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4 days ago  

vrax: Cthulhu Theory: vrax: The_Sponge: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I think the best thing we can do is to deny ANY public funding to the NRA and its subsidiaries from any level of government.

Since the NRA thinks law enforcement officers are jack-booted thugs, they have no business being paid to train law enforcement officers or citizens.

They can do so on the private dime.

Name a current organization that can easily take over that void if that ever happened.

Considering how generally poor or nonexistent firearms training is for beat cops throughout the United States, it seems that almost anyone could take over and it would be an improvement.  Anyone who can train cops to overcome their "It's coming straight for us!!" mentality would be acceptable.

Dude, the "they're coming straight for us" mentality is exactly how they're trained. Every stop is a potentially lethal situation.

Thanks, Captain Obvious!  Why the fark do you think I made the comment?!


You're complaining about the training but it's by design, you can't overc that with better training because the training is working as intended. If you're arguing to fix that mentality , then you need to change their rules of engagement. Bottom line.
 
4 days ago  

AdmirableSnackbar: NEDM: "Give us a little now or we take it all" is not a "compromise" by any definition of the word

Actually it's the definition of compromise.


You REALLY need a dictionary.
 
4 days ago  

vrax: Cthulhu Theory: vrax: The_Sponge: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I think the best thing we can do is to deny ANY public funding to the NRA and its subsidiaries from any level of government.

Since the NRA thinks law enforcement officers are jack-booted thugs, they have no business being paid to train law enforcement officers or citizens.

They can do so on the private dime.

Name a current organization that can easily take over that void if that ever happened.

Considering how generally poor or nonexistent firearms training is for beat cops throughout the United States, it seems that almost anyone could take over and it would be an improvement.  Anyone who can train cops to overcome their "It's coming straight for us!!" mentality would be acceptable.

Dude, the "they're coming straight for us" mentality is exactly how they're trained. Every stop is a potentially lethal situation.

Thanks, Captain Obvious!  Why the fark do you think I made the comment?!


Oh and my handle is Cthulhu Theory, not captain obvious, thank you very much.
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  

pedrop357: xalres: hundreddollarman: See you guys at the next Fark Gun Thread™
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What's the over/under, timewise? Three weeks? Maybe two?

/nothing we can do, literally nothing
//prots and thayers
///tots and pears

What steps should have been taken that would have stopped this shooting that California doesn't already have?


Literally nothing. There's no one thing that will solve everything 100% a the time so there's just no point in trying. Our only solace in this bleak, meaningless hellscape is that hobbyists and tyranny-overthrowing afficionados such as yourself can go to the range and plink some targets. And believe me when I say we all take great comforin that.
 
4 days ago  

fragMasterFlash: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x723]

Hello, teacher. Tell me what's my lesson.


Today we're learning how the evil libbie libs want to take daddy's guns and make you less safe.
 
4 days ago  

penetrating_virga: AdmirableSnackbar: .. their toys..

..and THAT perspective is what makes you look like a complete dumb-ass. I'm guessing you believe that acts of violence and homicide disappears with the existence of firearms.

 
4 days ago  

xalres: Literally nothing. There's no one thing that will solve everything 100% a the time so there's just no point in trying. Our only solace in this bleak, meaningless hellscape is that hobbyists and tyranny-overthrowing afficionados such as yourself can go to the range and plink some targets. And believe me when I say we all take great comforin that.


As a starting point, can you propose something that would have made a difference in this instance?
 
4 days ago  

xalres: fragMasterFlash: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x723]

Hello, teacher. Tell me what's my lesson.

Today we're learning how the evil libbie libs want to take daddy's guns and make you less safe.


Well maybe those libby libs shouldn't say stupid things...like how they want Australian-style gun bans in this country.
 
4 days ago  
My 'Funny' button is getting a workout. You know who you are.

//only 'cos there's no 'Stupid' button.
 
