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5 days ago  
Thoughts, etc.
 
5 days ago  

John Buck 41: pedrop357: edmo: Mugato: Donald Trump's Latest Tweet: Mugato: Ferreira said he heard gunfire for over 20 minutes

20 minutes and only "at least" three dead? That's not only poor reporting that they can't accurately count corpses, that's poor mass shooting to get only three people in 20 minutes.

We're sorry that we don't have a good mass shooting for you today. Would you like a rain check?

I'm just tired of everyone shiatting themselves every time there's a shooting when there's nothing we can do about it. They're not going to change legislation, the cops are useless (one might have shot the last guy, kudos), so why keep up the same tired argument?

Because 16,000 people shouldn't have to die every year because you're "tired?"

Where do you get 16,000 people a year?

He's throwing suicides and ADs in.


Weird.  Suicides gin the number up to the 30k range.   I think he's adding non firearm homicides which are around 4500 last time I looked.
 
5 days ago  
You know what they say; The Tree of Liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of the innocent
 
5 days ago  

mcmnky: The people who protest in front of doctors offices and health clinics because somehow a woman getting healthcare = murder, why aren't they protesting in front of gun manufacturers and shops?

Oh, yeah, that's right. Because they're full of shiat.


Which gets to the very heart of the matter.  We will have gun control in the USA at the same time as abortion is outlawed.  Which is never.  America will not change regulations on either of them.  Arguing about guns or abortion on the internet is a waste of time.
 
5 days ago  

bluejeansonfire: Repeal the 2nd. Confiscate and ban. We're children who can't be trusted with our stupid little toys, so we need to take them all away.

I hope I see a gun-free United States in my lifetime. But I'm not stupid enough to hold my breath about that.

Fark guns.


Very realistic. Over 320 million guns in the USA and no telling how many billions of rounds and you want them all confiscated. Suuuure. Are we going to use unicorns to help us find ALL of the guns or perhaps the iPhone 12 will have a sensor for it?  Not to mention that a zip gun can be made in minutes with supplies from your local hardware store.
 
5 days ago  

Dimensio: HumanSVD: Dimensio: HumanSVD: Dimensio: Pinner: Gun violence. No such thing. They just sit there.
Let's address people violence.

If we can narc on people that assault people sexually, we should be able to drop a dime on people that have violent tendencies or are too aggressive (and happen to own guns)

Difficulty: evidence suggests that even when that does happen no one in authority does anything. See the Texas church shooter (known problems that should have disqualified him from firearm ownership that were never properly reported), the Naval Yard shooter (at least two previous arrests for negligent firearm discharges that resulted in no charges being filed) or the Virginia Tech shooter (improperly filed court records which would have prevented him from legally purchasing a firearm had they been properly filed).

But government should be the one I who can only have semi automatic firearms. You kniw, that same goverment that shiats on the 4th, and the same government whose police agents fark people over all the time.

Yes. Gun control is clearly what is needed.

I do not advocate prohibiting civilian ownership of semi-automatic firearms. In fact, I have stated opposition to any gun control proposal that involves outright prohibition of any currently available firearm model. I would want a path to legal ownership for any currently available firearm type, with the government having a burden to justify rejecting ownership (as is the case with shall-issue based permitting systems).

I also recognize, however, that some level of firearm restrictions can reduce rates of violent crime.

Yes, like Mexico, where guns are illegal. Unicorn's and rainbows all around.

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As if any single one of these weapons confiscated from Mexican cartels was not first bought using the gun show loophole and then smuggled over the border.


As if any single one of these weapons confiscated from Mexican cartels was not first bought using the gun show loophole and then smuggled over the border. during Operation Fast and Furious in which the Obama administration actively promoted illegal straw purchases and knowingly allowed weapons to be illegally transported to Mexico which were then used to kill countless people including border patrol agent Brian Terry.

FTFY.
 
5 days ago  

pedrop357: John Buck 41: pedrop357: edmo: Mugato: Donald Trump's Latest Tweet: Mugato: Ferreira said he heard gunfire for over 20 minutes

20 minutes and only "at least" three dead? That's not only poor reporting that they can't accurately count corpses, that's poor mass shooting to get only three people in 20 minutes.

We're sorry that we don't have a good mass shooting for you today. Would you like a rain check?

I'm just tired of everyone shiatting themselves every time there's a shooting when there's nothing we can do about it. They're not going to change legislation, the cops are useless (one might have shot the last guy, kudos), so why keep up the same tired argument?

Because 16,000 people shouldn't have to die every year because you're "tired?"

Where do you get 16,000 people a year?

He's throwing suicides and ADs in.

Weird.  Suicides gin the number up to the 30k range.   I think he's adding non firearm homicides which are around 4500 last time I looked.


Ok. I wasn't sure. Thanks.
 
5 days ago  
More innocent people die as the result of people driving drunk or under the influence than innocent people dying due to firearms and yet here we are trying to ban firearms. Last time I checked, alcohol hasn't saved anyone's life either. Here we have harmful substances with no redeemable health benefits that people become addicted to and that causes a cycle of crime, but we aren't banning them are we? Nope, quite the opposite.
 
5 days ago  

the money is in the banana stand: More innocent people die as the result of people driving drunk or under the influence than innocent people dying due to firearms and yet here we are trying to ban firearms. Last time I checked, alcohol hasn't saved anyone's life either. Here we have harmful substances with no redeemable health benefits that people become addicted to and that causes a cycle of crime, but we aren't banning them are we? Nope, quite the opposite.


more people die from malpractice.
we need to ban doctors
more people die from heart disease
we need to ban red meat and bacon.
more people die from cancer
we need to ban tobacco
 
5 days ago  

uttlc: Dimensio: HumanSVD: Dimensio: HumanSVD: Dimensio: Pinner: Gun violence. No such thing. They just sit there.
Let's address people violence.

