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.

I always love this. When you're on the inside, how can you even tell the difference in the airframe.

Are we talking about planes?  Or fat chicks?

/ bad joke
// heyoooooo
/// **fart**


bazinga.
 
5 days ago  

Gubbo: WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.

I always love this. When you're on the inside, how can you even tell the difference in the airframe.


The Screaming
 
5 days ago  

optikeye: Gubbo: WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.

I always love this. When you're on the inside, how can you even tell the difference in the airframe.

The Screaming


elkboy: Are we talking about planes?  Or fat chicks?

 
5 days ago  
 
5 days ago  

lindseyp: I wouldn't be so sure about that.


I notice that didn't specify *which* Airbus - 350 or 380.
 
5 days ago  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: lindseyp: I wouldn't be so sure about that.

I notice that didn't specify *which* Airbus - 350 or 380.


Fair point.
 
5 days ago  

Gubbo: WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.

I always love this. When you're on the inside, how can you even tell the difference in the airframe.


I would think that the A380 being a double-decker is kind of distinct.
 
5 days ago  
Given the problems that the A380 has caused with regards to wake turbulence, airlines moving away from it is probably a good thing.
 
5 days ago  

Arkanaut: Given the problems that the A380 has caused with regards to wake turbulence, airlines moving away from it is probably a good thing.


The only problem it really caused was when a very light business jet passed 1000 feet below one heading in the opposite direction.

Wake turbulence is manageable, and planes are only getting heavier so it's not a problem that's going to be disappearing any time soon.
 
4 days ago  
Obviously once every major American airport becomes slot-controlled thanks to NIMBYism, US carriers are going to regret not going in on the A38hahahahaha they don't regret it at all.

/have yet to fly on a 787
//or A380 for that matter.
 
4 days ago  

tiiger: Arkanaut: Given the problems that the A380 has caused with regards to wake turbulence, airlines moving away from it is probably a good thing.

The only problem it really caused was when a very light business jet passed 1000 feet below one heading in the opposite direction.

Wake turbulence is manageable, and planes are only getting heavier so it's not a problem that's going to be disappearing any time soon.


The A380 is an absolute nightmare for airports. They require more separation for wake turbulence and at most airports severely restrict the operation when moving on the ground.

Nevermind they seem to have a habit of uncontained engine failures.

There's a reason that the primary operators of the type are the ones that don't need to make money off of the tickets.
 
4 days ago  
Wouldn't it be hilarious if, whoever had bought them, went into the wrong tent. Well I'll tell ya.
 
4 days ago  

WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.


People like you crack me up....i'd wager no one has ever asked when booking a flight 'is this a Boeing or an Airbus? Oh it's an airbus you say...oh well could you find me a boeing at a similar time, no i don't mind if I have to take another plane to get to a different airport'

'but sir...we don't actually have that information on our sys...'
 
4 days ago  

moel: WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.

People like you crack me up....i'd wager no one has ever asked when booking a flight 'is this a Boeing or an Airbus? Oh it's an airbus you say...oh well could you find me a boeing at a similar time, no i don't mind if I have to take another plane to get to a different airport'

'but sir...we don't actually have that information on our sys...'


I always check what type of plane is operating the flight before I book it.
 
4 days ago  

flucto: moel: WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.

People like you crack me up....i'd wager no one has ever asked when booking a flight 'is this a Boeing or an Airbus? Oh it's an airbus you say...oh well could you find me a boeing at a similar time, no i don't mind if I have to take another plane to get to a different airport'

'but sir...we don't actually have that information on our sys...'

I always check what type of plane is operating the flight before I book it.


You have waaaaaayyyyy too much time on your hands. Why should it even matter? It's got wings and a couple of engines...that's enough for anybody.
 
4 days ago  

moel: flucto: moel: WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.

People like you crack me up....i'd wager no one has ever asked when booking a flight 'is this a Boeing or an Airbus? Oh it's an airbus you say...oh well could you find me a boeing at a similar time, no i don't mind if I have to take another plane to get to a different airport'

'but sir...we don't actually have that information on our sys...'

I always check what type of plane is operating the flight before I book it.

You have waaaaaayyyyy too much time on your hands. Why should it even matter? It's got wings and a couple of engines...that's enough for anybody.


You are charmingly naive. If I'm going from India to New York on Etihad I want to make damn sure the seat is on the A380 and not the 777s they got from Kingfisher. If I'm going to New York to Seattle on American I want to make sure it's one of the new 737s with the proper first class seats and not the old US Airways seats. If I'm going to Melbourne from Singapore I want to make sure it's not the SIA 777 because the A380 is the same price and it comes with the top secret "Suites" lounge access and way better champagne.

