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(CBC)   If the government says you owe them money, and that you need to pay them in Bitcoin, do I really need to tell you that something ain't right? Apparently so   ( cbc.ca) divider line
    More: PSA, Richmond Hill, Ontario, York Regional Police, Fraud, Linda, Bitcoin ATMs, potential victims, Richmond Hill, cell phone  
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2017-11-09 04:57:48 PM  
Are iTunes gift cards still okay?
 
2017-11-09 05:42:04 PM  

BizarreMan: Are iTunes gift cards still okay?


That's what I sent the IRS, and that's the last I heard from them.  So yes...yes they are.
 
2017-11-09 09:02:54 PM  
I am really enjoying all the Canadian content this evening!
 
2017-11-09 09:04:57 PM  
I got a call like that this morning.  Sounded like BS the moment I heard it.
 
2017-11-09 09:05:05 PM  
It's no different than the old "wire it via western union" or itunes gift cards. Scams chane with the times but some are still basically the same.
 
2017-11-09 09:06:15 PM  

BizarreMan: Are iTunes gift cards still okay?


Aaand... I got nothing.  Thread over.
 
2017-11-09 09:07:32 PM  
LOL.

/i is much smarter than everyone else, and am here to belittle those less intelligent
 
2017-11-09 09:09:05 PM  
Tim Hortons gift cards would be more believable.
 
2017-11-09 09:10:27 PM  
"Linda said the fraudsters called her cell phone..."

That should have been your first clue, government agencies will contact you by mail, not by phone. The only time they'll call is if you've already established contact with them and they're making a follow up call.
 
2017-11-09 09:11:03 PM  
I'd be like "how does the .gov know about my coins"
 
2017-11-09 09:11:09 PM  
Everybody knows the government only accepts Doge

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2017-11-09 09:18:38 PM  
I got two calls from these people.

They overplay their hand by threatening arrest, oh, and being a robocall from the government threatening arrest.

I could maybe see calling them back, sending them thousands of bitcoin? Not so much.

Retailer in on it?
 
2017-11-09 09:24:52 PM  
Even losers and even bigger dorks know the IRS demands payment in iTunes cards
 
2017-11-09 09:27:00 PM  
I know a lot of people believe that 'blaming the victim' is wrong; but I've yet to hear a compelling reason or justification for why that is true.

At some point, we need to take some responsibility for our actions.  If you believe the government wants you to pay a fee via bitcoin....well....that's on you.
 
2017-11-09 09:29:56 PM  
There's no limit to what people will do if you call them up and sound authoritative. It might not work the first 100 times, though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki​/Strip_se​arch_phone_call_scam

And then there's the flip side of this, when no one believes your ludicrous claim:
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2017-11-09 10:42:47 PM  
I wonder how many people they had on the line, but lost when the person responded, "WTF is Bitcoin?!"

/Subby
 
2017-11-10 12:02:27 AM  

Electrify: I wonder how many people they had on the line, but lost when the person responded, "WTF is Bitcoin?!"

/Subby


When I told my mom about this scam, that was her reaction.

/kind of strange that they would use something as esoteric as Bitcoin
 
2017-11-10 12:38:23 AM  
Was called by these guys. Told them I couldn't pay them because no one makes an FU coin.
 
2017-11-10 01:18:15 AM  
I had this scam tried on me last year, they wanted Walmart gift cards. {Really?} Needless to say I didn't fall under the sway of the guy in India who responded with "Brilliant!" to every little lie I told him. I knew it was a scam so I strung him along, I figured the longer I kept him on the phone with me the fewer minutes he'd have for someone that took him serious. Plus it was fun to jerk him around on the phone, make him think I was following his instructions to the letter. {I am obviously a pretty good actress}

I even went out to my car, unlocked and started it. Like anyone from the Government is going to insist that you stay on the phone with them the entire time while you go to a bank and get money and then to a Wally World to buy gift cards?!? I faked it for a while, through my 'trip' to an ATM to get cash and my 'looooooooong drive to Walmart'.

