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4 days ago  

pedrop357: AdmirableSnackbar: The_Sponge: AdmirableSnackbar: The_Sponge: AdmirableSnackbar: If you don't like the proposals coming from the other side then propose some ideas of your own. Otherwise you're simply being intransigent and the "want these to continue" absolutely applies.

Those proposals coming from your side are infringements on our rights.....and earlier, you claimed that your side didn't want that:

AdmirableSnackbar: One side wants to reduce violence and has means that don't infringe on your rights

At least be honest and say that you guys want to take our rights away.

You want a proposal?  How about cleaning up the background check system?  Because it FAILED before the shooting in Texas.

I don't want to take your rights away. But considering how disgusting I find your attitude towards guns I'm not going to advocate against that action either. I'd like to find a compromise that works but gun nuts refuse those every single time. You're choosing this path and hate where it leads. I'd think you'd want to try a different path but here you are. I'm not gonna cry for you, you cry enough for yourself and your guns while good people who aren't you die. So no sympathy.

Enjoy crowing about all these deaths and lives forever altered. I hope it's worth it for you.


You should see a therapist.

Yes there's clearly something wrong with me because I care more about human beings than guns.

You care more about gun control than you do saving lives.  Very few gun control proposals have any chance of stopping either day-to-day violence or spree/mass killers.  The ones that would actually work would require massive confiscation and a near police state to maintain compliance.
This is unworkable and a violation of rights.

That you can't see beyond gun control as a solution to reducing violence shows misguided you are.

Drug war violence, poverty, violent people being released over and over again.  Addressing these would begin doing wonders for the violent crime you're concerned ...


Yet, you'll keep voting for the people that won't do anything about those problems either, because any gun regulation is "stepping on your rights."
 
4 days ago  

Shakin_Haitian: Since you haven't shot anyone, we can extrapolate that no one has ever shot anyone.



Nope, but maybe it makes a case for why I don't want my rights taken away due to the actions of others.
 
4 days ago  

Dimensio: HumanSVD: Dimensio: HumanSVD: Dimensio: Pinner: Gun violence. No such thing. They just sit there.
Let's address people violence.

If we can narc on people that assault people sexually, we should be able to drop a dime on people that have violent tendencies or are too aggressive (and happen to own guns)

Difficulty: evidence suggests that even when that does happen no one in authority does anything. See the Texas church shooter (known problems that should have disqualified him from firearm ownership that were never properly reported), the Naval Yard shooter (at least two previous arrests for negligent firearm discharges that resulted in no charges being filed) or the Virginia Tech shooter (improperly filed court records which would have prevented him from legally purchasing a firearm had they been properly filed).

But government should be the one I who can only have semi automatic firearms. You kniw, that same goverment that shiats on the 4th, and the same government whose police agents fark people over all the time.

Yes. Gun control is clearly what is needed.

I do not advocate prohibiting civilian ownership of semi-automatic firearms. In fact, I have stated opposition to any gun control proposal that involves outright prohibition of any currently available firearm model. I would want a path to legal ownership for any currently available firearm type, with the government having a burden to justify rejecting ownership (as is the case with shall-issue based permitting systems).

I also recognize, however, that some level of firearm restrictions can reduce rates of violent crime.

Yes, like Mexico, where guns are illegal. Unicorn's and rainbows all around.

[img.fark.net image 850x624]

As if any single one of these weapons confiscated from Mexican cartels was not first bought using the gun show loophole and then smuggled over the border.

Do you have any idea how much legal arms we (The USA) sell to Mexico EVERY year, and how much of that goes walkabout when the recruits disappear to join the cartels?!  Why try smuggling them over the border when we hand delivery them by the crate!

http://www.jgspl.org/u-s-arms-exports​-​mexican-war-drugs-violation-arms-trade​-treaty/
 
4 days ago  

xalres: If you care more about an inanimate object than the lives of your fellow humans, you're a worthless garbage person who deserves neither respect nor consideration.