All it takes is a 2 second hover over the flight details. No "time" required.
 
4 days ago  

moel: flucto: moel: WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.

People like you crack me up....i'd wager no one has ever asked when booking a flight 'is this a Boeing or an Airbus? Oh it's an airbus you say...oh well could you find me a boeing at a similar time, no i don't mind if I have to take another plane to get to a different airport'

'but sir...we don't actually have that information on our sys...'

I always check what type of plane is operating the flight before I book it.

You have waaaaaayyyyy too much time on your hands. Why should it even matter? It's got wings and a couple of engines...that's enough for anybody.


When I fly by myself, say for work, I don't care. When I fly with Mrs. Baller and our 5 kids, we (and the other passengers) don't want a leg on a three-across Embraer or the like.

/realistically all 7 of us can only fly low cost carriers anyway and they pretty much only do 6 across
 
4 days ago  

elkboy: Gubbo: WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.

I always love this. When you're on the inside, how can you even tell the difference in the airframe.

Are we talking about planes?  Or fat chicks?

/ bad joke
// heyoooooo
/// **fart**


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4 days ago  
If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.
 
4 days ago  

moel: WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.

People like you crack me up....i'd wager no one has ever asked when booking a flight 'is this a Boeing or an Airbus? Oh it's an airbus you say...oh well could you find me a boeing at a similar time, no i don't mind if I have to take another plane to get to a different airport'

'but sir...we don't actually have that information on our sys...'


My brother is a terrible flyer and picks his flights based on what plane it is. Apparently some are way more stable and quiet. The planes used are on the website because you can pick your seats ahead of time.
 
4 days ago  

moel: flucto: moel: WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.

People like you crack me up....i'd wager no one has ever asked when booking a flight 'is this a Boeing or an Airbus? Oh it's an airbus you say...oh well could you find me a boeing at a similar time, no i don't mind if I have to take another plane to get to a different airport'

'but sir...we don't actually have that information on our sys...'

I always check what type of plane is operating the flight before I book it.

You have waaaaaayyyyy too much time on your hands. Why should it even matter? It's got wings and a couple of engines...that's enough for anybody.


For my part it's because I study aviation and maritime disasters as a occupation, and model their causes.

And Airbus made several very, very, questionable decisions when designing their fly-by-wire systems.
 
4 days ago  
"Airport congestion around the world is getting worse, and up-gauging aircraft is a solution for this."

Except most people don't live conveniently close to an airport that can handle the A380 and it's not cost effective to fly the A380 into smaller regional airports. The real solution to airport congestion that Boeing has hit on is to fly smaller planes into smaller airports while filling the plane every time.
 
4 days ago  

Evil Twin Skippy: moel: flucto: moel: WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.

People like you crack me up....i'd wager no one has ever asked when booking a flight 'is this a Boeing or an Airbus? Oh it's an airbus you say...oh well could you find me a boeing at a similar time, no i don't mind if I have to take another plane to get to a different airport'

'but sir...we don't actually have that information on our sys...'

I always check what type of plane is operating the flight before I book it.

You have waaaaaayyyyy too much time on your hands. Why should it even matter? It's got wings and a couple of engines...that's enough for anybody.

For my part it's because I study aviation and maritime disasters as a occupation, and model their causes.

And Airbus made several very, very, questionable decisions when designing their fly-by-wire systems.


So questionable that the are licensed and bought in huge quantities.
 
4 days ago  

Joe Satin: If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.


A solid contribution. Any reasons. Or do you just like slogans.
 
4 days ago  

moel: flucto: moel: WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.

People like you crack me up....i'd wager no one has ever asked when booking a flight 'is this a Boeing or an Airbus? Oh it's an airbus you say...oh well could you find me a boeing at a similar time, no i don't mind if I have to take another plane to get to a different airport'

'but sir...we don't actually have that information on our sys...'

I always check what type of plane is operating the flight before I book it.

You have waaaaaayyyyy too much time on your hands. Why should it even matter? It's got wings and a couple of engines...that's enough for anybody.


I'll check, out of curiosity. But I'm picking the flight that best matches how much I want to pay (the least possible) and when I want to travel.
 
4 days ago  

Gubbo: Evil Twin Skippy: moel: flucto: moel: WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.

People like you crack me up....i'd wager no one has ever asked when booking a flight 'is this a Boeing or an Airbus? Oh it's an airbus you say...oh well could you find me a boeing at a similar time, no i don't mind if I have to take another plane to get to a different airport'

'but sir...we don't actually have that information on our sys...'

I always check what type of plane is operating the flight before I book it.