I probably had him tied up for 45 minutes to an hour. He did not take it well when I told him I hadn't even left my house as I knew he was a scammer from the start. He started cussing me and insisting I could NOT go back on my word, that I had PROMISED I would send him the money. He kept forgetting he was a 'Government Authority' and kept swinging back and forth between threatening me with arrest and telling me to suck 'things'. It was hilarious to hear him totally melt down!

Dude had tenacity though, called me back three additional times. The second call he tried being professional and menacing, this devolved into cussing me out when I laughed at him. The third call was all babbling and cussing and threats, I suggested he have intercourse with himself and hung up and the fourth call I let go to voicemail. That was a doozy of a message, a third of the message was in, I'm guessing, Hindi(?) another third was crude and vulgar suggestions and rape threats and the final third was unintelligible spitting rage. It was all mixed together though, man was it a mess. LOL I'd bet I killed at least an hour and forty five minutes he wasn't getting to rip off gullible people. It doesn't take a lot to amuse me.
 
2017-11-10 01:25:45 AM  
"The only way to recover it would be for the person who received the Bitcoin to send them back... If they're a criminal, they're not likely to do that."

Ummm....no.  The way to recover it is to open the bitcoin machine and retrieve her cash.  It's still physically there until removed, it didn't go anywhere and it didn't magically lose it's value.   The owner/operator of the ATM is benefiting from the proceeds of a crime, they can be held liable and the cash can be retrieved.
 
2017-11-10 02:55:56 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I know a lot of people believe that 'blaming the victim' is wrong; but I've yet to hear a compelling reason or justification for why that is true.

At some point, we need to take some responsibility for our actions.  If you believe the government wants you to pay a fee via bitcoin....well....that's on you.


It depends on what someone's a victim of.

For example, the 26 people who were murdered in church on Sunday because a psycho had a beef with his ex-wife and ex-in-laws. They were having a church service, and a piece of walking waste killed them. They deserve no blame.

On the other hand, when someone doesn't do your basic due diligence, they're partly at fault, too. If you don't lock your car and leave your purse on the seat, it's still a crime when it's stolen and the guilty party is the one who stole it, but you were pretty dumb about it; you knew that was a possibility and did it anyway.

This is that sort of case. A normal person knows whether or not they owe thousands of dollars in taxes. And a rational person knows that tax agencies don't say "send us thousands of dollars in untraceable funds, because the police are already on the way." If the police were involved, the next time the taxman would talk to you would be in court. :p

I know how these scams are run because I had one of them call me. I kept the poor guy on the line -- they're apparently not allowed to hang up until the mark does -- and after 15-20 minutes, he was practically in tears. I told him exactly what he was going to say to me next (I'd read the details). I made fun of him for being an incompetent scammer. I told him, very politely, to die in a fire. I mocked him in every way I could think of. And he was stuck on the phone with a giggling woman who not only wasn't taking him seriously, she was making fun of him. I finally had to get back to getting actual productive work done and had to sign off.

And it's 3 am and I'm passing out in my chair. G'night....
 
2017-11-10 11:31:06 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I know a lot of people believe that 'blaming the victim' is wrong; but I've yet to hear a compelling reason or justification for why that is true.

At some point, we need to take some responsibility for our actions.  If you believe the government wants you to pay a fee via bitcoin....well....that's on you.


Some people will just never get it until it happens to them personally, or a loved one...
 
2017-11-10 07:17:53 PM  

Worldwalker: On the other hand, when someone doesn't do your basic due diligence, they're partly at fault, too.


Not always.

Canada admits the equivalent of about 1% of the population as immigrants every year. Those immigrants tend to concentrate in a handful of urban areas where they can find people who come from the same country they did, speak the same language they do, eat the same food yada yada. Almost half the population of Toronto were born outside the country. (York Region is technically not Toronto, but you wouldn't know it if you didn't notice the signage as you crossed Steeles Avenue.) Some are not fluent in an official language, if they speak it at all. I can can understand they they might be convinced that this is legitimate.

Some of those immigrants are educated people with an understanding of Western laws and government. Others are refugees from countries with less admirable governments. Some come from places where corrupt officials are common and paying them off may be required to preserve one's freedom... or life. I can can understand they they might be convinced that this is if not legitimate then at least not optional.

