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2017-11-09 07:22:00 PM  
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2017-11-09 08:21:11 PM  
Ketones?  Will it make you smell like an out of control diabetic?
 
2017-11-09 10:52:10 PM  
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2017-11-09 10:56:22 PM  

basemetal: Ketones?  Will it make you smell like an out of control diabetic?


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2017-11-09 10:58:06 PM  
Sugar. I bet it's sugar.
 
2017-11-09 11:03:57 PM  
Drink a gallon of MEK. Get your Meth and your ketones in one jug. Mmmhmm, good and good for you!
 
2017-11-09 11:04:14 PM  
Ketones and Wim Hoff breathing. If you are locked into burning carbs, you run out. If you switch to ketones, you have the entire fat reserve for energy. The only problem might come at changeover, and perhaps in sprinting. But the ultra marathons are dominated by ketone burners.

Wim Hoff method can pull all of the carbon dioxide out of your system. It also feels farking awesome.
 
2017-11-09 11:06:56 PM  
As an Oxford grad, I can confidently state this: the superfuel that keeps students there going is called "beer".  Happily, this fuel can be purchased by the pint at many establishments throughout the town and gown area.
 
2017-11-09 11:13:13 PM  
Old news.  Farkers (and others before Fark) have known about the effects of alcohol when consumed by a pack of males.
 
2017-11-09 11:14:09 PM  
fear, fear of your student load debt, keeps you going long after the coffee, red bull, modafinil, meth, etc. wears off.
 
2017-11-09 11:14:36 PM  

wildcardjack: Ketones and Wim Hoff breathing. If you are locked into burning carbs, you run out. If you switch to ketones, you have the entire fat reserve for energy. The only problem might come at changeover, and perhaps in sprinting. But the ultra marathons are dominated by ketone burners.

Wim Hoff method can pull all of the carbon dioxide out of your system. It also feels farking awesome.


One of my partners is a Wim Hoff devotee.  Me, I can't get over the Vogelpark Fountain story ...
 
2017-11-09 11:17:53 PM  
Article author should be ashamed.
Carbohydrates, fats, and proteins are essentialmacronutrients. This is not a fourth essential. Non-essential macronutrients include ethanol, acetic acid, acetylaldehydes, ketones, and more. The last two are secondary metabolites of other reactions.

Duh.
 
2017-11-09 11:23:22 PM  
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2017-11-09 11:31:38 PM  

fisker: [www.phun.org image 790x988]


It's like an H.R. Geiger album cover.
 
2017-11-09 11:50:54 PM  

FleshMonkey: Article author should be ashamed.
Carbohydrates, fats, and proteins are essentialmacronutrients. This is not a fourth essential. Non-essential macronutrients include ethanol, acetic acid, acetylaldehydes, ketones, and more. The last two are secondary metabolites of other reactions.

Duh.


Carbohydrates aren't essential by definition - you don't get sick or die without them.
 
2017-11-09 11:55:37 PM  
So they've found it at last.

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2017-11-09 11:56:54 PM  
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2017-11-09 11:57:04 PM  
This is an add not a scientific research discovery. Subby needs to watch the South Park episode where Jimmy is sat in a chair and looks at the web and decides which are adds and which are stories. Hard to tell any more.

Doh - I see scanman61 beat me to it.
 
2017-11-10 12:06:33 AM  
Started keto diet/light exercise and within two months forty pounds had melted away.

I'm doing extra ab workouts now to tighten the loose skin and am nearing Bourdain-levels of abness
 
2017-11-10 12:08:22 AM  
Oh, what a load of total bullshiat. It's yet another sham exogenous ketones drink. Those are nothing new. Drinking ketones won't do a damned thing for you if you're not in ketosis. You'll just piss them out. Even if you're in ketosis they probably won't do much.

But a ketogenic diet is indeed awesome. Just stick to eating good fatty food and ignore the snake oil baloney.
 
2017-11-10 12:14:59 AM  
Fad dieters have been rehashing the old Atkins diet as 'keto' for a couple of years now.

