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(NPR)   Fraternity: "Those cameras weren't working the night a pledge died." Police: "Then why does it appear that the footage was manually deleted?" Fraternity: *Smoke Bomb*   ( npr.org) divider line
    More: Followup, State College Police, Fraternities and sororities, Beta Theta Pi, Piazza, pledge Timothy Piazza, Parks Miller, Theta Pi fraternity, Felony  
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2017-11-14 12:47:05 PM  
49 votes:
All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.
2017-11-14 11:33:32 AM  
41 votes:
"From you, alright?  I learned it from you!"
2017-11-14 01:09:51 PM  
29 votes:
Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did. But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.
2017-11-14 11:47:40 AM  
9 votes:
18 minutes.
2017-11-14 01:07:47 PM  
8 votes:

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


Are you kidding? You're talking about the warrior's code, something these nerds couldn't possibly understand.
2017-11-14 11:55:01 AM  
6 votes:

Deep Contact: 18 minutes.


Where's Rosemary Woods when you need her?
2017-11-14 02:43:25 PM  
5 votes:

Yellow Beard: 18 drinks in 82 minutes, eh? Back in my drinking days, that was known as warming up.


Shirley Temples don't count.
2017-11-14 01:07:53 PM  
5 votes:

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.

3/10, had me for half the first sentence...


but you see, he had to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
2017-11-14 01:03:27 PM  
5 votes:
steklo:
I never understood the fraternity thing. Then again, I never went to college. Not even community college.

What don't you understand exactly? I don't think you need a college education to understand fraternities.

PS your post sounds slightly bitter
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2017-11-14 11:29:16 AM  
5 votes:
Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.
2017-11-14 02:41:12 PM  
4 votes:

interstellar_tedium: Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press.  For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?


Exposing yourself to the dust from grinding and drilling that stuff(which I have to believe is a carcinogen) is probably a lot more of a risky than the danger posed by someone possibly getting their hands on your discarded hentai collection.
2017-11-14 01:19:52 PM  
4 votes:
Penn State, sounds like a great place for kids to go to school.
2017-11-14 01:03:32 PM  
4 votes:
18 drinks in 82 minutes, eh? Back in my drinking days, that was known as warming up.
2017-11-14 02:29:56 PM  
3 votes:
Seriously, what were these frat guys thinking? Only the police can delete video.
2017-11-14 01:02:07 PM  
3 votes:
From their home page:

Beta Theta Pi Fraternity Core Values: To build lasting bonds of friendship and brotherhood, Beta calls for...

Responsible Conduct

Betas choose to act responsibly, weighing the consequences of their actions on themselves and those around them.

Integrity
Betas preserve their character by doing what is morally right and demanding the same from their brothers.

From the news:
Beta Theta Pi brothers 'laughed' after emotional hearing, says [dead student] Tim Piazza's father
2017-11-14 12:53:34 PM  
3 votes:

Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.


"The hard drive fell onto a half dozen nails, and then bounced into the ocean. I'm not sure which part."
2017-11-14 11:46:06 AM  
3 votes:
It works for the police.
2017-11-14 04:08:05 PM  
2 votes:
Yes? No? Too old?

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2017-11-14 03:26:13 PM  
2 votes:

interstellar_tedium: Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press.  For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?


Or maybe a little?
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2017-11-14 02:10:18 PM  
2 votes:

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


"YEAH!  Hey, remember that night we all butt-chugged together then drew dicks on the passed out guys?  That was a great time!"
2017-11-14 02:05:52 PM  
2 votes:

ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

do you think the frat bros know that?


They do now!
2017-11-14 01:52:44 PM  
2 votes:

Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"


The Atlantic did a very stomach churning piece on all this that explained It- the house was extensively renovated by a wealthy alum awhile back because it had fallen into near condemn levels of neglect.

