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4 days ago  

anustart: ThatGuyOverThere: The lawfully inclined are not currently inclined to be felons, obtain guns illegally, kill their neighbors, go on shooting sprees, murder innocents, and engage in firefights with police.
We do, in fact, already have laws against all those things. Our society has spoken pretty clearly on the matter.
I blame people who are soft on crime. Make the penalty for committing a gun crime so horrible that nobody will want to do it.

The deep and serious flaw with this logic is that a huge proportion of gun violence is committed on the spur of the moment, in a fit of uncontrolled anger.


This must explain the huge swings in homicide from area to area in Chicago and the gulf between San Francisco and Oakland.  Far more impulsive, uncontrolled, anger driven people in Oakland, CA then in San Francisco or the Englewood area of Chicago vs pretty much every other area.

They aren't premeditated acts by career criminals, (even though the NRA actively wants you to think your biggest gun danger comes from scary colored-types wandering about in roving gangs terrorizing decent white folk), they are just people who snap. They are probably very much otherwise "lawfully inclined". All the tough-on-crime sentencing in the world isn't going to help that.


Is this some kind of joke?

The good news is that we have known PREDICTORS for those people...domestic violence histories, stalking episodes, serious mental illnesses, etc.  Those predictors can help us spot those risks and mitigate them.

Yes, some mass shooters have had actual convictions that went unreported or their subsequent violations of laws were ignored.  A more basic focus on reporting violations and locking up repeat offenders could have saved quite a few lives in recent weeks.
 
4 days ago  

bluejeansonfire: The_Sponge:Really?  Because this is what I constantly hear from your side:

1) We need to ban "assault weapons"!
2) We need to ban "high capacity" magazines!
3) We need to make it very costly to be a gun owner!
4) We need a ban like Australia!

...and that is why we don't trust your side at all.

Your "side" has absolutely no standing to demand anything. None whatsoever. You have no right to act like there's any good reason for America to keep guns anymore.

Shut the fark up and let the adults talk.


Is this how the conversation starts?
 
4 days ago  

SurelyShirley: According to "Guns & Ammo", best states for gun owners:
8th: Texas (25 dead in recent shooting)
25th: Nevada (58 dead in recent shooting)
46th: California (5 dead in recent shooting)

Statistics don't lie. Guncontrol works. 'Bout time jackbooted thugs knock down some doors and grab guns & ammo (not the magazine).
If we only had a prednisone who cared about the 'murcan people.


This is not how statistics work.
 
4 days ago  

pedrop357: bluejeansonfire: The_Sponge:Really?  Because this is what I constantly hear from your side:

1) We need to ban "assault weapons"!
2) We need to ban "high capacity" magazines!
3) We need to make it very costly to be a gun owner!
4) We need a ban like Australia!

...and that is why we don't trust your side at all.

Your "side" has absolutely no standing to demand anything. None whatsoever. You have no right to act like there's any good reason for America to keep guns anymore.

Shut the fark up and let the adults talk.

Is this how the conversation starts?


Yes. If you shut up (by not voting at all), then we can have some reasonable gun control in this country, and by reasonable he means "ban and confiscate all of them".

Surely his cunning plan cannot fail.
 
4 days ago  

bluejeansonfire: Your "side" has absolutely no standing to demand anything. None whatsoever. You have no right to act like there's any good reason for America to keep guns anymore.

Shut the fark up and let the adults talk.


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4 days ago  

bluejeansonfire: Repeal the 2nd. Confiscate and ban. We're children who can't be trusted with our stupid little toys, so we need to take them all away.

I hope I see a gun-free United States in my lifetime. But I'm not stupid enough to hold my breath about that.

Fark guns.


I hope to see the Democratic party make this part of their platform.
 
4 days ago  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: vrax: ThatGuyOverThere: The lawfully inclined are not currently inclined to be felons, obtain guns illegally, kill their neighbors, go on shooting sprees, murder innocents, and engage in firefights with police.
We do, in fact, already have laws against all those things. Our society has spoken pretty clearly on the matter.

However, there are things we can do.  The Las Vegas shooter purchased a large number of rifles, but because only purchases of handguns get reported, he went under the radar.  These "little" things are what need to be shored up and reported as do stringent universal background checks for all transfers of ownership.  And fark the NRA and other assholes, we need a national database so these things can be done with efficiency instead of being stuck back in the dark ages.