If we can narc on people that assault people sexually, we should be able to drop a dime on people that have violent tendencies or are too aggressive (and happen to own guns)

Difficulty: evidence suggests that even when that does happen no one in authority does anything. See the Texas church shooter (known problems that should have disqualified him from firearm ownership that were never properly reported), the Naval Yard shooter (at least two previous arrests for negligent firearm discharges that resulted in no charges being filed) or the Virginia Tech shooter (improperly filed court records which would have prevented him from legally purchasing a firearm had they been properly filed).

But government should be the one I who can only have semi automatic firearms. You kniw, that same goverment that shiats on the 4th, and the same government whose police agents fark people over all the time.

Yes. Gun control is clearly what is needed.

I do not advocate prohibiting civilian ownership of semi-automatic firearms. In fact, I have stated opposition to any gun control proposal that involves outright prohibition of any currently available firearm model. I would want a path to legal ownership for any currently available firearm type, with the government having a burden to justify rejecting ownership (as is the case with shall-issue based permitting systems).

I also recognize, however, that some level of firearm restrictions can reduce rates of violent crime.

Yes, like Mexico, where guns are illegal. Unicorn's and rainbows all around.

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As if any single one of these weapons confiscated from Mexican cartels was not first bought using the gun show loophole and then smuggled over the border.

As if any single one of these weapons confiscated from Mexican cartels was not first bought using the gun show loophole ...


and atf estimates that over a hundred guns cross the border every single day.
but we don't need border security.
 
5 days ago  

penetrating_virga: bluejeansonfire: Repeal the 2nd. Confiscate and ban. We're children who can't be trusted with our stupid little toys, so we need to take them all away.

I hope I see a gun-free United States in my lifetime. But I'm not stupid enough to hold my breath about that.

Fark guns.

Very realistic. Over 320 million guns in the USA and no telling how many billions of rounds and you want them all confiscated. Suuuure. Are we going to use unicorns to help us find ALL of the guns or perhaps the iPhone 12 will have a sensor for it?  Not to mention that a zip gun can be made in minutes with supplies from your local hardware store.


have you seen modern air guns? omg. not controlled by centerfire laws.

BullMaster Semi-Auto Air Rifle! HatsanUSA
Youtube q1upH-LiQL8
 
5 days ago  

The_Sponge: "Nobody wants to take your guns away."


I certainly don't want to "take" your guns.
The issue is your attitude toward them. No other first world nation on the planet has it.
Guns are machines, which is how other first world nations with them see them. Machines that can be left alone. Machines that simply aren't that important.

But not here. Somehow the people here cannot do without them. And that is what must change first. But it won't, so long as there are forces that want to make money by stoking fear and people who are too simple to resist.
 
5 days ago  

durbnpoisn: Keyser_Soze_Death: durbnpoisn: Keyser_Soze_Death: durbnpoisn: Markoff_Cheney: Columbine was the first big one in my lifetime, and it seemed like we didn't have another for a long stretch after that.  People aren't even talking about Vegas any more, I remember Columbine being front page news for 3+ months straight around here.

It wasn't just your lifetime.  That was the first time it ever happened.

Prior to that no one had ever considered shooting up a school.

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No one... Ever.

//Does 2 seconds of research...

Ok.  I stand corrected.
I don't think that exactly qualifies as a mass shooting by Columbine standards.

1966 University of Texas tower shooting (15 killed 32 injured)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universi​ty_of_Texas_tower_shooting

1922 Bath School disaster (44 killed 58 injured)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_Sch​ool_disaster


Harry Chapin wrote a song about that top one.

Anyway...  Thanks, everyone, for proving how completely wrong I was that Columbine was the most screwed up thing that had happened up to that time.  You've done tons to restore my faith in humanity.

So let's just say, it's the first time ever that a couple of students, together, got a hold of a bunch of semi-automatic weapons, shot up a school, mostly students died, and then they killed themselves.

I'm pretty that's the first time THAT happened.


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5 days ago  
With cars, there's been a continuous improvement in their safety. They're always adding driver assist features and when autonomous cars get here, it should really put a dent in traffic fatalities.

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Airlines, ditto.

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But guns? Seems like there's never anything done, no background check upgrades, the same types of clowns keep getting weapons and ammo, after each mass shooting, year after year.

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I'm not okay with the "tough sh•t, cupcake" approach to gun injuries and fatalities.
 
5 days ago  

rewind2846: potterydove: In California? This is just proof that gun control doesn't work.

No. The only thing this proves is that we need fewer guns here.
Not more laws, not more rules, not more regulations, just fewer guns.
And don't even try the "well da crinimalz gots de guns!" because every gun manufactured here was at one time in its existence legally owned - from the manufacturer to gun shops to someone's house. The fact that criminals were able to get them through theft or other means from these legal owners shows that there are simply too may of them and that they are too easy to get.

The second amendment says people CAN have guns.
It does not insist that that people MUST have guns.
It is that fetishistic desire which causes the sickness here, a societal sickness that will erupt into incidents like this one.

Again, and again, and again. Don't even need a calendar.


farking this.
 
5 days ago  

JungleBoogie: With cars, there's been a continuous improvement in their safety. They're always adding driver assist features and when autonomous cars get here, it should really put a dent in traffic fatalities.