Frat boys, being who they are, trashed the newly renovated house partying, so said alum demanded they install this system or he would pull his support. It was mainly there so they wouldn't wreck up the joint
2017-11-14 01:31:52 PM  
2 votes:
Well, there is being a frat boy, and that's probably a bit of a strike against you...
Then there is being a stupid frat boy...
Then there is being a stupid, hazing frat boy...
Then there is a being stupid hazing frat boy who killed someone with their hazing and stupidity...
Then there is being a stupid hazing frat boy who killed someone with their hazing and stupidity, and not owning up to it....
Then there is being a stupid hazing frat boy who killed someone with their hazing and stupidity, and not only not owning up to it, but trying to destroy evidence...
Then there is being a stupid hazing frat boy who killed someone with their hazing and stupidity, and not only not owning up to it, but trying to destroy evidence and failing to do so due to said stupidity...

Tell me why anyone needs this kind of brotherhood?
Tell me why the earth needs this kind of person?

/first rocket into the sun...
2017-11-14 01:17:52 PM  
2 votes:
i was in that same frat, different school.
I was a 'legacy', meaning my brother was already in, and I'm sure i would not have willingly opted go Greek without out that connection.   But in the end, i did meet friends for life, and living in a frat house with a cook, and parties and membership dues was still actually much much cheaper than living in University housing.

Anyway, the disclaimers aside, i just wanted to say that the Penn St kids were idiots.   My chapter prided ourselves on being one of the 'hardest hazing houses in the country.' (I'm sure it wasn't true, but it sounded plausible enough for people to repeat it).     And there was never ONCE any forced drinking.  (well, one kid who actually just ran for Mayor of Cleveland last year, was made to drink down a marijuana bong one time, with me watching.... but not alcohol... thats playing with poision.   Our chapter was 200 years old, one of the first in the country, and i guess in that timeframe, you learn what you can do and not do.... These Penn St kids did what you shouldn't do....
2017-11-14 01:07:45 PM  
2 votes:

ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

do you think the frat bros know that?


I always read that as "fart bros." I don't think I'll ever grow up.
2017-11-14 12:54:55 PM  
2 votes:

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


Heh heh, just what I need a down and out on their luck "brother" who finds out where I live so that they can come over, sleep on my sofa, have sex with my wife and drink my booze all because We were in the Gamma Omega Delta club.

But I can see how it can come in handy if I needed a job at the local fortune 500 company when the interviewer sees my resume and that I was a part of Gamma Omega Delta...

"You're in"

"But I didn't tell you about my accomplishments"

"No need. Brother." and he comes over and gives me the secret Gamma Omega Delta handshake and winks.

"We got you covered Bro."

Now, yeah that would be cool.
2017-11-14 12:47:12 PM  
2 votes:

Deep Contact: 18 minutes.


"How about a drink or 18?"
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2017-11-14 05:57:33 PM  
1 vote:
They will squeal.
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...still worthy of being a 'BairdMan.
2017-11-14 05:15:44 PM  
1 vote:

Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

do you think the frat bros know that?

Apparently not


I'll bet they do now.
2017-11-14 02:42:16 PM  
1 vote:

ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

do you think the frat bros know that?


They do now Brofessor...

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2017-11-14 01:58:22 PM  
1 vote:

tlchwi02: Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"

The Atlantic did a very stomach churning piece on all this that explained It- the house was extensively renovated by a wealthy alum awhile back because it had fallen into near condemn levels of neglect.

Frat boys, being who they are, trashed the newly renovated house partying, so said alum demanded they install this system or he would pull his support. It was mainly there so they wouldn't wreck up the joint


Wow.... Well done.
2017-11-14 01:51:36 PM  
1 vote:

ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.


they've already charged the house manager with deleting the video and for attempting to destroy other evidence.

And just for fun, the same dude was nicked selling drugs and had enough to get nailed for distribution as well.

/he's having a bad year
2017-11-14 01:06:44 PM  
1 vote:
I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"
2017-11-14 12:40:44 PM  
1 vote:

ManateeGag: do you think the frat bros know that?


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2017-11-14 12:27:01 PM  
1 vote:

Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.


do you think the frat bros know that?
2017-11-14 11:54:34 AM  
1 vote:

ZAZ: My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice


My bet is that most of these frat boys will squeal at the first opportunity.  If they don't, there's conspiracy and possibly RICO charges they can file.

The're likely spilling their guts right now.
 
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