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(Some Guy)   "I met a man who despised me. He despised me for who I am, a veteran. And you know what? That, that right there, is the highest compliment I could be paid"   ( stonekettle.com) divider line
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10051 clicks; posted to Main » on 10 Nov 2017 at 5:50 PM (13 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2017-11-10 02:16:29 PM  
I despise you because your blog sucks.
 
2017-11-10 02:54:10 PM  
Did you punch him, Marine Todd?
 
2017-11-10 04:53:36 PM  
I joined the Sir Force to find a new path. I was lucky to have a home to go back to on leave.

Some weren't so lucky.
 
2017-11-10 04:57:26 PM  
You can find people on the internet who despise you for hanging your toilet paper in the wrong direction, not liking the music that they like or being able to spell...
 
2017-11-10 05:14:01 PM  
No, I do not want to know more.
 
2017-11-10 05:52:49 PM  
Wait til this guy reads Old Mans War by John Scalzi.
 
2017-11-10 05:53:56 PM  
I wonder how many farkers would end up airlocked in the first 10 minutes from Jim's FB.

/I for one welcome Mr Wright
 
2017-11-10 05:57:37 PM  

tdyak: Wait til this guy reads Old Mans War by John Scalzi.


How will he find the time to read books that aren't Starship Troopers?
I read it this morning before I read it on the way to work and then I read it while waiting for the elevator and two more times at the morning coffee break.""
 
2017-11-10 05:58:40 PM  
It's in my top ten favorite books.
 
2017-11-10 05:58:59 PM  

AirForceVet: I joined the Sir Force to find a new path. I was lucky to have a home to go back to on leave.

Some weren't so lucky.


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2017-11-10 05:59:05 PM  

tdyak: Wait til this guy reads Old Mans War by John Scalzi.


I would think that Forever War would be the better alternative.
 
2017-11-10 06:00:26 PM  
By definition, to be a veteran* you need to have had armed killers specifically willing to kill you on sight (typically before you killed them, although veterns need not have a combat MOS).  What is the big deal about some random ITG?

/* not RAH's definition in Starship Troopers - nor Uncle Sams: I think an uncle qualified as a "veteran" even though he was no closer to Viet Nam than Albuquerque.
// although presumably the Bug Eyed Monsters were willing to kill all humans, and nobody "in country" was really safe from the Viet Cong, and shells didn't respect the Green Line
///Forever War was better (and scarily more appropraite for today)
 
2017-11-10 06:01:11 PM  
Oh a blog.

/didn't read
 
2017-11-10 06:04:35 PM  
I tried to read that, and I still have no farking idea what the author was trying to say.
 
2017-11-10 06:04:47 PM  

abhorrent1: Oh a blog.

/didn't read


Well, make sure you remind people how enlightened you are due to your political bend, yes?
 
2017-11-10 06:05:20 PM  
Wonder what he'd be like if he'd read "The Forever War" instead.
 
2017-11-10 06:05:22 PM  
Oh hey, tomorrow is veteran's day. I need to thank the vets in my life for their service.
No desire to read this rambling diatribe about service and whatever butthurt this individual has.
 
2017-11-10 06:05:28 PM  
doesn't sound like he actually met or talked with the guy
 
2017-11-10 06:08:47 PM  
Meh.
 
2017-11-10 06:10:01 PM  

bigfatbuddhist: You can find people on the internet who despise you for hanging your toilet paper in the wrong direction, not liking the music that they like or being able to spell...


To the front, asshole.  There is only one way.
 
2017-11-10 06:10:51 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: I tried to read that, and I still have no farking idea what the author was trying to say.


I skimmee over it after he started praising Starship Troopers.

TLDR: Guy is a moron.
 
2017-11-10 06:11:12 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: I tried to read that, and I still have no farking idea what the author was trying to say.


I served so I am better than you, should be thanked endlessly and never ever be questioned.
 
2017-11-10 06:12:50 PM  

Shryke: abhorrent1: Oh a blog.

/didn't read

Well, make sure you remind people how enlightened you are due to your political bend, yes?


I don't even own a blog.
 
2017-11-10 06:12:50 PM  
So it goes.
 
2017-11-10 06:13:25 PM  
It's not the veterans people should be hating. Most of us joined at the age of 18 often because we were outcasts or knew college was going to be a bust and needed a family.