I think the best thing we can do is to deny ANY public funding to the NRA and its subsidiaries from any level of government.

Since the NRA thinks law enforcement officers are jack-booted thugs, they have no business being paid to train law enforcement officers or citizens.

They can do so on the private dime.


This is an thread about some nutjob shooter.. not the NRA or legal firearm ownership. The NRA doesn't think law enforcement are jack-booted thugs.. that's just your fantasy.
 
4 days ago  

bluejeansonfire: You have no right to act like there's any good reason for America to keep guns anymore.


Since 'good reason' is a completely subjective measure, your point is worthless.  For myself, I consider my ability to hunt and put meat in the freezer is a very good reason to keep guns in America.  YMMV.
 
4 days ago  
http://time.com/4501670/bombings-of-a​m​erica-burrough/

Focus on the mentality, rather than the tool.  Conflict resolution and critical thinking - skillsets that are increasingly difficult to find in younger generations.
 
4 days ago  

bluejeansonfire: Repeal the 2nd. Confiscate and ban. We're children who can't be trusted with our stupid little toys, so we need to take them all away.

I hope I see a gun-free United States in my lifetime. But I'm not stupid enough to hold my breath about that.

Fark guns.



You're new to this whole trolling thing, aren't you?  One of your kids must have told you about it, and this must be your first time.

Bless your heart.
 
4 days ago  
Remember folks there are only about 40 more potential mass shootings till Xmas.

/Happy Holidays!
 
4 days ago  

penetrating_virga: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: vrax: ThatGuyOverThere: The lawfully inclined are not currently inclined to be felons, obtain guns illegally, kill their neighbors, go on shooting sprees, murder innocents, and engage in firefights with police.
We do, in fact, already have laws against all those things. Our society has spoken pretty clearly on the matter.

However, there are things we can do.  The Las Vegas shooter purchased a large number of rifles, but because only purchases of handguns get reported, he went under the radar.  These "little" things are what need to be shored up and reported as do stringent universal background checks for all transfers of ownership.  And fark the NRA and other assholes, we need a national database so these things can be done with efficiency instead of being stuck back in the dark ages.

I think the best thing we can do is to deny ANY public funding to the NRA and its subsidiaries from any level of government.

Since the NRA thinks law enforcement officers are jack-booted thugs, they have no business being paid to train law enforcement officers or citizens.

They can do so on the private dime.

This is an thread about some nutjob shooter.. not the NRA or legal firearm ownership. The NRA doesn't think law enforcement are jack-booted thugs.. that's just your fantasy.


Apparently the NRA's in/around 1993 about the ATF and their 25 year (at the time) pattern of abuse means they think that way today.   If we ignore all the things that led to Congressional findings in 1982 excoriating the ATF for brazenly abusive tactics as well as their actions that led to Ruby Ridge and Waco, then the NRA is just calling names for no reason.

Also, Jiro is very concerned about how law enforcement officers might be regarded, very concerned.
 
4 days ago  

DeathByGeekSquad: Focus on the mentality, rather than the tool.  Conflict resolution and critical thinking - skillsets that are increasingly difficult to find in younger generations.


Stephen Paddock was 64 years old so maybe pump the brakes on your bullsh*t psychoanalysis, Freud.
 
4 days ago  

pedrop357: Apparently the NRA's

comments in/around 1993 about the ATF

FTFM
 
4 days ago  

SurelyShirley: According to "Guns & Ammo", best states for gun owners:
8th: Texas (25 dead in recent shooting)
25th: Nevada (58 dead in recent shooting)
46th: California (5 dead in recent shooting)

Statistics don't lie. Guncontrol works. 'Bout time jackbooted thugs knock down some doors and grab guns & ammo (not the magazine).
If we only had a prednisone who cared about the 'murcan people.


Just stay outta Texas Smashburgers and you'll be okay. I think their like the Friars Club and jackets. If you don't have an AR15, they'll loan you one so you can be seated.

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4 days ago  

Dusk-You-n-Me: DeathByGeekSquad: Focus on the mentality, rather than the tool.  Conflict resolution and critical thinking - skillsets that are increasingly difficult to find in younger generations.

