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2017-11-14 05:56:55 AM  
Good
 
2017-11-14 06:01:37 AM  

duke3522: Good


Seconded.
 
2017-11-14 06:05:06 AM  

Albert911emt: duke3522: Good

Seconded.


Thirded.
 
2017-11-14 06:13:08 AM  
Oh good, more government intrusion.
 
2017-11-14 06:13:43 AM  
I don't know what to think about this. I can't have cats due to allergies.My sister, who is a vet tech and avid animal lover had her cats declawed. She never described it like the person in the article. She said it was a quick and not very painful process. I understand why people do it, but I do not like any unnecessary procedure that would cause a lot of pain. I hate tail and ear clipping. My Yorkie has a nubby tail. He was a rescue from a puppy mill, where he was a stud. I often look at it and wondered if the bastards that starved him and locked him in a rabbit hutch even took him to the vet. Animal should not be forced to endure pain, so they can look the way we think they should. They are fine the way God made them.
 
2017-11-14 06:14:04 AM  
I approve
 
2017-11-14 06:14:12 AM  
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2017-11-14 06:23:26 AM  
I bet the people in favor of this never worked hard enough in their life to own good furniture.

/good
 
2017-11-14 06:27:39 AM  

daffy: My sister, who is a vet tech and avid animal lover had her cats declawed.


- Animal lover
- Had cats declawed

Pick one.
 
2017-11-14 06:27:43 AM  
back alley coat hanger declawings in 3.. 2..
 
2017-11-14 06:30:43 AM  

daffy: I don't know what to think about this. I can't have cats due to allergies.My sister, who is a vet tech and avid animal lover had her cats declawed. She never described it like the person in the article. She said it was a quick and not very painful process. I understand why people do it, but I do not like any unnecessary procedure that would cause a lot of pain. I hate tail and ear clipping. My Yorkie has a nubby tail. He was a rescue from a puppy mill, where he was a stud. I often look at it and wondered if the bastards that starved him and locked him in a rabbit hutch even took him to the vet. Animal should not be forced to endure pain, so they can look the way we think they should. They are fine the way God made them.


You should pull out off your sister's fingernails, and then say "you're right, that didn't hurt".
 
2017-11-14 06:31:06 AM  
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2017-11-14 06:43:12 AM  
Now if they'd just end kitty circumcision.
 
2017-11-14 06:45:52 AM  

flucto: Now if they'd just end kitty circumcision.


I've heard juggling them is pretty brutal too.
 
2017-11-14 06:49:39 AM  
In other news, places outside of Denver that will perform this procedure see business boom.
 
2017-11-14 06:52:03 AM  
I'm just gonna say if you feel the need to have a healthy animal undergo needless amputation just for the sake of your own convenience, then you are not qualified to own a pet.
 
2017-11-14 06:57:06 AM  
declawing is barbaric and can leave the cat with lifelong pain.  If you need a cat declawed, don't get a farking cat.
 
2017-11-14 06:59:09 AM  
I feel sorry for those who do it because they don't want their kitty to mutilate the local fauna when they're outside, either intentionally or by accidental escape.  Amputation is a small price to pay for a lifetime of security and care.
 
2017-11-14 07:00:47 AM  

daffy: I don't know what to think about this. I can't have cats due to allergies.My sister, who is a vet tech and avid animal lover had her cats declawed. She never described it like the person in the article. She said it was a quick and not very painful process. I understand why people do it, but I do not like any unnecessary procedure that would cause a lot of pain. I hate tail and ear clipping. My Yorkie has a nubby tail. He was a rescue from a puppy mill, where he was a stud. I often look at it and wondered if the bastards that starved him and locked him in a rabbit hutch even took him to the vet. Animal should not be forced to endure pain, so they can look the way we think they should. They are fine the way God made them.


I was a vet assistant for a while, many years ago. She may have had the tendonectomy procedure instead of of the onychectomy. In the former, the tendon that allows the cat to extend the claw is removed, in the latter the first joint is removed entirely. A tendonectomy does seem to have less pain involved, but has its own problems. Mainly that the claw doesn't stop growing, and the cat can't wear it down, so the owner has to stay on top of that, or you end up with ingrown, infected nails. The onychectomy absolutely is as described in the article. It's an ugly procedure.
 
