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(NPR)   Fraternity: "Those cameras weren't working the night a pledge died." Police: "Then why does it appear that the footage was manually deleted?" Fraternity: *Smoke Bomb*   ( npr.org) divider line
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5 days ago  

steklo: Who is anyone kidding. Did anyone check to make sure the lawyers/DA's didn't graduate from the same fraternity? Aren't they all "brothers in arms" and all that?

I never understood the fraternity thing. Then again, I never went to college. Not even community college. Well, not true...I did go to my friend's college for the parties but I never enrolled in a college.


Secret societies meant to give their members an unfair advantage in dealings with the general public. Also, rape.

What's not to get?
 
5 days ago  
Wow. Turns out drunks and stupid IS no way to go through life.
 
5 days ago  
Well, there is being a frat boy, and that's probably a bit of a strike against you...
Then there is being a stupid frat boy...
Then there is being a stupid, hazing frat boy...
Then there is a being stupid hazing frat boy who killed someone with their hazing and stupidity...
Then there is being a stupid hazing frat boy who killed someone with their hazing and stupidity, and not owning up to it....
Then there is being a stupid hazing frat boy who killed someone with their hazing and stupidity, and not only not owning up to it, but trying to destroy evidence...
Then there is being a stupid hazing frat boy who killed someone with their hazing and stupidity, and not only not owning up to it, but trying to destroy evidence and failing to do so due to said stupidity...

Tell me why anyone needs this kind of brotherhood?
Tell me why the earth needs this kind of person?

/first rocket into the sun...
 
5 days ago  

MrKevvy: Priapetic: No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

A study done a few years ago (still searching for a citation) showed that the multiple overwrites with random or designed patterns are overkill; even a single wipe with zeroes is unrecoverable in practice. There are tools to read the edges of the bits, but it's about IIRC 60% to recover any single bit... this results in a 1.7% chance of recovering even a single byte, and exponentially lower for a single word of arbitrary length.


Unless it's the year 2017 and your hard drive has TRIM.
 
5 days ago  

Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.


I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press.  For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?
 
5 days ago  

ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.


they've already charged the house manager with deleting the video and for attempting to destroy other evidence.

And just for fun, the same dude was nicked selling drugs and had enough to get nailed for distribution as well.

/he's having a bad year
 
5 days ago  

wildcardjack: This was already an episode on (insert any procedural that's been on two seasons)


Life imitates Art...poorly.
 
5 days ago  

Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"


The Atlantic did a very stomach churning piece on all this that explained It- the house was extensively renovated by a wealthy alum awhile back because it had fallen into near condemn levels of neglect.

Frat boys, being who they are, trashed the newly renovated house partying, so said alum demanded they install this system or he would pull his support. It was mainly there so they wouldn't wreck up the joint
 
5 days ago  

rummonkey: ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.

Looks like we should start talking about the merits of the social Greek system again. Besides being friends for hire, why do we still have this system?


because they do community service,
which is impossible to do without being in a frat.
 
5 days ago  

tlchwi02: Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"

The Atlantic did a very stomach churning piece on all this that explained It- the house was extensively renovated by a wealthy alum awhile back because it had fallen into near condemn levels of neglect.

Frat boys, being who they are, trashed the newly renovated house partying, so said alum demanded they install this system or he would pull his support. It was mainly there so they wouldn't wreck up the joint


Wow.... Well done.
 
5 days ago  

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


Wow, there's a blast from the past.   Does anyone remember the original context of that FARK specific meme?
 
5 days ago  

ObscureNameHere: ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.

Wow, there's a blast from the past.   Does anyone remember the original context of that FARK specific meme?


Lol, sound like every dudebro I've ever met while having my car serviced at the local dealership.
 
5 days ago  

ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

do you think the frat bros know that?


They do now!
 
5 days ago  
Can they give the whole university the death penalty?
 
5 days ago  
Hmmm if only there was a way to retrieve deleted info on a DVR. Oh wait... lol. good move dude bro.
 
