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2017-11-14 06:48:33 AM  
FTA:  "In issuing that order, the board cited the covenants governing the appearance of structures in the neighborhood. The Webers argued that the mailbox isn't a structure."

Yes it is.

Next case.
 
2017-11-14 06:52:45 AM  
If you live in an area that has strict rules about the exterior of your house, you have three choices, you adhere to the rules, you fight the rules in court, you move. They fought and lost. Take it down or move.
 
2017-11-14 06:59:13 AM  
The first rule of HOA club is you don't buy a house in an HOA.
 
2017-11-14 06:59:17 AM  
Hmm...

1. Go to Google
2. "Legal Definition of a Structure"
3. Structure LawandLegal Definition.Structureisdefinedas "anything constructed or erected with a fixed location on the ground. Among other things,structuresinclude buildings, mobile homes ('manufactured homes'), walls, fences, billboards, and poster panels."
Could have saved you an arse load of lawyer fees.

/ianal
//will be happy to show you my briefs though///they're supreme
 
2017-11-14 07:00:20 AM  
that is NOT how I typed that.


/slashies broken?
//just checking
///pretty sure they are
 
2017-11-14 07:05:45 AM  

Reyito: Hmm...

1. Go to Google
2. "Legal Definition of a Structure"
3. Structure LawandLegal Definition.Structureisdefinedas "anything constructed or erected with a fixed location on the ground. Among other things,structuresinclude buildings, mobile homes ('manufactured homes'), walls, fences, billboards, and poster panels."
Could have saved you an arse load of lawyer fees.

/ianal//will be happy to show you my briefs though///they're supreme


Well if that is the legal definition then just remount the mailbox post into a Pooh hunny pot filled with concrete and then move the mailbox a couple inches back and forth each day.  No fixed location means it's not a structure.
 
2017-11-14 07:07:15 AM  
Fun fun fun fun fun!
 
2017-11-14 07:09:47 AM  
"The association board found that Tigger didn't match the architecture of the Webers' Langhorne-area home."

Problem solved:
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2017-11-14 07:10:34 AM  

daffy: If you live in an area that has strict rules about the exterior of your house, you have three choices, you adhere to the rules, you fight the rules in court, you move. They fought and lost. Take it down or move.


Fourth option: You run for election to the body who made the rules, change the rules, and cause all of the nosey busybodies in the neighborhood fight you.
 
2017-11-14 07:11:11 AM  
Where my tiggaz at?

Excuse me, "Attractive and Successful Cats"?
 
2017-11-14 07:15:29 AM  

Reyito: Where my tiggaz at?

Excuse me, "Attractive and Successful Cats"?


Tigga please...
 
2017-11-14 07:19:41 AM  
I like how it said rich upscale neighborhood.  If you can afford a rich upscale hone, wtf are you doing in a neighborhood, sounds like creditcardville to me.
 
2017-11-14 07:34:44 AM  
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First thing I thought of.
 
2017-11-14 07:37:41 AM  
My HOA has two approved mailbox styles.  I have one of them.

My fence, however, does not fit the approved style.  I put it up when I moved in without considering style requirements.  Three plus years later and no complaints.  If I did get a tear down notice, I'd tear it down and replace it.  You go into an HOA neighborhood and you agree to abide by their rules.
 
2017-11-14 07:52:14 AM  
HOA stories, summarized: sign contract, violate contract, whine about consequences.
 
2017-11-14 07:57:52 AM  

Archie Goodwin: [img.fark.net image 450x545]
First thing I thought of.


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2017-11-14 08:08:03 AM  
What sort of asshole spends 5 years fighting over a mailbox?

Oh, yeah. HOA asshole.
 
2017-11-14 08:12:54 AM  

flucto: HOA stories, summarized: sign contract, violate contract, whine about consequences.


It's not always that, though. More than a decade ago, I lived in an HOA. Here were some of my "good" times:

1. We would get nastygrams because we left our trashcan out...on the actual day of pickup. Conveniently, the HOA president had a "service" that would roll your trashcan back up your driveway for $25/week.
2. We would get nastygrams because our lawn was 1/16" (this was specifically cited) above "approved height".
3. We would get nastygrams because in the summer, we would use a pop-up canopy to provide shade when we had the family over for a BBQ. A pop-up canopy that was in no way affixed to the ground and was taken down and stored in our garage after each use. HOA bylaws only had limitations on fixed structures.
4. We got nastygrams because the tree in our backyard was not green enough...in the middle of the Texas summer when watering restrictions were in place.

