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(McClatchy DC)   "Dems' new plan for 2018: New candidates, more ambition" ... still no sign of "economic policy good enough to bring in hordes of easy votes" instead of "hey look at us we're better than the GOP"   ( mcclatchydc.com) divider line
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2017-11-09 11:34:32 AM  
When the other side's platform is essentially "complete destruction of american exceptionalism and the workling class", the only platform you need is "not those guys"
 
2017-11-09 11:43:34 AM  
In my experience, anytime the democrats present plans and ideas, they still get accused of having no plans or ideas.  It's starting to sound like a self-loading bullshiat cannon.

I remember seeing that during Clinton's campaign.  She could talk for a solid hour about exactly what she wanted to do as president and the pundits would hem and haw and say that Trump had more solid policy ideas.  Trump.  Mister "can't string a complete sentence without contradicting himself" Trump.  He had better policy ideas than Clinton.  Psh!

So now I just ignore that talk anymore.  The people saying it either aren't paying attention or have their fingers so far in their ears it's caused brain damage.
 
2017-11-09 11:45:30 AM  
It is almost like subby is completely full of farking shiat.
https://www.democrats.org/party-platf​o​rm
img.fark.netView Full Size

My god, just look at all that unappealing policy!
 
2017-11-09 11:48:12 AM  

Ambivalence: In my experience, anytime the democrats present plans and ideas, they still get accused of having no plans or ideas.  It's starting to sound like a self-loading bullshiat cannon.

I remember seeing that during Clinton's campaign.  She could talk for a solid hour about exactly what she wanted to do as president and the pundits would hem and haw and say that Trump had more solid policy ideas.  Trump.  Mister "can't string a complete sentence without contradicting himself" Trump.  He had better policy ideas than Clinton.  Psh!

So now I just ignore that talk anymore.  The people saying it either aren't paying attention or have their fingers so far in their ears it's caused brain damage.


That.
 
2017-11-09 11:49:23 AM  
If the democratic platform doesn't align exactly with my preferences then they are all worthless hippies/corporate shills.
 
2017-11-09 11:52:21 AM  
Why don't they just lie to people and make promises that can't be kept? Just be sure to tell everyone that what they're doing is actually working, and that their lives are totally better now than with that "other guy".

This seems to work in American politics these days.
 
2017-11-09 11:53:41 AM  
Didn't Democrats bring back the economy in 2009? Wtf is this sh*t?
 
2017-11-09 11:54:47 AM  
Man, lotta "Democrats" on Fark taking Tuesday really hard.
 
2017-11-09 11:55:17 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Didn't Democrats bring back the economy in 2009? Wtf is this sh*t?


Yeah, but what have they done for us lately?
 
2017-11-09 11:56:35 AM  

Markoff_Cheney: It is almost like subby is completely full of farking shiat.
https://www.democrats.org/party-platfo​rm
[img.fark.net image 850x592]
My god, just look at all that unappealing policy!


Platform =/ policy.
 
2017-11-09 11:56:49 AM  
I need a self-loading bullshiat cannon.
 
2017-11-09 11:56:49 AM  

The-Brain: Why don't they just lie to people and make promises that can't be kept? Just be sure to tell everyone that what they're doing is actually working, and that their lives are totally better now than with that "other guy".

This seems to work in American politics these days.


You call that working?
That ain't working.that's the way you do it
Dire Straits - Money for Nothing [Wembley -85 ~ HD]
Youtube uoaBjHYsDAg
 
2017-11-09 11:57:07 AM  

Fark It: Markoff_Cheney: It is almost like subby is completely full of farking shiat.
https://www.democrats.org/party-platfo​rm
[img.fark.net image 850x592]
My god, just look at all that unappealing policy!

Platform =/ policy.


Literally what
 
2017-11-09 11:57:27 AM  

This Is Bold Text: When the other side's platform is essentially "complete destruction of american exceptionalism and the workling class", the only platform you need is "not those guys"


Not if you want to win elections it's not.
 
2017-11-09 11:58:51 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: This Is Bold Text: When the other side's platform is essentially "complete destruction of american exceptionalism and the workling class", the only platform you need is "not those guys"

Not if you want to win elections it's not.


Were you asleep last Tuesday?
 
2017-11-09 11:58:57 AM  

Ambivalence: In my experience, anytime the democrats present plans and ideas, they still get accused of having no plans or ideas.  It's starting to sound like a self-loading bullshiat cannon.