4 days ago  

Dusk-You-n-Me: DeathByGeekSquad: Focus on the mentality, rather than the tool.  Conflict resolution and critical thinking - skillsets that are increasingly difficult to find in younger generations.

Stephen Paddock was 64 years old so maybe pump the brakes on your bullsh*t psychoanalysis, Freud.


Or you recognize that some will slip through, and focus on the fresh recruits to the mentality.  Difficult concept.
 
4 days ago  

This text is now purple: Why do we still talk about JenBenet Ramsay, and not the hundreds of other missing kids?


Because she looks like this:
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and not like this:
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or like this:
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But I thought everyone knew that already...
 
4 days ago  

AdmirableSnackbar: NEDM: "Give us a little now or we take it all" is not a "compromise" by any definition of the word

Actually it's the definition of compromise.


No dummy, that's called an "ultimatum".
 
4 days ago  

pedrop357: xalres: Literally nothing. There's no one thing that will solve everything 100% a the time so there's just no point in trying. Our only solace in this bleak, meaningless hellscape is that hobbyists and tyranny-overthrowing afficionados such as yourself can go to the range and plink some targets. And believe me when I say we all take great comforin that.

As a starting point, can you propose something that would have made a difference in this instance?


Because that's a conversation I haven't had on this site over and over. I used to engage thinking gun suckers actually were interested in discussing solutions to a very clear problem, but all you people really end up doing is screaming "NO!" over and over.

So I'll bid you adieu and we'll have the same conversation, I'm sure, in the next mass shooting thread. Maybe we can actually make it into the double digits on the "days since the last mass shooting" sign.
 
4 days ago  

ThatGuyOverThere: vrax: Considering you are so full of shiat,  I'm just going to flag you as full of shiat.

"Some of Paddock's gun purchases date back more than 20 years, but authorities have determined that more than 30 of the firearms were acquired in the past 12 months, the official said."

Most of those were rifles.  Thanks for playing.

My mistake. I hadn't read that before. Last I heard he had been "collecting" for 20 years. Even so 30 in a year is... not really abnormal. an average of 3 a month is ambitious for most folks (financially), but not at all unheard of.
The very first time I went to get a pistol purchase permit in michigan, the nice lady asked me how many permits I wanted. I said "well... just one. isn't that enough?" And she laughed, said I'd be back for more soon. I got a carry license instead so I didn't have to bother getting permits ahead of time (state rules).
When I have the cash and find good deals, I may buy 3-4+ at a time. Some retailers will even bundle 3-5 rifle lowers as a perk for buying a decent pistol. Since it's from a retailer, background checks are still needed though.


Sorry I said that you were so full of shiat.  I checked my patience dipstick and it's empty.
 
4 days ago  

DeathByGeekSquad: Or you recognize that some will slip through, and focus on the fresh recruits to the mentality.  Difficult concept.


"fresh recruits to the mentality" is the dumbest thing I've read today. Stay in your lane, Freud.
 
4 days ago  

anustart: The deep and serious flaw with this logic is that a huge proportion of gun violence is committed on the spur of the moment, in a fit of uncontrolled anger. They aren't premeditated acts by career criminals


[Citation needed]

Perpetrators of any violent crime, ("gun" violence or otherwise) rarely "just snap", the majority have an adult criminal record.  For example, in one Milwaukee  report, 90% of homicide suspects had an adult criminal record.
 
4 days ago  

tnpir: Hey, shut this thread down dammit. Now is not the time to talk about guns. Tomorrow won't be either. I might have some time in late 2038 if you'd like to make an appointment....

...no wait, sorry, that time isn't appropriate either...


K'NAAN - Hurt Me Tomorrow (Clean)
Youtube 0E3c-X86Y6o
 
4 days ago  

Mugato: Donald Trump's Latest Tweet: Mugato: Ferreira said he heard gunfire for over 20 minutes

20 minutes and only "at least" three dead? That's not only poor reporting that they can't accurately count corpses, that's poor mass shooting to get only three people in 20 minutes.

