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(The Hill)   "Blue Dog" "Democrats" last week: We are eager to work with our Republican Colleagues in pass this tax bill. *Tuesday Happens* "Blue Dogs" today: Stay away from us you unclean lepers and take your filthy tax plan with you   ( thehill.com) divider line
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2017-11-09 10:02:57 AM  
Elections have consequences.
 
2017-11-09 10:05:09 AM  
Good. It's a stupid tax plan.
 
2017-11-09 10:05:16 AM  
If there should by chance be some reaching across the isle just cut their hands off.
 
2017-11-09 10:06:04 AM  
Wow, blue dogs standing up to Republicans.  That's new.

Farking Joe Manchin and Suzanne Collins were on Morning Joe today talking about decreasing partisanship and trying end the extremism on both sides.  Both of them can suck my ass, there is no extremism on the part of Democrats.  All they're doing is saying the nation needs to move to the right as Republicans lurch ever rightward and Democrats find a new "middle" ground to occupy.  All any of these people do is continue America's steady march to the right and towards fascism.
 
2017-11-09 10:07:21 AM  
I actually saw Rachel Maddow interviewing a Democratic congressman after the election and he was definitely up for working together.  Problem is, Democrats aren't allowed in the process at all...
 
2017-11-09 10:08:17 AM  
Regardless of what some democrats said, it's kind of hard to work with people who absolutely refuse to work with you.
 
2017-11-09 10:10:44 AM  
It shows that we've got juice, and if they want to maintain their majority - or at least come close to that in the next cycle - they're going to have to work with Democrats like us," said Rep. Kurt Schrader, an Oregon Blue Dog.

Why would someone who claims to be a Democrat want to do ANYTHING to help the Republicans maintain their majority?
 
2017-11-09 10:18:43 AM  
People only appreciate bipartisanship in theory. Nobody actually likes it in practice.

Particularly since some of the shiattiest pieces of legislation in the past 30 years have been "bipartisan". The Patriot Act was "bipartisan". The 1999 repeal of Glass-Steagall was "bipartisan". And the 1996 Telecommunications Act was "bipartisan".
 
2017-11-09 10:22:17 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Wow, blue dogs standing up to Republicans.  That's new.

Farking Joe Manchin and Suzanne Collins were on Morning Joe today talking about decreasing partisanship and trying end the extremism on both sides.  Both of them can suck my ass, there is no extremism on the part of Democrats.  All they're doing is saying the nation needs to move to the right as Republicans lurch ever rightward and Democrats find a new "middle" ground to occupy.  All any of these people do is continue America's steady march to the right and towards fascism.


The Third Way: We won't kill you, though we don't have to save you.
 
2017-11-09 10:43:51 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Wow, blue dogs standing up to Republicans.  That's new.

Farking Joe Manchin and Suzanne Collins were on Morning Joe today talking about decreasing partisanship and trying end the extremism on both sides.  Both of them can suck my ass, there is no extremism on the part of Democrats.  All they're doing is saying the nation needs to move to the right as Republicans lurch ever rightward and Democrats find a new "middle" ground to occupy.  All any of these people do is continue America's steady march to the right and towards fascism.


Earlier this morning Peggy Noonan was on Morning Joe talking about how Democrats need to remain centrist and not move left.  Piss off Peggy.
 
2017-11-09 10:59:00 AM  
It's almost as if the tax plan proposed was unpalatable to said Democrats.

Working WITH someone means you have to operate in good faith from the get go. Putting out a No Starter from the get go isn't working with folks. And it sort of sours folks on the future of said relationship.
 
2017-11-09 10:59:11 AM  
Good... the farking "blue dogs" should be scared too.

At this point, I want them terrified of losing their cushy gigs.

I almost want every single one of these wealthy motherfarkers scared that a mob is going to drag them from their mansions in the dead of night and string them up from the highest post... almost.
 
2017-11-09 11:00:44 AM  

hubiestubert: It's almost as if the tax plan proposed was unpalatable to said Democrats.