Some of us have seen terrible things, some of us feel terrible for what we had to do or be a part of at times. I believe that the people that we should be angry at are those who decide to send us to the "dark corners of the world" (whatever that means) and expect us to prosecute a war there.

An eighteen year old man may not have the foresight and clarity to know a bad situation when he sees one, but a 60 year old man who orders the pieces in motion knows damn well what is about to happen.
 
2017-11-10 06:14:31 PM  

dsmith42: I would think that Forever War would be the better alternative.


LedLawless: Wonder what he'd be like if he'd read "The Forever War" instead.


Didn't bother reading TFA, did you? He mentioned Forever War as antithesis to Starship Troopers in TFA.
 
2017-11-10 06:15:22 PM  
So you encountered a troll. Someone explain to him what a troll is and get over yourself.
 
2017-11-10 06:15:26 PM  
I can tell most of you didn't read it and are just assuming what it was about.  Oh well, we all do that at some time or another.
 
2017-11-10 06:15:38 PM  
Yeah, I burned out after a few paragraphs, I admit.
 
2017-11-10 06:16:50 PM  
I don't despise all veterans, but I also know most of them aren't "heroes". They're regular people, with all the good and bad qualities of the population at large.  A few angels, a few devils, and most are just getting through their lives.

The endless military dick-sucking is pretty cringe-worthy. We'd do better to show our support with a pay bump for the lower grades and better support services. Also, let's stop sending them off to kill and die for no good reason.
 
2017-11-10 06:18:04 PM  
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2017-11-10 06:21:38 PM  
I'm a big fan of Stonekettle Station. I don't always agree with him and he's pretty long-winded but I always look forward to his next post. Thanks, OP.
 
2017-11-10 06:21:51 PM  
Make war, not love.
 
2017-11-10 06:21:56 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: I tried to read that, and I still have no farking idea what the author was trying to say.


"Be that as it may, given human nature, for now war must often be done and our nation, our world, needs those who would fight, who would stand rough and ready to do violence in their name. It is a duty, a profession, a job, and a calling that must be done."
 
2017-11-10 06:22:49 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: By definition, to be a veteran* you need to have had armed killers specifically willing to kill you on sight (typically before you killed them, although veterns need not have a combat MOS).  What is the big deal about some random ITG?


For someone who was not in the armed forces, can you further explain that?  I knew a guy who says he was a veteran of WWII and Korean War.  As we were talking, he said he was in boot camp when the war was declared over, and his discharge came up right as they were preparing to deploy for Korea in 1950.  Does that mean he served in wartime, like he says he did?

I don't think my father is considered a Vietnam vet.  He is a veteran in that he served, but he never went to Vietnam (took his discharge before he could be shipped out).

Thanks for helping someone understand.
 
2017-11-10 06:24:03 PM  
If you find a home in a military and embrace it willingly, even if the cause is immoral and unjustifiable (and you admit this), then he really doesn't have the space or the place to criticize people who are self-reflective enough to make those decisions and be open about that ambiguity.

Eff this guy and his pseudo-deepness. It's as transparent as Lazarus Long's desire to fark his own mom.
 
2017-11-10 06:24:27 PM  

fastfxr: The Dog Ate My Homework: I tried to read that, and I still have no farking idea what the author was trying to say.

I skimmee over it after he started praising Starship Troopers.

TLDR: Guy is a moron.


Nope.  You are the moron.  Jim Wright is wordy, but worth the read.
 
2017-11-10 06:24:52 PM  
I feel like he didn't get the point of the story.
 
2017-11-10 06:28:53 PM  

Somacandra: If you find a home in a military and embrace it willingly, even if the cause is immoral and unjustifiable (and you admit this), then he really doesn't have the space or the place to criticize people who are self-reflective enough to make those decisions and be open about that ambiguity.

Eff this guy and his pseudo-deepness. It's as transparent as Lazarus Long's desire to fark his own mom.


Please quote the criticism?
 
2017-11-10 06:29:50 PM  
> It wasn't always so. When I was growing up, society openly despised the soldier.

yeah really? all of society? sounds like this farkstick has widely extrapolated from the right-wing myth that hippies would routinely spit on soldiers. Spitting on soldiers is a myth.

Right wingers loved our boys fighting in Vietnam, while those on the left tended to pity not despise them. It was the policy makers behind the war who were despised. Sounds like this guy likes to conflate "support our troops" with "support our war" as has been done ever since.

you know what was Billboard's #1 hit single of the year?

