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(CBS Chicago)   Obama was sent home after reporting for jury duty in Chicago. Apparently the lawyers felt that since he only commanded the war against Middle East terrorists, he just wasn't ready to take on a case involving Chicago criminals   ( chicago.cbslocal.com) divider line
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2017-11-10 12:44:00 AM  
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2017-11-10 12:46:24 AM  
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2017-11-10 12:56:17 AM  
In a shocking twist, right wing news outlets are reporting Obama was sent home pending suspicion that he had colluded with the criminal on trial...

/Not sure if joking
 
2017-11-10 12:59:16 AM  
The judge ruled that, until such time as Mr. Obama produces his birth certificate, he will be ineligible for jury duty.
 
2017-11-10 03:33:05 AM  
Judge: "yyyyyeah, I'm gona go ahead and say you've done your civic duty. Go home and watch football or something Mr. President."
 
2017-11-10 03:45:05 AM  
Trumpy: 4 student exemptions and bone spurs to avoid serving in Vietnam. Right wing media: Totally cool with it.

Obama: Shows up in person to respond to jury duty summons and is dismissed (like about half of those selected), because the trial is supposed to be about the accused, not the jurors. Right wing media: Look at that lazy black guy! Too incompetent to serve on a jury! HURR DURR
 
2017-11-10 03:45:27 AM  
Even if he was never president he would probally get disqualified for being a lawyer.
 
2017-11-10 03:45:31 AM  
I bet he demanded to be the jury foreman.  He truly is the usurper in chief.
 
2017-11-10 04:04:51 AM  

delciotto: Even if he was never president he would probally get disqualified for being a lawyer.


Yep.  Only thing that'll get you kicked off a jury faster is being a cop.
 
2017-11-10 04:12:16 AM  
Celebrities often get excused, since their presence can be too big of a distraction to the other jurors and the media, which could lead to the defense attorney filing for a mistrial.
 
2017-11-10 04:12:31 AM  
I figured they'd never want him on the jury.  They want weak, easily influenced minds.
 
2017-11-10 04:20:58 AM  
I almost ended up on a jury taking on gangs in Chicago.  There were like 7 defendants, literally pages and pages and pages of witness names.  The trial was slated to be 3-4 months long.  idk if anyone is ready to take that shiat on.
 
2017-11-10 04:31:15 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Trumpy: 4 student exemptions and bone spurs to avoid serving in Vietnam. Right wing media: Totally cool with it.

Obama: Shows up in person to respond to jury duty summons and is dismissed (like about half of those selected), because the trial is supposed to be about the accused, not the jurors. Right wing media: Look at that lazy black guy! Too incompetent to serve on a jury! HURR DURR


I have as bleedingist as liberal heart as any liberal on Fark, but man, let the conservatives make the first attack. He wasn't dismissed personally  (though I think any President should, simply because of the publicity which would invariably create a circus of the smallest of trials) but the whole set of jurors.

And there were no right wing jokes about a black man not working that I saw.

Saying that without the simple "I bet they'll say," preface just helps propagate divisiveness. So don't help fuel hate fires. Unless you're a Russian troll, in which case, hey, you're just doing your job and everybody needs a paycheck, man.
 
2017-11-10 04:41:06 AM  

delciotto: Even if he was never president he would probally get disqualified for being a lawyer.


This - no lawyer worth a nickel is EVER going to let another lawyer sit on a jury in a case he is trying.
 
2017-11-10 04:45:20 AM  
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2017-11-10 04:51:40 AM  
"I need a show of hands from the potential jurors... who in this room has been the victim of a crime?  Okay... who has had a close family member who was the victim of a violent crime?  Thank you... Now, any of you manage a nation for eight years, bringing it out of recession, killing its most elusive enemies and insuring tens of millions of its working poor... Ah, the black fellow in the back... thank you..."
 
2017-11-10 05:02:58 AM  
I seem to remember after the 2004 election, that John Kerry was selected for jury duty and served. Pretty sure he is a lawyer...

Yep, here it is - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-k​err​y-jury-foreman/
 
2017-11-10 05:09:09 AM  

darkmythology: In a shocking twist, right wing news outlets are reporting Obama was sent home pending suspicion that he had colluded with the criminal on trial...

/Not sure if joking


Odds are 50-50 that a case involving a Chicago alderman was on the docket.
 
2017-11-10 05:17:33 AM  
Obama worked the jury room, greeting and thanking other citizens for their jury service. At one point he looked over the room and said, "This looks like Chicago!"

I'd like to point out that Obama isn't ever going to campaign for any position ever again, and isn't particularly involved in the Party's campaigning in general.