2017-11-14 07:02:35 AM  

DrunkenBob: I feel sorry for those who do it because they don't want their kitty to mutilate the local fauna when they're outside, either intentionally or by accidental escape.  Amputation is a small price to pay for a lifetime of security and care.


If your only option is either amputation or not having a cat, then choose to not have a cat.  If you already have a cat, take it to a no-kill shelter and let the poor critter get adopted by someone who isn't going to cheerfully maul it.  Amputation is never a price to be paid.
 
2017-11-14 07:03:33 AM  

daffy: They are fine the way God made them.


So you oppose spaying or neutering as well?
 
2017-11-14 07:05:08 AM  
Don't want your first knuckle cut off? Don't destroy the furniture.
That includes children.
 
2017-11-14 07:16:21 AM  

Arachnophobe: daffy: I don't know what to think about this. I can't have cats due to allergies.My sister, who is a vet tech and avid animal lover had her cats declawed. She never described it like the person in the article. She said it was a quick and not very painful process. I understand why people do it, but I do not like any unnecessary procedure that would cause a lot of pain. I hate tail and ear clipping. My Yorkie has a nubby tail. He was a rescue from a puppy mill, where he was a stud. I often look at it and wondered if the bastards that starved him and locked him in a rabbit hutch even took him to the vet. Animal should not be forced to endure pain, so they can look the way we think they should. They are fine the way God made them.

I was a vet assistant for a while, many years ago. She may have had the tendonectomy procedure instead of of the onychectomy. In the former, the tendon that allows the cat to extend the claw is removed, in the latter the first joint is removed entirely. A tendonectomy does seem to have less pain involved, but has its own problems. Mainly that the claw doesn't stop growing, and the cat can't wear it down, so the owner has to stay on top of that, or you end up with ingrown, infected nails. The onychectomy absolutely is as described in the article. It's an ugly procedure.


I'll have to ask my sister about that. As I said, I don't believe in causing undo pain to any animal.
 
2017-11-14 07:19:30 AM  
That is not a cosmetic procedure. There are to many unwanted cats and dogs out there. I absolutely believe in having your pet spayed or neutered.
 
2017-11-14 07:24:46 AM  
Good.  I'm happy to see this becoming more and more the norm.  Years ago (like 30, seriously) if you took your cat to be spayed/neutered, the vet routinely recommended declaw as well if they were to be strictly an indoor cat, and no one really thought about it. Probably because vets also didn't really explain what it actually entailed.  That being said, yes, in the early years I've had cats front declawed.  Yes, I hate that I did it but didn't know any better. Luckily, none seemed to suffer ill effects, no walking issues, litter issues etc.  But  I would never declaw a cat now, it's not necessary at all.  My four are all front declawed, but they were that way when I got them.

/will never declaw a cat again
//will try to talk people considering it out of it
///still sorry that I did it
 
2017-11-14 07:27:25 AM  

daffy: I don't know what to think about this. I can't have cats due to allergies.My sister, who is a vet tech and avid animal lover had her cats declawed. She never described it like the person in the article. She said it was a quick and not very painful process. I understand why people do it, but I do not like any unnecessary procedure that would cause a lot of pain. I hate tail and ear clipping. My Yorkie has a nubby tail. He was a rescue from a puppy mill, where he was a stud. I often look at it and wondered if the bastards that starved him and locked him in a rabbit hutch even took him to the vet. Animal should not be forced to endure pain, so they can look the way we think they should. They are fine the way God made them.


From what I understand, the pain is more psychological for cats.  They do a lot with their claws, they're like fingers to them.  Declawing can cause increase likelihood of psychological issues like biting and it also makes the cat less able to defend itself if it gets loose.  But, I think some of that is mitigated if you do it really young.

That being said, the most AWESOME cat I ever had was declawed.  She was just amazing.  She was a senior when we got her and I wish we'd had more time with her.  I would never declaw a cat, but I would find an already declawed cat a more attractive prospect for adoption.
 
