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(BBC-US)   Whoever's going to Russia for the World Cup in 2018, please step forward. Not so fast, Italy   ( bbc.com) divider line
    More: Amusing, A.C. Milan, World Cup, Juventus F.C., centre-back Andreas Granqvist, Striker Ciro Immobile, Lazio striker Immobile, Wigan defender Granqvist, Captain Gianluigi Buffon  
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2017-11-13 05:36:41 PM  
Win World Cup in 2006.

Fail to qualify for World Cup 2018.


That's a rough 12 years.
 
2017-11-13 08:12:33 PM  
Epic fail.
 
6 days ago  
...and then-a the murders began-a.
 
6 days ago  
hahahahahahahahaha
 
6 days ago  
Fifa World Cup.

Now with 25% less diving
 
6 days ago  
"Oh no, we won't get to go to Russia. We are so sad and disappointed. Yes, this is truly a bad result."
 
6 days ago  
This is practically the same Italian side that Conte took to the QFs at Euro 2016.  Says a lot more about Conte's managerial skills.
 
6 days ago  

IAmRight: "Oh no, we won't get to go to Russia. We are so sad and disappointed. Yes, this is truly a bad result."


I'm not one to wish anyone harm. Far from it. I will not be surprised if something massive happens in Russia though and there are deaths involved from shody construction.
 
6 days ago  

jayphat: IAmRight: "Oh no, we won't get to go to Russia. We are so sad and disappointed. Yes, this is truly a bad result."

I'm not one to wish anyone harm. Far from it. I will not be surprised if something massive happens in Russia though and there are deaths involved from shody construction.


I'm counting on it and I'll have plenty of popcorn on hand.

Russia has no business hosting a World Cup after what their fans pulled in France last year.
 
6 days ago  

Lego_Addict: Russia has no business hosting a World Cup after what their fans pulled in France last year.


We talking like English fan level brawls or just general shenanigans?
 
6 days ago  

smerfnablin: Lego_Addict: Russia has no business hosting a World Cup after what their fans pulled in France last year.

We talking like English fan level brawls or just general shenanigans?


They're violent like the English, but much more dedicated and organised. They work out, they practise and they plan ahead. England were their top target as they still have the reputation for hooliganism even though they've calmed down quite a bit since the 1980s.

On the complete opposite end were the Ireland fans. They were superb. Half the reason I was so gutted to see Scotland fail to qualify yet again was the missed opportunity for the Tartan Army to show the world that we can be as fun and friendly as they are, despite what a certain Saturday Night Live sketch from the 90s would have you believe.

The best of, the Irish Fans at Euro 2016
Youtube OyNnOujtup0
 
6 days ago  
Oh, and this one is my favourite. I can only imagine what that man on the balcony was thinking.

Irish fans in Paris - French random guy on the balcony EURO 2016 Irlandais / inconnu au balcon
Youtube Ipg4oxNw2b4
 
6 days ago  
See? The US is just trying to be like the Dutch, Chileans and Italians. We're that good!
 
6 days ago  

Gordon Bennett: Oh, and this one is my favourite. I can only imagine what that man on the balcony was thinking.

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6 days ago  
Trocadero:  Dutch, Chileans and Italians.

Meanwhile, CONCACAF is generously given 3.5 spots

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6 days ago  
It'll be hilarious if both Australia and New Zealand make it now. They won't though.
 
6 days ago  

Cajnik: Trocadero:  Dutch, Chileans and Italians.

Meanwhile, CONCACAF is generously given 3.5 spots

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And the world already has a European championships.
 
6 days ago  

baorao: Cajnik: Trocadero:  Dutch, Chileans and Italians.

Meanwhile, CONCACAF is generously given 3.5 spots

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And the world already has a European championships.


Europe v S. America and 3.5 generous spots for the rest of the world would be enough
 
6 days ago  

Rwa2play: This is practically the same Italian side that Conte took to the QFs at Euro 2016.  Says a lot more about Conte's managerial skills.


You realise Italy only lost one game in their qualifying group right, beating the third placed team by ten points?They were unlucky to be drawn in the same group as Spain. Should have beaten Sweden of course, but they didn't do so badly.
 
