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(NPR)   Fraternity: "Those cameras weren't working the night a pledge died." Police: "Then why does it appear that the footage was manually deleted?" Fraternity: *Smoke Bomb*   ( npr.org) divider line
    More: Followup, State College Police, Fraternities and sororities, Beta Theta Pi, Piazza, pledge Timothy Piazza, Parks Miller, Theta Pi fraternity, Felony  
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5 days ago  

darwinpolice: Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"

If I were being charitable, I'd think that maybe it was a requirement of one of their insurers.

Much more likely, it's to film sorority girls getting farked without consent to be recorded.


I would guess that its primary purpose is for minor criminal infractions.  Who started a fight, that kind of thing.  The bonus pron would be a side benefit
 
5 days ago  

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


I had no desire to join a frat, had my fair share of girlfriends when the male:female ratio was very stacked against me, I made life long bonds in college, and frankly I steer clear of top shelf douchebags who use the expression "top shelf pussy."

I sure missed out, yessir.
 
5 days ago  

DarkVader: AntonChigger: ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.

This article is behind on its information. As per cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/us/​penn-state-fraternity-hazing-death/ind​ex.html

"Prosecutors previously believed that the basement cameras were not working, but Parks Miller said Monday that fraternity member Braxton Becker deleted the basement footage while police were in the house to collect it.
Becker is charged with tampering with evidence, obstructing justice and hindering apprehension. His attorney, Karen Muir, could not immediately be reached for comment.
"He deleted it in front of the police," Parks Miller said, adding that the forensic analysis showed Becker made "a series of deliberate commands" on the machine to delete the basement portion of the video."

Do they have video of that?

Because the only people more likely to lie than frat bros are cops.



What's the odds that he was logged in on his personal, password protected account when he did this.
 
5 days ago  
I'm sure their version of Abby and McGee can unerase it...
 
5 days ago  

DjangoStonereaver: Approves:

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Even better:

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5 days ago  

Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

do you think the frat bros know that?

Apparently not


I'll bet they do now.
 
5 days ago  

peasandcarrots: Maybe you can answer a question that's been bugging me. Why put new members through hell just for your friendship? I mean, is your social approval really that much of a prize?

"Sure, you can be my friend...but first you have to sit naked in a bucket of ice water for eight hours while a dozen other members beat you with sticks." About that time, I'd be finding a different friend.

That kid who ran for mayor: is he still your friend, or did he drink from a bong for nothing?



That's what I don't get. Why would anyone structure a club such that it consists of only people who are SO desperate to belong that they will allow themselves to be humiliated just to join. Sort of a "loser club".
 
5 days ago  

interstellar_tedium: Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press.  For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?


If you're going to take the platters out why not just heat them to the curie point with a rosebud?  It's faster and 100% certain.
 
5 days ago  
They will squeal.
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...still worthy of being a 'BairdMan.
 
5 days ago  

Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"


Security system was installed by a former frat member that donated huge money to renovate the frat building and didn't like that it was getting trashed again.  He was getting pissed off about what his frat had become so he installed the cameras to help police their behavior.

Imagine: this is how these guys behaved KNOWING they were being recorded.
 
5 days ago  
Why would there even be cameras in the hazing room, a. k. a. "basement?"  Who thought that recording secret initiation rites was a good idea?
 
5 days ago  

peasandcarrots: T.rex: i was in that same frat, different school.
I was a 'legacy', meaning my brother was already in, and I'm sure i would not have willingly opted go Greek without out that connection.   But in the end, i did meet friends for life, and living in a frat house with a cook, and parties and membership dues was still actually much much cheaper than living in University housing.