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2017-11-14 07:31:36 AM  

daffy: I don't know what to think about this. I can't have cats due to allergies.My sister, who is a vet tech and avid animal lover had her cats declawed. She never described it like the person in the article. She said it was a quick and not very painful process.


Have your sister get her fingers amputated at the knuckles and then get back to us on that.
 
2017-11-14 07:35:28 AM  

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I have used those. If you have a easy going enough cat they're not that hard to put on, but they fall off, and not all at once.  So it feels like you're nubbing your cat multiple times a week.  But if you have a rowdy cat that won't be handled, it can be a nightmare.
 
2017-11-14 07:45:48 AM  
I hope this doesn't cause people who are afraid of their furniture getting destroyed to not adopt.
 
2017-11-14 07:46:06 AM  
This will lead to less adoptions and more animals being destroyed.

That's hard for me to wrap my head around since I have never seen a negative side effect in any declawed cat.
 
2017-11-14 07:55:55 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: In other news, places outside of Denver that will perform this procedure see business boom.


Yep. And then one wonders, if this expands, how long it will take before people start to notice a drop in cat adoptions. It won't be immediate but it's hard to believe it won't happen eventually.

 My wife has  lived with at least one cat in the house for as long as she's been alive, and all have had front declaw. With the newest kitten I brought up the subject of caps, but the constant maintenance was a turn-off. So the procedure was done, but ever there comes a time that it becomes impossible to have that done, then there just aren't going to be any new cats  in the house and that's all there is to it, because there are limits to the amount of mayhem and injury I'm willing to tolerate in my house.
 
2017-11-14 08:05:20 AM  

FLoridaDon: This will lead to less adoptions and more animals being destroyed.

That's hard for me to wrap my head around since I have never seen a negative side effect in any declawed cat.


Because if cats were people they would be upset.

Seriously.

The example to me seems more like asking a toddler amputee how much they think about their injury. I've seen kids without  arms, legs and fingers, so if that is roughly the consciousness of cats and dogs, I struggle to be too upset about it.

There's men out there who are convinced something was stolen from them with circumcision, too. I don't relate, and I struggle to value their emotional investment in the issue as being as important as available evidence.

I am fine with not declawing cats on the grounds that if you can't care for animals, don't get one, but I struggle to reconcile the available evidence to demonstrate a cat cares anymore than someone who sustains an injury before they can remember it.
 
2017-11-14 08:05:33 AM  

pdieten: ArcadianRefugee: In other news, places outside of Denver that will perform this procedure see business boom.

Yep. And then one wonders, if this expands, how long it will take before people start to notice a drop in cat adoptions. It won't be immediate but it's hard to believe it won't happen eventually.

 My wife has  lived with at least one cat in the house for as long as she's been alive, and all have had front declaw. With the newest kitten I brought up the subject of caps, but the constant maintenance was a turn-off. So the procedure was done, but ever there comes a time that it becomes impossible to have that done, then there just aren't going to be any new cats  in the house and that's all there is to it, because there are limits to the amount of mayhem and injury I'm willing to tolerate in my house.


The key, is not to get a kitten when you go to adopt.  You never really know what kind of cat a kitten will grow up to be.  Get a cat that's a few years old and knows who it is and find one who's personality is compatible with yours.  Not all cats are destructive.  Not all cats raid the garbage.  Some cats are pretty chill and will prefer a scratching post if you put one out for it.
 
2017-11-14 08:07:15 AM  
I'd like to see the Venn diagram overlap of bad human parents and bad pet parents. I assume it's pretty large. The same folks who decide that rather than discouraging their cat from scratching furniture by giving it appropriate scratching toys and clipping its nails they're just going to saw its paws off, are probably the same ones standing around dumbly in the store, shrugging their shoulders while their child has a Class-5 "meltdown" or at the other extreme just load their kid so full of pharmaceuticals they turn into a farking paperweight and then shove another screen into their hands to babysit them. Parenting--of humans or animals--is hard and just isn't for everybody.
 