6 days ago  
Don't worry when it's 40 teams for the USA World Cup the qualifying rounds will be utterly meaningless
 
6 days ago  
I only feel about this result because of Buffon. He deserves better.
 
6 days ago  

Princip's Sandwich: I only feel badabout this result because of Buffon. He deserves better.

 
6 days ago  

Cajnik: baorao: Cajnik: Trocadero:  Dutch, Chileans and Italians.

Meanwhile, CONCACAF is generously given 3.5 spots

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And the world already has a European championships.

Europe v S. America and 3.5 generous spots for the rest of the world would be enough


Because South America has shown so we'll outside of Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay those two times (100 years apart).
 
6 days ago  
Princip's Sandwich - don't fee too bad, he won the WC in 2006. I was more sorry he didn't win the Champion's League last year.

baorao - I'm not sure you meant that? Brazil has won five times, Argentina twice in eight years (1978, 1986) Uruguay twice in twenty years (1930, 1950).
 
6 days ago  

Swiss Colony: Princip's Sandwich - don't fee too bad, he won the WC in 2006. I was more sorry he didn't win the Champion's League last year.

baorao - I'm not sure you meant that? Brazil has won five times, Argentina twice in eight years (1978, 1986) Uruguay twice in twenty years (1930, 1950).


I worded it poorly but I think you got the gist of it. The only SA sides that ever do anything are Brazil and Argentina. Also Uruguay twice, though I was thinking 1930 and 2010.

In any event its hard for me to buy the "World Cup should be Europe v. south America and the rest of the world should get 3 invites" argument when South America is so top heavy.
 
6 days ago  

baorao: Swiss Colony: Princip's Sandwich - don't fee too bad, he won the WC in 2006. I was more sorry he didn't win the Champion's League last year.

baorao - I'm not sure you meant that? Brazil has won five times, Argentina twice in eight years (1978, 1986) Uruguay twice in twenty years (1930, 1950).

I worded it poorly but I think you got the gist of it. The only SA sides that ever do anything are Brazil and Argentina. Also Uruguay twice, though I was thinking 1930 and 2010.

In any event its hard for me to buy the "World Cup should be Europe v. south America and the rest of the world should get 3 invites" argument when South America is so top heavy.


Also not trying to say I thought Uruguay won the 2010 WC. Just pointing out instances where they had made a final or semi final.
 
6 days ago  

baorao: Swiss Colony: Princip's Sandwich - don't fee too bad, he won the WC in 2006. I was more sorry he didn't win the Champion's League last year.

baorao - I'm not sure you meant that? Brazil has won five times, Argentina twice in eight years (1978, 1986) Uruguay twice in twenty years (1930, 1950).

I worded it poorly but I think you got the gist of it. The only SA sides that ever do anything are Brazil and Argentina. Also Uruguay twice, though I was thinking 1930 and 2010.

In any event its hard for me to buy the "World Cup should be Europe v. south America and the rest of the world should get 3 invites" argument when South America is so top heavy.


farking Europe is top heavy. It's Germany and Italy w/ 4 each, then Spain, France and England w/ one. That's it. That's barely any better than South America.
 
6 days ago  
I think the biasing is based mainly on how big the game is in that area in terms of fan base.

Europe and South America is defintely where most of the games fans are. It's really only Mexico that gets your federation as many places as it gets (plus most likely someone hoping that one day the USA will embrace the game).

Oceania probably deserves 1 rather than 0.5, but only if Australia goes back there instead of pretending they're in Asia to boost their chances of qualifying.
 
6 days ago  

Swiss Colony: Princip's Sandwich - don't fee too bad, he won the WC in 2006. I was more sorry he didn't win the Champion's League last year.

baorao - I'm not sure you meant that? Brazil has won five times, Argentina twice in eight years (1978, 1986) Uruguay twice in twenty years (1930, 1950).


It's more that he wanted to retire after playing the tournament, much like Zidane did. Now he can't even have a headbutting meltdown like Zidane.
 
6 days ago  

baorao: Because South America has shown so we'll outside of Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay those two times (100 years apart).