Stephen Paddock was 64 years old so maybe pump the brakes on your bullsh*t psychoanalysis, Freud.


Yes, he is clearly representative of the vast majority of murderers in this country.  Ignore the stats showing that it's young men, and disproportionately young black men committing much of the violent crime in this country.
 
4 days ago  

pedrop357: Yes, he is clearly representative of the vast majority of murderers in this country.  Ignore the stats showing that it's young men, and disproportionately young black men committing much of the violent crime in this country.


Yeah a couple centuries of white supremacy will do that.
 
4 days ago  

GoldSpider: Dr Jack Badofsky: HumanSVD: Markoff_Cheney: I sneezed and 200 posts happened...

Gun threads always blow up

Sorry.  It was the grenade launcher / fragmentation bombs that I bought at the local Harbor Freight.

If you buy anything at Harbor Freight intending to use it more than once, well buddy, that's on you.


Uhh, how many times are YOU able to use a bomb?
 
4 days ago  

HumanSVD: vrax: ThatGuyOverThere: The lawfully inclined are not currently inclined to be felons, obtain guns illegally, kill their neighbors, go on shooting sprees, murder innocents, and engage in firefights with police.
We do, in fact, already have laws against all those things. Our society has spoken pretty clearly on the matter.

However, there are things we can do.  The Las Vegas shooter purchased a large number of rifles, but because only purchases of handguns get reported, he went under the radar.  These "little" things are what need to be shored up and reported as do stringent universal background checks for all transfers of ownership.  And fark the NRA and other assholes, we need a national database so these things can be done with efficiency instead of being stuck back in the dark ages.

No.


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4 days ago  

vrax: However, there are things we can do.  The Las Vegas shooter purchased a large number of rifles, but because only purchases of handguns get reported, he went under the radar.  These "little" things are what need to be shored up and reported as do stringent universal background checks for all transfers of ownership.  And fark the NRA and other assholes, we need a national database so these things can be done with efficiency instead of being stuck back in the dark ages.


1) It's neat that you think the vegas shooter had a "large" collection of anything. He didn't. He had a good start.
2) He purchased his rifles via background checks. He purchased them over time, not all at once, so he wouldn't have set off any alarms anyway. 12 rifles in 20 years is ... well it's not a lot if you do a lot of shooting
3) despite popular opinion, registries DO lead to confiscations and a few years back congress had to pass a law about confiscations during states of emergency, which was overwhelmingly approved, in bipartisan fashion. No registries. no thanks.
4) if you meant a database of prohibited people... you can actually thank the NRA for the NICS system that the ATF uses. They forced adoption of NICS to get rid of discretionary waiting periods. They've been promoting enhancing NICS to include mental health for years. A lot of states/cities are too lazy to actually submit their stuff though, and that's on them, not on every other innocent person in the country.

Mugato: ThatGuyOverThere: No Way! People with big hands get cut open by the ppk and it's weak. The p99 is FAR better, as is the PP* series that came after it.

The P99 looks too much like a generic Glock. The PPK has more style.


blasphemy!
The p99 had a grip designed by a guy who made custom grips for olympic shooters. Glocks were entirely designed by a guy who made curtain rods, and it shows. the slide design on the p99 was much more streamlined than anything glock has EVER put out. it was so far ahead of its time that it took a good 20 years before other companies started going what it had already done. Some day I'll get around to putting a couple of old ppk series guns in my safe because they're nice... but I will probably always prefer the ppqm1 over just about anything else out there.

carkiller: ... And then those guys are immediately outliers, unless, let's be honest, they're young and black or brown, and then, the narrative goes, it's typical and just goes to show you how some people are.
...  But for fark's sake, can we just figure out some goddam way to communicate strong feelings to each other other than hot flying lead?  It's barbaric and tragic and I'm farking sick of it.

First off, I resemble that remark...
Second off... yes, people who suddenly go violent actually ARE outliers, regardless of their color.
Third... I agree with the last bit. I have no idea what happened to society that people suddenly think it's okay that they should go killing innocent folks to vent their frustrations. It's not. It never will be. Blaming guns and taking them away is the easy reflex, but it doesn't address the root cause and it won't be effective. If we lived in a utopia where nobody would ever be violent, i'd absolutely give up my guns, or at least be good with restrictions to target/hunting/etc use. However, this is not that utopia and I can not advocate disarming good people in a misguided attempt to stop crazy people from doing crazy things.
Fix crazy, don't screw over everybody.
 