At least one local radio station mentions the value of Bitcoin on the news. I have no idea why, as anyone who is interested doesn't need to be told over the radio during their drive home. But people who have no idea what Bitcoin is have heard the name come up on the business report, right after the NASDAQ and the price of oil. I can can understand they they might be convinced that this is legitimate.

When I look at that picture of a white woman using the pseudonym "Laura" I don't assume she was born and educated in Canada, speaks English (or French) fluently, comes from a country where practically all officials are honest and one's property or life are never threatened by people with real power, or even simply knew that Bitcoin was not a currency used by official government departments (There's an ATM in a nearby convenience store, after all... possibly even right next to one that serves up Canadian currency.) This scam looks very silly to you and me but I can think of some reasons why not all victims can be blamed.
 
2017-11-10 10:41:43 PM  

SirMadness: Fark_Guy_Rob: I know a lot of people believe that 'blaming the victim' is wrong; but I've yet to hear a compelling reason or justification for why that is true.

At some point, we need to take some responsibility for our actions.  If you believe the government wants you to pay a fee via bitcoin....well....that's on you.

Some people will just never get it until it happens to them personally, or a loved one...


If a loved one of mine did something really stupid that resulted in their financial loss; I would assign blame to them.  Hell, I've done stupid stuff that resulted in my own financial loss and I assigned blame to myself too.

In college I left a new laptop in my car while I was getting drunk at a party on a dimly lit street outside of a bunch of crappy college apartments.  Next morning, laptop was gone.  I'd left the car unlocked.  I was stupid.  I should not have done that.  My actions directly contributed to my loss.  Post-college I had an expensive bicycle stolen in a city with a large amount of bicycle theft.  I only had one lock (just on U-lock) placed around the center frame of the bicycle.  I later learned that this configuration of lock is basically worthless (youtube can explain it better) and it can be trivially broken using the frame itself as a lever.  Stupid me.  I lost a 900 euro bicycle.

It's not about my personal relationship with the victim.  It's about acknowledging some level of personal responsibility for our own actions.  Criminals who take advantage of stupid people are still criminals.  I'm not saying they should be allowed to operate.  They should be hunted down/arrested/punished/etc....

But that doesn't excuse the victims themselves.

Again, I'm not saying that ALL victims are stupid, or that ALL victims share some blame.  There is some reasonable standard of competence we should expect of fully grown adults without mental disabilities.
 
2017-11-10 10:46:22 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: SirMadness: Fark_Guy_Rob: I know a lot of people believe that 'blaming the victim' is wrong; but I've yet to hear a compelling reason or justification for why that is true.

At some point, we need to take some responsibility for our actions.  If you believe the government wants you to pay a fee via bitcoin....well....that's on you.

Some people will just never get it until it happens to them personally, or a loved one...

If a loved one of mine did something really stupid that resulted in their financial loss; I would assign blame to them.  Hell, I've done stupid stuff that resulted in my own financial loss and I assigned blame to myself too.

In college I left a new laptop in my car while I was getting drunk at a party on a dimly lit street outside of a bunch of crappy college apartments.  Next morning, laptop was gone.  I'd left the car unlocked.  I was stupid.  I should not have done that.  My actions directly contributed to my loss.  Post-college I had an expensive bicycle stolen in a city with a large amount of bicycle theft.  I only had one lock (just on U-lock) placed around the center frame of the bicycle.  I later learned that this configuration of lock is basically worthless (youtube can explain it better) and it can be trivially broken using the frame itself as a lever.  Stupid me.  I lost a 900 euro bicycle.

It's not about my personal relationship with the victim.  It's about acknowledging some level of personal responsibility for our own actions.  Criminals who take advantage of stupid people are still criminals.  I'm not saying they should be allowed to operate.  They should be hunted down/arrested/punished/etc....

But that doesn't excuse the victims themselves.

Again, I'm not saying that ALL victims are stupid, or that ALL victims share some blame.  There is some reasonable standard of competence we should expect of fully grown adults without mental disabilities.


There is a significant distinction between "Victims should take responsibility for the situations in which they find themselves," and "Blaming the victim is not wrong."
 
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