5 days ago  

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


"YEAH!  Hey, remember that night we all butt-chugged together then drew dicks on the passed out guys?  That was a great time!"
 
5 days ago  

steklo: ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.

Heh heh, just what I need a down and out on their luck "brother" who finds out where I live so that they can come over, sleep on my sofa, have sex with my wife and drink my booze all because We were in the Gamma Omega Delta club.

But I can see how it can come in handy if I needed a job at the local fortune 500 company when the interviewer sees my resume and that I was a part of Gamma Omega Delta...

"You're in"

"But I didn't tell you about my accomplishments"

"No need. Brother." and he comes over and gives me the secret Gamma Omega Delta handshake and winks.

"We got you covered Bro."

Now, yeah that would be cool.


sounds like a sure way to hire the wrong person
 
5 days ago  

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


I do have a couple friendships which are lifetime from my fraternity days.  I'm afraid I missed out on the top-shelf pussy.  Got far more when I was in the work world.

I did actually secure a job because a partner was in the same fraternity (BTP - same one involved in the Penn State case).  It came up randomly on discussions about college.  But if justice and karma is anything, that guy was literally the worst boss I've ever had.  He was a sociopath  ( a sociopath from a frat? go figure!).  I only lasted a year or so in that job - so much for frat connections.  And I've been in the work world for decades and that was the only time that's ever come up.

I'm generally glad that I joined a fraternity.  It was a decent experience in college.  OTOH, it really doesn't define me.  That stuff was a looooong time ago.   I know that Farkers like to think that all persons who were in a frat are all of the same negative ilk.  To be fair, there were some, and then were plenty of people like me who enjoyed living in the house, smoking dope, going to parties and didn't hurt anyone (nor did anyone in my class AFAIK). Just like I'm sure there are plenty of people who maybe played football in HS and it didn't turn them into jerks later in life.
 
5 days ago  

soupafi: Can they give the whole university the death penalty?


I think this was at Penn State.  They can't even give a football team the death penalty.
 
5 days ago  

AntonChigger: This article is behind on its information. As per cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/us/​penn-state-fraternity-hazing-death/ind​ex.html

"Prosecutors previously believed that the basement cameras were not working, but Parks Miller said Monday that fraternity member Braxton Becker deleted the basement footage while police were in the house to collect it.
Becker is charged with tampering with evidence, obstructing justice and hindering apprehension. His attorney, Karen Muir, could not immediately be reached for comment.
"He deleted it in front of the police," Parks Miller said, adding that the forensic analysis showed Becker made "a series of deliberate commands" on the machine to delete the basement portion of the video."


Braxton's lawyer needs to try some affluenza-type defense. Argue that once his parents named him Braxton Becker, he had no choice but to become a stereotypical frat douche who then goes on to tamper with evidence that shows a hazing related death.
 
5 days ago  

Turbo Cojones: ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.

"YEAH!  Hey, remember that night we all butt-chugged together then drew dicks on the passed out guys?  That was a great time!"


Messing with passed out people is a great game regardless of greek affiliation. Our rules were simple:
If you are passed out with shoes on, you are fair game. If you passed out with shoes off, you meant to go to sleep, and therefore are safe. You could have fell asleep on the stairs in a puddle of your own filth, and as long as your shoes were off, you were safe.

The usual price for passing out was an eyebrow.
 
5 days ago  

steklo: ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.

Heh heh, just what I need a down and out on their luck "brother" who finds out where I live so that they can come over, sleep on my sofa, have sex with my wife and drink my booze all because We were in the Gamma Omega Delta club.

But I can see how it can come in handy if I needed a job at the local fortune 500 company when the interviewer sees my resume and that I was a part of Gamma Omega Delta...

"You're in"

"But I didn't tell you about my accomplishments"

"No need. Brother." and he comes over and gives me the secret Gamma Omega Delta handshake and winks.

"We got you covered Bro."

Now, yeah that would be cool.


See, your wife still likes it from the frat guys that were giving it to her back in college.
 
5 days ago  

ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

do you think the frat bros know that?