2017-11-14 08:08:10 AM  
Took 3 cats for their annuals.
Requested quote to have them all declawed.
Vet Tech gave me gruff attitude about they don't anymore, inhumane, whatever.
Requested quote for euthanasia and disposal of all three.
Vet Tech storms off to consult Vet.
Vet Tech returns with quote of $80.
"OK, lets do it.  Is that declaw or dispose?"
Declaw.  You can pick them up after 3:30.
Thanks.
Yeah.
That was 16 years ago.
The youngest of that bunch is still alive, and almost 19 years old.
 
2017-11-14 08:12:52 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I'd like to see the Venn diagram overlap of bad human parents and bad pet parents.


How about the Venn diagram of Cativists overlapping Circumcisionists?
 
2017-11-14 08:15:04 AM  
My cat isn't declawed. She hasn't put holes in things (other than me) in more than a decade. She does put holes in me sometimes but that is when we are playing rough and I forget to say "claws". She is a killing machine, she likes to use her talents but has learned.
 
2017-11-14 08:19:16 AM  

Ambivalence: pdieten: ArcadianRefugee: In other news, places outside of Denver that will perform this procedure see business boom.

Yep. And then one wonders, if this expands, how long it will take before people start to notice a drop in cat adoptions. It won't be immediate but it's hard to believe it won't happen eventually.

 My wife has  lived with at least one cat in the house for as long as she's been alive, and all have had front declaw. With the newest kitten I brought up the subject of caps, but the constant maintenance was a turn-off. So the procedure was done, but ever there comes a time that it becomes impossible to have that done, then there just aren't going to be any new cats  in the house and that's all there is to it, because there are limits to the amount of mayhem and injury I'm willing to tolerate in my house.

The key, is not to get a kitten when you go to adopt.  You never really know what kind of cat a kitten will grow up to be.  Get a cat that's a few years old and knows who it is and find one who's personality is compatible with yours.  Not all cats are destructive.  Not all cats raid the garbage.  Some cats are pretty chill and will prefer a scratching post if you put one out for it.


Not everyone gets their cats from the pound. My brother lives in a rural place with unfixed barn cats. That's where the last two came from.
 
2017-11-14 08:20:55 AM  
Denver bans declawing of feline fur persons

A connection between cannabis legalization and non-declawed cats emerges.

And so it comes to this.

/Don't like declawing cats. But this shouldn't require a law.
 
2017-11-14 08:25:39 AM  

Mr Guy: FLoridaDon: This will lead to less adoptions and more animals being destroyed.

That's hard for me to wrap my head around since I have never seen a negative side effect in any declawed cat.

Because if cats were people they would be upset.

Seriously.

The example to me seems more like asking a toddler amputee how much they think about their injury. I've seen kids without  arms, legs and fingers, so if that is roughly the consciousness of cats and dogs, I struggle to be too upset about it.

There's men out there who are convinced something was stolen from them with circumcision, too. I don't relate, and I struggle to value their emotional investment in the issue as being as important as available evidence.

I am fine with not declawing cats on the grounds that if you can't care for animals, don't get one, but I struggle to reconcile the available evidence to demonstrate a cat cares anymore than someone who sustains an injury before they can remember it.


When the alternative is being destroyed in even greater numbers.

I get not all people should own pets(nor have kids), but there are loving people out there that are good pet owners that simply will not own an animal that will destroy their  house.


Anyways, I dunno... I hate it for the cats
 
2017-11-14 08:33:35 AM  
Good.

I have two cats. I keep their nails trimmed, and I provide the with things to scratch as a result none of my furniture has ever been scratched. Not even once.

I know a lot of people who complain about how their cat will tear them to pieces if they try to trim their nails and to that I'd say If you are incapable of controlling a small animal for the purpose of trimming its claws then maybe you just shouldn't own a cat.  It's not hard, you are bigger, smarter and stronger than them just pick the farking thing up and do it.
 
2017-11-14 08:34:03 AM  
I had a declawed stray show up last year, turns out he belonged to my daughter's friend, but the mom's new BF was (past tense because he's gone) allergic so they just threw him outside. Terrible. Poor thing is neurotic as hell but I love him. He's always trying to scratch and seems to miss his appendages.