Anyway, the disclaimers aside, i just wanted to say that the Penn St kids were idiots.   My chapter prided ourselves on being one of the 'hardest hazing houses in the country.' (I'm sure it wasn't true, but it sounded plausible enough for people to repeat it).     And there was never ONCE any forced drinking.  (well, one kid who actually just ran for Mayor of Cleveland last year, was made to drink down a marijuana bong one time, with me watching.... but not alcohol... thats playing with poision.   Our chapter was 200 years old, one of the first in the country, and i guess in that timeframe, you learn what you can do and not do.... These Penn St kids did what you shouldn't do....

Maybe you can answer a question that's been bugging me. Why put new members through hell just for your friendship? I mean, is your social approval really that much of a prize?

"Sure, you can be my friend...but first you have to sit naked in a bucket of ice water for eight hours while a dozen other members beat you with sticks." About that time, I'd be finding a different friend.

That kid who ran for mayor: is he still your friend, or did he drink from a bong for nothing?


The hell is for THEIR own benefit... not mine.... Once you make it through the hell, its a feeling of ecstasy.  Its a feeling of achievement.    And there is a bonding agent because they went through the same thing.

The kid who ran for mayor?  Well, i didn't make him drink the bong... I didn't personally really haze.   But the kid who made him drink it did so because the mayor-kid made it known that he was staunchly against pot.   Never give the actives any ammunition for ways to get to you.   But... he's my facebook friend, and kid who made him drink the bong is also my facebook friend.    I'd have to defer to him if it was worth it, but truth be told, he could've refused, and its not like he would've been kicked out for something so silly.    Sometimes, you do stuff, just because its less hassle than getting your ass beat.
 
5 days ago  
Well in any event, I'm still pissed that I missed out on all that top shelf pussy that I could have just taken as a frat member back in the day.
 
5 days ago  

Voiceofreason01: interstellar_tedium: Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press.  For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?

Exposing yourself to the dust from grinding and drilling that stuff(which I have to believe is a carcinogen) is probably a lot more of a risky than the danger posed by someone possibly getting their hands on your discarded hentai collection.


Dude not my disks but work disks with financial info like bank account numbers and SSNs back before everyone and their Russian/Bulgarian/Ukrainian/whatever brother or sister was hacking the hell out of things, plus I know enough to wear a mask because I ain't stupid.
 
5 days ago  

ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.


Someone told the cops it was inoperable. They have that person for lying/obstruction or whatever the state law is on lying to police during an investigation. Maybe they can pressure that person to flip on the others, or he gets to shoulder the whole thing himself. Unless the police were helping to cover it up, names should be attributed to statements on the reports.
 
5 days ago  
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just because I don't know, doesn't mean Im lying
 
5 days ago  

T.rex: i was in that same frat, different school.
I was a 'legacy', meaning my brother was already in, and I'm sure i would not have willingly opted go Greek without out that connection.   But in the end, i did meet friends for life, and living in a frat house with a cook, and parties and membership dues was still actually much much cheaper than living in University housing.

Anyway, the disclaimers aside, i just wanted to say that the Penn St kids were idiots.   My chapter prided ourselves on being one of the 'hardest hazing houses in the country.' (I'm sure it wasn't true, but it sounded plausible enough for people to repeat it).     And there was never ONCE any forced drinking.  (well, one kid who actually just ran for Mayor of Cleveland last year, was made to drink down a marijuana bong one time, with me watching.... but not alcohol... thats playing with poision.   Our chapter was 200 years old, one of the first in the country, and i guess in that timeframe, you learn what you can do and not do.... These Penn St kids did what you shouldn't do....


Why haze?  It's just dumb.  Hi, welcome.  We're going to degrade you before we make you our friend.
 
5 days ago  

T.rex: peasandcarrots: T.rex: i was in that same frat, different school.
I was a 'legacy', meaning my brother was already in, and I'm sure i would not have willingly opted go Greek without out that connection.   But in the end, i did meet friends for life, and living in a frat house with a cook, and parties and membership dues was still actually much much cheaper than living in University housing.