Obviously you should avoid sugar at all costs.  But you do need some carbs.  Don't feel bad about the >occasional< shiatty meal.  Reduce your portion sizes.  Do eat more protein and fat than sugar.  If you eat bread, eat real bakery bread instead of squishy white bread.  Ditch the sugary sauces.  Learn to appreciate the taste of sour/spicy/bitter/weird foods instead of sugar.  Even a bit of excess salt is better than sugar.

Cook at home!  Takeout is LOADED with more sugar and fat than you would ever put on your own food.

Regardless, you won't lose significant weight if you don't exercise.

/lost 35 lbs over the last year the right way
//I only drink water...and beer
 
2017-11-10 12:30:26 AM  
Clarke says Ketone sort of makes life easy and gives you energy that you wouldn't normally have.

Got news for you Clarke, and all the other hypesters... NOTHING is for free!

You don't get to take some low cal "product" that makes you hyper-perform that isn't a drug and/or doesn't have significant bodily repercussions.
 
2017-11-10 12:45:04 AM  
Sounds like a lot of Oxford drama.
 
2017-11-10 12:56:05 AM  
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2017-11-10 04:10:28 AM  

wildcardjack: Ketones and Wim Hoff breathing. If you are locked into burning carbs, you run out. If you switch to ketones, you have the entire fat reserve for energy. The only problem might come at changeover, and perhaps in sprinting. But the ultra marathons are dominated by ketone burners.

Wim Hoff method can pull all of the carbon dioxide out of your system. It also feels farking awesome.


I've been in and out of ketosis a few times.  True you have almost limitless energy when it comes to endurance, as you say the fat just keeps burning and you don't hit a wall like you do when you run out of glycogen.

What is true though, and the ad is misleading in this respect... you can't burn ketones anaerobically, so heavy lifting, sprinting etc really sucks.
 
2017-11-10 04:13:37 AM  

FleshMonkey: Non-essential macronutrients include ethanol,


You wash your mouth out with soap right now!
 
2017-11-10 06:30:08 AM  
Or you just eat less and exercise, without  farking your liver.


/boring I know
//This is the people version of cars that run better on water
 
2017-11-10 06:38:55 AM  

bogosperian: Fad dieters have been rehashing the old Atkins diet as 'keto' for a couple of years now.

Obviously you should avoid sugar at all costs. 
Regardless, you won't lose significant weight if you don't exercise.



You talk about fad dieters...then say two ridiculous sentences almost back to back.

Sugar doesn't have to be avoided "at all costs"
Many people have lost enormous amounts of weight with no exercise involved.
 
2017-11-10 08:56:11 AM  
Arguments over commas.
 
2017-11-10 09:48:51 AM  
I can attest that a ketone-generating diet loses weight and increases energy, libido and mental acuity. In July 2013 I read Gary Taubes' Why We Get Fat, and started on the Atkins II Diet. By Thanksgiving I had dropped from 215 to 170 and felt like I was 40 again (I was 60). For the next two years I felt great; cycled up to 100 miles a week while working very much full time (doubling my company's revenues and hiring more people), enjoyed a renewed sex life, and was full of energy.

But I missed carbs like an addict misses crack, and the cravings just would not go away. At Thanksgiving 2015 I broke down and stuffed myself with carbs over the long weekend. Bottom line? I weighed 214 this morning and generally feel as shiatty as I did in the summer of 2013.

Time to go back on the wagon, I guess, since that's sure to be cheaper than the ketone pills TFA is pushing.
 
2017-11-10 10:41:40 AM  
Somehow I think ingesting pure ketones while still horking down loads of carbs is probably a terrible idea.
 
2017-11-10 10:54:51 AM  

Oysterman: Arguments over commas.


It's Oxford...they'll have an extra comma.

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2017-11-10 12:03:36 PM  

Stone Meadow: In July 2013 I read Gary Taubes' Why We Get Fat


Well there's your problem right there. Taubes is not a scientist and his ideas have been thoroughly debunked.
 