This is what he is actually, genuinely like, naturally and on his own time.  Somehow we managed to elect the guy that other politicians have to pretend to be to even get considered... then immediately followed him up with the guy who is what most politicians are (but a bit moreso) and doesn't bother pretending at all because he knows his voters will straight-up construct their own fantasy worlds.

... this decade will never stop being weird as hell, will it?
 
2017-11-10 05:31:02 AM  
"Obama Called Before Judge, Ordered to Vacate the Premises"
 
2017-11-10 05:35:55 AM  

Terlis: I seem to remember after the 2004 election, that John Kerry was selected for jury duty and served. Pretty sure he is a lawyer...

 
Yep, here it is - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-ke​rry-jury-foreman/

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2017-11-10 06:19:37 AM  
No lawyer ever gets chosen for jury duty. They know too much about the process and don't fall for jury tampering  tricks.
 
2017-11-10 06:41:26 AM  

delciotto: Even if he was never president he would probally get disqualified for being a lawyer.


That is a total myth. Lawyers are selected for jury duty all the time.
 
2017-11-10 06:42:09 AM  

Murkanen: delciotto: Even if he was never president he would probally get disqualified for being a lawyer.

Yep.  Only thing that'll get you kicked off a jury faster is being a cop.


Last time I was called was for a drug case.  I've done some defense work, and lived next door to a cop at the time...NEITHER side wanted me on that jury :)

/would be interesting to serve on one
//will keep showing up for jury duty
 
2017-11-10 07:32:44 AM  

Toxophil: Judge: "yyyyyeah, I'm gona go ahead and say you've done your civic duty. Go home and watch football or something Mr. President."


 He's a Bears fan. He probably wants to be sequestered just to get away from his team for a weekend.
 
2017-11-10 07:51:49 AM  

lennavan: I almost ended up on a jury taking on gangs in Chicago.  There were like 7 defendants, literally pages and pages and pages of witness names.  The trial was slated to be 3-4 months long.  idk if anyone is ready to take that shiat on.


Years ago there was a trial about how much damage was caused because a dam released water without properly warning the people downstream and who should pay for it.

One of my coworkers husbands was called to serve on the jury.  As the trial was scheduled to run for months they actually let people off due to work hardship.  He served because the trial was scheduled for the slow time at his work so his boss said they could do without him.
 
2017-11-10 07:58:12 AM  
I served on a jury once for a sex crime involving a father and his daughter that took place 15 years prior. Statute of limitations was almost up.. the guy gave off the total predator vibe, but  we had to acquit because it was "he did, she lied" and the mom was all "oh boy idk" and the only evidence was a photo of the girl on the couch where the alleged molestation took place.

A couple years later, one of the defense lawyers and the prosecutor walk into my store. I recognized them immediately and we started talking about the case. Turns out he absolutely did molest his daughter...and her sister (whom we never heard about during the trial). He had fled the state, hid out in Tennessee until being dragged back by the police...(also never heard about in trial).

I have to report for jury duty this Monday and I'm absolutely dreading it. I have a feeling I'll be picked again. After we delivered that verdict in the other case I cried for days for that girl. It's truly an emotional process for everyone involved. I still think about her and hope she's alright.
 
2017-11-10 08:44:02 AM  
In the federal courthouse where I had jury duty, the big criminal trials were VERY CAREFUL that juries were protected.  No names, workplaces, spouse or children's names, or anything else that could ID them to an overjealous hit man.  Chicago, the Flower Power Hippie Free Love town it is, would probably never have that problem.
 
2017-11-10 09:00:32 AM  
Anyone with a higher education will get bumped from jury duty. Every time I've been called up, I just tell the lawyers I was an engineer and I'm out. Last round was for a statutory rape case, clearly called by the girl's mother. 40 witnesses for the defendant on the tab, one for the prosecution. The girl refused to say anything.

The prosecution went through almost 160 people before the judge said he would dismiss the charges if a jury wasn't seated asap.

Jury of peers == stupidest people in the pool.
 
2017-11-10 09:12:02 AM  

natazha: Anyone with a higher education will get bumped from jury duty. Every time I've been called up, I just tell the lawyers I was an engineer and I'm out. Last round was for a statutory rape case, clearly called by the girl's mother. 40 witnesses for the defendant on the tab, one for the prosecution. The girl refused to say anything.

The prosecution went through almost 160 people before the judge said he would dismiss the charges if a jury wasn't seated asap.

Jury of peers == stupidest people in the pool.


I'm an engineer with a masters in mathematics.  I served.  Although, it was a lot like twelve angry men:  Eleven jurors wanted to convict and I was asking how many 'S's in "innocent".  In the end, they saw things my way.  Maybe we ARE dangerous to the process... who knows...
 
2017-11-10 09:27:38 AM  
I dunno, Chicago has secret "black site" prisons they've been disappearing and illegally interrogating people at too.
 