You have waaaaaayyyyy too much time on your hands. Why should it even matter? It's got wings and a couple of engines...that's enough for anybody.

For my part it's because I study aviation and maritime disasters as a occupation, and model their causes.

And Airbus made several very, very, questionable decisions when designing their fly-by-wire systems.

So questionable that the are licensed and bought in huge quantities.


No. Questionable as in have caused accidents that led to the loss of the aircraft and/or hundreds of lives. Boeing disasters generally involve maintenance issues compounded with failing to set the aircraft up properly during checklists, and improper pilot training.

Airbus disasters tend to be "everything was perfect ... until the fly by wire decided to go into a mode that radically changed how the flight controls responded". Many responses to the aircraft leaving the control envelope are "let go of the controls". Except if the airspeed indicator farks up, then the autopilot completely leaves you on your own and you have to manually keep the plane in level flight.

It's not even like you can correct this all with pilot training. The Airbus system is shiatty, inconsistent, and has killed people.

To be fair, it did shine when Sully needed to put an unpowered plane down on the Hudson. The fly-by-wire helped keep the plane in level flight up until it hit the water, and that would have been near impossible without.

But other cases like Aeroflot 593, there is no excuse why only part of the flight control system shut down.
 
4 days ago  

Evil Twin Skippy: Gubbo: Evil Twin Skippy: moel: flucto: moel: WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.

People like you crack me up....i'd wager no one has ever asked when booking a flight 'is this a Boeing or an Airbus? Oh it's an airbus you say...oh well could you find me a boeing at a similar time, no i don't mind if I have to take another plane to get to a different airport'

'but sir...we don't actually have that information on our sys...'

I always check what type of plane is operating the flight before I book it.

You have waaaaaayyyyy too much time on your hands. Why should it even matter? It's got wings and a couple of engines...that's enough for anybody.

For my part it's because I study aviation and maritime disasters as a occupation, and model their causes.

And Airbus made several very, very, questionable decisions when designing their fly-by-wire systems.

So questionable that the are licensed and bought in huge quantities.

No. Questionable as in have caused accidents that led to the loss of the aircraft and/or hundreds of lives. Boeing disasters generally involve maintenance issues compounded with failing to set the aircraft up properly during checklists, and improper pilot training.

Airbus disasters tend to be "everything was perfect ... until the fly by wire decided to go into a mode that radically changed how the flight controls responded". Many responses to the aircraft leaving the control envelope are "let go of the controls". Except if the airspeed indicator farks up, then the autopilot completely leaves you on your own and you have to manually keep the plane in level flight.

It's not even like you can correct this all with pilot training. The Airbus system is shiatty, inconsistent, and has killed people.

To be fair, it did shine when Sully needed to put an unpowered plane down on the Hudson. The fly-by-wire helped keep the plane in level flight up until it hit the water, and that would have been near impossible without.

But other ...


So, I have a rule. I trust the people who spend billions of dollars on airframes and who shoulder the liability more than I trust experts on Fark. Not saying you're wrong. Just that obviously if what you say was widespread there would be 1) more crashes and 2) fewer Airbus products being sold
 
4 days ago  

Gubbo: Evil Twin Skippy: Gubbo: Evil Twin Skippy: moel: flucto: moel: WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.

People like you crack me up....i'd wager no one has ever asked when booking a flight 'is this a Boeing or an Airbus? Oh it's an airbus you say...oh well could you find me a boeing at a similar time, no i don't mind if I have to take another plane to get to a different airport'

'but sir...we don't actually have that information on our sys...'

I always check what type of plane is operating the flight before I book it.

You have waaaaaayyyyy too much time on your hands. Why should it even matter? It's got wings and a couple of engines...that's enough for anybody.

For my part it's because I study aviation and maritime disasters as a occupation, and model their causes.

And Airbus made several very, very, questionable decisions when designing their fly-by-wire systems.

So questionable that the are licensed and bought in huge quantities.

No. Questionable as in have caused accidents that led to the loss of the aircraft and/or hundreds of lives. Boeing disasters generally involve maintenance issues compounded with failing to set the aircraft up properly during checklists, and improper pilot training.

Airbus disasters tend to be "everything was perfect ... until the fly by wire decided to go into a mode that radically changed how the flight controls responded". Many responses to the aircraft leaving the control envelope are "let go of the controls". Except if the airspeed indicator farks up, then the autopilot completely leaves you on your own and you have to manually keep the plane in level flight.

It's not even like you can correct this all with pilot training. The Airbus system is shiatty, inconsistent, and has killed people.