But enough about the prohibition of alcohol.
 
4 days ago  

xalres: If you care more about an inanimate object than the lives of your fellow humans, you're a worthless garbage person who deserves neither respect nor consideration.



If I dumped all of my firearms into Puget Sound this weekend, how many lives would that save?
 
4 days ago  

NEDM: The_Sponge: Of FFS. We're not Afghanistan. It seems like a lot of foreign media outlets are just creating hype.

It's almost like making every single instance of gun crime in the country international news paints an inaccurate picture.


Actually, making every single instance of gun crime in country international news would paint, kind of by its definition, a totally accurate picture.  And it would also be, in my opinion, an utterly appalling picture.
 
4 days ago  

NEDM: The_Sponge: Of FFS. We're not Afghanistan. It seems like a lot of foreign media outlets are just creating hype.

It's almost like making every single instance of gun crime in the country international news paints an inaccurate picture.


Wut?  Almost all gun crime is a paragraph in the back of a newspaper.  The only gun crime that makes more than local news is mass shootings.
 
4 days ago  

Trapper439: The_Sponge: 4) We need a ban like Australia!

...and that is why we don't trust your side at all.

As an Australian, that is why I don't get why my sister and her husband choose to live in the US. She lives in a relatively safe state (Connecticut), but she's still putting my niece and nephew in what I see as an inordinate amount of danger.

You zany 'Mericans going around shooting each other isn't cute. Why the fark do you love guns so much?


Says the guy who lives in a place where every critter that walks, crawls, or slithers is deadly to humans.
 
4 days ago  

Markoff_Cheney: Columbine was the first big one in my lifetime, and it seemed like we didn't have another for a long stretch after that.  People aren't even talking about Vegas any more, I remember Columbine being front page news for 3+ months straight around here.


The difficulty with Vegas is it's really hard to continue pushing a story when you have little to no news relating to it. The last article I saw was on the 11th I think and didn't really tell us anything we didn't know or guess. Guy had been losing money since 2015 and was probably depressed. That's it.

With Columbine, there was a number of issues to be had and discussed ad nauseam ranging from bullies to influence of video games to mental illness.

Vegas? Old man with no history of mental illness, very predictable, no manifestos or weird search history, described as 'vanilla' meaning no reason to like or dislike him, and ultimately there's still nothing remarkable about him up to the point of him shooting people. How do you draw that out for 3 months?
 
4 days ago  

pedrop357: AdmirableSnackbar: The_Sponge: AdmirableSnackbar: The_Sponge: AdmirableSnackbar: If you don't like the proposals coming from the other side then propose some ideas of your own. Otherwise you're simply being intransigent and the "want these to continue" absolutely applies.

Those proposals coming from your side are infringements on our rights.....and earlier, you claimed that your side didn't want that:

AdmirableSnackbar: One side wants to reduce violence and has means that don't infringe on your rights

At least be honest and say that you guys want to take our rights away.

You want a proposal?  How about cleaning up the background check system?  Because it FAILED before the shooting in Texas.

I don't want to take your rights away. But considering how disgusting I find your attitude towards guns I'm not going to advocate against that action either. I'd like to find a compromise that works but gun nuts refuse those every single time. You're choosing this path and hate where it leads. I'd think you'd want to try a different path but here you are. I'm not gonna cry for you, you cry enough for yourself and your guns while good people who aren't you die. So no sympathy.

Enjoy crowing about all these deaths and lives forever altered. I hope it's worth it for you.


You should see a therapist.

Yes there's clearly something wrong with me because I care more about human beings than guns.

You care more about gun control than you do saving lives.  Very few gun control proposals have any chance of stopping either day-to-day violence or spree/mass killers.  The ones that would actually work would require massive confiscation and a near police state to maintain compliance.
This is unworkable and a violation of rights.

That you can't see beyond gun control as a solution to reducing violence shows misguided you are.

