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(Talking Points Memo)   GOP faces choice to either 1) pass tax bill as is & anger their base by screwing them 2) not pass tax bill & anger their donors or 3) rewrite tax bill so it actually helps people. Except that last one not really on the table   ( talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line
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2017-11-09 09:20:52 AM  
There is no choice. These corporate whores will do their master's bidding.

The farking rubes who vote for the GOP will just beg to be farked harder as long as you wave American flags and guns around while doing it.
 
2017-11-09 09:21:32 AM  
Their job isn't to help people.  Their job is to get re-elected.
 
2017-11-09 09:26:10 AM  
The key to any complicated choice like this is to try to arrive at a decision that incorporates key elements of each option. That way, nobody is entirely happy, but nobody is entirely upset, either. This, in fact, is the essence of true compromise -- everybody feels as if they've had to sacrifice something they cared about, but also feels like they walked away with something as well. It's basically a carefully managed Sophie's choice. What Republicans should consider as their solution, I would suggest, is that they pass the tax bill essentially as it is (which addresses option 1 because it's no longer being passed "as-is"), while re-writing it so that it adds a few more perks to their donors (which gives them a version of option 3, since donors are people, and addresses the potential donor anger that makes option 2 so tricky). This then negates the "not pass tax bill" part of option 2 that is also such a troublesome negative, creating a true win-win-win scenario.
 
2017-11-09 09:29:31 AM  
Correct answer is "screw 'em."   The GOP knows their base will come back to them, like a good battered wife.
 
2017-11-09 09:31:43 AM  
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2017-11-09 09:33:59 AM  
Ha! That's a funny headline because their base loves to get screwed by them. Raise their taxes and take away their benefits and they'll buy stupid hats all day long.
 
2017-11-09 09:38:29 AM  
My Trumper neighbor posted a 'thank you for TrumpCare' to Trump when her health insurance bill went down earlier this year (it didn't really).  The plan provided by her state employer.

It isn't really possible for his base to be upset because he farks them over.

They are not in this for anything but stigginit.
 
2017-11-09 09:54:28 AM  

wejash: My Trumper neighbor posted a 'thank you for TrumpCare' to Trump when her health insurance bill went down earlier this year (it didn't really). The plan provided by her state employer.


Your neighbor be dumb.
 
2017-11-09 10:10:21 AM  
So option #1 it is, then.

fark this Administration, hard.
 
2017-11-09 10:55:00 AM  
Just keep on farking them. They bend over and shout "THANK YOU SIR, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER?"
 
2017-11-09 10:57:09 AM  
They're working House members hard. The biggest sticking point is the elimination of SALT deductions.  NY and NJ GOP members have been against it and California members should be but seem to be asleep except for Issa.

The Senate seems to be, again, where this will fail or pass.   Corker is against it because it adds to the debt.  Collins had an objection, too, but don't remember what it was.   McCain was still yelling a clouds about regular order last I looked and Rand Paul is always a wildcard.   Flake I haven't heard any objections from but he isn't running for re-election so he could sink it out of spite of Trump if he wanted to.
 
2017-11-09 11:00:53 AM  
I could see NY state offsetting any federal tax relief. Government is just like the mob or is the mob.
 
2017-11-09 11:02:22 AM  
They could try option 3, not try and race for a Thanksgiving deadline, and score a big win CLOSER to the 2018 election.  People aren't gonna remember jack-all that Congress does in a year's time.  And they can still throw a few items in there for their donors, like a lower corporate tax rate.  I don't know about 20%, but 25% is more reasonable.  And f*ck their base, they'll still vote (R) come November regardless.
 
2017-11-09 11:21:56 AM  
How about this? You do not cut any f*cking taxes before you figure out how to cut spending?

Yeah? Ya think? How bout that? Catch me outside.

What the f*ck, guys? This is not some reality show, it's a multi-trillion dollar budget that impacts 300,000,000 people. Can we all stop sniffing glue, actually talk about realistic things like increasing the retirement age by a few years, increasing the tax threshold on SS, maybe cutting Defense a few dollars? If you do that, you can do your stupid corporate tax cut thingy and when it doesn't lead to any new jobs created, you will not have totally blown a hole in the f*cking budget.