To be fair, it did shine when Sully needed to put an unpowered plane down on the Hudson. The fly-by-wire helped keep the plane in level flight up until it hit the water, and that would have been near impossible without.

But other ...

So, I have a rule. I trust the people who spend billions of dollars on airframes and who shoulder the liability more than I trust experts on Fark. Not saying you're wrong. Just that obviously if what you say was widespread there would be 1) more crashes and 2) fewer Airbus products being sold


There are more crashes, and in point of fact there are fewer Airbus planes sold.
 
4 days ago  

themindiswatching: Obviously once every major American airport becomes slot-controlled thanks to NIMBYism, US carriers are going to regret not going in on the A38hahahahaha they don't regret it at all.

/have yet to fly on a 787
//or A380 for that matter.


Actually it is becoming more of a problem, as not just NIMBY but also growth, are causing problems. Expanding an airport is becoming less and less tenable. The problem of trying to get land, and people complaining, is becoming serious. This means more slot restrictions and gate restrictions.

While it probably won't save the Scarebus 380 versus the Boring 787, it probably will lead to bigger cattle cars (er, jets) sooner than later. It doesn't help that real estate developers and cities look at airport land and start rubbing one out at the thoughts of profits and tax base.
 
4 days ago  

Evil Twin Skippy: There are more crashes, and in point of fact there are fewer Airbus planes sold.


There are also fewer Boeings sold at the moment. It's a tough market out there at the moment.
 
4 days ago  

Gubbo: Evil Twin Skippy: There are more crashes, and in point of fact there are fewer Airbus planes sold.

There are also fewer Boeings sold at the moment. It's a tough market out there at the moment.


Boeing has 3,954 firm orders for the 737MAX from 63 customers.  They have delivered 34 so far.
 
4 days ago  

moel: WTFDYW: That's not a bad thing. Been on both. I'll  choose Boeing.

People like you crack me up....i'd wager no one has ever asked when booking a flight 'is this a Boeing or an Airbus? Oh it's an airbus you say...oh well could you find me a boeing at a similar time, no i don't mind if I have to take another plane to get to a different airport'

'but sir...we don't actually have that information on our sys...'


If it can ask you about seating, that information is obviously in the system.  If you've flow enough you can recognise the plane from the seating.
/flown once since 9/11, no idea about current systems.
 
4 days ago  

themindiswatching: Obviously once every major American airport becomes slot-controlled thanks to NIMBYism, US carriers are going to regret not going in on the A38hahahahaha they don't regret it at all.


US carriers would love having a product that is 100% sold out, 100% of the time, and not even their competition can add more slots. That's looting and pillaging grounds for them to raise prices on seats they know will sell in a captive market.
 
4 days ago  

moel: People like you crack me up....i'd wager no one has ever asked when booking a flight 'is this a Boeing or an Airbus? Oh it's an airbus you say...oh well could you find me a boeing at a similar time, no i don't mind if I have to take another plane to get to a different airport'

'but sir...we don't actually have that information on our sys...'


The site I use to book flights tells me the plane type that's used on that route.  Also, airlines know exactly what type of plane will be flying any given route months in advance.  Perhaps you were just ignorant of that fact.
 
4 days ago  

Baradium: Nevermind they seem to have a habit of uncontained engine failures.


Two isn't a habit. Not that one incident is acceptable, but it's still a rare occurrence given that both of them have been from different manufacturers (one Rolls Royce and one Engine Alliance).
 
4 days ago  
Been on the A380 once. It was very nice. However, boarding that many passengers was stupid and the flight was maybe 3/4 full. I think mid-250 is the sweet spot for wide-body. Boarding should never ever take over 45 minutes.
 
4 days ago  

Evil Twin Skippy: To be fair, it did shine when Sully needed to put an unpowered plane down on the Hudson. The fly-by-wire helped keep the plane in level flight up until it hit the water, and that would have been near impossible without.


That's funny, because Sully complained that he wanted a better angle for a water landing and the aircraft continually overrode his decisions and wouldn't let him use his considerable knowledge and experience to decide on the best action.
 
4 days ago  

madgonad: Been on the A380 once. It was very nice. However, boarding that many passengers was stupid and the flight was maybe 3/4 full. I think mid-250 is the sweet spot for wide-body. Boarding should never ever take over 45 minutes.


Don't get me started on boarding...

MOVE YOUR FAT ASS OUT OF THE GODDAMNED AISLE YOU FARKING ORCA FAT LARDASS

Sorry, that just kind of slipped out.
 
4 days ago  

mcreadyblue: Gubbo: Evil Twin Skippy: There are more crashes, and in point of fact there are fewer Airbus planes sold.

There are also fewer Boeings sold at the moment. It's a tough market out there at the moment.