I remember seeing that during Clinton's campaign.  She could talk for a solid hour about exactly what she wanted to do as president and the pundits would hem and haw and say that Trump had more solid policy ideas.  Trump.  Mister "can't string a complete sentence without contradicting himself" Trump.  He had better policy ideas than Clinton.  Psh!

So now I just ignore that talk anymore.  The people saying it either aren't paying attention or have their fingers so far in their ears it's caused brain damage.


Policy is nothing without a vision and a message.  It's just a list of things you'd like to do - and without an overarching reason to do those things it's just a list that nobody cares much about, even the candidate.
 
2017-11-09 12:00:30 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: AdmirableSnackbar: This Is Bold Text: When the other side's platform is essentially "complete destruction of american exceptionalism and the workling class", the only platform you need is "not those guys"

Not if you want to win elections it's not.

Were you asleep last Tuesday?


It worked on a small scale in specific areas.  If you want to change the political landscape more than being "not-a-Republican" will be needed.  Even Perez understands that and was talking about it earlier this week.  This is a start but there's a long way to go if they want to take back Congress.
 
2017-11-09 12:01:03 PM  
Also (and I realize whoever submitted this is just trying to run interference for Republicans), but it needs to be said in every one of these threads, troll-headline or not:

The middle-American white "swing" voter who voted for Trump doesn't care about economic policy. The only people who think/claim they do are out-of-touch coastal/college liberals or right-wing concern trolls.

These people would stay poor the rest of their lives if you promised them Trump would shave Colin Kaepernick's afro live on TV.
 
2017-11-09 12:01:11 PM  
Maybe because decent economic policy requires actually making some adult decisions?   As in, if you want to fix decaying infrastructure and attack social problems, you need money.  And to a tremendous number of voters, the only thing that matters is keeping taxes low and military spending high, even if the long term consequences of that is complete disaster.
 
2017-11-09 12:01:16 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: cameroncrazy1984: AdmirableSnackbar: This Is Bold Text: When the other side's platform is essentially "complete destruction of american exceptionalism and the workling class", the only platform you need is "not those guys"

Not if you want to win elections it's not.

Were you asleep last Tuesday?

It worked on a small scale in specific areas.  If you want to change the political landscape more than being "not-a-Republican" will be needed.  Even Perez understands that and was talking about it earlier this week.  This is a start but there's a long way to go if they want to take back Congress.


What Dem policies will win over Trump voters and why is that necessary to win elections?
 
2017-11-09 12:01:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: Markoff_Cheney: It is almost like subby is completely full of farking shiat.
https://www.democrats.org/party-platfo​rm
[img.fark.net image 850x592]
My god, just look at all that unappealing policy!

Platform =/ policy.

Literally what


A platform is a (usually vague) set of principles.  Policy is actually what makes a platform into, you know, policy.
 
2017-11-09 12:01:57 PM  
80 consecutive months of job growth and tripling the value of the stock market don't count apparently.
 
2017-11-09 12:02:00 PM  

FrabjousDay: Maybe because decent economic policy requires actually making some adult decisions?   As in, if you want to fix decaying infrastructure and attack social problems, you need money.  And to a tremendous number of voters, the only thing that matters is keeping taxes low and military spending high, even if the long term consequences of that is complete disaster.


Precisely.
 
2017-11-09 12:02:52 PM  
1.  Change vs. this bullshiat.
2.  The economy, stupid
3.  Don't forget health care
img.fark.netView Full Size

/say what you will of him, the man knew how to win elections.
 
2017-11-09 12:04:01 PM  

Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: Markoff_Cheney: It is almost like subby is completely full of farking shiat.
https://www.democrats.org/party-platfo​rm
[img.fark.net image 850x592]
My god, just look at all that unappealing policy!

Platform =/ policy.

Literally what

A platform is a (usually vague) set of principles.  Policy is actually what makes a platform into, you know, policy.


Actually that's incorrect. A platform is a set of policies.
 
2017-11-09 12:04:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: AdmirableSnackbar: cameroncrazy1984: AdmirableSnackbar: This Is Bold Text: When the other side's platform is essentially "complete destruction of american exceptionalism and the workling class", the only platform you need is "not those guys"

Not if you want to win elections it's not.

Were you asleep last Tuesday?

It worked on a small scale in specific areas.  If you want to change the political landscape more than being "not-a-Republican" will be needed.  Even Perez understands that and was talking about it earlier this week.  This is a start but there's a long way to go if they want to take back Congress.

What Dem policies will win over Trump voters and why is that necessary to win elections?