We're sorry that we don't have a good mass shooting for you today. Would you like a rain check?

I'm just tired of everyone shiatting themselves every time there's a shooting when there's nothing we can do about it. They're not going to change legislation, the cops are useless (one might have shot the last guy, kudos), so why keep up the same tired argument?


Because 16,000 people shouldn't have to die every year because you're "tired?"
 
4 days ago  

Keyser_Soze_Death: durbnpoisn: Keyser_Soze_Death: durbnpoisn: Markoff_Cheney: Columbine was the first big one in my lifetime, and it seemed like we didn't have another for a long stretch after that.  People aren't even talking about Vegas any more, I remember Columbine being front page news for 3+ months straight around here.

It wasn't just your lifetime.  That was the first time it ever happened.

Prior to that no one had ever considered shooting up a school.

[images.gr-assets.com image 308x475]

No one... Ever.

//Does 2 seconds of research...

Ok.  I stand corrected.
I don't think that exactly qualifies as a mass shooting by Columbine standards.

1966 University of Texas tower shooting (15 killed 32 injured)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universi​ty_of_Texas_tower_shooting

1922 Bath School disaster (44 killed 58 injured)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_Sch​ool_disaster



Harry Chapin wrote a song about that top one.

Anyway...  Thanks, everyone, for proving how completely wrong I was that Columbine was the most screwed up thing that had happened up to that time.  You've done tons to restore my faith in humanity.

So let's just say, it's the first time ever that a couple of students, together, got a hold of a bunch of semi-automatic weapons, shot up a school, mostly students died, and then they killed themselves.

I'm pretty that's the first time THAT happened.
 
4 days ago  

Subtonic: Dead elementary students? Surely this will be what it takes to bring about reform in gun control at long last.


In California? This is just proof that gun control doesn't work.
 
4 days ago  

durbnpoisn: Keyser_Soze_Death: durbnpoisn: Keyser_Soze_Death: durbnpoisn: Markoff_Cheney: Columbine was the first big one in my lifetime, and it seemed like we didn't have another for a long stretch after that.  People aren't even talking about Vegas any more, I remember Columbine being front page news for 3+ months straight around here.

It wasn't just your lifetime.  That was the first time it ever happened.

Prior to that no one had ever considered shooting up a school.

[images.gr-assets.com image 308x475]

No one... Ever.

//Does 2 seconds of research...

Ok.  I stand corrected.
I don't think that exactly qualifies as a mass shooting by Columbine standards.

1966 University of Texas tower shooting (15 killed 32 injured)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universi​ty_of_Texas_tower_shooting

1922 Bath School disaster (44 killed 58 injured)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_Sch​ool_disaster


Harry Chapin wrote a song about that top one.

Anyway...  Thanks, everyone, for proving how completely wrong I was that Columbine was the most screwed up thing that had happened up to that time.  You've done tons to restore my faith in humanity.

So let's just say, it's the first time ever that a couple of students, together, got a hold of a bunch of semi-automatic weapons, shot up a school, mostly students died, and then they killed themselves.

I'm pretty that's the first time THAT happened.


Side note:  Columbine took place during Bill Clinton's ban on "assault weapons".
 
4 days ago  

ChicagoKev: anustart: The deep and serious flaw with this logic is that a huge proportion of gun violence is committed on the spur of the moment, in a fit of uncontrolled anger. They aren't premeditated acts by career criminals

[Citation needed]

Perpetrators of any violent crime, ("gun" violence or otherwise) rarely "just snap", the majority have an adult criminal record.  For example, in one Milwaukee  report, 90% of homicide suspects had an adult criminal record.


Thanks for that.