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Airlines, ditto.

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But guns? Seems like there's never anything done, no background check upgrades, the same types of clowns keep getting weapons and ammo, after each mass shooting, year after year.

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I'm not okay with the "tough sh•t, cupcake" approach to gun injuries and fatalities.


I guess we should ignore that 50% drop in homicides and 75% drop in nonfatal shootings from the 90s?
 
5 days ago  

rewind2846: But not here.


Incorrect.  For example, many of the gun nuts I know will not shoot for several months during the winter.  You seem to be rooted in something along the lines of  "Area man passionate about what he imagines gun nuts to be."

It is actually obvious you know little about these people.
 
5 days ago  

potterydove: rewind2846: s house. The fact that criminals were able to get them through theft or other means from these legal owners shows that there are simply too may of them and that they are too easy to get.

The second amendment says people CAN have guns.
It does not insist that that people MUST have guns.
It is that fetishistic desire which causes the sickness here, a societal sickness that will erupt into incidents like this one.

Yet Switzerland has similar per capita private gun ownership, but much lower crime rates. The problem is cultural. Stop blaming inanimate objects.


Goddam right the problem is cultural. A culture of fetishizing and recreationalizing a machine designed to transfer a lethal amount of energy and mass long distances at high velocities, combined with aggressive masculinity, to be specific.
 
5 days ago  

rewind2846: . Somehow the people here cannot do without them. And that is what must change first.


Again, this is an obvious talking point rooted in ignorance.  Many people don't own guns.  Those of us that do own firearms do so for various reasons.  We choose to own guns, not because we cannot do without them, but because we have reasons to own them and they are legal.

If you can convince people to get rid of their guns, that is fine by us.  However, based upon your flawed logic and appeal to emotion, you have much work to do before that happens.
 
5 days ago  

carkiller: potterydove: rewind2846: s house. The fact that criminals were able to get them through theft or other means from these legal owners shows that there are simply too may of them and that they are too easy to get.

The second amendment says people CAN have guns.
It does not insist that that people MUST have guns.
It is that fetishistic desire which causes the sickness here, a societal sickness that will erupt into incidents like this one.

Yet Switzerland has similar per capita private gun ownership, but much lower crime rates. The problem is cultural. Stop blaming inanimate objects.

Goddam right the problem is cultural. A culture of fetishizing and recreationalizing a machine designed to transfer a lethal amount of energy and mass long distances at high velocities, combined with aggressive masculinity, to be specific.


Yet the people most associated (stereotyped) with that culture (white people) have homicide rates that are on par with European nations.

This somewhat shows up in states that are predominantly white like NH, VT, ME, ID, UT, MT, WY, etc. and and have very low homicide rates.

Someone posted a report from Milwaukee where the homicide rate for white people in the city was around 1.7/100k vs 27.9 for black people.  This shows up in New Orleans where in some years up to 95% of homicides are believed to be committed by black people who are ~60% of the population.

You can see this in Chicago with offender and victim rates for different races/ethnicities.
 
5 days ago  

penetrating_virga: bluejeansonfire: Repeal the 2nd. Confiscate and ban. We're children who can't be trusted with our stupid little toys, so we need to take them all away.

I hope I see a gun-free United States in my lifetime. But I'm not stupid enough to hold my breath about that.

Fark guns.

Very realistic. Over 320 million guns in the USA and no telling how many billions of rounds and you want them all confiscated. Suuuure. Are we going to use unicorns to help us find ALL of the guns or perhaps the iPhone 12 will have a sensor for it?  Not to mention that a zip gun can be made in minutes with supplies from your local hardware store.


How many rounds per minute you figure you can swing with a zip gun, Tex, and at what range?  And do tell about your bold plan to scale production.
 
5 days ago  

carkiller: penetrating_virga: bluejeansonfire: Repeal the 2nd. Confiscate and ban. We're children who can't be trusted with our stupid little toys, so we need to take them all away.

I hope I see a gun-free United States in my lifetime. But I'm not stupid enough to hold my breath about that.

Fark guns.

Very realistic. Over 320 million guns in the USA and no telling how many billions of rounds and you want them all confiscated. Suuuure. Are we going to use unicorns to help us find ALL of the guns or perhaps the iPhone 12 will have a sensor for it?  Not to mention that a zip gun can be made in minutes with supplies from your local hardware store.

How many rounds per minute you figure you can swing with a zip gun, Tex, and at what range?  And do tell about your bold plan to scale production.


With the right approach, a person only needs one to kill someone with a gun (cop, soldier) and take their gun.  This was an effective tactic in WW2.

Beyond, Sten Guns can be made pretty easily.
 
5 days ago  

pedrop357: carkiller: potterydove: rewind2846: s house. The fact that criminals were able to get them through theft or other means from these legal owners shows that there are simply too may of them and that they are too easy to get.

The second amendment says people CAN have guns.
It does not insist that that people MUST have guns.
It is that fetishistic desire which causes the sickness here, a societal sickness that will erupt into incidents like this one.

Yet Switzerland has similar per capita private gun ownership, but much lower crime rates. The problem is cultural. Stop blaming inanimate objects.

Goddam right the problem is cultural. A culture of fetishizing and recreationalizing a machine designed to transfer a lethal amount of energy and mass long distances at high velocities, combined with aggressive masculinity, to be specific.

Yet the people most associated (stereotyped) with that culture (white people) have homicide rates that are on par with European nations.

This somewhat shows up in states that are predominantly white like NH, VT, ME, ID, UT, MT, WY, etc. and and have very low homicide rates.