I eventually got tired of the bullshiat and installed security cameras. The wizened old fark that was the HOA president was coming by in the dead of night to measure grass, he would literally follow the trash truck, wait until pickup was complete, then walk up to your door and slap a notice on it. This was at like 1 in the afternoon on a workday. The aformentioned wizened old fark would stand on a step stool to look over the fence in to your backyard.

I put up a no trespassing sign (which again we got a nastygram for but Texas law allows such signage and state law trumps HOA horseshiat) and started collecting evidence. Called the sheriff's and had him arrested for trespassing as the sign was clearly visible. I pressed charges, provided the sheriff's office with the video evidence, and he was convicted of a misdemeanor, had to pay fines, court costs, and do a couple hundred hours of community service because even our local judge thought this guy was a raging dick.

He quit the HOA and we later disbanded it. Surprise surprise, no one went apeshiat, property values remained the same, and we stop killing trees for someone's overcompensation and raging control issues.
 
2017-11-14 08:15:46 AM  

Pextor: The first rule of HOA club is you don't buy a house in an HOA.


Unfortunately in some areas it's extremely hard to find a house that isn't in a HOA.  It's not like busybodies use zoning laws and city ordinances to create HOA-lite areas in the non-HOA spaces either.
 
2017-11-14 08:19:30 AM  

Caelistis: flucto: HOA stories, summarized: sign contract, violate contract, whine about consequences.

It's not always that, though. More than a decade ago, I lived in an HOA. Here were some of my "good" times:

1. We would get nastygrams because we left our trashcan out...on the actual day of pickup. Conveniently, the HOA president had a "service" that would roll your trashcan back up your driveway for $25/week.
2. We would get nastygrams because our lawn was 1/16" (this was specifically cited) above "approved height".
3. We would get nastygrams because in the summer, we would use a pop-up canopy to provide shade when we had the family over for a BBQ. A pop-up canopy that was in no way affixed to the ground and was taken down and stored in our garage after each use. HOA bylaws only had limitations on fixed structures.
4. We got nastygrams because the tree in our backyard was not green enough...in the middle of the Texas summer when watering restrictions were in place.

I eventually got tired of the bullshiat and installed security cameras. The wizened old fark that was the HOA president was coming by in the dead of night to measure grass, he would literally follow the trash truck, wait until pickup was complete, then walk up to your door and slap a notice on it. This was at like 1 in the afternoon on a workday. The aformentioned wizened old fark would stand on a step stool to look over the fence in to your backyard.

I put up a no trespassing sign (which again we got a nastygram for but Texas law allows such signage and state law trumps HOA horseshiat) and started collecting evidence. Called the sheriff's and had him arrested for trespassing as the sign was clearly visible. I pressed charges, provided the sheriff's office with the video evidence, and he was convicted of a misdemeanor, had to pay fines, court costs, and do a couple hundred hours of community service because even our local judge thought this guy was a raging dick.

He quit the HOA and we later disbanded it. Su ...


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/trite
//cliche
///oblig
 
2017-11-14 08:26:41 AM  
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2017-11-14 08:32:12 AM  
I lived in an HOA community for 12 years. There were good things and annoying things about it. This year I sold that house for a huge profit and bought a smaller ranch house on 5 acres in the country. No regrets.
 
2017-11-14 08:51:23 AM  
I worked landscaping in an HOA community long ago.  There was one house that was constantly being harassed for lawn ornaments (none allowed) like those shiny balls and other innocuous if kinda tacky crap.  It came to a head during Halloween when they put a giant inflatable vampire-tigger up in the front yard.  Thing was 10 feet tall.  It stayed up a good long while, too.
/CSB
 
2017-11-14 08:52:57 AM  

Daemonik: Unfortunately in some areas it's extremely hard to find a house that isn't in a HOA.  It's not like busybodies use zoning laws and city ordinances to create HOA-lite areas in the non-HOA spaces either.


I ran into a freshman law student one time who declared he was going to run for office to eliminate pernicious laws like zoning because they were 'burdensome' and private contracts like HOAs could govern people more effectively at the local level.... 