2. The homicide rate was 14.5 per 100,000 residents and the nonfatal shooting rate was 79.5 per 100,000 residents.
3. The homicide rate per Black residents is 27.9 per 100,000 compared to 9.7 per 100,000 Latino
residents and 1.7 per 100,000 White residents.
8. The vast majority of homicides and nonfatal shootings took place in lower socioeconomic neighborhoods.
17. Four squad areas (340, 520, 530, 540) made up 45% (or 213 out of 473) of all nonfatal shootings. Of these squad areas, 530 and 540 had significant increases over 2010 (93% and 58% respectively).


No, this is purely a gun problem.

That 5.7x and 16.4x difference is the result of non white people being framed to lay the blame on poor people instead of where it belongs, white NRA members.
 
4 days ago  

edmo: Mugato: Donald Trump's Latest Tweet: Mugato: Ferreira said he heard gunfire for over 20 minutes

20 minutes and only "at least" three dead? That's not only poor reporting that they can't accurately count corpses, that's poor mass shooting to get only three people in 20 minutes.

We're sorry that we don't have a good mass shooting for you today. Would you like a rain check?

I'm just tired of everyone shiatting themselves every time there's a shooting when there's nothing we can do about it. They're not going to change legislation, the cops are useless (one might have shot the last guy, kudos), so why keep up the same tired argument?

Because 16,000 people shouldn't have to die every year because you're "tired?"


Where do you get 16,000 people a year?
 
4 days ago  

pedrop357: Yes, he is clearly representative of the vast majority of murderers in this country.  Ignore the stats showing that it's young men, and disproportionately young black men committing much of the violent crime in this country.


Those statistics are clearly racist, especially when you take into account that young black men are also disproportionally victims of violent crime in this country.

I'd point to the rates for Chicago, but  Hey... (the only website for these running totals for 2017 Chicago shooting statistics) is apparently forbidden by Fark, so here's some nationwide info based on CDC numbers.
 
4 days ago  

The_Sponge: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I think the best thing we can do is to deny ANY public funding to the NRA and its subsidiaries from any level of government.

Since the NRA thinks law enforcement officers are jack-booted thugs, they have no business being paid to train law enforcement officers or citizens.

They can do so on the private dime.

Name a current organization that can easily take over that void if that ever happened.


Well they're getting more militarised all the time, so take it a step further and have the military train them.
I'm not talking about combat techniques, just proper firearm training.
 
4 days ago  

potterydove: In California? This is just proof that gun control doesn't work.


No. The only thing this proves is that we need fewer guns here.
Not more laws, not more rules, not more regulations, just fewer guns.
And don't even try the "well da crinimalz gots de guns!" because every gun manufactured here was at one time in its existence legally owned - from the manufacturer to gun shops to someone's house. The fact that criminals were able to get them through theft or other means from these legal owners shows that there are simply too may of them and that they are too easy to get.

The second amendment says people CAN have guns.
It does not insist that that people MUST have guns.
It is that fetishistic desire which causes the sickness here, a societal sickness that will erupt into incidents like this one.

Again, and again, and again. Don't even need a calendar.
 
4 days ago  

Dimensio: bobadooey: Dimensio: Omnidirectional Punching: Sure is a shame that once again there's absolutely nothing we could ever do to put a stop to gun violence.

If California had tough laws banning pistol grips and adjustable stocks on rifles then this shooting would not have happened.

Shut the actual fark up.  You can count the number of bodies that it took to make dry sarcasm on a mass shooting in a high gun control state infuriating.

I apologize. I should never note that outright prohibition based upon cosmetic appearance has never demonstrably reduced rates of violent crime, as noting the complete worthlessness of "assault weapons bans", as opposed to the regulation that I already suggested in this discussion, is disrespectful.


Sarcastic Socrates blue it is for you, then. It's not so much that in every gun thread you ask question, so much as you lampoon the bullshiat coming from every emotional or half-considered thought that gets posted.

To that point - what would it take, in your opinion, to make any significant change to the mass murder by firearm trend?
 
4 days ago  

rewind2846: potterydove: In California? This is just proof that gun control doesn't work.