Someone posted a report from Milwaukee where the homicide rate for white people in the city was around 1.7/100k vs 27.9 for black people.  This shows up in New Orleans where in some years up to 95% of homicides are believed to be committed by black people who are ~60% of the population.

You can see this in Chicago with offender and victim rates for different races/ethnicities.


I figured you were whistling, there, but I wanted you to put yourself. Nice work, cowboy.
 
5 days ago  

carkiller: pedrop357: carkiller: potterydove: rewind2846: s house. The fact that criminals were able to get them through theft or other means from these legal owners shows that there are simply too may of them and that they are too easy to get.

The second amendment says people CAN have guns.
It does not insist that that people MUST have guns.
It is that fetishistic desire which causes the sickness here, a societal sickness that will erupt into incidents like this one.

Yet Switzerland has similar per capita private gun ownership, but much lower crime rates. The problem is cultural. Stop blaming inanimate objects.

Goddam right the problem is cultural. A culture of fetishizing and recreationalizing a machine designed to transfer a lethal amount of energy and mass long distances at high velocities, combined with aggressive masculinity, to be specific.

Yet the people most associated (stereotyped) with that culture (white people) have homicide rates that are on par with European nations.

This somewhat shows up in states that are predominantly white like NH, VT, ME, ID, UT, MT, WY, etc. and and have very low homicide rates.

Someone posted a report from Milwaukee where the homicide rate for white people in the city was around 1.7/100k vs 27.9 for black people.  This shows up in New Orleans where in some years up to 95% of homicides are believed to be committed by black people who are ~60% of the population.

You can see this in Chicago with offender and victim rates for different races/ethnicities.

I figured you were whistling, there, but I wanted you to put yourself. Nice work, cowboy.


*out* yourself, that is.
 
5 days ago  

rewind2846: The_Sponge: "Nobody wants to take your guns away."

I certainly don't want to "take" your guns.
The issue is your attitude toward them. No other first world nation on the planet has it.
Guns are machines, which is how other first world nations with them see them. Machines that can be left alone. Machines that simply aren't that important.

But not here. Somehow the people here cannot do without them. And that is what must change first. But it won't, so long as there are forces that want to make money by stoking fear and people who are too simple to resist.


Yeah, and unfortunately....there are people...and some of them who are elected officials...at the state and federal level...who want to take them away...or at the very least, certain males and models.
 
5 days ago  

carkiller: pedrop357: carkiller: potterydove: rewind2846: s house. The fact that criminals were able to get them through theft or other means from these legal owners shows that there are simply too may of them and that they are too easy to get.

The second amendment says people CAN have guns.
It does not insist that that people MUST have guns.
It is that fetishistic desire which causes the sickness here, a societal sickness that will erupt into incidents like this one.

Yet Switzerland has similar per capita private gun ownership, but much lower crime rates. The problem is cultural. Stop blaming inanimate objects.

Goddam right the problem is cultural. A culture of fetishizing and recreationalizing a machine designed to transfer a lethal amount of energy and mass long distances at high velocities, combined with aggressive masculinity, to be specific.

Yet the people most associated (stereotyped) with that culture (white people) have homicide rates that are on par with European nations.

This somewhat shows up in states that are predominantly white like NH, VT, ME, ID, UT, MT, WY, etc. and and have very low homicide rates.

Someone posted a report from Milwaukee where the homicide rate for white people in the city was around 1.7/100k vs 27.9 for black people.  This shows up in New Orleans where in some years up to 95% of homicides are believed to be committed by black people who are ~60% of the population.

You can see this in Chicago with offender and victim rates for different races/ethnicities.

I figured you were whistling, there, but I wanted you to put yourself. Nice work, cowboy.


You didn't initially reply to me.  Also, did I lie about anything?  You may not like the truth, but it's still the truth.

I've pointed out multiple times in gun threads that the bulk of violence in this country is a poverty problem, and black people are disproportionately poor, therefore it does make sense that they are also disproportionately involved in crime.  This sort of A-B, B-C, A~C type connection is well documented in studies involving poverty, racial distribution of crime, etc.

The same Milwaukee report I posted about earlier explicitly states that shootings happened disproportionately in lower socioeconomic neighborhoods.  When you look at the highest homicide rate community areas in Chicago, you see similar correlations to per capita income.

If that's a "whistle", so be it.
 
5 days ago  

pedrop357: carkiller: penetrating_virga: bluejeansonfire: Repeal the 2nd. Confiscate and ban. We're children who can't be trusted with our stupid little toys, so we need to take them all away.

I hope I see a gun-free United States in my lifetime. But I'm not stupid enough to hold my breath about that.

Fark guns.

Very realistic. Over 320 million guns in the USA and no telling how many billions of rounds and you want them all confiscated. Suuuure. Are we going to use unicorns to help us find ALL of the guns or perhaps the iPhone 12 will have a sensor for it?  Not to mention that a zip gun can be made in minutes with supplies from your local hardware store.

How many rounds per minute you figure you can swing with a zip gun, Tex, and at what range?  And do tell about your bold plan to scale production.

With the right approach, a person only needs one to kill someone with a gun (cop, soldier) and take their gun.  This was an effective tactic in WW2.

Beyond, Sten Guns can be made pretty easily.


That popping sound you might have just heard is one of my optic nerves separating from my eyes rolling to hard, if you were wondering.

Also, listen to yourself. You're smoking the chore boy for one last rush; if they take all the guns away, I can just make a gun, from the hardware store, and I can take my gun, and use it to steal another gun. Guuuunnnnns."  Seek rehab, man.
 