4 days ago  
The people who protest in front of doctors offices and health clinics because somehow a woman getting healthcare = murder, why aren't they protesting in front of gun manufacturers and shops?

Oh, yeah, that's right. Because they're full of shiat.
 
4 days ago  

pedrop357: SurelyShirley: According to "Guns & Ammo", best states for gun owners:
8th: Texas (25 dead in recent shooting)
25th: Nevada (58 dead in recent shooting)
46th: California (5 dead in recent shooting)

Statistics don't lie. Guncontrol works. 'Bout time jackbooted thugs knock down some doors and grab guns & ammo (not the magazine).
If we only had a prednisone who cared about the 'murcan people.

This is not how statistics work.


That is definitely how statistics work. Only three data points from a firearms publication is all we need to repeal the second and fourth amendments.
 
4 days ago  

Donald Trump's Latest Tweet: Mugato: Ferreira said he heard gunfire for over 20 minutes

20 minutes and only "at least" three dead? That's not only poor reporting that they can't accurately count corpses, that's poor mass shooting to get only three people in 20 minutes.

We're sorry that we don't have a good mass shooting for you today. Would you like a rain check?


I'm just tired of everyone shiatting themselves every time there's a shooting when there's nothing we can do about it. They're not going to change legislation, the cops are useless (one might have shot the last guy, kudos), so why keep up the same tired argument?
 
4 days ago  

ThatGuyOverThere: Mugato: ThatGuyOverThere: No Way! People with big hands get cut open by the ppk and it's weak. The p99 is FAR better, as is the PP* series that came after it.

The P99 looks too much like a generic Glock. The PPK has more style.


blasphemy!
The p99 had a grip designed by a guy who made custom grips for olympic shooters. Glocks were entirely designed by a guy who made curtain rods, and it shows. the slide design on the p99 was much more streamlined than anything glock has EVER put out. it was so far ahead of its time that it took a good 20 years before other companies started going what it had already done. Some day I'll get around to putting a couple of old ppk series guns in my safe because they're nice... but I will probably always prefer the ppqm1 over just about anything else out there.


Ok, I defer to your superior knowledge on the subject. I just like to play James Bond.
 
4 days ago  

mcmnky: The people who protest in front of doctors offices and health clinics because somehow a woman getting healthcare = murder, why aren't they protesting in front of gun manufacturers and shops?

Oh, yeah, that's right. Because they're full of shiat.



Yeah!  And why don't people protest in front of bars, breweries, and distilleries?  Because we have too many drunk driving deaths in our country.

You know why that doesn't happen?

Because it is a dumb idea...just like your idea.
 
4 days ago  

Perlin Noise: Pet_Peve: I would like to know how outlawing guns would be anymore effective than outlawing drugs has been.

Well, lets start with the idea that the only thing they would have in common would be being illegal to posses, etc. So, if that's the only thing in common, we can make the exact same comparison to anything else illegal, like child porn. So, I take it you don't think it's worth the effort to try to minimize child porn by making it illegal?


/I'm so tired of the "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" argument. It's really really stupid.


The thing about child pornography is the simple act of possessing it requires the harming of a child - and you're an accessory to that harm by consuming the product.

Simple possession of marijuana or a gun does not inherently victimize someone.  There's no victim in me possessing a gun, while there has to be a victim for you to possess child pornography.

That's why the law argument is stupid. "Well let's just get rid of murder laws then! Hurr, deer!"

No, because murder has a victim.

While me possessing a gun has no victim, and passing these laws just creates criminals of the otherwise law abiding.
 
4 days ago  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: SurelyShirley: According to "Guns & Ammo", best states for gun owners:
8th: Texas (25 dead in recent shooting)
25th: Nevada (58 dead in recent shooting)
46th: California (5 dead in recent shooting)

Statistics don't lie. Guncontrol works. 'Bout time jackbooted thugs knock down some doors and grab guns & ammo (not the magazine).
If we only had a prednisone who cared about the 'murcan people.