Anyway, the disclaimers aside, i just wanted to say that the Penn St kids were idiots.   My chapter prided ourselves on being one of the 'hardest hazing houses in the country.' (I'm sure it wasn't true, but it sounded plausible enough for people to repeat it).     And there was never ONCE any forced drinking.  (well, one kid who actually just ran for Mayor of Cleveland last year, was made to drink down a marijuana bong one time, with me watching.... but not alcohol... thats playing with poision.   Our chapter was 200 years old, one of the first in the country, and i guess in that timeframe, you learn what you can do and not do.... These Penn St kids did what you shouldn't do....

Maybe you can answer a question that's been bugging me. Why put new members through hell just for your friendship? I mean, is your social approval really that much of a prize?

"Sure, you can be my friend...but first you have to sit naked in a bucket of ice water for eight hours while a dozen other members beat you with sticks." About that time, I'd be finding a different friend.

That kid who ran for mayor: is he still your friend, or did he drink from a bong for nothing?

The hell is for THEIR own benefit... not mine.... Once you make it through the hell, its a feeling of ecstasy.  Its a feeling of achievement.    And there is a bonding agent because they went through the same thing.

The kid who ran for mayor?  Well, i didn't make him drink the bong... I didn't personally really haze.   But the kid who made him drink it did so because the mayor-kid made it known that he was staunchly against pot.   Never give the actives any ammunition for ways to get to you.   But... he's my facebook friend, and kid who made him drink the bong is also my facebook friend.    I'd have to defer to him if it was worth it, but truth be told, he could've refused, and its not like he would've been kicked out for something so silly.    Sometimes, you do stuff, just because its less hassle than getting your ass beat.


Yeah, you just made my opinion of your frat even worse.
 
5 days ago  

Publikwerks: Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did. But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.


Bra-Farking-vo
 
5 days ago  
CSB: Many years ago one of my friends and I wandered into a bar/strip club we hadn't been in before. It was afternoon so business was slow. We were ordering some drinks and talking to the owner (who was mixing drinks because the bartender was late).

We had noticed by this point that every table had obviously had rounded corners, every table and chair in the place was bolted down, and there were about a dozen security cameras. We were (good naturedly) teasing him about it and he goes "the insurance company offered me a hell of a deal to do all this."

Apparently, some other dive strip club had had a huge brawl break out. The place got smashed to hell, the cops showed up and arrested a bunch of people. The officer in charge went to that owner and demanded the video tapes from the cameras that were mounted in the strip club because everyone's story was basically

"Well other people started fighting and I was caught in the middle! Self defense!"

And the owner had apparently installed fake cameras to save money.
 
4 days ago  

peasandcarrots: T.rex: i was in that same frat, different school.
I was a 'legacy', meaning my brother was already in, and I'm sure i would not have willingly opted go Greek without out that connection.   But in the end, i did meet friends for life, and living in a frat house with a cook, and parties and membership dues was still actually much much cheaper than living in University housing.

Anyway, the disclaimers aside, i just wanted to say that the Penn St kids were idiots.   My chapter prided ourselves on being one of the 'hardest hazing houses in the country.' (I'm sure it wasn't true, but it sounded plausible enough for people to repeat it).     And there was never ONCE any forced drinking.  (well, one kid who actually just ran for Mayor of Cleveland last year, was made to drink down a marijuana bong one time, with me watching.... but not alcohol... thats playing with poision.   Our chapter was 200 years old, one of the first in the country, and i guess in that timeframe, you learn what you can do and not do.... These Penn St kids did what you shouldn't do....

Maybe you can answer a question that's been bugging me. Why put new members through hell just for your friendship? I mean, is your social approval really that much of a prize?

"Sure, you can be my friend...but first you have to sit naked in a bucket of ice water for eight hours while a dozen other members beat you with sticks." About that time, I'd be finding a different friend.

That kid who ran for mayor: is he still your friend, or did he drink from a bong for nothing?


Its the downside to accepting a "friends for hire" system of socialization.
 