5 days ago  

carkiller: pedrop357: carkiller: penetrating_virga: bluejeansonfire: Repeal the 2nd. Confiscate and ban. We're children who can't be trusted with our stupid little toys, so we need to take them all away.

I hope I see a gun-free United States in my lifetime. But I'm not stupid enough to hold my breath about that.

Fark guns.

Very realistic. Over 320 million guns in the USA and no telling how many billions of rounds and you want them all confiscated. Suuuure. Are we going to use unicorns to help us find ALL of the guns or perhaps the iPhone 12 will have a sensor for it?  Not to mention that a zip gun can be made in minutes with supplies from your local hardware store.

How many rounds per minute you figure you can swing with a zip gun, Tex, and at what range?  And do tell about your bold plan to scale production.

With the right approach, a person only needs one to kill someone with a gun (cop, soldier) and take their gun.  This was an effective tactic in WW2.

Beyond, Sten Guns can be made pretty easily.

That popping sound you might have just heard is one of my optic nerves separating from my eyes rolling to hard, if you were wondering.

Also, listen to yourself. You're smoking the chore boy for one last rush; if they take all the guns away, I can just make a gun, from the hardware store, and I can take my gun, and use it to steal another gun. Guuuunnnnns."  Seek rehab, man.


Have you always been like this, or did you have to work on it?
 
5 days ago  

pedrop357: carkiller: pedrop357: carkiller: penetrating_virga: bluejeansonfire: Repeal the 2nd. Confiscate and ban. We're children who can't be trusted with our stupid little toys, so we need to take them all away.

I hope I see a gun-free United States in my lifetime. But I'm not stupid enough to hold my breath about that.

Fark guns.

Very realistic. Over 320 million guns in the USA and no telling how many billions of rounds and you want them all confiscated. Suuuure. Are we going to use unicorns to help us find ALL of the guns or perhaps the iPhone 12 will have a sensor for it?  Not to mention that a zip gun can be made in minutes with supplies from your local hardware store.

How many rounds per minute you figure you can swing with a zip gun, Tex, and at what range?  And do tell about your bold plan to scale production.

With the right approach, a person only needs one to kill someone with a gun (cop, soldier) and take their gun.  This was an effective tactic in WW2.

Beyond, Sten Guns can be made pretty easily.

That popping sound you might have just heard is one of my optic nerves separating from my eyes rolling to hard, if you were wondering.

Also, listen to yourself. You're smoking the chore boy for one last rush; if they take all the guns away, I can just make a gun, from the hardware store, and I can take my gun, and use it to steal another gun. Guuuunnnnns."  Seek rehab, man.

Have you always been like this, or did you have to work on it?


A little from column A, a little from column B.

How about you? Compulsion to be able to kill inborn or learned for you?  Gross, either way.
 
5 days ago  

vrax: Sorry I said that you were so full of shiat.  I checked my patience dipstick and it's empty.


meh. everybody's touchy lately.
seriously though, If you wanted to ask me how many "assault weapons" i have... i'd have to think for a while, make a good guess, and we'd also have to define what exactly you mean, because some are partially built, and another 4 or 5 are fresh and not built at all, with one of them registered with the ATF NFA as another short barreled rifle.
I am not unique in this way. When I find stuff at good prices, I buy as much as I want and toss it in a safe. I may go a year or so without buying anything, or I may buy one thing, and then 5 more things the next weekend because somebody offers me a good deal. That's why people like me question arbitrary limits on gun purchases in a given amount of time (e.g. one a month). It will cost me extra money because I won't get my deals anymore. And it will do little, if any, good because anybody who wants to "stockpile" will either buy exactly what the limit says, or they will make their own (which is quite legal and requires no notification to the feds).
 
5 days ago  

pedrop357: Spermbot: NEDM: California, which did use one of its gun registries to go door to door confiscating guns.

[citation needed]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02​/19/california-gun-confiscation_n_2717​809.html


They also have the option to do it for more people:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2​015/dec/29/california-gun-violence-res​training-order-law-goin/


Oh, FFS.  The first news piece is about ensuring that people who *lost the legal right to have guns* - by going to jail - don't have them.  The second piece deals with people who pose an imminent threat to themselves or others as judged by those who know them best - their family.

Neither is the beginning of widespread confiscation of firearms from people who have the legal right to own them.  There is *no* slippery slope here.  It beggars belief that anyone could think so.
 
5 days ago  

Spermbot: pedrop357: Spermbot: NEDM: California, which did use one of its gun registries to go door to door confiscating guns.

[citation needed]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02​/19/california-gun-confiscation_n_2717​809.html


They also have the option to do it for more people:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2​015/dec/29/california-gun-violence-res​training-order-law-goin/

Oh, FFS.  The first news piece is about ensuring that people who *lost the legal right to have guns* - by going to jail - don't have them.  The second piece deals with people who pose an imminent threat to themselves or others as judged by those who know them best - their family.

Neither is the beginning of widespread confiscation of firearms from people who have the legal right to own them.  There is *no* slippery slope here.  It beggars belief that anyone could think so.


You implied they weren't doing confiscation.  It's also worth pointing out that they've seized them from people not prohibited because they can't be bothered to maintain their lists properly:
http://www.guns.com/2017/04/04/califo​r​nia-man-who-had-541-guns-seized-by-doj​-gets-them-all-returned-to-his-family/​
 
5 days ago  

durbnpoisn: So let's just say, it's the first time ever that a couple of students, together, got a hold of a bunch of semi-automatic weapons, shot up a school, mostly students died, and then they killed themselves.