Working WITH someone means you have to operate in good faith from the get go. Putting out a No Starter from the get go isn't working with folks. And it sort of sours folks on the future of said relationship.


Well, the Obama years showed us that to Republicans, "compromise" means doing everything the way we want or nothing gets done...
 
2017-11-09 11:11:19 AM  

keylock71: Good... the farking "blue dogs" should be scared too.

At this point, I want them terrified of losing their cushy gigs.

I almost want every single one of these wealthy motherfarkers scared that a mob is going to drag them from their mansions in the dead of night and string them up from the highest post... almost.


I'll settle for them being primaried. The Blue Dogs have their points of disagreement with the mainstream DFL, but in most cases* it's fairly respectful/thoughtful agree-to-disagre​e type stuff, and most of them aren't out-and-out homophobes or racists.

*Notwithstanding the corporate cocksucking.
 
2017-11-09 11:13:20 AM  
If you don't think that just enough Third Way Democrats will side with the Republicans to cut the tax burden of poor oppressed job creators, then you haven't been paying attention for the past few decades.
 
2017-11-09 11:18:11 AM  
 
2017-11-09 11:20:23 AM  

hubiestubert: It's almost as if the tax plan proposed was unpalatable to said Democrats.

Working WITH someone means you have to operate in good faith from the get go. Putting out a No Starter from the get go isn't working with folks. And it sort of sours folks on the future of said relationship.


It's almost as if the Republicans control both Houses and the Presidency. And yet because they are a bunch of retards, they still need to blame Democrats for why they can't do anything.

I mean yeah, they could compromise with Democrats, but then how would they blame Democrats.
 
2017-11-09 11:21:26 AM  
Grumpy Cat Good
 
2017-11-09 11:23:34 AM  

BullBearMS: hubiestubert: It's almost as if the tax plan proposed was unpalatable to said Democrats.

Permanent tax cuts for the rich disguised as temporary trickle down infrastructure spending was the plan if the Democrats had taken the Senate and White House last year.

New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, likely to be majority leader next year if Democrats take back the Senate, told CNBC Tuesday that one of his top two 2017 priorities would be an enormous corporate tax cut.

Speaking of himself in the third person, Schumer said that "we've got to get things done. ... The two things that come, that pop to mind - because Schumer, Clinton, and Ryan have all said they support these - are immigration and some kind of international tax reform tied to a large infrastructure program."

In an exchange with CNBC's John Harwood, Schumer confirmed that the latter is in fact in the works. When Harwood asked Schumer if "it would be a permanent lower rate, not a holiday rate," Schumer replied, "Yes, you can't do a one-shot deal."


Congratulations on posting an article before the Cheeto-dicked farkhead won the election.
 
2017-11-09 11:23:50 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: AdmirableSnackbar: Wow, blue dogs standing up to Republicans.  That's new.

Farking Joe Manchin and Suzanne Collins were on Morning Joe today talking about decreasing partisanship and trying end the extremism on both sides.  Both of them can suck my ass, there is no extremism on the part of Democrats.  All they're doing is saying the nation needs to move to the right as Republicans lurch ever rightward and Democrats find a new "middle" ground to occupy.  All any of these people do is continue America's steady march to the right and towards fascism.

The Third Way: We won't kill you, though we don't have to save you.


And the Party Before Country portion of the Democratic Party will go along with them while blaming liberals for not supporting those conservative policies with votes.
 
2017-11-09 11:25:12 AM  

MinatoArisato013: BullBearMS: hubiestubert: It's almost as if the tax plan proposed was unpalatable to said Democrats.

Permanent tax cuts for the rich disguised as temporary trickle down infrastructure spending was the plan if the Democrats had taken the Senate and White House last year.

New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, likely to be majority leader next year if Democrats take back the Senate, told CNBC Tuesday that one of his top two 2017 priorities would be an enormous corporate tax cut.