Drug war violence, poverty, violent people being released over and over again.  Addressing these would begin doing wonders for the violent crime you're concerned about.


Considering how many gun nuts vote Republican therefore against better education, socioeconomic mobility, and ending the war on drugs that would help reduce gun violence I find their (and by extension your) arguments about reducing gun violence disingenuous. They're giving those of us who care about human beings very few options.
 
4 days ago  

The_Sponge: Shakin_Haitian: Since you haven't shot anyone, we can extrapolate that no one has ever shot anyone.


Nope, but maybe it makes a case for why I don't want my rights taken away due to the actions of others.


Which is why I support the legalization of 1,000 rpm miniguns.
 
4 days ago  

Trapper439: As an Australian, that is why I don't get why my sister and her husband choose to live in the US.


You have trees whose leaves are literally neurotoxic, and you're wondering why your sister chooses to live someplace else?
 
4 days ago  

This text is now purple: eiger: pedrop357: You seem to be unaware of California laws when putting your option 3 forward.

Good thing we have customs posts at state borders. Otherwise arguments about particular states' gun laws would be kind of pointless.

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California does have inspection checkpoints at their state crossings.


California is its own country at this point.
 
4 days ago  

Shakin_Haitian: pedrop357: AdmirableSnackbar: The_Sponge: AdmirableSnackbar: The_Sponge: AdmirableSnackbar: If you don't like the proposals coming from the other side then propose some ideas of your own. Otherwise you're simply being intransigent and the "want these to continue" absolutely applies.

Those proposals coming from your side are infringements on our rights.....and earlier, you claimed that your side didn't want that:

AdmirableSnackbar: One side wants to reduce violence and has means that don't infringe on your rights

At least be honest and say that you guys want to take our rights away.

You want a proposal?  How about cleaning up the background check system?  Because it FAILED before the shooting in Texas.

I don't want to take your rights away. But considering how disgusting I find your attitude towards guns I'm not going to advocate against that action either. I'd like to find a compromise that works but gun nuts refuse those every single time. You're choosing this path and hate where it leads. I'd think you'd want to try a different path but here you are. I'm not gonna cry for you, you cry enough for yourself and your guns while good people who aren't you die. So no sympathy.

Enjoy crowing about all these deaths and lives forever altered. I hope it's worth it for you.


You should see a therapist.

Yes there's clearly something wrong with me because I care more about human beings than guns.

You care more about gun control than you do saving lives.  Very few gun control proposals have any chance of stopping either day-to-day violence or spree/mass killers.  The ones that would actually work would require massive confiscation and a near police state to maintain compliance.
This is unworkable and a violation of rights.

That you can't see beyond gun control as a solution to reducing violence shows misguided you are.

Drug war violence, poverty, violent people being released over and over again.  Addressing these would begin doing wonders for the violent crime you're concerned ...

Yet, you'll keep voting for the people that won't do anything about those problems either, because any gun regulation is "stepping on your rights."


I'd rather have my rights than have laws that aren't enforced by the people in charge.
 
4 days ago  

Shakin_Haitian: The_Sponge: Shakin_Haitian: Since you haven't shot anyone, we can extrapolate that no one has ever shot anyone.


Nope, but maybe it makes a case for why I don't want my rights taken away due to the actions of others.

Which is why I support the legalization of 1,000 rpm miniguns.



I've never pushed for that, but having one mounted on the top of my Jeep would be sweet!
 
4 days ago  

Dimensio: Omnidirectional Punching: Sure is a shame that once again there's absolutely nothing we could ever do to put a stop to gun violence.

If California had tough laws banning pistol grips and adjustable stocks on rifles then this shooting would not have happened.


Shut the actual fark up.  You can count the number of bodies that it took to make dry sarcasm on a mass shooting in a high gun control state infuriating.
 