Maybe you missed the recent threads.  You can't win over Trump voters.  They're gone, they've been gone for decades.  Stop trying that.  Start trying to appeal to the people who choose "none of the above" because all they see is one candidate being evil and the other one saying "I'm not as evil, vote for me!" and they figure fark both of them.  Democrats need to be better and have a message if they want to win over those voters. Again, even Perez understands that, hopefully he does something.  The Dems were able to win a few small elections purely on anti-Trumpism this year and that's great.  They can't rely on that alone next year when there are much bigger seats at stake.
 
2017-11-09 12:05:24 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: cameroncrazy1984: AdmirableSnackbar: cameroncrazy1984: AdmirableSnackbar: This Is Bold Text: When the other side's platform is essentially "complete destruction of american exceptionalism and the workling class", the only platform you need is "not those guys"

Not if you want to win elections it's not.

Were you asleep last Tuesday?

It worked on a small scale in specific areas.  If you want to change the political landscape more than being "not-a-Republican" will be needed.  Even Perez understands that and was talking about it earlier this week.  This is a start but there's a long way to go if they want to take back Congress.

What Dem policies will win over Trump voters and why is that necessary to win elections?

Maybe you missed the recent threads.  You can't win over Trump voters.  They're gone, they've been gone for decades.  Stop trying that.  Start trying to appeal to the people who choose "none of the above" because all they see is one candidate being evil and the other one saying "I'm not as evil, vote for me!" and they figure fark both of them.  Democrats need to be better and have a message if they want to win over those voters. Again, even Perez understands that, hopefully he does something.  The Dems were able to win a few small elections purely on anti-Trumpism this year and that's great.  They can't rely on that alone next year when there are much bigger seats at stake.


So if they vote that way, how on EARTH is policy or message going to persuade them?
 
2017-11-09 12:05:24 PM  

FrabjousDay: Maybe because decent economic policy requires actually making some adult decisions?   As in, if you want to fix decaying infrastructure and attack social problems, you need money.  And to a tremendous number of voters, the only thing that matters is keeping taxes low and military spending high, even if the long term consequences of that is complete disaster.


Nah, it's a lot easier to believe that people who voted for Trump are just dying to join the World Workers Party if someone could just explain to them the benefits.
 
2017-11-09 12:08:07 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: AdmirableSnackbar: cameroncrazy1984: AdmirableSnackbar: cameroncrazy1984: AdmirableSnackbar: This Is Bold Text: When the other side's platform is essentially "complete destruction of american exceptionalism and the workling class", the only platform you need is "not those guys"

Not if you want to win elections it's not.

Were you asleep last Tuesday?

It worked on a small scale in specific areas.  If you want to change the political landscape more than being "not-a-Republican" will be needed.  Even Perez understands that and was talking about it earlier this week.  This is a start but there's a long way to go if they want to take back Congress.

What Dem policies will win over Trump voters and why is that necessary to win elections?

Maybe you missed the recent threads.  You can't win over Trump voters.  They're gone, they've been gone for decades.  Stop trying that.  Start trying to appeal to the people who choose "none of the above" because all they see is one candidate being evil and the other one saying "I'm not as evil, vote for me!" and they figure fark both of them.  Democrats need to be better and have a message if they want to win over those voters. Again, even Perez understands that, hopefully he does something.  The Dems were able to win a few small elections purely on anti-Trumpism this year and that's great.  They can't rely on that alone next year when there are much bigger seats at stake.

So if they vote that way, how on EARTH is policy or message going to persuade them?


Did...did you not read my post at all?
 
2017-11-09 12:09:12 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: cameroncrazy1984: AdmirableSnackbar: cameroncrazy1984: AdmirableSnackbar: cameroncrazy1984: AdmirableSnackbar: This Is Bold Text: When the other side's platform is essentially "complete destruction of american exceptionalism and the workling class", the only platform you need is "not those guys"

Not if you want to win elections it's not.

Were you asleep last Tuesday?

It worked on a small scale in specific areas.  If you want to change the political landscape more than being "not-a-Republican" will be needed.  Even Perez understands that and was talking about it earlier this week.  This is a start but there's a long way to go if they want to take back Congress.

What Dem policies will win over Trump voters and why is that necessary to win elections?

Maybe you missed the recent threads.  You can't win over Trump voters.  They're gone, they've been gone for decades.  Stop trying that.  Start trying to appeal to the people who choose "none of the above" because all they see is one candidate being evil and the other one saying "I'm not as evil, vote for me!" and they figure fark both of them.  Democrats need to be better and have a message if they want to win over those voters. Again, even Perez understands that, hopefully he does something.  The Dems were able to win a few small elections purely on anti-Trumpism this year and that's great.  They can't rely on that alone next year when there are much bigger seats at stake.