I laughed out loud and asked him where he was from ...
 
2017-11-14 08:53:10 AM  
Decided to move somewhere with an HOA? You get what you deserve.

HOAs farking blow dicks. That's why I live in the middle of nowhere with ten acres of woods a quarter mile from the road and 15 minutes from anything. It's heaven, though, you do have to change your lifestyle a bit. You can't just go down to the corner store, but the freedom is totally worth it.

We have massive, obnoxious parties with live bands outside, I have an actual cannon I fire off every once in a while ...and I can mow the lawn whenever I farking want to. Screw HOAs
 
2017-11-14 09:01:36 AM  

Reyito: that is NOT how I typed that.


/slashies broken?
//just checking
///pretty sure they are


And I still don't want to see your briefs, either.
 
2017-11-14 09:03:50 AM  
This is the same state that allows for any group representing 51% of a condo complex to legally sell the entire condo complex regardless of who owns the rest, title and mortgage company be damned. Watch for the mafia buying that unit or two. Once they reach the halfway, they're done.
 
2017-11-14 09:04:33 AM  

Next week's Tom Sawyer: daffy: If you live in an area that has strict rules about the exterior of your house, you have three choices, you adhere to the rules, you fight the rules in court, you move. They fought and lost. Take it down or move.

Fourth option: You run for election to the body who made the rules, change the rules, and cause challenge all of the nosey busybodies in the neighborhood to fight you.


FTFY
 
2017-11-14 09:06:46 AM  

Perlin Noise: Decided to move somewhere with an HOA? You get what you deserve.

HOAs farking blow dicks. That's why I live in the middle of nowhere with ten acres of woods a quarter mile from the road and 15 minutes from anything. It's heaven, though, you do have to change your lifestyle a bit. You can't just go down to the corner store, but the freedom is totally worth it.

We have massive, obnoxious parties with live bands outside, I have an actual cannon I fire off every once in a while ...and I can mow the lawn whenever I farking want to. Screw HOAs


Nekkid?

/asking for a friend...
 
2017-11-14 09:11:33 AM  

MSBFDffpm: Perlin Noise: Decided to move somewhere with an HOA? You get what you deserve.

HOAs farking blow dicks. That's why I live in the middle of nowhere with ten acres of woods a quarter mile from the road and 15 minutes from anything. It's heaven, though, you do have to change your lifestyle a bit. You can't just go down to the corner store, but the freedom is totally worth it.

We have massive, obnoxious parties with live bands outside, I have an actual cannon I fire off every once in a while ...and I can mow the lawn whenever I farking want to. Screw HOAs

Nekkid?

/asking for a friend...


It's funny you mention that. We literally have a nudist colony on the next road down.
 
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2017-11-14 09:11:36 AM  
There is a mailbox I pass on one of my bike rides that is just a giant revolver, I thought the article was going to be about that.

/need to stop and take a picture one day.
 
2017-11-14 09:12:07 AM  
I've said it before and I'll say it again:

When you choose to live in a condo or HOA you surrender a significant amount of control over your home. The advantage to this is that generally you are assured your neighbors will maintain their homes to a certain standard thereby protecting your property values. The cost of this is that you are also expected to abide by those standards. Both types of home ownership are all about conformity, so if you're a non-conformist, these are not options you should consider.

So before you make what is likely the biggest financial decision of your life do your research and make an informed decision (this includes taking the time to read the estoppel / status documents, rules, by-laws, etc.). Personally, I work in property management and have served on five condo boards so I know the territory well and I'd never live in an HOA under any circumstances. That's just me and YMMV.
 
2017-11-14 09:21:58 AM  

Tyrosine


I've said it before and I'll say it again:

When you choose to live in a condo or HOA you surrender a significant amount of control over your home.


That is some groundbreaking research you're doing there, Dr. Obvious.
 
2017-11-14 09:29:17 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Tyrosine

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

When you choose to live in a condo or HOA you surrender a significant amount of control over your home.


That is some groundbreaking research you're doing there, Dr. Obvious.


And yet people continue to purchase condos and homes in HOAs and then complain about not having control over their homes.
 