They only each had one semi-auto 9mm gun. They also each had a shotgun, one had a pump action and one had a double barreled breech loading shotgun. They improvised many bombs.
I had to look this up. Seems like they each had a billion guns on them in retrospect, but nope. I think that when we hear "columbine" we somehow associate it with this classic kid.

carkiller: That popping sound you might have just heard is one of my optic nerves separating from my eyes rolling to hard, if you were wondering.

You clearly don't know much about the cheaply made, but very effective, guns of WWII. Or zip guns, pen guns, or pipe guns. or AOWs in the form of keychain guns, cane guns, etc.
 
5 days ago  

pedrop357: Spermbot: 
Neither is the beginning of widespread confiscation of firearms from people who have the legal right to own them.  There is *no* slippery slope here.  It beggars belief that anyone could think so.

You implied they weren't doing confiscation.  It's also worth pointing out that they've seized them from people not prohibited because they can't be bothered to maintain their lists properly:
http://www.guns.com/2017/04/04/califor​nia-man-who-had-541-guns-seized-by-doj​-gets-them-all-returned-to-his-family/​


ZING!
 
5 days ago  

pedrop357: Spermbot: pedrop357: Spermbot: NEDM: California, which did use one of its gun registries to go door to door confiscating guns.

[citation needed]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02​/19/california-gun-confiscation_n_2717​809.html


They also have the option to do it for more people:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2​015/dec/29/california-gun-violence-res​training-order-law-goin/

Oh, FFS.  The first news piece is about ensuring that people who *lost the legal right to have guns* - by going to jail - don't have them.  The second piece deals with people who pose an imminent threat to themselves or others as judged by those who know them best - their family.

Neither is the beginning of widespread confiscation of firearms from people who have the legal right to own them.  There is *no* slippery slope here.  It beggars belief that anyone could think so.

You implied they weren't doing confiscation.  It's also worth pointing out that they've seized them from people not prohibited because they can't be bothered to maintain their lists properly:
http://www.guns.com/2017/04/04/califor​nia-man-who-had-541-guns-seized-by-doj​-gets-them-all-returned-to-his-family/​


I can see how my request for a citation implied that I disbelieved you.  In reality, I was just curious.  The last piece of evidence was a strong example supporting your argument.  I hope Sheakalee sues Harris for malicious prosecution and seeks her disbarment as a remedy, in addition to seeking monetary damages.  It would be expensive and might have too low an impact (not to mention a low probability of success) for even a conservative legal foundation to pursue, though.
 
5 days ago  

Spermbot: pedrop357: Spermbot: pedrop357: Spermbot: NEDM: California, which did use one of its gun registries to go door to door confiscating guns.

[citation needed]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02​/19/california-gun-confiscation_n_2717​809.html


They also have the option to do it for more people:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2​015/dec/29/california-gun-violence-res​training-order-law-goin/

Oh, FFS.  The first news piece is about ensuring that people who *lost the legal right to have guns* - by going to jail - don't have them.  The second piece deals with people who pose an imminent threat to themselves or others as judged by those who know them best - their family.

Neither is the beginning of widespread confiscation of firearms from people who have the legal right to own them.  There is *no* slippery slope here.  It beggars belief that anyone could think so.

You implied they weren't doing confiscation.  It's also worth pointing out that they've seized them from people not prohibited because they can't be bothered to maintain their lists properly:
http://www.guns.com/2017/04/04/califor​nia-man-who-had-541-guns-seized-by-doj​-gets-them-all-returned-to-his-family/

I can see how my request for a citation implied that I disbelieved you.  In reality, I was just curious.  The last piece of evidence was a strong example supporting your argument.  I hope Sheakalee sues Harris for malicious prosecution and seeks her disbarment as a remedy, in addition to seeking monetary damages.  It would be expensive and might have too low an impact (not to mention a low probability of success) for even a conservative legal foundation to pursue, though.


Cool.  The first case they reference is one I was thinking of
http://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news​/​eyewitness-news-investigates-flaws-wit​hin-californias-gun-confiscation-progr​am/358532978#.Vrn8wlz-T-R.twitter
 
5 days ago  
1'

anustart: One day, a giant meteor hit the U.S., killing one third of the U.S. population.  That same day, NASA discovered a second giant meteor headed towards Earth. They went public with the news that as many as another third of the U.S. population would die if no action was taken.  The government did nothing.

When pressed for a response, House, Senate and White House officials issued the following joint statement:
"In this difficult and tragic moment when so many of our fellow citizens are grieving, it would be inappropriate to politicize the issue of giant meteors by engaging in a debate on how to deal with them. Now is simply not the time."


Congrats, you made an analogy that matches the reality of the situation exactly.  It's not hyperbole at all.
 
5 days ago  
xalres:  Let's do nothing because shiat doesn't get better
pedrop357: Actually shiat is getting better here are the facts
xalres: waaargarbl emotional appeal


I paraphrased a little...  But yea you're ridiculous.
 
4 days ago  

The_Sponge: Frederf: The_Sponge: durbnpoisn: Keyser_Soze_Death: durbnpoisn: Keyser_Soze_Death: durbnpoisn: Markoff_Cheney: Columbine was the first big one in my lifetime, and it seemed like we didn't have another for a long stretch after that.  People aren't even talking about Vegas any more, I remember Columbine being front page news for 3+ months straight around here.

It wasn't just your lifetime.  That was the first time it ever happened.

Prior to that no one had ever considered shooting up a school.