Speaking of himself in the third person, Schumer said that "we've got to get things done. ... The two things that come, that pop to mind - because Schumer, Clinton, and Ryan have all said they support these - are immigration and some kind of international tax reform tied to a large infrastructure program."

In an exchange with CNBC's John Harwood, Schumer confirmed that the latter is in fact in the works. When Harwood asked Schumer if "it would be a permanent lower rate, not a holiday rate," Schumer replied, "Yes, you can't do a one-shot deal."

Congratulations on posting an article before the Cheeto-dicked farkhead won the election.


Congratulations on missing his point.
 
2017-11-09 11:25:30 AM  

MinatoArisato013: BullBearMS: hubiestubert: It's almost as if the tax plan proposed was unpalatable to said Democrats.

Permanent tax cuts for the rich disguised as temporary trickle down infrastructure spending was the plan if the Democrats had taken the Senate and White House last year.

New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, likely to be majority leader next year if Democrats take back the Senate, told CNBC Tuesday that one of his top two 2017 priorities would be an enormous corporate tax cut.

Speaking of himself in the third person, Schumer said that "we've got to get things done. ... The two things that come, that pop to mind - because Schumer, Clinton, and Ryan have all said they support these - are immigration and some kind of international tax reform tied to a large infrastructure program."

In an exchange with CNBC's John Harwood, Schumer confirmed that the latter is in fact in the works. When Harwood asked Schumer if "it would be a permanent lower rate, not a holiday rate," Schumer replied, "Yes, you can't do a one-shot deal."

Congratulations on posting an article before the Cheeto-dicked farkhead won the election.


That was his point.
 
2017-11-09 11:25:40 AM  

enry: AdmirableSnackbar: Wow, blue dogs standing up to Republicans.  That's new.

Farking Joe Manchin and Suzanne Collins were on Morning Joe today talking about decreasing partisanship and trying end the extremism on both sides.  Both of them can suck my ass, there is no extremism on the part of Democrats.  All they're doing is saying the nation needs to move to the right as Republicans lurch ever rightward and Democrats find a new "middle" ground to occupy.  All any of these people do is continue America's steady march to the right and towards fascism.

Earlier this morning Peggy Noonan was on Morning Joe talking about how Democrats need to remain centrist and not move left.  Piss off Peggy.


A Conservative telling a largely liberal party to keep being centrist.  I second your sentiment: Piss off Peggy.
 
2017-11-09 11:26:04 AM  
It's like somebody told the Washington Generals they're playing in an actual game tonight.
 
2017-11-09 11:29:34 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: I actually saw Rachel Maddow interviewing a Democratic congressman after the election and he was definitely up for working together.  Problem is, Democrats aren't allowed in the process at all...


Exactly.  There are areas where the tax code really does need to be reformed.  It's overly complicated and simplifying it is actually a good goal.  The problem is, to the Republicans, "tax reform" means "tax cuts for the rich so steep that you'll have to cut meaningful governmental programs".
 
2017-11-09 11:31:10 AM  

BullBearMS: hubiestubert: It's almost as if the tax plan proposed was unpalatable to said Democrats.

Permanent tax cuts for the rich disguised as temporary trickle down infrastructure spending was the plan if the Democrats had taken the Senate and White House last year.

New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, likely to be majority leader next year if Democrats take back the Senate, told CNBC Tuesday that one of his top two 2017 priorities would be an enormous corporate tax cut.

Speaking of himself in the third person, Schumer said that "we've got to get things done. ... The two things that come, that pop to mind - because Schumer, Clinton, and Ryan have all said they support these - are immigration and some kind of international tax reform tied to a large infrastructure program."

In an exchange with CNBC's John Harwood, Schumer confirmed that the latter is in fact in the works. When Harwood asked Schumer if "it would be a permanent lower rate, not a holiday rate," Schumer replied, "Yes, you can't do a one-shot deal."


Also I wouldn't trust Schumer to get dick done even if they had their small majority because we've already seen what the party of no is all about for 5 years.
 