No. The only thing this proves is that we need fewer guns here.
Not more laws, not more rules, not more regulations, just fewer guns.
And don't even try the "well da crinimalz gots de guns!" because every gun manufactured here was at one time in its existence legally owned - from the manufacturer to gun shops to someone's house. The fact that criminals were able to get them through theft or other means from these legal owners shows that there are simply too may of them and that they are too easy to get.

The second amendment says people CAN have guns.
It does not insist that that people MUST have guns.
It is that fetishistic desire which causes the sickness here, a societal sickness that will erupt into incidents like this one.

Again, and again, and again. Don't even need a calendar.


So how do you propose we get fewer guns without using laws and/or regulations?
 
4 days ago  

rewind2846: The second amendment says people CAN have guns.
It does not insist that that people MUST have guns.


The first amendment says you can engage in free speech, but it does not insist you must engage in it.
 
4 days ago  

rewind2846: s house. The fact that criminals were able to get them through theft or other means from these legal owners shows that there are simply too may of them and that they are too easy to get.

The second amendment says people CAN have guns.
It does not insist that that people MUST have guns.
It is that fetishistic desire which causes the sickness here, a societal sickness that will erupt into incidents like this one.


Yet Switzerland has similar per capita private gun ownership, but much lower crime rates. The problem is cultural. Stop blaming inanimate objects.
 
4 days ago  

Kairam: Dimensio: bobadooey: Dimensio: Omnidirectional Punching: Sure is a shame that once again there's absolutely nothing we could ever do to put a stop to gun violence.

If California had tough laws banning pistol grips and adjustable stocks on rifles then this shooting would not have happened.

Shut the actual fark up.  You can count the number of bodies that it took to make dry sarcasm on a mass shooting in a high gun control state infuriating.

I apologize. I should never note that outright prohibition based upon cosmetic appearance has never demonstrably reduced rates of violent crime, as noting the complete worthlessness of "assault weapons bans", as opposed to the regulation that I already suggested in this discussion, is disrespectful.

Sarcastic Socrates blue it is for you, then. It's not so much that in every gun thread you ask question, so much as you lampoon the bullshiat coming from every emotional or half-considered thought that gets posted.

To that point - what would it take, in your opinion, to make any significant change to the mass murder by firearm trend?


Try to persuade them switch to explosives, vehicles, and arson like other countries.
 
4 days ago  

NEDM: California, which did use one of its gun registries to go door to door confiscating guns.


[citation needed]
 
4 days ago  

rewind2846: No. The only thing this proves is that we need fewer guns here.


So you really think that if there are fewer guns that a dedicated psycho who wants to shoot up a place will just throw up his hands and take up needle point?
 
4 days ago  

Spermbot: NEDM: California, which did use one of its gun registries to go door to door confiscating guns.

[citation needed]


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0​2​/19/california-gun-confiscation_n_2717​809.html


They also have the option to do it for more people:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/​2​015/dec/29/california-gun-violence-res​training-order-law-goin/
 
4 days ago  

potterydove: Yet Switzerland has similar per capita private gun ownership, but much lower crime rates. The problem is cultural. Stop blaming inanimate objects.


I didn't blame guns. I distinctly blamed culture.
" It is that fetishistic desire which causes the sickness here, a societal sickness that will erupt into incidents like this one."
Work on your reading comprehension.
 
4 days ago  

The_Sponge: durbnpoisn: Keyser_Soze_Death: durbnpoisn: Keyser_Soze_Death: durbnpoisn: Markoff_Cheney: Columbine was the first big one in my lifetime, and it seemed like we didn't have another for a long stretch after that.  People aren't even talking about Vegas any more, I remember Columbine being front page news for 3+ months straight around here.

It wasn't just your lifetime.  That was the first time it ever happened.

Prior to that no one had ever considered shooting up a school.

[images.gr-assets.com image 308x475]

No one... Ever.