[images.gr-assets.com image 308x475]

No one... Ever.

//Does 2 seconds of research...

Ok.  I stand corrected.
I don't think that exactly qualifies as a mass shooting by Columbine standards.

1966 University of Texas tower shooting (15 killed 32 injured)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universi​ty_of_Texas_tower_shooting

1922 Bath School disaster (44 killed 58 injured)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_Sch​ool_disaster


Harry Chapin wrote a song about that top one.

Anyway...  Thanks, everyone, for proving how completely wrong I was that Columbine was the most screwed up thing that had happened up to that time.  You've done tons to restore my faith in humanity.

So let's just say, it's the first time ever that a couple of students, together, got a hold of a bunch of semi-automatic weapons, shot up a school, mostly students died, and then they killed themselves.

I'm pretty that's the first time THAT happened.

Side note:  Columbine took place during Bill Clinton's ban on "assault weapons".

Man dies of flu the day after penecillin invented.

The ban passed in 1994, Columbine took place in 1999.  Try again.


You think 5 years is a long enough time to have an effect? Oh dear.
 
4 days ago  

Frederf: The_Sponge: Frederf: The_Sponge: durbnpoisn: Keyser_Soze_Death: durbnpoisn: Keyser_Soze_Death: durbnpoisn: Markoff_Cheney: Columbine was the first big one in my lifetime, and it seemed like we didn't have another for a long stretch after that.  People aren't even talking about Vegas any more, I remember Columbine being front page news for 3+ months straight around here.

It wasn't just your lifetime.  That was the first time it ever happened.

Prior to that no one had ever considered shooting up a school.

[images.gr-assets.com image 308x475]

No one... Ever.

//Does 2 seconds of research...

Ok.  I stand corrected.
I don't think that exactly qualifies as a mass shooting by Columbine standards.

1966 University of Texas tower shooting (15 killed 32 injured)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universi​ty_of_Texas_tower_shooting

1922 Bath School disaster (44 killed 58 injured)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_Sch​ool_disaster


Harry Chapin wrote a song about that top one.

Anyway...  Thanks, everyone, for proving how completely wrong I was that Columbine was the most screwed up thing that had happened up to that time.  You've done tons to restore my faith in humanity.

So let's just say, it's the first time ever that a couple of students, together, got a hold of a bunch of semi-automatic weapons, shot up a school, mostly students died, and then they killed themselves.

I'm pretty that's the first time THAT happened.

Side note:  Columbine took place during Bill Clinton's ban on "assault weapons".

Man dies of flu the day after penecillin invented.

The ban passed in 1994, Columbine took place in 1999.  Try again.

You think 5 years is a long enough time to have an effect? Oh dear.


So there was a ban in 1994.  Five years later and some kids can still get them easily?  Yea sounds like a fail.
 
4 days ago  

Spermbot: pedrop357: Spermbot: pedrop357: Spermbot: NEDM: California, which did use one of its gun registries to go door to door confiscating guns.

[citation needed]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02​/19/california-gun-confiscation_n_2717​809.html


They also have the option to do it for more people:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2​015/dec/29/california-gun-violence-res​training-order-law-goin/

Oh, FFS.  The first news piece is about ensuring that people who *lost the legal right to have guns* - by going to jail - don't have them.  The second piece deals with people who pose an imminent threat to themselves or others as judged by those who know them best - their family.

Neither is the beginning of widespread confiscation of firearms from people who have the legal right to own them.  There is *no* slippery slope here.  It beggars belief that anyone could think so.

You implied they weren't doing confiscation.  It's also worth pointing out that they've seized them from people not prohibited because they can't be bothered to maintain their lists properly:
http://www.guns.com/2017/04/04/califor​nia-man-who-had-541-guns-seized-by-doj​-gets-them-all-returned-to-his-family/

I can see how my request for a citation implied that I disbelieved you.  In reality, I was just curious.  The last piece of evidence was a strong example supporting your argument.  I hope Sheakalee sues Harris for malicious prosecution and seeks her disbarment as a remedy, in addition to seeking monetary damages.  It would be expensive and might have too low an impact (not to mention a low probability of success) for even a conservative legal foundation to pursue, though.


What I was talking about was the SKS Sporter case in, you guessed it!, California.  They said rifles were legal, but required them to be registered.  Then, at a later date, they were outlawed, and California used the registry to make sure they were all confiscated or destroyed.

California is good for proving that the "slippery slope" isn't a fallacy when it comes to gun control laws.
 
4 days ago  

Frederf: The_Sponge: Frederf: The_Sponge: durbnpoisn: Keyser_Soze_Death: durbnpoisn: Keyser_Soze_Death: durbnpoisn: Markoff_Cheney: Columbine was the first big one in my lifetime, and it seemed like we didn't have another for a long stretch after that.  People aren't even talking about Vegas any more, I remember Columbine being front page news for 3+ months straight around here.

It wasn't just your lifetime.  That was the first time it ever happened.

Prior to that no one had ever considered shooting up a school.

[images.gr-assets.com image 308x475]

No one... Ever.

//Does 2 seconds of research...

Ok.  I stand corrected.
I don't think that exactly qualifies as a mass shooting by Columbine standards.

1966 University of Texas tower shooting (15 killed 32 injured)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universi​ty_of_Texas_tower_shooting

1922 Bath School disaster (44 killed 58 injured)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_Sch​ool_disaster


Harry Chapin wrote a song about that top one.

Anyway...  Thanks, everyone, for proving how completely wrong I was that Columbine was the most screwed up thing that had happened up to that time.  You've done tons to restore my faith in humanity.