2017-11-09 11:31:49 AM  

Magorn: It shows that we've got juice, and if they want to maintain their majority - or at least come close to that in the next cycle - they're going to have to work with Democrats like us," said Rep. Kurt Schrader, an Oregon Blue Dog.

Why would someone who claims to be a Democrat want to do ANYTHING to help the Republicans maintain their majority?


The term "Blue Dog" used to describe someone who was still bitter about Reconstruction and would rather vote for a dog than a Republican. Now the term describes someone who is proud of the fact that they will consistently defy party leadership and side with Republicans.
 
2017-11-09 11:32:03 AM  
Haven't the blue dogs/moderate Republicans mostly been eradicated?
 
2017-11-09 11:32:44 AM  
Well, at least it's a principled stance.
 
2017-11-09 11:35:05 AM  

BullBearMS: hubiestubert: It's almost as if the tax plan proposed was unpalatable to said Democrats.

Permanent tax cuts for the rich disguised as temporary trickle down infrastructure spending was the plan if the Democrats had taken the Senate and White House last year.

New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, likely to be majority leader next year if Democrats take back the Senate, told CNBC Tuesday that one of his top two 2017 priorities would be an enormous corporate tax cut.

Speaking of himself in the third person, Schumer said that "we've got to get things done. ... The two things that come, that pop to mind - because Schumer, Clinton, and Ryan have all said they support these - are immigration and some kind of international tax reform tied to a large infrastructure program."

In an exchange with CNBC's John Harwood, Schumer confirmed that the latter is in fact in the works. When Harwood asked Schumer if "it would be a permanent lower rate, not a holiday rate," Schumer replied, "Yes, you can't do a one-shot deal."


There is a lot of logic in lowering the nominal corporate tax rate while at the same time closing lots of corpoate tax loopholes.  If done correctly, this sort of "tax reform" could be done without reducing overall tax revenues.
 
2017-11-09 11:35:15 AM  

EyeballKid: It's like somebody told the Washington Generals they're playing in an actual game tonight.


I thought they were DUE!
 
2017-11-09 11:35:21 AM  
The GOP tax reform ends the deductions for teachers buying supplies for their children.
 
2017-11-09 11:35:39 AM  
Man, Fark's concerned "Democrats" sure are making their presence felt today.

I wonder what happened this week to make them feel so threatened?
 
2017-11-09 11:35:55 AM  
Democrats lie about their intentions till they've secured victory.

Hardly news.
 
2017-11-09 11:36:01 AM  

raius: Haven't the blue dogs/moderate Republicans mostly been eradicated?


Spayed and neutered.  There are 18 Blue Dogs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of​_​members_of_the_Blue_Dog_Coalition
 
2017-11-09 11:36:13 AM  

Geotpf: BullBearMS: hubiestubert: It's almost as if the tax plan proposed was unpalatable to said Democrats.

Permanent tax cuts for the rich disguised as temporary trickle down infrastructure spending was the plan if the Democrats had taken the Senate and White House last year.

New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, likely to be majority leader next year if Democrats take back the Senate, told CNBC Tuesday that one of his top two 2017 priorities would be an enormous corporate tax cut.

Speaking of himself in the third person, Schumer said that "we've got to get things done. ... The two things that come, that pop to mind - because Schumer, Clinton, and Ryan have all said they support these - are immigration and some kind of international tax reform tied to a large infrastructure program."

In an exchange with CNBC's John Harwood, Schumer confirmed that the latter is in fact in the works. When Harwood asked Schumer if "it would be a permanent lower rate, not a holiday rate," Schumer replied, "Yes, you can't do a one-shot deal."

There is a lot of logic in lowering the nominal corporate tax rate while at the same time closing lots of corpoate tax loopholes.  If done correctly, this sort of "tax reform" could be done without reducing overall tax revenues.


And you trust Republicans and conservative Democrats to do this correctly?
 
2017-11-09 11:36:52 AM  

vygramul: The GOP tax reform ends the deductions for teachers buying supplies for their children.


This will teach those poor students to stop being poor.  Their tax plan would make Captain Planet villains blush.
 