So if they vote that way, how on EARTH is policy or message going to persuade them?

Did...did you not read my post at all?


I read it. The only substance you had to offer was "it won't work across the country because reasons" and "you need something else"

Real genius, there.
 
2017-11-09 12:09:21 PM  

This Is Bold Text: When the other side's platform is essentially "complete destruction of american exceptionalism and the workling class", the only platform you need is "not those guys"


Yeah, but people are short-sighted morons who need a carrot to come out and vote and "bring jobs back" is an easy way for people to overlook even horrific acts about a candidate (See Trump).

Never underestimate how economically insecure people are and what they'll do for a mere smoke and mirrors promise.
 
2017-11-09 12:12:38 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: AdmirableSnackbar: cameroncrazy1984: AdmirableSnackbar: cameroncrazy1984: AdmirableSnackbar: cameroncrazy1984: AdmirableSnackbar: This Is Bold Text: When the other side's platform is essentially "complete destruction of american exceptionalism and the workling class", the only platform you need is "not those guys"

Not if you want to win elections it's not.

Were you asleep last Tuesday?

It worked on a small scale in specific areas.  If you want to change the political landscape more than being "not-a-Republican" will be needed.  Even Perez understands that and was talking about it earlier this week.  This is a start but there's a long way to go if they want to take back Congress.

What Dem policies will win over Trump voters and why is that necessary to win elections?

Maybe you missed the recent threads.  You can't win over Trump voters.  They're gone, they've been gone for decades.  Stop trying that.  Start trying to appeal to the people who choose "none of the above" because all they see is one candidate being evil and the other one saying "I'm not as evil, vote for me!" and they figure fark both of them.  Democrats need to be better and have a message if they want to win over those voters. Again, even Perez understands that, hopefully he does something.  The Dems were able to win a few small elections purely on anti-Trumpism this year and that's great.  They can't rely on that alone next year when there are much bigger seats at stake.

So if they vote that way, how on EARTH is policy or message going to persuade them?

Did...did you not read my post at all?

I read it. The only substance you had to offer was "it won't work across the country because reasons" and "you need something else"

Real genius, there.


Then you missed the point about not trying to convert Trumpers and trying to get "none-of-the-abovers" to vote.
 
2017-11-09 12:13:20 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: Markoff_Cheney: It is almost like subby is completely full of farking shiat.
https://www.democrats.org/party-platfo​rm
[img.fark.net image 850x592]
My god, just look at all that unappealing policy!

Platform =/ policy.

Literally what

A platform is a (usually vague) set of principles.  Policy is actually what makes a platform into, you know, policy.

Actually that's incorrect. A platform is a set of policies.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_p​l​atform

political party platform or platform is a formal set of principal goals which are supported by a political party or individual candidate, in order to appeal to the general public, for the ultimate purpose of garnering the general public's support and votes about complicated topics or issues. "Plank" is the term often given to the components of the political platform - the opinions and viewpoints about individual topics, as held by a party, person, or organization. The word "plank" depicts a component of an overall political platform, as a metaphorical reference to a basic stage made out of boards or planks of wood. The metaphor can return to its literal origin when public speaking or debates are actually held upon a physical platform.
A party platform is sometimes referred to as a manifesto[1] or a political platform. Across the Western world, political parties are highly likely to fulfill their election promises.[2] In the United States, platform positions offer important clues as to the policies that U.S. parties will enact. Over the past 30 years, Democratic and Republican congresspeople voted in line with their respective party platforms 74% and 89% of the time, respectively.[3]


Platforms are what politicians promise, policies are what happens once they take office.
 
2017-11-09 12:18:11 PM  
Dems won't win dick if their platform is to just bash Trump.
 
2017-11-09 12:18:55 PM  

Fark It: Markoff_Cheney: It is almost like subby is completely full of farking shiat.
https://www.democrats.org/party-platfo​rm
[img.fark.net image 850x592]
My god, just look at all that unappealing policy!

Platform =/ policy.


Let me guess, everyone in the thread is now arguing over the definitions of words instead of the topic at hand.
Every farking time.

img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2017-11-09 12:20:06 PM  

Markoff_Cheney: It is almost like subby is completely full of farking shiat.
https://www.democrats.org/party-platfo​rm
[img.fark.net image 850x592]
My god, just look at all that unappealing policy!


Here's the problem. That's a lot of words and a lot of reading and it might take a little bit to understand.

But shouting "we're going to make the economy greater than its ever been" is really easy. And believing that takes little to no work at all. And understanding? Well whats hard to understand about making the economy great.
 