Can we try that? Maybe? And leave the goddamn deductions alone until you have a better plan. Holy crap you are going to f*ck this up so badly I can't even bear to watch... and this is coming from a guy who wants you to fail only so that maybe, just maybe this time people will learn their lesson. No, no they wont.

You HAVE to work with Democrats so you can blame them when some of it does not work and it gives you an excuse not to go full Tea Party which you know will fail.

So, have another drink and set this baby to Plaid because they are going to pass the sh*t out of this abortion.
 
2017-11-09 11:28:35 AM  

xanadian: They could try option 3, not try and race for a Thanksgiving deadline, and score a big win CLOSER to the 2018 election.  People aren't gonna remember jack-all that Congress does in a year's time.  And they can still throw a few items in there for their donors, like a lower corporate tax rate.  I don't know about 20%, but 25% is more reasonable.  And f*ck their base, they'll still vote (R) come November regardless.


The problem is that it's nearly impossible to do anything closer to the 2018 election. Next year is going to be a frenzied orgy of campaigning, soliciting, and fundraising. Congress is going to have little time to do anything.

It's not really unique to 2018, mind you; generally there's only a 6 month opportunity for anything of substance to get done in Congress.
 
2017-11-09 11:29:38 AM  

NewportBarGuy: You do not cut any f*cking taxes before you figure out how to cut spending?


The number of Republicans in Washington who are actually interested in cutting spending can be counted on one hand.
 
2017-11-09 11:38:15 AM  
Hey, other rich dudes. Stand up and act like patriots and tell the GOP to screw pandering to the super wealthy. Yup, Gates and Buffet have done it. Time for more to stand up and speak. Face it, most of you want to get rid of Trump and his insane policies too. Stand up and be counted.
 
2017-11-09 11:42:18 AM  
I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest it won't pass.   There are too many areas where Blue States get screwed.  I can't see the Senate risking their necks, especially those in Blue States.
And I'm still steaming over the Student Loan and Graduate income cuts.
 
2017-11-09 12:06:24 PM  

NewportBarGuy: [img.fark.net image 425x276]


Is it bad that the "9-9-9" now sounds like a sane proposal compared to the shiat in the current bill?
 
2017-11-09 12:11:39 PM  
The Senate seems amenable to saving the medical expense deduction.

Unfortunately the Senate also wants to kill the ACA mandate.

Argh.
 
2017-11-09 12:12:49 PM  
Pass the bill.  Blame the brown people and liberal, coastal elites.  Problem solved.
 
2017-11-09 12:13:11 PM  

PreMortem: Ha! That's a funny headline because their base loves to get screwed by them. Raise their taxes and take away their benefits and they'll buy stupid hats all day long.


This you are talking about a base in the name of stingnitwas  liking to vote for a guy. Who wanted to take healthcare away and balloon the debt and deficit. Which the last one I thought was blasphemy but it turns out they still have now core principles.
 
2017-11-09 12:13:23 PM  

sigdiamond2000: NewportBarGuy: You do not cut any f*cking taxes before you figure out how to cut spending?

The number of Republicans in Washington who are actually interested in cutting spending can be counted on one hand.


I'd be 100% fine with cutting spending as long as it was cut across the board.  But increasing military budget by $700b while cutting everything else is moronic.

/And I'm a McCain guy.  But disagree with him on this, bigly.
 
2017-11-09 12:15:10 PM  

raerae1980: I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest it won't pass.


You don't need to go out on a limb. There is zero chance it's going to pass.
 
2017-11-09 12:16:15 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Can we all stop sniffing glue, actually talk about realistic things like increasing the retirement age by a few years, increasing the tax threshold on SS, maybe cutting Defense a few dollars?


No, older people vote with more consistency. Raise the retirement age and you get angry 50-something backlash.

No, rich people already don't need Social Security, so why should they pay it?

No, if you cut defense, you're an unpatriotic monster who hates our troops and wants the terrorists to win.
 
2017-11-09 12:16:31 PM  
What are the donors going to do, give their money to Democrats instead? Primary the incumbents with people whose platform will be "I'm going to raise your taxes"?
 