2017-11-09 11:36:59 AM  

Nadie_AZ: MinatoArisato013: BullBearMS: hubiestubert: It's almost as if the tax plan proposed was unpalatable to said Democrats.

Permanent tax cuts for the rich disguised as temporary trickle down infrastructure spending was the plan if the Democrats had taken the Senate and White House last year.

New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, likely to be majority leader next year if Democrats take back the Senate, told CNBC Tuesday that one of his top two 2017 priorities would be an enormous corporate tax cut.

Speaking of himself in the third person, Schumer said that "we've got to get things done. ... The two things that come, that pop to mind - because Schumer, Clinton, and Ryan have all said they support these - are immigration and some kind of international tax reform tied to a large infrastructure program."

In an exchange with CNBC's John Harwood, Schumer confirmed that the latter is in fact in the works. When Harwood asked Schumer if "it would be a permanent lower rate, not a holiday rate," Schumer replied, "Yes, you can't do a one-shot deal."

Congratulations on posting an article before the Cheeto-dicked farkhead won the election.

That was his point.


His point looks more like a drive of the sentiment that both sides are just as bad and we should totally elect Jill Stein next time.  Totally will work totes.
 
2017-11-09 11:37:08 AM  

Magorn: It shows that we've got juice, and if they want to maintain their majority - or at least come close to that in the next cycle - they're going to have to work with Democrats like us," said Rep. Kurt Schrader, an Oregon Blue Dog.

Why would someone who claims to be a Democrat want to do ANYTHING to help the Republicans maintain their majority?


The obvious answer is that they're only Democrats for political convenience, same as that governor that announced he was going R after winning with a D by his name.
 
2017-11-09 11:38:29 AM  

MinatoArisato013: His point looks more like a drive of the sentiment that both sides are just as bad and we should totally elect Jill Stein next time.  Totally will work totes.


His point was more that it's OK to vote Democrat because they're not nearly as bad as Republicans but don't delude yourself about what you're actually voting for policy-wise.
 
2017-11-09 11:39:24 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: MinatoArisato013: His point looks more like a drive of the sentiment that both sides are just as bad and we should totally elect Jill Stein next time.  Totally will work totes.

His point was more that it's OK to vote Democrat because they're not nearly as bad as Republicans but don't delude yourself about what you're actually voting for policy-wise.


You sure it's not about muddying the waters?  Cause that's what it looks like to me.
 
2017-11-09 11:39:56 AM  

HighOnCraic: The term "Blue Dog" used to describe someone who was still bitter about Reconstruction and would rather vote for a dog than a Republican.


That's a "Yellow Dog", not a "Blue Dog", although the terms are related.
 
2017-11-09 11:41:03 AM  
Chris Murphy offered to show up, if only the GOP would tell him where the meetings are being held.

Tax reform is a great idea, but what has been forth is garbage for the Country.
 
2017-11-09 11:41:59 AM  

MinatoArisato013: AdmirableSnackbar: MinatoArisato013: His point looks more like a drive of the sentiment that both sides are just as bad and we should totally elect Jill Stein next time.  Totally will work totes.

His point was more that it's OK to vote Democrat because they're not nearly as bad as Republicans but don't delude yourself about what you're actually voting for policy-wise.

You sure it's not about muddying the waters?  Cause that's what it looks like to me.


I certainly hope you're not suggesting that this full-court negative press from the usual suspects after the Dems best week in a year is anything other than on the level.
 
2017-11-09 11:42:22 AM  

Murkanen: Magorn: It shows that we've got juice, and if they want to maintain their majority - or at least come close to that in the next cycle - they're going to have to work with Democrats like us," said Rep. Kurt Schrader, an Oregon Blue Dog.

Why would someone who claims to be a Democrat want to do ANYTHING to help the Republicans maintain their majority?

The obvious answer is that they're only Democrats for political convenience, same as that governor that announced he was going R after winning with a D by his name.


Or they are left of a typical Republican but right of a typical Democrat.
 