4 days ago  

HumanSVD: Dimensio: HumanSVD: Dimensio: HumanSVD: Dimensio: Pinner: Gun violence. No such thing. They just sit there.
Let's address people violence.

If we can narc on people that assault people sexually, we should be able to drop a dime on people that have violent tendencies or are too aggressive (and happen to own guns)

Difficulty: evidence suggests that even when that does happen no one in authority does anything. See the Texas church shooter (known problems that should have disqualified him from firearm ownership that were never properly reported), the Naval Yard shooter (at least two previous arrests for negligent firearm discharges that resulted in no charges being filed) or the Virginia Tech shooter (improperly filed court records which would have prevented him from legally purchasing a firearm had they been properly filed).

But government should be the one I who can only have semi automatic firearms. You kniw, that same goverment that shiats on the 4th, and the same government whose police agents fark people over all the time.

Yes. Gun control is clearly what is needed.

I do not advocate prohibiting civilian ownership of semi-automatic firearms. In fact, I have stated opposition to any gun control proposal that involves outright prohibition of any currently available firearm model. I would want a path to legal ownership for any currently available firearm type, with the government having a burden to justify rejecting ownership (as is the case with shall-issue based permitting systems).

I also recognize, however, that some level of firearm restrictions can reduce rates of violent crime.

Yes, like Mexico, where guns are illegal. Unicorn's and rainbows all around.

[img.fark.net image 850x624]

As if any single one of these weapons confiscated from Mexican cartels was not first bought using the gun show loophole and then smuggled over the border.

Ha! You are aware illegal fully automatic weapons are everywhere south of border right? The entire part of South Ame ...


Hey buddy, remind me, does the US have the same issue as Mexico where drug cartels run amok in the street virtually unchallenged by the impotent government?
 
4 days ago  

Shakin_Haitian: Yet, you'll keep voting for the people that won't do anything about those problems either, because any gun regulation is "stepping on your rights."


How are you getting my voting records?

Also, how do I vote to address the disproportionate levels of violence and homicide in cities like St. Louis,
Kansas City, Detroit, Baltimore, New Orleans, Chicago, DC, Oakland, etc.?
Shouldn't the people leading those city's governments be the ones to work on that, followed by appropriate assistance from state lawmakers?

I will do what I can in my area (Las Vegas), but I live in unincorporated Clark County, so I don't have a voting influence on City of Las Vegas politics to deal with addressing the crime problems inherent to some areas of Las Vegas proper.

I vote at the state level who might do things to address some of the problems that are more general across the state, but most of the solutions will still need to come from city governments who control things like zoning, policing strategy, business tax policy, community outreach, etc.
 
4 days ago  

HumanSVD: AdmirableSnackbar: rummonkey: the fact that any kids are being airlifted to the hospital because of ANOTHER shooting is enough.

It's not enough. Gun nuts need MORE freedom!  More death for their death cult is needed.  This is what they want.

This is california. Not even close to a gun nut state. Also this was a gun free zone I am willing to bet.


the shooting took place in several locations not just at the school
 
4 days ago  

vrax: This text is now purple: Mild mannered dude steals neighbors truck, goes in rampage to school, which he shoots up from outside for 20 minutes, while apparently engaging multiple responding police.

Was he driving a Ferrari? Did he look like this?

[img.fark.net image 675x360]

Not any longer!

[img.fark.net image 450x251]


img.fark.net
Damnit!
 
4 days ago  

loki021376: Dimensio: HumanSVD: Dimensio: HumanSVD: Dimensio: Pinner: Gun violence. No such thing. They just sit there.
Let's address people violence.

If we can narc on people that assault people sexually, we should be able to drop a dime on people that have violent tendencies or are too aggressive (and happen to own guns)

Difficulty: evidence suggests that even when that does happen no one in authority does anything. See the Texas church shooter (known problems that should have disqualified him from firearm ownership that were never properly reported), the Naval Yard shooter (at least two previous arrests for negligent firearm discharges that resulted in no charges being filed) or the Virginia Tech shooter (improperly filed court records which would have prevented him from legally purchasing a firearm had they been properly filed).