So let's just say, it's the first time ever that a couple of students, together, got a hold of a bunch of semi-automatic weapons, shot up a school, mostly students died, and then they killed themselves.

I'm pretty that's the first time THAT happened.

Side note:  Columbine took place during Bill Clinton's ban on "assault weapons".

Man dies of flu the day after penecillin invented.

The ban passed in 1994, Columbine took place in 1999.  Try again.

You think 5 years is a long enough time to have an effect? Oh dear.


In all fairness I went ahead and looked up what guns they used because I didn't remember.  Two shotguns and a TEC-DC9 which were still legal to purchase.  So the ban on "assault weapons" seems irrelevant.  They did have to get their friend to buy the guns for them because they weren't old enough though so the purchase was ultimately deemed illegal.
 
4 days ago  

pedrop357: You can see this in Chicago with offender and victim rates for different races/ethnicities.


That whistling shouting through a bullhorn must leave you dreadfully short of breath.
Give it a rest.
 
4 days ago  

rewind2846: pedrop357: You can see this in Chicago with offender and victim rates for different races/ethnicities.

That whistling shouting through a bullhorn must leave you dreadfully short of breath.
Give it a rest.


No.
 
4 days ago  
Kevin Neal:
... before moving to California, where he was working as a pot farmer

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REEFER MADNESS!!!
 
4 days ago  

MilesTeg: Kevin Neal:
... before moving to California, where he was working as a pot farmer

[img.fark.net image 750x500]


REEFER MADNESS!!!



That piece of shiat looks like a roadie for Phish.
 
4 days ago  

Steakzilla: In all fairness I went ahead and looked up what guns they used because I didn't remember.  Two shotguns and a TEC-DC9 which were still legal to purchase.  So the ban on "assault weapons" seems irrelevant.  They did have to get their friend to buy the guns for them because they weren't old enough though so the purchase was ultimately deemed illegal.


But both the shotguns were illegally cut down to short configs, which is 2 extra federal felonies. And they had their guns concealed, which is extra felonies. And they took guns into schools, which were gun free zones under the federal gun free school zone act, so more felonies were made. And all the bombs they made were each additional felonies. And their friend buying the guns for them was a pretty seriously illegal act. Oh, and all the murders they did, those were all illegal too.
A lot of things weren't covered by the AWB, but they were covered by a whole lot of other things that were in effect long before the AWB.
 
4 days ago  

ThatGuyOverThere: durbnpoisn: So let's just say, it's the first time ever that a couple of students, together, got a hold of a bunch of semi-automatic weapons, shot up a school, mostly students died, and then they killed themselves.

They only each had one semi-auto 9mm gun. They also each had a shotgun, one had a pump action and one had a double barreled breech loading shotgun. They improvised many bombs.
I had to look this up. Seems like they each had a billion guns on them in retrospect, but nope. I think that when we hear "columbine" we somehow associate it with this classic kid.

carkiller: That popping sound you might have just heard is one of my optic nerves separating from my eyes rolling to hard, if you were wondering.
You clearly don't know much about the cheaply made, but very effective, guns of WWII. Or zip guns, pen guns, or pipe guns. or AOWs in the form of keychain guns, cane guns, etc.


Nor care much, frankly. I'm really kinda into stuff that's not designed to kill people.
 
4 days ago  
http://amp.kcra.com/article/6-dead-in​c​luding-gunman-9-injured-in-tehama-coun​ty-shooting-rampage-2/13600667

"Johnston said Neal was arrested in January for assault with a deadly weapon in connection with a dispute with a female neighbor. She was one of the people killed in the shooting.
Neal also had a restraining order against him that stemmed from the dispute, Johnston said."

"These firearms are manufactured illegally, we believe, by him at his home," Johnston said. "They were obtained in an illegal manner, not through a legal process. They're not registered."

 http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/11/1​4/​at-least-three-dead-in-norcal-shooting​s/

At the time of the attack, the gunman was out on bail after he was charged with stabbing a neighbor. Others had complained about him firing hundreds of rounds from his house, and he had been the subject of a domestic violence call the day before the shootings.

Johnston declined to identify the shooter until his relatives were notified, but he confirmed the gunman was charged with assault in January and had a restraining order placed against him. The district attorney, Gregg Cohen, told the Sacramento Bee he is prosecuting a man named Kevin Neal in that case.
 
4 days ago  

pedrop357: Dusk-You-n-Me: pedrop357: Yes, he is clearly representative of the vast majority of murderers in this country.  Ignore the stats showing that it's young men, and disproportionately young black men committing much of the violent crime in this country.

Yeah a couple centuries of white supremacy will do that.

Well that's been gone quite a while unless you want to tell us that a white supremacist country elected a half-black person for two terms as president.

Note, I saw "half-black" because he was, and from what I've read of white supremacists in the past, that was worse than being black in their eyes.   Words like "mongrelization" , "Race mixing", etc. were tossed at people who merely associated with people of other races, and mixed race babies were worse in their eyes.

White supremacists seemed to 'tolerate' black people as long as they stayed on "their side" or in "their place", but had no such tolerance for babies from mixed couples.  On a side note, black people weren't too fond of half-white babies either.

The election of Obama should have done away with this idea that the US is a "White Supremacist" country for good.  White Supremacist countries do not have non-white leaders in every level of government, and holding positions of significant power.


Nice to see you found some time in your busy Roy Moore Defending schedule to slip in some dog whistle racism and blame some shooting victims.

I hope you never sleep at night you trash heap.
 
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