4 days ago  

Yellow Beard: 18 drinks in 82 minutes, eh? Back in my drinking days, that was known as warming up.


Sounds like breakfast, but I don't have any staircases in my house to fall down multiple times in one night.
 
4 days ago  
rga184:
Why haze?  It's just dumb.  Hi, welcome.  We're going to degrade you before we make you our friend.
Yeah, you just made my opinion of your frat even worse.


Hazing has nothing do with friendship....  Every kid in the house are not going to be best friends... You form friends with certain dudes in a frat, no different than how you form them out of a frat.... thru mutual interests and compatible personalities.   My best friends in the frat were among those in my pledge class... the ones who i went thru the fire with, and got to know, along the way....   Hazing is just about going through shiat, to come out on the other side, and belong to an organization that has a budget to feed you, house you, and throw killer parties for you.     Its never about widening your social circle, unless you of course, you're talking about meeting girls.  It does that too.    Living in a house with 60 other crazy dudes, all of whom, are somewhat cool, is just icing on the cake, but it wasn't the goal.
 
4 days ago  

T.rex: rga184:
Why haze?  It's just dumb.  Hi, welcome.  We're going to degrade you before we make you our friend.
Yeah, you just made my opinion of your frat even worse.

Hazing has nothing do with friendship....  Every kid in the house are not going to be best friends... You form friends with certain dudes in a frat, no different than how you form them out of a frat.... thru mutual interests and compatible personalities.   My best friends in the frat were among those in my pledge class... the ones who i went thru the fire with, and got to know, along the way....   Hazing is just about going through shiat, to come out on the other side, and belong to an organization that has a budget to feed you, house you, and throw killer parties for you.     Its never about widening your social circle, unless you of course, you're talking about meeting girls.  It does that too.    Living in a house with 60 other crazy dudes, all of whom, are somewhat cool, is just icing on the cake, but it wasn't the goal.


I don't want to harp on this much, but you're sort of confirming my prejudices here. You're basically describing a cult. I'm really, really looking for an "out" here, and I'm not finding it.

I mean, of course when you're taking an ass-beating, there's going to be a "feeling of ecstasy" when they stop. "That kid who drank the bong-water, he didn't really have to, but he exposed a weakness, and we just HAD to exploit that weakness. There's nothing like the fire-forged friendship you share with people who you talk to on Facebook once in a while."

When I joined the Junior Classical League, I had to bob for apples in plain Jell-O. That was it. Nobody "exploited my weaknesses." Ever been to a Junior Classical League meeting? EVERY party is a toga party.

I don't want to take away what you had, and clearly Greek life isn't for everyone. My mother was Phi Mu, and my Dad was Alpha Gamma Rho, back in the 1960s. I went to a Tau Kappa Epsilon mixer in the early 1990s and decided it wasn't for me. ("Teek" was pretty notorious and their house was a shack. Next to Sigma Nu it was like Animal House next to Omega Theta Pi. Spoiler alert - that kind of thing is only funny in the movies.)

But the thing that frosts my chaps is that my own experiences indicate that I'm under no obligation to associate a fraternal order with abuse of the newbies, and maybe I just have too broad a definition of "abuse." So I get additionally annoyed whenever I read about yet another idiot kid who wound up dead because he was trying too hard to fit in with a bunch of other idiot kids, and the other idiot kids are marshalling all their white upper-middle-class resources to cover it up.
 
4 days ago  

peasandcarrots: I don't want to harp on this much, but you're sort of confirming my prejudices here. You're basically describing a cult. I'm really, really looking for an "out" here, and I'm not finding it.


I don't mind you having prejudices..  Not at all. I'm not trying to convince you of a single thing.   I've been out of college for 25 years, but even back when i was attending, i could still relate to people having an aversion to fraternities.   My reason for posting was purely anecdotal.

As i said, i was pressured into it because i was a legacy, but in the end, i was glad for the experience.  it toughened me up, and gave my fodder to reminisce.
 
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