Guess that's why they should've had at least one nerd.
 
5 days ago  

Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"


Some rich alumni fark overhauled the house and installed the security system after a previous horrible incident a few years earlier in a placating bid to make the fraternity "more safe".
 
5 days ago  
If you let your kid go to Penn State, you obviously don't care very much about them.
 
5 days ago  
Seriously, what were these frat guys thinking? Only the police can delete video.
 
d23 [BareFark]
5 days ago  

The_Flatline: Some rich alumni fark overhauled the house and installed the security system after a previous horrible incident a few years earlier in a placating bid to make the fraternity "more safe".


Being safe means NOT pledging a frat.
 
5 days ago  
From Penn State to the State Pen....

an oldie.
 
5 days ago  

ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.


Or lying plus deleting the video =    criminal conspiracy
 
5 days ago  

interstellar_tedium: Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press.  For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?


Exposing yourself to the dust from grinding and drilling that stuff(which I have to believe is a carcinogen) is probably a lot more of a risky than the danger posed by someone possibly getting their hands on your discarded hentai collection.
 
5 days ago  

ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

do you think the frat bros know that?


They do now Brofessor...

img.fark.netView Full Size
 
5 days ago  

Yellow Beard: 18 drinks in 82 minutes, eh? Back in my drinking days, that was known as warming up.


Shirley Temples don't count.
 
5 days ago  

interstellar_tedium: Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press.  For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?


A friend of mine makes aluminum sculptures. So when I need some data to disappear, I just borrow his forge for a little bit. There's a lot of slag, but he
 appreciates the free Al.
 
5 days ago  

ScarabDrac: interstellar_tedium: Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press.  For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?

A friend of mine makes aluminum sculptures. So when I need some data to disappear, I just borrow his forge for a little bit. There's a lot of slag, but he
 appreciates the free Al.


Of course, when I say I need to make data disappear I mean I have a spare HDD and feel like melting it down. Surprisingly fun
 
5 days ago  

Voiceofreason01


interstellar_tedium: Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding. I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times. Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation. If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS). The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press. For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?

Exposing yourself to the dust from grinding and drilling that stuff(which I have to believe is a carcinogen) is probably a lot more of a risky than the danger posed by someone possibly getting their hands on your discarded hentai collection.


Don't worry about it. He didn't do any of those things.

Anyone who claims to have "slice[d]" a GLASS disk platter "with a band saw" - multiple times, no less - is a terrible liar who does not understand hard disk construction.

That, and there is no way to run something "through a drill press". A drill press moves the bit vertically; there is no "through".
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
5 days ago  
Thanks for the update AntonChigger. Looks like another frat member is in for a paddling.

Deleting while police were there reminded me of one of my favorite moments of the Iran-Contra hearings, Oliver North asking "Did I get them all?" in a discusion about shredding documents. (If I recall correctly, that earned him a kick under the table from his lawyer.)

Sort of on point, the Iran-Contra hearings were the first time I remember the public learning that delete doesn't really mean delete on a computer. Paper files were gone when shredded, but deleted computer files might come back to destroy plausible deniability.
 
5 days ago  

SpectroBoy: Yellow Beard: 18 drinks in 82 minutes, eh? Back in my drinking days, that was known as warming up.

Shirley Temples don't count.


I wish they were shirley temples.....but you still get a funny any way.
Thanks for the chuckle
 
5 days ago  

d23: The_Flatline: Some rich alumni fark overhauled the house and installed the security system after a previous horrible incident a few years earlier in a placating bid to make the fraternity "more safe".

Being safe means NOT pledging a frat.


I looked at joining a frat way back when I was in school because I had several friends that were members of different houses. But when I attended their functions you realize there is nothing dumber than a group of frat brothers. For folks that individually seemed quite smart, once you gather them in a group the stupid reigns.
 
5 days ago  

Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"


The alumnus who paid for the renovation of the house was tired of the damage and had it installed, if I recall correctly. He wanted the damaging parties to pay up.
 
5 days ago  

garumph: there is nothing dumber than a group of frat brothers.