But government should be the one I who can only have semi automatic firearms. You kniw, that same goverment that shiats on the 4th, and the same government whose police agents fark people over all the time.

Yes. Gun control is clearly what is needed.

I do not advocate prohibiting civilian ownership of semi-automatic firearms. In fact, I have stated opposition to any gun control proposal that involves outright prohibition of any currently available firearm model. I would want a path to legal ownership for any currently available firearm type, with the government having a burden to justify rejecting ownership (as is the case with shall-issue based permitting systems).

I also recognize, however, that some level of firearm restrictions can reduce rates of violent crime.

Yes, like Mexico, where guns are illegal. Unicorn's and rainbows all around.

[img.fark.net image 850x624]

As if any single one of these weapons confiscated from Mexican cartels was not first bought using the gun show loophole and then smuggled over the border.
Do you have any idea how much legal arms we (The USA) sell to Mexico EVERY year, and how much of that goes walkabout whe ...


HOLY CRAP, it's not by the crate, but by the TRAINLOAD!!!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/w​o​rldviews/wp/2015/06/15/whats-behind-me​xicos-military-buying-binge/?utm_term=​.c22c106d2cac
 
4 days ago  

pedrop357: Shakin_Haitian: Yet, you'll keep voting for the people that won't do anything about those problems either, because any gun regulation is "stepping on your rights."

How are you getting my voting records?

Also, how do I vote to address the disproportionate levels of violence and homicide in cities like St. Louis,
Kansas City, Detroit, Baltimore, New Orleans, Chicago, DC, Oakland, etc.?
Shouldn't the people leading those city's governments be the ones to work on that, followed by appropriate assistance from state lawmakers?

I will do what I can in my area (Las Vegas), but I live in unincorporated Clark County, so I don't have a voting influence on City of Las Vegas politics to deal with addressing the crime problems inherent to some areas of Las Vegas proper.

I vote at the state level who might do things to address some of the problems that are more general across the state, but most of the solutions will still need to come from city governments who control things like zoning, policing strategy, business tax policy, community outreach, etc.


So you don't care enough to actually get off your arse and do anything. Got it.
 
4 days ago  

AdmirableSnackbar: Considering how many gun nuts vote Republican therefore against better education, socioeconomic mobility, and ending the war on drugs that would help reduce gun violence I find their (and by extension your) arguments about reducing gun violence disingenuous. They're giving those of us who care about human beings very few options.


Yes, city, county, and even state governments have no control over education policy, community outreach, policing strategy, business and tax policy, zoning, etc. that would do a lot to address these problems.
 
4 days ago  
fark Denmark
 
4 days ago  

AdmirableSnackbar: But considering how disgusting I find your attitude towards guns



Disgusting how?

I have never bought or sold a firearm illegally.

I legally carry, and make sure not to enter places where it's banned when I do.

My firearms are usually locked up at home, and when friends bring their kids over, I go over a list and double-check that everything is locked away.

I don't practice open carry.

I've owned firearms since the age of 18, never handled them while I was drinking, and I've never used them to threaten a single person.

On the days I do carry...which is not most days, I'm actually a nicer person...I don't honk at other drivers when they are being idiots...or flip them off....because I want to avoid any and all trouble on those days.

I didn't receive my carry permit until my late 20s...because I finally felt I was ready.

How am I disgusting?
 
4 days ago  
It's not the guns we should ban; it's the stupidity we should ban. Starting with YOU (of course I'm not talking about you).
 
4 days ago  
If everyone involved had guns this never would have happened because we would live in a peaceful society.
 
4 days ago  

carkiller: Mikey1969: Don't come crying to me when your farking bullshiat comes back to bite you on the ass.

You're far, far down the list of people I plan to go crying about anything to, tough guy, so rest your troubled head.