//Does 2 seconds of research...

Ok.  I stand corrected.
I don't think that exactly qualifies as a mass shooting by Columbine standards.

1966 University of Texas tower shooting (15 killed 32 injured)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universi​ty_of_Texas_tower_shooting

1922 Bath School disaster (44 killed 58 injured)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_Sch​ool_disaster


Harry Chapin wrote a song about that top one.

Anyway...  Thanks, everyone, for proving how completely wrong I was that Columbine was the most screwed up thing that had happened up to that time.  You've done tons to restore my faith in humanity.

So let's just say, it's the first time ever that a couple of students, together, got a hold of a bunch of semi-automatic weapons, shot up a school, mostly students died, and then they killed themselves.

I'm pretty that's the first time THAT happened.

Side note:  Columbine took place during Bill Clinton's ban on "assault weapons".


Man dies of flu the day after penecillin invented.
 
4 days ago  

Mugato: So you really think that if there are fewer guns that a dedicated psycho who wants to shoot up a place will just throw up his hands and take up needle point?


If there are fewer guns total, they will be harder to get, more difficult to steal, and therefore less likely to be used to kill other people.
I cannot shoot you with a gun that does not exist.
But of course the gun manufacturers and their NRA lobbyists will not let that happen. Incidents like this one are what their shareholders live for.
 
4 days ago  
How high do we have to stack the bodies, before we do something?
 
4 days ago  

bluejeansonfire: The_Sponge:Really?  Because this is what I constantly hear from your side:

1) We need to ban "assault weapons"!
2) We need to ban "high capacity" magazines!
3) We need to make it very costly to be a gun owner!
4) We need a ban like Australia!

...and that is why we don't trust your side at all.

Your "side" has absolutely no standing to demand anything. None whatsoever. You have no right to act like there's any good reason for America to keep guns anymore.

Shut the fark up and let the adults talk.


{Massive eyeroll}
 
4 days ago  

rewind2846: Mugato: So you really think that if there are fewer guns that a dedicated psycho who wants to shoot up a place will just throw up his hands and take up needle point?

If there are fewer guns total, they will be harder to get, more difficult to steal, and therefore less likely to be used to kill other people.
I cannot shoot you with a gun that does not exist.
But of course the gun manufacturers and their NRA lobbyists will not let that happen. Incidents like this one are what their shareholders live for.


Gun grabber:

"Nobody wants to take your guns away."
 
4 days ago  

Frederf: The_Sponge: durbnpoisn: Keyser_Soze_Death: durbnpoisn: Keyser_Soze_Death: durbnpoisn: Markoff_Cheney: Columbine was the first big one in my lifetime, and it seemed like we didn't have another for a long stretch after that.  People aren't even talking about Vegas any more, I remember Columbine being front page news for 3+ months straight around here.

It wasn't just your lifetime.  That was the first time it ever happened.

Prior to that no one had ever considered shooting up a school.

[images.gr-assets.com image 308x475]

No one... Ever.

//Does 2 seconds of research...

Ok.  I stand corrected.
I don't think that exactly qualifies as a mass shooting by Columbine standards.

1966 University of Texas tower shooting (15 killed 32 injured)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universi​ty_of_Texas_tower_shooting

1922 Bath School disaster (44 killed 58 injured)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_Sch​ool_disaster


Harry Chapin wrote a song about that top one.

Anyway...  Thanks, everyone, for proving how completely wrong I was that Columbine was the most screwed up thing that had happened up to that time.  You've done tons to restore my faith in humanity.

So let's just say, it's the first time ever that a couple of students, together, got a hold of a bunch of semi-automatic weapons, shot up a school, mostly students died, and then they killed themselves.

I'm pretty that's the first time THAT happened.

Side note:  Columbine took place during Bill Clinton's ban on "assault weapons".

Man dies of flu the day after penecillin invented.


The ban passed in 1994, Columbine took place in 1999.  Try again.
 