Just stay outta Texas Smashburgers and you'll be okay. I think their like the Friars Club and jackets. If you don't have an AR15, they'll loan you one so you can be seated.

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This is not normal.
 
4 days ago  

Thingster: Perlin Noise: Pet_Peve: I would like to know how outlawing guns would be anymore effective than outlawing drugs has been.

Well, lets start with the idea that the only thing they would have in common would be being illegal to posses, etc. So, if that's the only thing in common, we can make the exact same comparison to anything else illegal, like child porn. So, I take it you don't think it's worth the effort to try to minimize child porn by making it illegal?


/I'm so tired of the "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" argument. It's really really stupid.

The thing about child pornography is the simple act of possessing it requires the harming of a child - and you're an accessory to that harm by consuming the product.

Simple possession of marijuana or a gun does not inherently victimize someone.  There's no victim in me possessing a gun, while there has to be a victim for you to possess child pornography.

That's why the law argument is stupid. "Well let's just get rid of murder laws then! Hurr, deer!"

No, because murder has a victim.

While me possessing a gun has no victim, and passing these laws just creates criminals of the otherwise law abiding.



And a smart vote for you.

We have laws against rape/murder/assault/etc.  because those actions involve one person harming another.

How am I harming someone just because I own certain firearms and magazines that seem to rustle the jimmies of every gun grabber out there?
 
4 days ago  

anustart: ThatGuyOverThere: The lawfully inclined are not currently inclined to be felons, obtain guns illegally, kill their neighbors, go on shooting sprees, murder innocents, and engage in firefights with police.
We do, in fact, already have laws against all those things. Our society has spoken pretty clearly on the matter.
I blame people who are soft on crime. Make the penalty for committing a gun crime so horrible that nobody will want to do it.

The deep and serious flaw with this logic is that a huge proportion of gun violence is committed on the spur of the moment, in a fit of uncontrolled anger. They aren't premeditated acts by career criminals, (even though the NRA actively wants you to think your biggest gun danger comes from scary colored-types wandering about in roving gangs terrorizing decent white folk), they are just people who snap. They are probably very much otherwise "lawfully inclined". All the tough-on-crime sentencing in the world isn't going to help that.

The good news is that we have known PREDICTORS for those people...domestic violence histories, stalking episodes, serious mental illnesses, etc.  Those predictors can help us spot those risks and mitigate them.


Good news; domestic violence histories, stalking episodes, and serious mental illness are actually CURRENTLY reasons why people can't own guns. Not just "can't buy new" but can't receive, possess, purchase, transfer firearms, ammunition, or any component of ammunition, right down to a piece of used brass. and also must get rid of once charged or convicted, depending on the details.
We don't need more laws, we need to "encourage" cities/states/prosecutors to make better use of the laws we already have. That's where my call for stiffer penalties comes into play. Rob a store with a gun? That's a felony gun crime. Do not bargain it down to misdemeanor anything in exchange for tossing out the gun charge. Considering how many people are repeat offenders, it really won't take long for the problem people to be taken out of circulation. Crime goes with them. If you can't function in polite society, you shouldn't be in polite society. period.
 
4 days ago  

ThatGuyOverThere: 1) It's neat that you think the vegas shooter had a "large" collection of anything. He didn't. He had a good start.
2) He purchased his rifles via background checks. He purchased them over time, not all at once, so he wouldn't have set off any alarms anyway. 12 rifles in 20 years is ... well it's not a lot if you do a lot of shooting
3) despite popular opinion, registries DO lead to confiscations and a few years back congress had to pass a law about confiscations during states of emergency, which was overwhelmingly approved, in bipartisan fashion. No registries. no thanks.
4) if you meant a database of prohibited people... you can actually thank the NRA for the NICS system that the ATF uses. They forced adoption of NICS to get rid of discretionary waiting periods. They've been promoting enhancing NICS to include mental health for years. A lot of states/cities are too lazy to actually submit their stuff though, and that's on them, not on every other innocent person in the country.


Considering you are so full of shiat,  I'm just going to flag you as full of shiat.

"Some of Paddock's gun purchases date back more than 20 years, but authorities have determined that more than 30 of the firearms were acquired in the past 12 months, the official said."