Guns make the man. Enough guns make the leader. More than enough guns make targets of all of us.
 
4 days ago  

durbnpoisn: Keyser_Soze_Death: durbnpoisn: Markoff_Cheney: Columbine was the first big one in my lifetime, and it seemed like we didn't have another for a long stretch after that.  People aren't even talking about Vegas any more, I remember Columbine being front page news for 3+ months straight around here.

It wasn't just your lifetime.  That was the first time it ever happened.

Prior to that no one had ever considered shooting up a school.

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No one... Ever.

//Does 2 seconds of research...

Ok.  I stand corrected.
I don't think that exactly qualifies as a mass shooting by Columbine standards.


1966 University of Texas tower shooting (15 killed 32 injured)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univers​i​ty_of_Texas_tower_shooting

1922 Bath School disaster (44 killed 58 injured)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_Sc​h​ool_disaster
 
4 days ago  

This text is now purple: vrax: This text is now purple: Mild mannered dude steals neighbors truck, goes in rampage to school, which he shoots up from outside for 20 minutes, while apparently engaging multiple responding police.

Was he driving a Ferrari? Did he look like this?

[img.fark.net image 675x360]

Not any longer!

[img.fark.net image 450x251]

[img.fark.net image 400x222]
Damnit!


One of my fave movies from the 80s and, BTW, it's finally on Blu Ray as of last month and looks the best it ever has.
 
4 days ago  

Dadoody: fark Denmark



Icelandic-like typing detected.
 
4 days ago  

WayneKerr: It's not the guns we should ban; it's the stupidity we should ban. Starting with YOU (of course I'm not talking about you).


Which one sounds easier to you?
 
4 days ago  

xalres: So you don't care enough to actually get off your arse and do anything. Got it.


I vote for who I can vote for, donate to the charities that I think will help people with food and housing problems, etc. but I'm not traveling across the country to help New Orleans, St Louis or Baltimore fix their problems.
 
4 days ago  

pedrop357: Very few gun control proposals have any chance of stopping either day-to-day violence or spree/mass killers.  The ones that would actually work would require massive confiscation and a near police state to maintain compliance.
This is unworkable and a violation of rights.


Okay, here's one that puts the lie to that silly contention:  Remove the "boyfriend loophole" that allows people in more that 30 states (who only get charged with assault instead of domestic assault because they don't live with the victim) to avoid being blacklisted from firearms ownership. If you are convicted of assaulting a relative or romantic partner, your guns should go away. Period. The living arrangements shouldn't matter.

The majority of mass shooting perpetrators in the United States have a history of family violence and were not legally prevented from owning a firearm. A majority of mass shooting victims from 2009 to 2015 were an intimate partner, ex-partner, or other family member of the shooter.

Let's just look at women for example:
Between 1980 and 2008, 41.5 percent of murdered women were killed by a current or former husband or boyfriend, 30 percent were killed by an acquaintance, and 16.7 percent were killed by a family member. In other words, 88.2% of murdered women are killed by someone they know. In cases where a firearm was used at least some, if not most, of those events could have been prevented with this simple legal fix.

"Massive confiscation and a police state" my ass.  All you need is to actually understand the friggin' numbers and take a few glaringly obvious steps.
 
4 days ago  
The gun nuts have a great strategy here:
1. Establish the belief that it is somehow disrespectful to the victims to talk about gun violence for several days after a mass shooting.
2. Ensure that we never have more than a few days between mass shootings.
img.fark.net
 
4 days ago  

HumanSVD: Magorn: Sean M: If only it were illegal to kill someone... because laws um...stop people from doing things, right?

In seriousness, this crap HAS gone on.  It's with social media & the internet that we hear about every single incident now vs. in the past.  Flip through some old newspapers.  Sadly, this is NOT a new problem.