Ballad of the Green Berets - [HD] - - - SSGT Barry SADLER
Youtube m5WJJVSE_BE
 
2017-11-10 06:30:27 PM  
Goddam there are some edgy MFers up in here tonight!
 
2017-11-10 06:31:33 PM  

broadwayLamb: I don't despise all veterans, but I also know most of them aren't "heroes". They're regular people, with all the good and bad qualities of the population at large.


Pretty much this. A number of my friends, relatives, and co-workers served for a few years or are still in, and they're shockingly ordinary. They're probably not a statistically representative sample of all military people though.

Starship Troopers ~= WW2 in space. Forever War ~= Vietnam in space. Both worth reading, but I thought Forever War was better because it seemed more relevant to the way the world is now.
 
2017-11-10 06:35:43 PM  
Funny how he keeps comparing soldiers to firemen while ignoring some essential differences between war and fire.
 
2017-11-10 06:37:36 PM  

omg bbq: It's not the veterans people should be hating.


Good, because nobody is hating on them for being veterans.
 
2017-11-10 06:37:48 PM  

Shryke: Somacandra: If you find a home in a military and embrace it willingly, even if the cause is immoral and unjustifiable (and you admit this), then he really doesn't have the space or the place to criticize people who are self-reflective enough to make those decisions and be open about that ambiguity.

Eff this guy and his pseudo-deepness. It's as transparent as Lazarus Long's desire to fark his own mom.

Please quote the criticism?

===

"But it must be done in a certain way, you see. It's okay to write about war, to set novels among the conflagration and tell tales of glory and honor and sacrifice, so long as those who are caught up in its horror resent their own service."

His half-assed retraction a few paragraphs later is not believablre It merely self-contradicts the paragraph I quoted. You can't backhand veterans for being publicly conflicted and then go "all veterans matter" a few paragraphs later. That's even worse. I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he meant what he said above.
 
2017-11-10 06:38:20 PM  
There is this strange thing, whenever I see/hear/read on the US military.

Americans are proud of their armed forces, the grand majority. They always are so thankful for the military, and keep thanking them for defending their freedoms and their nation.

For a time, I was resentful of that, because as a Mexican, we don't see the military in such rose-tinted glasses. We remember the massacre of '68, how it was used during the Mexican Revolution, and in recent times, how it was used and abused by the government when fighting against the cartels (or used and abused by the cartels to counter the government).

Don't get me wrong, the Mexican Military is also full of patriotic men and women who do their duty to help their nation, and many times during a storm, or in the recent earthquakes they have chipped in. But, we don't admire them in the same way you guys do.

Not even the police, or anyone.

... You guys have it pretty good, all things considered.
 
2017-11-10 06:38:51 PM  
I don't see how anyone can hate a person who saves the lives of animals.
 
2017-11-10 06:39:09 PM  

Wenchmaster: dsmith42: I would think that Forever War would be the better alternative.

LedLawless: Wonder what he'd be like if he'd read "The Forever War" instead.

Didn't bother reading TFA, did you? He mentioned Forever War as antithesis to Starship Troopers in TFA.


This is Fark, isn't it?
 
2017-11-10 06:39:41 PM  
If it was just a day or two a year to be reminded of servicemen's sacrifices, I wouldn't mind so much. But the US has such an uncritical approach to its military that it really is in need of a reality check. Like, it's not even as dangerous an occupation as you might think. The logging industry is far worse, but at least I can get some nice furniture out of it.

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2017-11-10 06:40:48 PM  

Somacandra: Shryke: Somacandra: If you find a home in a military and embrace it willingly, even if the cause is immoral and unjustifiable (and you admit this), then he really doesn't have the space or the place to criticize people who are self-reflective enough to make those decisions and be open about that ambiguity.

Eff this guy and his pseudo-deepness. It's as transparent as Lazarus Long's desire to fark his own mom.

Please quote the criticism?
===

"But it must be done in a certain way, you see. It's okay to write about war, to set novels among the conflagration and tell tales of glory and honor and sacrifice, so long as those who are caught up in its horror resent their own service."

His half-assed retraction a few paragraphs later is not believablre It merely self-contradicts the paragraph I quoted. You can't backhand veterans for being publicly conflicted and then go "all veterans matter" a few paragraphs later. That's even worse. I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he meant what he said above.


This makes no sense, unless you feel a de facto hatred of veterans is a reasonable belief.
 
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