Most of those were rifles.  Thanks for playing.
 
4 days ago  
Trump and Fox News anxiously awaiting the race and religion of the gunman before weighing in, which is why Pence got shoved to the front to comment first.
 
4 days ago  

Dusk-You-n-Me: pedrop357: Yes, he is clearly representative of the vast majority of murderers in this country.  Ignore the stats showing that it's young men, and disproportionately young black men committing much of the violent crime in this country.

Yeah a couple centuries of white supremacy will do that.


Well that's been gone quite a while unless you want to tell us that a white supremacist country elected a half-black person for two terms as president.

Note, I saw "half-black" because he was, and from what I've read of white supremacists in the past, that was worse than being black in their eyes.   Words like "mongrelization" , "Race mixing", etc. were tossed at people who merely associated with people of other races, and mixed race babies were worse in their eyes.

White supremacists seemed to 'tolerate' black people as long as they stayed on "their side" or in "their place", but had no such tolerance for babies from mixed couples.  On a side note, black people weren't too fond of half-white babies either.

The election of Obama should have done away with this idea that the US is a "White Supremacist" country for good.  White Supremacist countries do not have non-white leaders in every level of government, and holding positions of significant power.
 
4 days ago  

kling_klang_bed: Trump and Fox News anxiously awaiting the race and religion of the gunman before weighing in, which is why Pence got shoved to the front to comment first.


Unlike all the gun control supporters which never concern themselves with the race or religion of a shooter.
 
4 days ago  

pedrop357: Well that's been gone quite a while unless you want to tell us that a white supremacist country elected a half-black person for two terms as president.

Note, I saw "half-black" because he was, and from what I've read of white supremacists in the past, that was worse than being black in their eyes.   Words like "mongrelization" , "Race mixing", etc. were tossed at people who merely associated with people of other races, and mixed race babies were worse in their eyes.

White supremacists seemed to 'tolerate' black people as long as they stayed on "their side" or in "their place", but had no such tolerance for babies from mixed couples.  On a side note, black people weren't too fond of half-white babies either.

The election of Obama should have done away with this idea that the US is a "White Supremacist" country for good.  White Supremacist countries do not have non-white leaders in every level of government, and holding positions of significant power.


I'm not going to explain America's white supremacy to you. Read a book.
 
4 days ago  

The_Sponge: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: I think the best thing we can do is to deny ANY public funding to the NRA and its subsidiaries from any level of government.

Since the NRA thinks law enforcement officers are jack-booted thugs, they have no business being paid to train law enforcement officers or citizens.

They can do so on the private dime.

Name a current organization that can easily take over that void if that ever happened.


How about the American Psychiatric Association? I'm sure some members like to shoot, and it would have the added bonus of allowing us to weed out the applicants with mental health issues and also conduct large-scale studies that may be useful in the future for proposing ideas on how to reduce societal violence and nervousness among police personnel.
 
4 days ago  

ThatGuyOverThere: Fix crazy, don't screw over everybody.



I suppose, but that still kind of implies that "crazy" is this static, binary state, that either one is "crazy" or one isn't, and if one is, you fix it and then one isn't anymore.  To turn your own quote back on you, if we lived in a utopia where "crazy" could be fixed like that, I would absolutely feel a lot better about people owning guns if that's what they wanted to do.  However, this is not that utopia, and I can not advocate innocent people getting killed and wounded in a misguided attempt to let people who love machines designed to project lethal force unfettered access to machines designed to project lethal force.

You know what I mean?
 
4 days ago  

Mugato: ThatGuyOverThere: Mugato: ThatGuyOverThere: No Way! People with big hands get cut open by the ppk and it's weak. The p99 is FAR better, as is the PP* series that came after it.

The P99 looks too much like a generic Glock. The PPK has more style.


blasphemy!
The p99 had a grip designed by a guy who made custom grips for olympic shooters. Glocks were entirely designed by a guy who made curtain rods, and it shows. the slide design on the p99 was much more streamlined than anything glock has EVER put out. it was so far ahead of its time that it took a good 20 years before other companies started going what it had already done. Some day I'll get around to putting a couple of old ppk series guns in my safe because they're nice... but I will probably always prefer the ppqm1 over just about anything else out there.