2017-11-09 12:16:45 PM  
I'm glad to see screw the base was covered.  What are they going to do?  Vote for mandatory sharia gay abortions?
 
2017-11-09 12:18:16 PM  
Given that the GOP is the party of hate and greed, I only see one of those options that fits with their motto.
 
2017-11-09 12:18:30 PM  

NewportBarGuy: [img.fark.net image 425x276]


Remember when that guy was the nuttiest fruitcake in the GOP stable?  Good times...
 
2017-11-09 12:19:33 PM  
The base will never admit that they've been screwed, not even to themselves.
 
2017-11-09 12:20:06 PM  
submitter, The Republicans in Congress have a fourth plan, which is the most likely plan: pass the tax bill as it is, and then blame the Democrats for any negative consequences that result from it.
 
2017-11-09 12:20:18 PM  
 
2017-11-09 12:20:47 PM  
Option 1A. Pass bill as is and blame previous administration
 
2017-11-09 12:21:16 PM  

They're trying to sell us the world's most expensive postcard.  Piss up a rope.


img.fark.net

 
2017-11-09 12:21:35 PM  
People are avoiding the real problem the GOP has, which is, how are they going to pay for good food in 2018? These lobbyist lunches don't just pay for themselves. Not everyone has a lobbyist. I mean sure, almost everyone has a rich person or two who wants tax cuts, but that poor guy in Wyoming? He's not getting any of that sweet pharma lunch money. He's gotta get his aides to come up with some stupid cattle law that'll never pass. How is he going to put food on the table next year when tax reform is all solved?

I mean let's face it, how can they squeeze this tax issue out into 2018, pay for some nice dinners with the mistress up until campaign season starts, and still avoid Donald Trump invading North Korea and starting World War 3? That's the tough question.

Because if they can do that, I mean we're not talking some cheap sh*t at Sizzler. We're talking like high end places, places that not only burn your steak to a really nice well-done but also have fine European catsup. Some of them might even have Worstercehestershire sauce or whatever the fark it's called. That stuff is some fancy ass crap. Plus you think the local Golden Corral just has asparagus lying around? You think that stuff grows on trees? It's OK I looked it up for you, it's doesn't. And God knows the goddamn local BBQ joint doesn't serve organic grass fed pulled pork, and that sh*t is smothered in vinegar, and who likes vinegar anyway?

I'm sorry I'm getting carried away. I'm just saying that tomato-based bbq is so much better than vinegar, it's not even a question. Like don't put that vinegary sh*t in front of me, just walk away.
 
2017-11-09 12:22:07 PM  

NewportBarGuy: [img.fark.net image 425x276]


That's 666 upside down.
 
2017-11-09 12:22:26 PM  

sigdiamond2000: raerae1980: I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest it won't pass.

You don't need to go out on a limb. There is zero chance it's going to pass.


I hope we're right :-D
 
2017-11-09 12:23:25 PM  

sigdiamond2000: raerae1980: I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest it won't pass.

You don't need to go out on a limb. There is zero chance it's going to pass.


Could you elaborate on this? I suspect you're right, but I want to hear your reasoning.
 
2017-11-09 12:23:28 PM  
Their base doesn't care so long as those "other people" are getting hit worse than they are.
 
2017-11-09 12:25:30 PM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Just keep on farking them. They bend over and shout "THANK YOU SIR, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER?"


Goddamn Demoncrats keep screwing me! Ahhhhh!  I'm going to vote full Republican so it stops!

FTFY
 
2017-11-09 12:25:47 PM  

raerae1980: sigdiamond2000: raerae1980: I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest it won't pass.

You don't need to go out on a limb. There is zero chance it's going to pass.

I hope we're right :-D


I think you are wrong. They will absolutely pass some version of a tax cut. They have too much self interest not to.

They could wiff on either the ACA repeal, or tax cuts, but not both.
 
2017-11-09 12:26:40 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: NewportBarGuy: [img.fark.net image 425x276]

That's 666 upside down.


it's 1.5x 666.  Inflation, you know.

/Damn Demoncrats have screwed up the dollar!
 