2017-11-10 02:33:13 PM  

Omnidirectional Punching: Stone Meadow: In July 2013 I read Gary Taubes' Why We Get Fat

Well there's your problem right there. Taubes is not a scientist and his ideas have been thoroughly debunked.


I only read his book. I then bought and followed the diet in The New Atkins for a New You: The Ultimate Diet for Shedding Weight and Feeling Great, by Dr. Eric C. WestmanDr. Stephen D. PhinneyDr. Jeff S. Volek

Those authors aren't exactly scientists, either, but better grounded than Taubes.
 
2017-11-10 02:41:55 PM  

Omnidirectional Punching: Stone Meadow: In July 2013 I read Gary Taubes' Why We Get Fat

Well there's your problem right there. Taubes is not a scientist and his ideas have been thoroughly debunked.


What exactly about "glucose raises insulin which lets glucose into your cells while signalling to store fat because this is the moment fruit is plentiful and you'll need those calories when there's nothing to eat for three months" has been debunked?
 
2017-11-10 02:48:24 PM  
bogosperian: Fad dieters have been rehashing the old Atkins diet as 'keto' for a couple of years now.

Keto and Atikins are different.  Atkins is high protein, Keto is lowish protein and high fat.  On Keto I eat about 150g of fat, 65g of protein, and 20g of carbs a day.

Obviously you should avoid sugar at all costs.  But you do need some carbs.  Don't feel bad about the >occasional< shiatty meal.  Reduce your portion sizes.  Do eat more protein and fat than sugar.  If you eat bread, eat real bakery bread instead of squishy white bread.  Ditch the sugary sauces.  Learn to appreciate the taste of sour/spicy/bitter/weird foods instead of sugar.  Even a bit of excess salt is better than sugar.

Cook at home!  Takeout is LOADED with more sugar and fat than you would ever put on your own food.

Regardless, you won't lose significant weight if you don't exercise.

/lost 35 lbs over the last year the right way
//I only drink water...and beer


Ketogenic diets have a base minimum of carbs for what you need, but you train your body to metabolize ketones more preferentially, that's also why low protein.  You still can't overeat too much, but in the last 10 years I've tried several weight loss diets and lifestyles.  With most I could lose up to a pound or two a week, but a bad cheat day or a weekend and I could easily gain the weight back.  My wife did calorie restricted diets and was down to a balanced 1100 calories a day and didn't lose an ounce.  When you are overweight your body shifts and your BMR drops over time, meaning you need waaaay fewer calories.  On Keto in 5 weeks I've lost 12 pounds, she's lost 15, eating enough to be satisfied, getting lots of veggies, having some cheat days and drinks, and enjoying good food like bacon, steak, etc.  On a similar grain and veggie based diet (same approximate input calories) with meat 3 times a week i didn't lose anything.  I've been training for a marathon over my last couple of diets, and this is the only one that has worked efficiently and where I didn't have to be obsessive about maintaining willpower and monitoring my food.

Having said all that, this product sounds like BS.
 
2017-11-10 02:49:38 PM  

Animatronik: Or you just eat less and exercise, without  farking your liver.


/boring I know
//This is the people version of cars that run better on water


Ketosis doesn't fark your liver.  Ketoacidosis farks your liver.
 
2017-11-10 04:50:41 PM  

Christian Bale: bogosperian: Fad dieters have been rehashing the old Atkins diet as 'keto' for a couple of years now.

Obviously you should avoid sugar at all costs. 
Regardless, you won't lose significant weight if you don't exercise.


You talk about fad dieters...then say two ridiculous sentences almost back to back.

Sugar doesn't have to be avoided "at all costs"
Many people have lost enormous amounts of weight with no exercise involved.


Yeah, they're called meth addicts.