Ok, I defer to your superior knowledge on the subject. I just like to play James Bond.


To be fair, I wanted the p99 long before they switched to it in james bond. james bond using it actually delayed my purchasing one because I didn't want people to think i bought it just because of james bond. If anything, NOIR heavily influenced my decision to get a P99 and a Beretta (92fs instead instead of a 34 though). That cartoon was awesome for realistic portrayal of guns. Now if only hollywood could catch up.
Also, I've had a few glocks and the grips fit my hand about as well as a brick fits your butthole. both hands with support still had me shooting worse than other guns, standing, off-hand only. sold them because I felt unsafe with them. Gen4/5 work better for me though, and I'll get one eventually.
If we had this talks a few weeks ago, I would have brought some walthers with me to florida, we could have shot on my day in StPete at the dali museum. But at a range... not at the museum.
 
4 days ago  

carkiller: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: SurelyShirley: According to "Guns & Ammo", best states for gun owners:
8th: Texas (25 dead in recent shooting)
25th: Nevada (58 dead in recent shooting)
46th: California (5 dead in recent shooting)

Statistics don't lie. Guncontrol works. 'Bout time jackbooted thugs knock down some doors and grab guns & ammo (not the magazine).
If we only had a prednisone who cared about the 'murcan people.

Just stay outta Texas Smashburgers and you'll be okay. I think their like the Friars Club and jackets. If you don't have an AR15, they'll loan you one so you can be seated.

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This is not normal.


I think the question is whether it's fine. And I think I both know the answer and need a cocktail.
 
4 days ago  

The_Sponge: Thingster: Perlin Noise: Pet_Peve: I would like to know how outlawing guns would be anymore effective than outlawing drugs has been.

Well, lets start with the idea that the only thing they would have in common would be being illegal to posses, etc. So, if that's the only thing in common, we can make the exact same comparison to anything else illegal, like child porn. So, I take it you don't think it's worth the effort to try to minimize child porn by making it illegal?


/I'm so tired of the "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" argument. It's really really stupid.

The thing about child pornography is the simple act of possessing it requires the harming of a child - and you're an accessory to that harm by consuming the product.

Simple possession of marijuana or a gun does not inherently victimize someone.  There's no victim in me possessing a gun, while there has to be a victim for you to possess child pornography.

That's why the law argument is stupid. "Well let's just get rid of murder laws then! Hurr, deer!"

No, because murder has a victim.

While me possessing a gun has no victim, and passing these laws just creates criminals of the otherwise law abiding.


And a smart vote for you.

We have laws against rape/murder/assault/etc.  because those actions involve one person harming another.

How am I harming someone just because I own certain firearms and magazines that seem to rustle the jimmies of every gun grabber out there?


Is not the constant terror that I expereince by knowing that you are able to have that arsenal a harm?
 
4 days ago  

Dimensio: The_Sponge: Thingster: Perlin Noise: Pet_Peve: I would like to know how outlawing guns would be anymore effective than outlawing drugs has been.

Well, lets start with the idea that the only thing they would have in common would be being illegal to posses, etc. So, if that's the only thing in common, we can make the exact same comparison to anything else illegal, like child porn. So, I take it you don't think it's worth the effort to try to minimize child porn by making it illegal?


/I'm so tired of the "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" argument. It's really really stupid.

The thing about child pornography is the simple act of possessing it requires the harming of a child - and you're an accessory to that harm by consuming the product.

Simple possession of marijuana or a gun does not inherently victimize someone.  There's no victim in me possessing a gun, while there has to be a victim for you to possess child pornography.

That's why the law argument is stupid. "Well let's just get rid of murder laws then! Hurr, deer!"

No, because murder has a victim.

While me possessing a gun has no victim, and passing these laws just creates criminals of the otherwise law abiding.


And a smart vote for you.

We have laws against rape/murder/assault/etc.  because those actions involve one person harming another.

How am I harming someone just because I own certain firearms and magazines that seem to rustle the jimmies of every gun grabber out there?

Is not the constant terror that I expereince by knowing that you are able to have that arsenal a harm?


Ha!

Nah...I'm pretty chill outside of gun threads.
 