Boeing has 3,954 firm orders for the 737MAX from 63 customers.  They have delivered 34 so far.


Airbus has 5,209 firm orders for the 320neo as of October 2017.
 
4 days ago  

themindiswatching: Obviously once every major American airport becomes slot-controlled thanks to NIMBYism, US carriers are going to regret not going in on the A38hahahahaha they don't regret it at all.

/have yet to fly on a 787
//or A380 for that matter.


Jokes on you. I've never flown ever. Closest I ever came was a business trip that got cancelled one week out, only to be told "congratulations, we're eliminating your job."
 
4 days ago  

mrmopar5287: Evil Twin Skippy: To be fair, it did shine when Sully needed to put an unpowered plane down on the Hudson. The fly-by-wire helped keep the plane in level flight up until it hit the water, and that would have been near impossible without.

That's funny, because Sully complained that he wanted a better angle for a water landing and the aircraft continually overrode his decisions and wouldn't let him use his considerable knowledge and experience to decide on the best action.


I was trying to throw airbus a bone, but if that's from Sully himself, so let it be shown in the record.
 
4 days ago  

mrmopar5287: mcreadyblue: Gubbo: Evil Twin Skippy: There are more crashes, and in point of fact there are fewer Airbus planes sold.

There are also fewer Boeings sold at the moment. It's a tough market out there at the moment.

Boeing has 3,954 firm orders for the 737MAX from 63 customers.  They have delivered 34 so far.

Airbus has 5,209 firm orders for the 320neo as of October 2017.


And only one of the two threw a stroppy because of a competitor and had the White House intervene. Then Airbus was clever and did a deal with the competitor. Oh the lols on that one.

Oh, and the time they threw a stroppy over not being awarded an Air Force contract.

/I don't care about either really
//wish the airlines would stop treating me like cattle
///just a little leg room, please
 
4 days ago  

Gubbo: And only one of the two threw a stroppy because of a competitor and had the White House intervene. Then Airbus was clever and did a deal with the competitor. Oh the lols on that one.

Oh, and the time they threw a stroppy over not being awarded an Air Force contract.


Boeing's claims about the Bombardier CSeries were total horseshiat, but their complaint about the KC-X were legitimate.
 
4 days ago  

Gubbo: madgonad: Been on the A380 once. It was very nice. However, boarding that many passengers was stupid and the flight was maybe 3/4 full. I think mid-250 is the sweet spot for wide-body. Boarding should never ever take over 45 minutes.

Don't get me started on boarding...

MOVE YOUR FAT ASS OUT OF THE GODDAMNED AISLE YOU FARKING ORCA FAT LARDASS

Sorry, that just kind of slipped out.


"And put your carry-on in the bin above your seat, not the first convenient spot!"

I felt that was the next sentence to slip out.
 
4 days ago  

Sin'sHero: Gubbo: madgonad: Been on the A380 once. It was very nice. However, boarding that many passengers was stupid and the flight was maybe 3/4 full. I think mid-250 is the sweet spot for wide-body. Boarding should never ever take over 45 minutes.

Don't get me started on boarding...

MOVE YOUR FAT ASS OUT OF THE GODDAMNED AISLE YOU FARKING ORCA FAT LARDASS

Sorry, that just kind of slipped out.

"And put your carry-on in the bin above your seat, not the first convenient spot!"

I felt that was the next sentence to slip out.


Oh, next was something about it if you can't lift your carry-on over your head then you shouldn't have it as carry on and I hope it falls on you and crushes you.

/I get testy trying to get to my seat
 
4 days ago  

moel: People like you crack me up....i'd wager no one has ever asked when booking a flight 'is this a Boeing or an Airbus? Oh it's an airbus you say...oh well could you find me a boeing at a similar time, no i don't mind if I have to take another plane to get to a different airport'


Those people absolutely exist. I am not saying I only fly Boeing, but if I was on Emirates between a 777 and A380, the business class on the Airbus is tons better. And I've chosen a route based on having a 787 before as well.
 
4 days ago  

Gig103: moel: People like you crack me up....i'd wager no one has ever asked when booking a flight 'is this a Boeing or an Airbus? Oh it's an airbus you say...oh well could you find me a boeing at a similar time, no i don't mind if I have to take another plane to get to a different airport'

Those people absolutely exist. I am not saying I only fly Boeing, but if I was on Emirates between a 777 and A380, the business class on the Airbus is tons better. And I've chosen a route based on having a 787 before as well.


That is entirely the airline though, mostly based on whichever is newer in service / most recently updated. Neither Airbus nor Boeing does the cabin layouts.
 
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