We do not pass laws because we magically expect that once passed they will be obeyed 100% of the time.  We pass laws as a statement of our shared societal values, to deter certain behaviors among the lawfully inclined and punish those behaviors among the criminally inclined

In other words, feelings not effectiveness.

Do you feel the same way about drug laws too? Especially with Marijuana? I mean shared values and all...


Absolutely, which is why it s long past time to repeal them.  They cannot be said to reflect our shared values anymore if they ever did (Dupont involvement in the "reefer madness" campaign raises many questions.

In fact, I'd say the current gun laws and drug laws have that in common: they reflect the views of a very small percentage of the population who has entrenched themselves in power because of the cowardice of politicians
 
4 days ago  

anustart: The majority of mass shooting perpetrators in the United States have a history of family violence and were not legally prevented from owning a firearm. A majority of mass shooting victims from 2009 to 2015 were an intimate partner, ex-partner, or other family member of the shooter.


How many partners, ex-partners, and other family members did Adam Lanza have at that school?

Between 1980 and 2008, 41.5 percent of murdered women were killed by a current or former husband or boyfriend, 30 percent were killed by an acquaintance, and 16.7 percent were killed by a family member. In other words, 88.2% of murdered women are killed by someone they know. In cases where a firearm was used at least some, if not most, of those events could have been prevented with this simple legal fix.

I don't mind that addendum to the domestic violence prohibition, though I think it should have a 10 or 15 year sunset clause so we can get rid of it if it doesn't work.

The idea that most domestic abusers would not injure or kill their partner if they didn't have a gun doesn't seem likely given the particulars of domestic violence and the current number of deaths at the hands (literally) of intimate partners, BUT I'm in favor of trying out the 'boyfriend loophole' prohibition.
 
4 days ago  

HumanSVD: AdmirableSnackbar: The_Sponge: AdmirableSnackbar: If you don't like the proposals coming from the other side then propose some ideas of your own. Otherwise you're simply being intransigent and the "want these to continue" absolutely applies.

Those proposals coming from your side are infringements on our rights.....and earlier, you claimed that your side didn't want that:

AdmirableSnackbar: One side wants to reduce violence and has means that don't infringe on your rights

At least be honest and say that you guys want to take our rights away.

You want a proposal?  How about cleaning up the background check system?  Because it FAILED before the shooting in Texas.

I don't want to take your rights away. But considering how disgusting I find your attitude towards guns I'm not going to advocate against that action either. I'd like to find a compromise that works but gun nuts refuse those every single time. You're choosing this path and hate where it leads. I'd think you'd want to try a different path but here you are. I'm not gonna cry for you, you cry enough for yourself and your guns while good people who aren't you die. So no sympathy.

Enjoy crowing about all these deaths and lives forever altered. I hope it's worth it for you.

I do not want to take away your gun rights, but since you are a poopie head, I won't advocate against it.

In other words, you'd be cool with it.


Desiring something and being ok with something are two different things. Personally I enjoy shooting guns, but I have no desire to own one, nor do I find them particularly necessary. So, I'd be ok if every gun disappeared from the face of the planet, but I'm not going to advocate for it.
 
4 days ago  

The_Sponge: Dadoody: fark Denmark


Icelandic-like typing detected.


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4 days ago  

Mikey1969: No, the farking point, for illiterate morons, is that jumping on the bandwagon and screaming the second the story comes i=out isn't accurate at all. If you notice, NO students at the school died, but these assholes are so happy to try and get a scoop, that they have the wrong farking information.

Kind of like you, I guess.


Are you saying that it only counts as a newsworthy item now if children are killed?

Just how farked up is that? Oh wait, you're American and an 'enthusiast'. Carry on then.
 
4 days ago  

vrax: The_Sponge: Dadoody: fark Denmark


Icelandic-like typing detected.

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What's that from?
 