In 1998 the World Cup switched to its current format (32 teams, 50% advancing to the knockouts).  Since then:

76% of South American qualified teams have made the knockouts
59% of European qualified teams have made the knockouts
53% of North American qualified teams have made the knockout (thanks in part to Mexico's 5/5 record)
23% of African teams have made the knockout
20% of Asian teams have made the knockout

In that same time period Europe and South America have provided 77% of Quarterfinalists, 89% of semifinalists (the refs helping South Korea be the one exception in 2002), and every winner and runner up.

In the past two World Cups alone, 5 different South American teams (Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Colombia) have made the quarterfinals, and another (Chile) made the knockout stages.
 
6 days ago  

kevinatilusa: baorao: Because South America has shown so we'll outside of Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay those two times (100 years apart).


In 1998 the World Cup switched to its current format (32 teams, 50% advancing to the knockouts).  Since then:

76% of South American qualified teams have made the knockouts
59% of European qualified teams have made the knockouts
53% of North American qualified teams have made the knockout (thanks in part to Mexico's 5/5 record)
23% of African teams have made the knockout
20% of Asian teams have made the knockout

In that same time period Europe and South America have provided 77% of Quarterfinalists, 89% of semifinalists (the refs helping South Korea be the one exception in 2002), and every winner and runner up.

In the past two World Cups alone, 5 different South American teams (Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Colombia) have made the quarterfinals, and another (Chile) made the knockout stages.


Which is not wildly disproportionate to the allocation of bids.

Africa: 5 
- Asia: 4.5 
- Europe: 13 
- North, Central America and Caribbean: 3.5 
- Oceania: 0.5 
- South America: 4.5 
- Host: 1


I would support knocking a bid or two off from Asia or Africa for South America, but "Europe v South America only" is an idiotic statement.

It's all moot anyways since they are going to 48 in 2026. Then qualifying won't matter.
 
6 days ago  

Princip's Sandwich: Princip's Sandwich: I only feel badabout this result because of Buffon. He deserves better.


this was my only reaction as well
he seems like a class guy
/unless it comes out he gropes women
/insert italian joke here
/then another
 
6 days ago  

baorao: Which is not wildly disproportionate to the allocation of bids.


The numbers in my original post already normalized for this.  Even after accounting for Europe having 2.5-3 times as many teams as Africa or Asia, the teams in the later stages are disproportionately from Europe or South America (and not just Brazil, Argentina, and Uruguay)

It's all moot anyways since they are going to 48 in 2026. Then qualifying won't matter.


Which won't change qualifying much in Europe - most of the additional spots are going elsewhere (Concacaf almost doubles its slots; Europe increases by less than 25%).
 
6 days ago  
In the final Uefa playoff Denmark just put five past Ireland. Even Fark favourite Bendtner scored one.

Argentina lost a home friendly against Nigeria with Aguero subbed at half time after fainting. He's apparently ok.
 
6 days ago  

kevinatilusa: baorao: Which is not wildly disproportionate to the allocation of bids.

The numbers in my original post already normalized for this.  Even after accounting for Europe having 2.5-3 times as many teams as Africa or Asia, the teams in the later stages are disproportionately from Europe or South America (and not just Brazil, Argentina, and Uruguay)

It's all moot anyways since they are going to 48 in 2026. Then qualifying won't matter.


Which won't change qualifying much in Europe - most of the additional spots are going elsewhere (Concacaf almost doubles its slots; Europe increases by less than 25%).


I guess if I want to watch more little European teams not win against BIG European teams I will happily watching Euros and UEFA qualifiers.

I am ok with the World Cup having a global flavor.
 
5 days ago  

Cyrene Valantion: I think the biasing is based mainly on how big the game is in that area in terms of fan base.

Europe and South America is defintely where most of the games fans are. It's really only Mexico that gets your federation as many places as it gets (plus most likely someone hoping that one day the USA will embrace the game).

Oceania probably deserves 1 rather than 0.5, but only if Australia goes back there instead of pretending they're in Asia to boost their chances of qualifying.


Australia aren't in Asia to boost their chances of qualifying, though, they're in Asia to get TV money decent qualifying contests out of Japan and Worst Korea. And TV money.  I think the broadcast rights go for more in east Asia than they do in western Europe.
 
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