2017-11-09 11:43:23 AM  

MinatoArisato013: AdmirableSnackbar: MinatoArisato013: His point looks more like a drive of the sentiment that both sides are just as bad and we should totally elect Jill Stein next time.  Totally will work totes.

His point was more that it's OK to vote Democrat because they're not nearly as bad as Republicans but don't delude yourself about what you're actually voting for policy-wise.

You sure it's not about muddying the waters?  Cause that's what it looks like to me.


Yes.  It seems to me that you're angrier that people noticed the Democrats are complicit in exacerbating our wealth and income inequality than you are that the Democrats are complicit in exacerbating our wealth and income inequality problems.

The waters are muddy as fark.  It's not his - or anyone's - fault for noticing.  We need better from the Democrats.
 
2017-11-09 11:43:48 AM  

hubiestubert: It's almost as if the tax plan proposed was unpalatable to said Democrats.

Working WITH someone means you have to operate in good faith from the get go. Putting out a No Starter from the get go isn't working with folks. And it sort of sours folks on the future of said relationship.


Oh good, you're still here. I didn't see you in the restaurant thread yesterday and got worried.
 
2017-11-09 11:44:17 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Geotpf: BullBearMS: hubiestubert: It's almost as if the tax plan proposed was unpalatable to said Democrats.

Permanent tax cuts for the rich disguised as temporary trickle down infrastructure spending was the plan if the Democrats had taken the Senate and White House last year.

New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, likely to be majority leader next year if Democrats take back the Senate, told CNBC Tuesday that one of his top two 2017 priorities would be an enormous corporate tax cut.

Speaking of himself in the third person, Schumer said that "we've got to get things done. ... The two things that come, that pop to mind - because Schumer, Clinton, and Ryan have all said they support these - are immigration and some kind of international tax reform tied to a large infrastructure program."

In an exchange with CNBC's John Harwood, Schumer confirmed that the latter is in fact in the works. When Harwood asked Schumer if "it would be a permanent lower rate, not a holiday rate," Schumer replied, "Yes, you can't do a one-shot deal."

There is a lot of logic in lowering the nominal corporate tax rate while at the same time closing lots of corpoate tax loopholes.  If done correctly, this sort of "tax reform" could be done without reducing overall tax revenues.

And you trust Republicans and conservative Democrats to do this correctly?


Republicans, no. "Conservative Democrats", no.  Democratic Congressmen in general, yes.
 
2017-11-09 11:45:14 AM  
Are these Democrats or "Democrats"?
 
2017-11-09 11:46:04 AM  

Geotpf: AdmirableSnackbar: Geotpf: BullBearMS: hubiestubert: It's almost as if the tax plan proposed was unpalatable to said Democrats.

Permanent tax cuts for the rich disguised as temporary trickle down infrastructure spending was the plan if the Democrats had taken the Senate and White House last year.

New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, likely to be majority leader next year if Democrats take back the Senate, told CNBC Tuesday that one of his top two 2017 priorities would be an enormous corporate tax cut.

Speaking of himself in the third person, Schumer said that "we've got to get things done. ... The two things that come, that pop to mind - because Schumer, Clinton, and Ryan have all said they support these - are immigration and some kind of international tax reform tied to a large infrastructure program."

In an exchange with CNBC's John Harwood, Schumer confirmed that the latter is in fact in the works. When Harwood asked Schumer if "it would be a permanent lower rate, not a holiday rate," Schumer replied, "Yes, you can't do a one-shot deal."

There is a lot of logic in lowering the nominal corporate tax rate while at the same time closing lots of corpoate tax loopholes.  If done correctly, this sort of "tax reform" could be done without reducing overall tax revenues.

And you trust Republicans and conservative Democrats to do this correctly?

Republicans, no. "Conservative Democrats", no.  Democratic Congressmen in general, yes.


Unfortunately there aren't enough "Democratic Congressmen in general" to override Republicans and conservative Democrats who care more about donors than constituents.
 
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