2017-11-09 12:26:42 PM  

PreMortem: Ha! That's a funny headline because their base loves to get screwed by them. Raise their taxes and take away their benefits and they'll buy stupid hats all day long.


This may be why these idiots think women want to be raped.
 
2017-11-09 12:30:29 PM  

raerae1980: I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest it won't pass.   There are too many areas where Blue States get screwed.  I can't see the Senate risking their necks, especially those in Blue States.


Sorry, that's part of the whole point.  Blue states only comprise 7% of the Republican's senate delegation. It was written to stigginit to blue states on purpose.
 
2017-11-09 12:30:45 PM  
Fox News will tell the base the tax plan is good for them. They will believe Fox News and the Republicans. They will lose in real life. Fox News will tell them it is the Democrat's fault. They will believe Fox News.
 
2017-11-09 12:31:07 PM  

BMulligan: sigdiamond2000: raerae1980: I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest it won't pass.

You don't need to go out on a limb. There is zero chance it's going to pass.

Could you elaborate on this? I suspect you're right, but I want to hear your reasoning.


It's lost enough support among both the wine-sipping elitist establishment Republicans and the crazed, fever-swamp AM radio dirtbags to make it untenable.
 
2017-11-09 12:32:24 PM  

Archidude: I think you are wrong. They will absolutely pass some version of a tax cut.


Oh, they will. It's just not going to be this one.
 
2017-11-09 12:32:30 PM  

Archidude: raerae1980: sigdiamond2000: raerae1980: I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest it won't pass.

You don't need to go out on a limb. There is zero chance it's going to pass.

I hope we're right :-D

I think you are wrong. They will absolutely pass some version of a tax cut. They have too much self interest not to.

They could wiff on either the ACA repeal, or tax cuts, but not both.


All the talk leading up to the ACA vote was they absolutely, positively could NOT whiff on it.  And then they did.

if it dies, the deductions are going to be why it does.  SALT, mortgage interest rate, education, etc.  These are all important to state delegations, powerful lobbies, or constituents.

If they hadn't whiffed on their ENTIRE legislative and/or if Trump had any significant political capital left at all I would be frightened of this passing.  With the bomb shell revelations that have come out about the investigation the last two weeks coupled with the sea-change local elections two days ago I think it languishes.  I think its going to be held in suspense for a good long well, (well passed the deadline they set for themselves) and be a constant recurring zombie thing just like healthcare was.  But its going to wither and die.  I think.  I hope.
 
2017-11-09 12:33:21 PM  

hammettman: raerae1980: I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest it won't pass.   There are too many areas where Blue States get screwed.  I can't see the Senate risking their necks, especially those in Blue States.

Sorry, that's part of the whole point.  Blue states only comprise 7% of the Republican's senate delegation. It was written to stigginit to blue states on purpose.


Yup, it might as well be "Cities, you're farked. Vote Dem and your taxes go up. Screw you, subsidize the Red States."
 
2017-11-09 12:33:36 PM  

Epic Fap Session: Seems relevant.

Reagan's boldest move as president was his 1981 tax cut, a sweeping measure that slashed the marginal rate on the wealthiest Americans from 70 percent to 50 percent. The legislation also included smaller cuts in lower tax brackets, as well as big breaks for corporations and the oil industry. But the following year, as the economy was mired in recession and the federal deficit was spiraling out of control, even groups such as the Business Roundtable lobbied Reagan to raise taxes. And he did: The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 was, at the time, the largest peacetime tax increase in U.S. history.

Ultimately, Reagan signed measures that increased federal taxes every year of his two-term presidency except the first and the last. These included a higher gasoline levy, a 1986 tax reform deal that included the largest corporate tax increase in American history, and a substantial raise in payroll taxes in 1983 as part of a deal to keep Social Security solvent. While wealthy Americans benefitted from Reagan's tax policies, blue-collar Americans paid a higher percentage of their income in taxes when Reagan left office than when he came in.


Raising the Social Security tax allowed Reagan to spend spend all that extra money in the 1980's. Now 30 years later, it's time for Republicans to pay back that money and they are crying like little babies. 👶
 
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