2017-11-09 12:24:51 PM  
If the democratic party is a lost cause then you'd all better start working on an alternative now.
 
2017-11-09 12:25:19 PM  

Markoff_Cheney: Fark It: Markoff_Cheney: It is almost like subby is completely full of farking shiat.
https://www.democrats.org/party-platfo​rm
[img.fark.net image 850x592]
My god, just look at all that unappealing policy!

Platform =/ policy.

Let me guess, everyone in the thread is now arguing over the definitions of words instead of the topic at hand.
Every farking time.

[img.fark.net image 259x194]


Democrats have a great platform, mostly.  Their policy hasn't matched up to their platform when they've taken office, at least nationally.  Obama's signature accomplishment was the Affordable Care Act, which is the Republican healthcare plan from the 90s, and it's vulnerable to sabotage by Trump.  If Democratic policies under Obama (and Clinton, for that matter) actually aligned with their platform in terms of helping the middle class (rather than paying lip service) they wouldn't have a gaping, orange-stained asshole.

Democrats have a good platform but are terrible at follow-through.  Republicans have a terrible platform (for most people) but are better at the follow-through.
 
2017-11-09 12:31:19 PM  

Markoff_Cheney: It is almost like subby is completely full of farking shiat.
https://www.democrats.org/party-platfo​rm
[img.fark.net image 850x592]
My god, just look at all that unappealing policy!


Yeah but that plan was rolled out in a hot place on a hot day and the Democrats who presented it were sweaty. It's a lot like Howard Dean with that one random scream he clearly was less qualified then Bush.
 
2017-11-09 12:31:44 PM  

Gubbo: And believing that takes little to no work at all. And understanding? Well whats hard to understand about making the economy great.


And don't forget, the dirty messicans are the reason your brother is addicted to fentie patches and you haven't worked in 7 years since the plant/mine/mill/quarry/whatever closed down.

Fark It: Democrats have a good platform but are terrible at follow-through.  Republicans have a terrible platform (for most people) but are better at the follow-through.


Ok.
 
2017-11-09 12:31:47 PM  

Markoff_Cheney: It is almost like subby is completely full of farking shiat.
https://www.democrats.org/party-platfo​rm
[img.fark.net image 850x592]
My god, just look at all that unappealing policy!


If you have to go to a website to ready your economic policy, then it's not good policy. I knew Hillary lost during the debate when she said "go to my website to see the details..." (snore). I'm not doing your research for you.
If you can't give us a 4 or 5 word boilerplate on your policies, then it's not developed enough.
 
2017-11-09 12:33:33 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: AdmirableSnackbar: This Is Bold Text: When the other side's platform is essentially "complete destruction of american exceptionalism and the workling class", the only platform you need is "not those guys"

Not if you want to win elections it's not.

Were you asleep last Tuesday?


Were you asleep a year ago?
 
2017-11-09 12:33:34 PM  
Infrastructure and living wage for all.
 
2017-11-09 12:33:43 PM  
"Not only are party strategists planning to replicate this year's winning strategies; they're dead-set on making sure the party continues to find and recruit new candidates in races once viewed as too Republican"

So why is this a bad thing?
 
2017-11-09 12:33:51 PM  
There are no "hordes of easy votes" to be had.
 
2017-11-09 12:33:53 PM  
"If your economic policy can't fit on a bumper sticker then..."
 
2017-11-09 12:33:56 PM  
Another deliberately lazy "analysis" of the Democrats to divide progressives and keep Republicans in power.

Awesome. This is farking awesome.
 
2017-11-09 12:34:14 PM  

The-Brain: Why don't they just lie to people and make promises that can't be kept? Just be sure to tell everyone that what they're doing is actually working, and that their lives are totally better now than with that "other guy".

This seems to work in American politics these days.


What you mean like this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gVoKVxR​l​zcY

/for some reason the YouTube link was working for me on mobile
 
2017-11-09 12:34:40 PM  

Markoff_Cheney: Fark It: Markoff_Cheney: It is almost like subby is completely full of farking shiat.
https://www.democrats.org/party-platfo​rm
[img.fark.net image 850x592]
My god, just look at all that unappealing policy!

Platform =/ policy.

Let me guess, everyone in the thread is now arguing over the definitions of words instead of the topic at hand.
Every farking time.

[img.fark.net image 259x194]


Topic of the thread? You mean concern trolling?
 
2017-11-09 12:34:44 PM  
In before "populist economic policy is racist".

/robust antitrust enforcement? how on earth would that help?!?11!
 
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