2017-11-10 09:39:44 AM  

delciotto: Even if he was never president he would probally get disqualified for being a lawyer.


Prosecutors don't even like having people with bachelor's degrees in the jury.
 
2017-11-10 10:09:17 AM  
Each side gets a certain number of "strikes" they can use to get rid of jurors they think will be bad for them. With a guy like Obama, you assume he's going to dominate the jury. So chances are that one side or the other thinks he's going to be to risk for them to keep.
 
2017-11-10 10:23:15 AM  
Weak on crime!
 
2017-11-10 10:30:40 AM  
I like the way they do jury duty in Chicago. Where I live now, the pool is selected from registered voters. If you never want to be called for jury duty, don't register. In Chicago, they pool from driver's licenses and state IDs. It opens up the pool and doesn't discourage voter registration. If you're called, you are assigned a panel. You have to wait because the same panel can be called for several different trials if no one is selected. You don't come in for a specific trial. You might be questions for several different cases, depending on how many potential jurors have been rejected.
 
2017-11-10 11:19:58 AM  

Murkanen: delciotto: Even if he was never president he would probally get disqualified for being a lawyer.

Yep.  Only thing that'll get you kicked off a jury faster is being a cop.


or therapist who works with crime victims
 
2017-11-10 11:47:57 AM  

BizarreMan: lennavan: I almost ended up on a jury taking on gangs in Chicago.  There were like 7 defendants, literally pages and pages and pages of witness names.  The trial was slated to be 3-4 months long.  idk if anyone is ready to take that shiat on.

Years ago there was a trial about how much damage was caused because a dam released water without properly warning the people downstream and who should pay for it.

One of my coworkers husbands was called to serve on the jury.  As the trial was scheduled to run for months they actually let people off due to work hardship.  He served because the trial was scheduled for the slow time at his work so his boss said they could do without him.


That was why I was let off.  I told the judge what I did and while yes, I would be able to possibly resume my career, it would be abso-farking-lutely horrible.  He agreed.

The googles tell me it was actually 6 defendants, not 7.  Kinda spooky now, I had no idea what they were accused of until this thread reminded me and I googled it.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/lo​c​al/breaking/ct-met-black-souls-gang-ri​co-trial-20171002-story.html
 
2017-11-10 11:52:39 AM  
Celebrities almost always get excused from jury duty. The concern is their status could unfairly influence the rest of the jurors.
 
2017-11-10 12:09:30 PM  

Excelsior: Celebrities often get excused, since their presence can be too big of a distraction to the other jurors and the media, which could lead to the defense attorney filing for a mistrial.


I can't imagine anyone would be distracted by all the Secret Service agents standing around.
 
2017-11-10 12:14:48 PM  

delciotto: Even if he was never president he would probally get disqualified for being a lawyer.


As I noted in another thread, occasionally the prosecutor and defendant will both run out of allowed peremptory challenges before jury selection is complete. A lawyer of my passing acquaintance ended up on a jury that way.

On the other hand, the news that former President Obama had been called up had been going around for a few days before. Any lawyer worth half a damn who heard that an ex-President might be on the jury would save ONE challenge just for that.
 
2017-11-10 12:33:44 PM  

abb3w: delciotto: Even if he was never president he would probally get disqualified for being a lawyer.

As I noted in another thread, occasionally the prosecutor and defendant will both run out of allowed peremptory challenges before jury selection is complete. A lawyer of my passing acquaintance ended up on a jury that way.

On the other hand, the news that former President Obama had been called up had been going around for a few days before. Any lawyer worth half a damn who heard that an ex-President might be on the jury would save ONE challenge just for that.


Seems to me the judge would excuse him without either side having to use one of their challenges.
 
2017-11-10 01:49:44 PM  

rikkards_alt: Murkanen: delciotto: Even if he was never president he would probally get disqualified for being a lawyer.

Yep.  Only thing that'll get you kicked off a jury faster is being a cop.

or therapist who works with crime victims


Or a scientist

/am always the first one kicked off - except the one time there was a cop in the pool
 
2017-11-10 02:28:51 PM  
I thought it was nice for him to show up in person; he always seemed to take things seriously and try to set a good example.
 
2017-11-10 02:49:35 PM  

BizarreMan: Seems to me the judge would excuse him without either side having to use one of their challenges.


The judge might, provided the judge knows, cares, and neither side to the case objects to such excusing.

And of course, if the lawyer-to-be-juror has a connection to either plaintiff or defendant/respondent, ordinary voi dire questioning should reveal that as grounds for substantive challenge, and furthermore would present such lawyer-to-be-juror under duty of candor to make all efforts consistent with orderly proceedings to draw the court's attention to the conflict of interest - which would give a substantive basis for removal.

However, it's not automatic. It's just a relatively rare event.
 
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