Sugar is becoming more and more accepted in the dietary and scientific community as one of the worst things for your body. What I meant was to avoid shiatty processed sugary foods at all costs.  Just don't put it on stuff, and be aware that it's farking EVERYWHERE, even lunch meat is "honey glazed."  Bread does NOT have to have sugar in it!

Unless you're referring to something liposuction or lap bands, I call bullshiat.  You won't keep that weight off permanently unless you get off your ass.  A bare minimum of a mile walk, 20 minutes of your entire day, will make a huge difference versus trying to lose weight without exercise.

/stand by my results
 
2017-11-10 04:55:07 PM  

foxy_canuck: bogosperian: Fad dieters have been rehashing the old Atkins diet as 'keto' for a couple of years now.

Keto and Atikins are different.  Atkins is high protein, Keto is lowish protein and high fat.  On Keto I eat about 150g of fat, 65g of protein, and 20g of carbs a day.

Obviously you should avoid sugar at all costs.  But you do need some carbs.  Don't feel bad about the >occasional< shiatty meal.  Reduce your portion sizes.  Do eat more protein and fat than sugar.  If you eat bread, eat real bakery bread instead of squishy white bread.  Ditch the sugary sauces.  Learn to appreciate the taste of sour/spicy/bitter/weird foods instead of sugar.  Even a bit of excess salt is better than sugar.

Cook at home!  Takeout is LOADED with more sugar and fat than you would ever put on your own food.

Regardless, you won't lose significant weight if you don't exercise.

/lost 35 lbs over the last year the right way
//I only drink water...and beer

Ketogenic diets have a base minimum of carbs for what you need, but you train your body to metabolize ketones more preferentially, that's also why low protein.  You still can't overeat too much, but in the last 10 years I've tried several weight loss diets and lifestyles.  With most I could lose up to a pound or two a week, but a bad cheat day or a weekend and I could easily gain the weight back.  My wife did calorie restricted diets and was down to a balanced 1100 calories a day and didn't lose an ounce.  When you are overweight your body shifts and your BMR drops over time, meaning you need waaaay fewer calories.  On Keto in 5 weeks I've lost 12 pounds, she's lost 15, eating enough to be satisfied, getting lots of veggies, having some cheat days and drinks, and enjoying good food like bacon, steak, etc.  On a similar grain and veggie based diet (same approximate input calories) with meat 3 times a week i didn't lose anything.  I've been training for a marathon over my last couple of diets, and this is the only one that has wor ...


It's honestly pretty close to what I eat now, I just try to avoid such structure and the social aspect of it, or as Michael Pollan calls it, "nutritionism."  I eat mostly eggs, cheese, mushrooms, chicken, quinoa, and vegetables at home, and I still go to Chipotle or have the occasional midnight Wendy's run, but decreasing portion sizes was the biggest help.  That and the quinoa.  The tricolor variety has a LOT of fiber.
 
2017-11-10 07:21:32 PM  

Stone Meadow: I can attest that a ketone-generating diet loses weight and increases energy, libido and mental acuity. In July 2013 I read Gary Taubes' Why We Get Fat, and started on the Atkins II Diet. By Thanksgiving I had dropped from 215 to 170 and felt like I was 40 again (I was 60). For the next two years I felt great; cycled up to 100 miles a week while working very much full time (doubling my company's revenues and hiring more people), enjoyed a renewed sex life, and was full of energy.

But I missed carbs like an addict misses crack, and the cravings just would not go away. At Thanksgiving 2015 I broke down and stuffed myself with carbs over the long weekend. Bottom line? I weighed 214 this morning and generally feel as shiatty as I did in the summer of 2013.

Time to go back on the wagon, I guess, since that's sure to be cheaper than the ketone pills TFA is pushing.


Once you're in Ketosis it's ok to eat carbs periodically in moderation. The trick is timing. You're supposed to burn off whatever sugar or glycogen you have stored before the tank gets full and your body starts storing it as fat.

Look up CKD.   Cyclical Ketosis Diet.   Great for someone who is active. Hits the gym etc.   when "cheat" days are planned and regular.
 
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