4 days ago  

bluejeansonfire: I hope I see a gun-free United States in my lifetime. But I'm not stupid enough to hold my breath about that.


About that...

Fark guns.

You wish.
 
4 days ago  

Trucker: How high do we have to stack the bodies, before we do something?


Being dishonest by implying that nothing is done is a great way to get people to take you seriously.
 
4 days ago  

rewind2846: Mugato: So you really think that if there are fewer guns that a dedicated psycho who wants to shoot up a place will just throw up his hands and take up needle point?

If there are fewer guns total, they will be harder to get, more difficult to steal, and therefore less likely to be used to kill other people.
I cannot shoot you with a gun that does not exist.
But of course the gun manufacturers and their NRA lobbyists will not let that happen. Incidents like this one are what their shareholders live for.


Just like drugs.  Make them illegal, there will be less around and fewer people will get them.
 
4 days ago  

pedrop357: kling_klang_bed: Trump and Fox News anxiously awaiting the race and religion of the gunman before weighing in, which is why Pence got shoved to the front to comment first.

Unlike all the gun control supporters which never concern themselves with the race or religion of a shooter.


Because we've said the exact same thing all across the board, whether it's a Muslim couple gunning down people in CA or a gay nightclub, a black gunman shooting cops in Dallas, or a white person gunning up a black church, elementary school or 500+ people at a country concert. So which is it on Trump's Twitter now? "Legislation, legislation, ban 'em all, I was right!" (Muslim) or "thoughts and prayers. Too soon to talk about gun control" (white guy)?
 
4 days ago  

durbnpoisn: Markoff_Cheney: Columbine was the first big one in my lifetime, and it seemed like we didn't have another for a long stretch after that.  People aren't even talking about Vegas any more, I remember Columbine being front page news for 3+ months straight around here.

It wasn't just your lifetime.  That was the first time it ever happened.

Prior to that no one had ever considered shooting up a school.


Enoch Brown School Massacre says what?

/school shootings go WAY back.
 
4 days ago  

rewind2846: pottery


rewind2846: potterydove: Yet Switzerland has similar per capita private gun ownership, but much lower crime rates. The problem is cultural. Stop blaming inanimate objects.

I didn't blame guns. I distinctly blamed culture.
" It is that fetishistic desire [

for/to what ]which causes the sickness here, a societal sickness that will erupt into incidents like this one."
Work on your reading comprehension.


I'd love to, if you would actually be specific instead of using weasel words. If you mean to own guns, that's horse hockey and you know it.
 
4 days ago  

pedrop357: edmo: Mugato: Donald Trump's Latest Tweet: Mugato: Ferreira said he heard gunfire for over 20 minutes

20 minutes and only "at least" three dead? That's not only poor reporting that they can't accurately count corpses, that's poor mass shooting to get only three people in 20 minutes.

We're sorry that we don't have a good mass shooting for you today. Would you like a rain check?

I'm just tired of everyone shiatting themselves every time there's a shooting when there's nothing we can do about it. They're not going to change legislation, the cops are useless (one might have shot the last guy, kudos), so why keep up the same tired argument?

Because 16,000 people shouldn't have to die every year because you're "tired?"

Where do you get 16,000 people a year?


He's throwing suicides and ADs in.
 
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pedrop357: rewind2846: Mugato: So you really think that if there are fewer guns that a dedicated psycho who wants to shoot up a place will just throw up his hands and take up needle point?

If there are fewer guns total, they will be harder to get, more difficult to steal, and therefore less likely to be used to kill other people.
I cannot shoot you with a gun that does not exist.
But of course the gun manufacturers and their NRA lobbyists will not let that happen. Incidents like this one are what their shareholders live for.

Just like drugs.  Make them illegal, there will be less around and fewer people will get them.


yup, and since we have ultra secure borders, we don't have to worry about a violent black market gun industry cropping up like in Australia.
 
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