2017-11-14 09:34:18 AM  
I've lived under two HOA/Condo associations, and would probably avoid it in the future. My current house is not HOA

My experience is that the quality go a HOA depends entirely on the board. Usually an external management firm has less of a vested interest in becoming a tin-pot dictatorship. An owner-managed HOA is scary, because it is run by the people who have the free time. The busybody type. Often retirees who want to pretend to have a bit of power in a life where they otherwise have none left, where their bodies are betraying them and the kids don't visit. So, they take a ruler to blades of grass
 
2017-11-14 09:39:21 AM  
HOAs - Home Owning A55holes.
 
2017-11-14 09:43:25 AM  
HOAs are the reason we have the GOP, Fox News, and Trump.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2017-11-14 10:21:38 AM  

The Lurker at Your Threshold: HOAs are the reason we have the GOP, Fox News, and Trump.


HOAs caused WWI.

It's true.
 
2017-11-14 10:23:35 AM  

Noah_Tall: just remount the mailbox post into a Pooh hunny pot filled with concrete and then move the mailbox a couple inches back and forth each day.  No fixed location means it's not a structure.


That might actually work at common law.  Here, it would still depend on the HOA dox, though.
 
2017-11-14 10:24:15 AM  

d23: The Lurker at Your Threshold: HOAs are the reason we have the GOP, Fox News, and Trump.

HOAs caused WWI.

It's true.


You're saying HOA's before (Band of) Bros?
 
2017-11-14 10:24:48 AM  

montreal_medic: the quality go a HOA depends entirely on the board. Usually an external management firm has less of a vested interest in becoming a tin-pot dictatorship.


Ding x2!
 
2017-11-14 10:25:48 AM  

Tyrosine: if you're a non-conformist, these are not options you should consider.


Someone should've told Rand Paul that, saved him a beating...
 
2017-11-14 10:40:51 AM  
HOA is the generally-accepted scientific term for a group of assholes.
 
2017-11-14 10:45:15 AM  
Years ago, when the wife and I were looking for a house. The #1 thing on my list was, absolutely no HOAs

I would rather live in a busted up trailer home full of raccoons than deal with those happiness vampires.
 
2017-11-14 11:13:22 AM  
My HOA never bothers me,  though the president IS  the busybody type and lives down the street.

A few years ago,  state law regarding fireworld's changed to be a lot more permissive,  so EVERYONE went a little crazy on the fourth.  The local cops issued apress release along the lines of "...make sure you are done by loud 11pm, and we won't get involved. "

It was great! Everyone in the massive neighborhood was outside, either setting off fireworks,  or walking around watching others set off fireworks. It truly became a spontaneous entire communurt event.

Then the HOA lady stayed to patrol in her SUV, threatenung to call the  cops because everyone was violating the HOA noise rules. Of course, everyone ignored her, and if she even did call the cops, they didnt respond.

She was so angry that nobody was respecting her authority, she started to behave irrationally. The wife and I were watching some folks set up the "tube/morter" fireworks that launch several explosive fireballs into the air.  They were launching from the street. HOA lady drove through the setup, knocking all of the ignited fireworks over.

Instead of flying into the sky and exploding,  the fireballs were flying around at ground level, exploding in the streets, in people's yards and driveways. It was truly a unique sight to see. Dumbass is lucky she didn't ignite her gas tank.

The crowd started chanting "Why do you hate America?" as she drove home.
 
2017-11-14 11:25:50 AM  
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2017-11-14 12:00:32 PM  
I'm sure that Tigger mailbox was destroying everyone's property values, so it had to go.
"OMG PROPERTY VALUES!" is the all-encompassing excuse used by HOAs everywhere to ensure the neighborhood is as dull, lifeless, and mushroom colored as possible.

/little boxes on the hillside...
 
2017-11-14 12:12:42 PM  
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What a Tigger mailbox may look like.
 
2017-11-14 12:21:56 PM  
Everybody loves Tigger, right?

After all, as Tigger himself says, "The wonderful thing about Tiggers is Tiggers are wonderful things!"

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///obscure?

///I was told there would be no math

///they lied
 
2017-11-14 12:59:06 PM  
Here's a solution: How about dumb-assed people stop making f*cking dumb-assed rules?
That would cut the number of HOA threads to zero. Might even cut the number of total threads by half.
"You signed a contract" and "rules are rules" is no excuse for dumb-assed rules, and you're an even dumber ass for sheepishly following them..
Done and done.
 
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