4 days ago  

bluejeansonfire: Repeal the 2nd. Confiscate and ban. We're children who can't be trusted with our stupid little toys, so we need to take them all away.

I hope I see a gun-free United States in my lifetime. But I'm not stupid enough to hold my breath about that.

Fark guns.


Nope. Not going to happen.
 
4 days ago  

vrax: Considering you are so full of shiat,  I'm just going to flag you as full of shiat.

"Some of Paddock's gun purchases date back more than 20 years, but authorities have determined that more than 30 of the firearms were acquired in the past 12 months, the official said."

Most of those were rifles.  Thanks for playing.


My mistake. I hadn't read that before. Last I heard he had been "collecting" for 20 years. Even so 30 in a year is... not really abnormal. an average of 3 a month is ambitious for most folks (financially), but not at all unheard of.
The very first time I went to get a pistol purchase permit in michigan, the nice lady asked me how many permits I wanted. I said "well... just one. isn't that enough?" And she laughed, said I'd be back for more soon. I got a carry license instead so I didn't have to bother getting permits ahead of time (state rules).
When I have the cash and find good deals, I may buy 3-4+ at a time. Some retailers will even bundle 3-5 rifle lowers as a perk for buying a decent pistol. Since it's from a retailer, background checks are still needed though.
 
4 days ago  

vrax: HumanSVD: vrax: ThatGuyOverThere: The lawfully inclined are not currently inclined to be felons, obtain guns illegally, kill their neighbors, go on shooting sprees, murder innocents, and engage in firefights with police.
We do, in fact, already have laws against all those things. Our society has spoken pretty clearly on the matter.

However, there are things we can do.  The Las Vegas shooter purchased a large number of rifles, but because only purchases of handguns get reported, he went under the radar.  These "little" things are what need to be shored up and reported as do stringent universal background checks for all transfers of ownership.  And fark the NRA and other assholes, we need a national database so these things can be done with efficiency instead of being stuck back in the dark ages.

No.

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Not at all.
 
4 days ago  

Dimensio: The_Sponge: Thingster: Perlin Noise: Pet_Peve: I would like to know how outlawing guns would be anymore effective than outlawing drugs has been.

Well, lets start with the idea that the only thing they would have in common would be being illegal to posses, etc. So, if that's the only thing in common, we can make the exact same comparison to anything else illegal, like child porn. So, I take it you don't think it's worth the effort to try to minimize child porn by making it illegal?


/I'm so tired of the "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" argument. It's really really stupid.

The thing about child pornography is the simple act of possessing it requires the harming of a child - and you're an accessory to that harm by consuming the product.

Simple possession of marijuana or a gun does not inherently victimize someone.  There's no victim in me possessing a gun, while there has to be a victim for you to possess child pornography.

That's why the law argument is stupid. "Well let's just get rid of murder laws then! Hurr, deer!"

No, because murder has a victim.

While me possessing a gun has no victim, and passing these laws just creates criminals of the otherwise law abiding.


And a smart vote for you.

We have laws against rape/murder/assault/etc.  because those actions involve one person harming another.

How am I harming someone just because I own certain firearms and magazines that seem to rustle the jimmies of every gun grabber out there?

Is not the constant terror that I expereince by knowing that you are able to have that arsenal a harm?


dude, you REALLY need to start marking your sarcasm. I have you in pleasant blue. don't make me orange you.
 
4 days ago  

AdmirableSnackbar: I honestly have no sympathy for gun nuts and now assume that they love these mass shootings.


That's an incredibly stupid and insensitive thing to say. But you knew that when hit 'Enter', didn't you?
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  

hundreddollarman: See you guys at the next Fark Gun Thread™
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Stay low and keep in touch.
 
4 days ago  

hundreddollarman: See you guys at the next Fark Gun Thread™
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What's the over/under, timewise? Three weeks? Maybe two?

/nothing we can do, literally nothing
//prots and thayers
///tots and pears
 
4 days ago  

xalres: hundreddollarman: See you guys at the next Fark Gun Thread™
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What's the over/under, timewise? Three weeks? Maybe two?

/nothing we can do, literally nothing
//prots and thayers
///tots and pears


What steps should have been taken that would have stopped this shooting that California doesn't already have?
 
4 days ago  
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