That.  Right there.
I spent the summer renting a room from a frat (cheap place to stay)
The place was a pigsty, the "brothers" barely functioning and terminally clueless about anything except drinking and smoking.

When I went back, ten years later, the place had been turned into the Placement Office.  I'm assuming they spent their mortgage money on keggers.  Must have cost the Uni a pretty penny to rebuild the place. When I was there, the floors were splintered plywood, there were no doorknobs and the kitchen was a grease pit with a sink piled high with filthy commercial pots and pans.

Phi Mu Delta at UMass Amherst, if anyone knows it.
 
5 days ago  

AntonChigger: "He deleted it in front of the police," Parks Miller said, adding that the forensic analysis showed Becker made "a series of deliberate commands" on the machine to delete the basement portion of the video."


Good FSM, that's the funniest and most stupid thing I've read all day.  This is the level of thinking in our institutions of higher learning?

/that was rhetorical.
/I know it's the level of thinking
/I live in the USA, after all
 
5 days ago  

Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"


If I were being charitable, I'd think that maybe it was a requirement of one of their insurers.

Much more likely, it's to film sorority girls getting farked without consent to be recorded.
 
5 days ago  

Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"


From other reports on hazing I have read, they were put in many frat houses by the president of the chapter or previous brothers that rebuilt or built the house and wanted them in there.
 
5 days ago  

Voiceofreason01: interstellar_tedium: Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press.  For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?

Exposing yourself to the dust from grinding and drilling that stuff(which I have to believe is a carcinogen) is probably a lot more of a risky than the danger posed by someone possibly getting their hands on your discarded hentai collection.


Or, stop being so poor that you can't afford a modern drive, since every SSD and many SSHDs support TRIM, and since the storage doesn't work the same, a single erase is sufficient.
 
5 days ago  

interstellar_tedium: Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press.  For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?


Or maybe a little?
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5 days ago  

tlchwi02: Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"

The Atlantic did a very stomach churning piece on all this that explained It- the house was extensively renovated by a wealthy alum awhile back because it had fallen into near condemn levels of neglect.

Frat boys, being who they are, trashed the newly renovated house partying, so said alum demanded they install this system or he would pull his support. It was mainly there so they wouldn't wreck up the joint


gut wrenching
 
5 days ago  
-kai-

smh
 
5 days ago  

Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.


My cousin thought it a good idea to make a few bucks to offer to take a loved one's ashes up in a small plane and scatter the remains. He didn't realize that much of the ashes blow back into the plane rather than drifting softly down on to the lake, mountainside or wherever.
I'm thinking offering to jettison a incriminating computer into s lake, reservoir, bay, etc might get the business back to a profit
 
5 days ago  

T.rex: i was in that same frat, different school.
I was a 'legacy', meaning my brother was already in, and I'm sure i would not have willingly opted go Greek without out that connection.   But in the end, i did meet friends for life, and living in a frat house with a cook, and parties and membership dues was still actually much much cheaper than living in University housing.

Anyway, the disclaimers aside, i just wanted to say that the Penn St kids were idiots.   My chapter prided ourselves on being one of the 'hardest hazing houses in the country.' (I'm sure it wasn't true, but it sounded plausible enough for people to repeat it).     And there was never ONCE any forced drinking.  (well, one kid who actually just ran for Mayor of Cleveland last year, was made to drink down a marijuana bong one time, with me watching.... but not alcohol... thats playing with poision.   Our chapter was 200 years old, one of the first in the country, and i guess in that timeframe, you learn what you can do and not do.... These Penn St kids did what you shouldn't do....


Maybe you can answer a question that's been bugging me. Why put new members through hell just for your friendship? I mean, is your social approval really that much of a prize?

"Sure, you can be my friend...but first you have to sit naked in a bucket of ice water for eight hours while a dozen other members beat you with sticks." About that time, I'd be finding a different friend.

That kid who ran for mayor: is he still your friend, or did he drink from a bong for nothing?
 
5 days ago  
Yes? No? Too old?

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