My other two aren't declawed and they haven't torn anything up and don't claw people.

/I didn't plan on three cats, they just show up.
 
2017-11-14 08:35:27 AM  

FLoridaDon: there are loving people out there that are good pet owners that simply will not own an animal that will destroy their  house.


If they were good pet owners their house wouldn't be in any danger of being destroyed.
 
2017-11-14 08:36:44 AM  
Veterinarian here. I'll way in with a professional medical opinion (for whatever that's worth)......

Always try discourage declawing, and talk to the O when they first get a kitten about appropriate behavioural modification, scratching posts and other options like soft paws. Also always discuss the future, because here's a typical response - the cat is very active with its claws, tearing up carpeting, furniture, etc, but the O are ok with it because it's old furniture, carpeting, etc. now 6,7,8 years later they get new stuff and now suddenly it is a huge problem and they want this borderline senior cat declawed.....no!!  Tell my clients to be realistic. If it's truly going to become an issue then it is MUCH better to do the procedure while they are really young. They adapt well and we are very very very aggressive about pain control when we do perform the procedure. The vast majority do very well without any lasting medical or psychological issues if done correctly and pain is well managed. Banning declawing is like banning abortion - it won't stop the procedure from being performed, but will likely lead to less scrupulous vets and even non-vets performing the procedure under less than ideal circumstances!!!

BTW, America has a huge issue with not only destructive clawing but other behavioural issues such as inappropriate urination, marking, etc because we insist on taking these beautiful, intelligent, animals that are genetically made to be hunters, explorers, etc and force them to be "strictly indoors". Is it "safer" - yes.  Does it lead to boredom and other behavioural issues - yes. In most European countries it is considered cruel to keep cats strictly indoors, and they don't need to even consider declawing, nor do they have the high incidence of behavioural issues that we have in the states. Cats are hunters. They are the "least domesticated" of all our domesticated animals, yet we are fine with locking them up for 16-18 years. Seeems cruel!
 
2017-11-14 08:40:44 AM  
Acquired a feral cat from our old house, brought her inside for the new house. She clawed the couch a couple of times and we put a stop to that. Now she just claws the throw rugs, which is fine since she does minimal damage to them.
Cats need to claw SOMETHING to relieve stress, so get something that's okay to claw.
 
2017-11-14 08:45:47 AM  

hobbes0022: daffy: I don't know what to think about this. I can't have cats due to allergies.My sister, who is a vet tech and avid animal lover had her cats declawed. She never described it like the person in the article. She said it was a quick and not very painful process. I understand why people do it, but I do not like any unnecessary procedure that would cause a lot of pain. I hate tail and ear clipping. My Yorkie has a nubby tail. He was a rescue from a puppy mill, where he was a stud. I often look at it and wondered if the bastards that starved him and locked him in a rabbit hutch even took him to the vet. Animal should not be forced to endure pain, so they can look the way we think they should. They are fine the way God made them.

You should pull out off your sister's fingernails, and then say "you're right, that didn't hurt".


Cat caretaker here. Always been against declawing cats.  You can teach your animal to not destroy your furniture.

Also had a fingernail ripped from my finger about 12 years ago. I went to hold a door open for someone a bit late, finger got wedged between heavy metal door and metal door frame. Nail was pulled completely out. Only pain I felt worse was after surgery that they drilled through my shin and I didn't take my pain meds before the nerve block wore off.
 
2017-11-14 08:52:38 AM  

Mr Guy: Because if cats were people they would be upset.


If cats were people, they'd be in jail.

Normal cat behavior would be considered psychopathic in a human.
 
2017-11-14 09:00:24 AM  

FLoridaDon: I get not all people should own pets(nor have kids), but there are loving people out there that are good pet owners that simply will not own an animal that will destroy their  house.


If you cannot accept the possible consequences of having an animal in your house - furniture being destroyed, pooping in the house, fur all over the place - then don't have an animal in your house. If you have to resort to mutilating the animal or confining it to a small space so its presences in your house is tolerable, you are not a good pet owner.
 
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