4 days ago  
I was a kid when that ex-soldier shot all of those students from the bell tower of a college. It was an act so unheard of then that even the cops were not equipped for the situation. (Damn! I can't recall the college or the guys name.) However that was way before anyone even heard of PTSD and soldiers who faced bloody battles came out of them just as normal as ever and if one had a breakdown, he was considered a coward. (Patton saw to that.)

It was years before the next one -- and by then the Internet was here, the first car phones and cellular phones popped up and the Lunatic Fringe was already blasting out false news and 'documents' showing others how easy it would be to kill a bunch of people and become famous. Hollywood had begun to turn the mass killer into movies making him look either pathetic and worthy of sympathy or determined to get even for imagined wrongs.

Then many more guns appeared in movies and all over the internet. Along with idiots who, using Freedom of Speech, informed anyone out there on how to tun civilian versions of semi-automatic weapons into full auto and started selling kits to do so. Then gun shows popped up, where you could buy huge bags of ammo, nearly any type of weapon and, if you looked around a but, conversion kits.

The gun became a manly penis extension for guys, which filled them with an urge to shoot something. (Back then, nearly every street sign out in the sticks.)

I think most men would climax if they could get their hands on that new, multi barreled machine gun shown on the original Mythbusters with it's hellacious rate of fire that surpassed even the Gatling guns of the Vietnam War.

So, naturally, due to the ease of buying guns, assorted nuts started shooting people for any reason under the sun and you could not watch an inner city movie without some of the characters brandishing guns. Guns became a sign of manhood and toughness.

I recall when people solved their differences with their fists. Now they whip out a hand cannon at the slightest excuse. Even in grocery stores while shopping.

It's scary and ridiculous and the gun companies are blocking every attempt to reign in their production. Even though they provide millions of weapons to any overseas coup or battle. They don't care who the 'good guys' are.
 
4 days ago  
Can we talk about some solutions to gun violence in the wake of the Las Vegas tragedy yet? I mean, we're two (2) shootings down the road already.
 
4 days ago  
But her emails...
 
4 days ago  

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Posting gun violence outrage on Fark is the new "Thoughts and Prayers"

 
4 days ago  

pedrop357: anustart: The majority of mass shooting perpetrators in the United States have a history of family violence and were not legally prevented from owning a firearm. A majority of mass shooting victims from 2009 to 2015 were an intimate partner, ex-partner, or other family member of the shooter.

How many partners, ex-partners, and other family members did Adam Lanza have at that school?


I appreciate your willingness to look at the idea, but it's unfortunate you still feel the need to obfuscate the data by conflating "The majority" with "ALL of them, you say?? Well, not THIS one! HaHa!!!"

Even if everyone's best ideas all put together still didn't manage to do a single thing to prevent half of the gun deaths every year, you'd still save over 15,000 lives EVERY YEAR.

The counter-argument from the gun lobby and politicians to various ideas seems to invariably be that if a proposed solution isn't a 100% fix it's not worth trying.  That sort of analysis is just designed to give the illusion of thoughtful consideration while avoiding taking the action.
 
4 days ago  

Mugato: Ferreira said he heard gunfire for over 20 minutes

20 minutes and only "at least" three dead? That's not only poor reporting that they can't accurately count corpses, that's poor mass shooting to get only three people in 20 minutes.


We're sorry that we don't have a good mass shooting for you today. Would you like a rain check?
 
4 days ago  
Russian agent whose mission was to post shiat on twitter to divide us as a nation and/or shoot up schools so the government takes our guns away.
 
4 days ago  

The_Sponge: vrax: The_Sponge: Dadoody: fark Denmark


Icelandic-like typing detected.

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What's that from?


Lars von Trier's "The Kingdom"

So as not to spoil anything for those who haven't seen it, I'll just say that the guy, a Swede, is not fond of Denmark.
 
4 days ago  

HumanSVD: Markoff_Cheney: I sneezed and 200 posts happened...

Gun threads always blow up


Sorry.  It was the grenade launcher / fragmentation bombs that I bought at the local Harbor Freight.
 
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