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(NPR)   One year later, both political parties are reeling from the shiatshow quagmire we're stuck in   ( npr.org) divider line
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2017-11-09 09:43:30 AM  
Good.

The GOP didn't get over Obama for 8.
 
2017-11-09 10:58:39 AM  
Both parties need to be shaken up.

The GOP's shakeup is not looking very good for that party though, they really are going to die out demographically. You have roughly three generations of GOP voters:

Youth/Millenials -  basically a white supremacist/MRA movement
Gen X - killing themselves off with opioids, but will still remain a voting bloc for some time
Boomers - reaching end of life

The Democratic shakeup will be very good for that party going forward, and I honestly think they are handling it somewhat fairly. The more progressive youth cohort is fighting the left of center establishment Democrats over policies and ideas and that's a healthy debate. There will continue to be some churn for the next decade as the progressives control more and more of the party.
 
2017-11-09 12:33:11 PM  
Incredible lack of racism discussed in that article, especially considering the focus on rural and suburban Pennsylvania.

Johnstown on full display

"Shame on them," Del Signore said over his alfredo. "These clowns are out there, making millions of dollars a year, and they're using some stupid excuse that they want equality-so I'll kneel against the flag and the national anthem?"
"You're not a fan of equality?" I asked.
"For people who deserve it and earn it," he said. "All my ancestors, Italian, 100 percent Italian, the Irish, Germans, Polish, whatever-they all came over here, settled in places like this, they worked hard and they earned the respect. They earned the success that they got. Some people don't want to do that. They just want it handed to them."
"Like NFL players?" I said.
"Well," Del Signore responded, "I hate to say what the majority of them are ..." He stopped himself short of what I thought he was about to say.

Schilling and her husband, however, did not restrain themselves.
"The thing that irritates me to no end is this NFL shiat," Schilling told me in her living room. "I'm about ready to go over the top with this shiat. We do not watch no NFL now." They're Dallas Cowboys fans. "We banned 'em. We don't watch it."
Schilling looked at her husband, Dave McCabe, who's 67 and a retired high school basketball coach. She nodded at me. "Tell him," she said to McCabe, "what you said the NFL is ..."
McCabe looked momentarily wary. He laughed a little. "I don't remember saying that," he said unconvincingly.
Schilling was having none of it. "You're the one that told me, liar," she said.
She looked at me.
The NFL?

...
 
2017-11-09 01:04:43 PM  
The GOP is a mess.
The Dems are such a mess that can't take advantage of that mess.
Third parties should be doing well considering this...and yet they are the least visible they've been in decades.

Our system is a huge mess.
 
2017-11-09 03:20:32 PM  
Giggity
 
2017-11-09 03:35:41 PM  

Chris Ween: The Dems are such a mess that can't take advantage of that mess.


Not sure they can but I do agree that they aren't.
 
2017-11-09 03:59:33 PM  

bdub77: Both parties need to be shaken up.

The GOP's shakeup is not looking very good for that party though, they really are going to die out demographically. You have roughly three generations of GOP voters:

Youth/Millenials -  basically a white supremacist/MRA movement
Gen X - killing themselves off with opioids, but will still remain a voting bloc for some time
Boomers - reaching end of life

The Democratic shakeup will be very good for that party going forward, and I honestly think they are handling it somewhat fairly. The more progressive youth cohort is fighting the left of center establishment Democrats over policies and ideas and that's a healthy debate. There will continue to be some churn for the next decade as the progressives control more and more of the party.


And us Gen-Xers are too small in numbers to matter when we reach the "Keep your government hands off my Medi-care" age so really once the Boomers die off enough to not matter politically the GOP is going to be farked big time. The GOP will become the party of neckbeards. They'll run on the platform of a free vape with every purchase of a trilby and open carry of katanas.
 
2017-11-09 04:15:52 PM  
bdub77:

Youth/Millenials -  basically a white supremacist/MRA movement
Gen X - killing themselves off with opioids, but will still remain a voting bloc for some time
Boomers - reaching end of life

Wow,  those are some SWEEPING generalizations.
 
2017-11-09 04:17:51 PM  
 
2017-11-09 04:18:21 PM  

Barry McCockner: Giggity


I see what you did there...

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2017-11-09 04:19:40 PM  

TheDarkSaintOfGin: bdub77:

Youth/Millenials -  basically a white supremacist/MRA movement
Gen X - killing themselves off with opioids, but will still remain a voting bloc for some time
Boomers - reaching end of life

Wow,  those are some SWEEPING generalizations.


I don't see any Otto Von Bismarks in the GOP.
 
2017-11-09 04:20:36 PM  

CygnusDarius: TheDarkSaintOfGin: bdub77:

Youth/Millenials -  basically a white supremacist/MRA movement
Gen X - killing themselves off with opioids, but will still remain a voting bloc for some time
Boomers - reaching end of life

Wow,  those are some SWEEPING generalizations.

I don't see any Otto Von Bismarks in the GOP.


But the millennial GOP types love their heroin as well!
 
2017-11-09 04:21:45 PM  
Rep. Chris Collins sounds like a pathetic toady.  I am unsure who to compare him to in political history.  Who is a famous lapdog to a moronic super villain?

"Here on Capitol Hill, people respect him immensely," Collins said, "and he is setting the tone. Some politicians think of themselves as setting the tone, but they're not setting the tone anymore, so [Trump] has got them on the edge of their chair. But they all want to go on Air Force One. They all want to go to the Oval Office ... Who's in charge? There's no if, ands or buts about who's in charge - it's Donald J. Trump."
 
2017-11-09 04:22:03 PM  

HedlessChickn: Good.

The GOP didn't get over Obama for 8.


They still haven't.  Hell, they're still biatching about Jimmy Carter.
 
2017-11-09 04:23:05 PM  

Ghastly: bdub77: Both parties need to be shaken up.

The GOP's shakeup is not looking very good for that party though, they really are going to die out demographically. You have roughly three generations of GOP voters:

Youth/Millenials -  basically a white supremacist/MRA movement
Gen X - killing themselves off with opioids, but will still remain a voting bloc for some time
Boomers - reaching end of life

The Democratic shakeup will be very good for that party going forward, and I honestly think they are handling it somewhat fairly. The more progressive youth cohort is fighting the left of center establishment Democrats over policies and ideas and that's a healthy debate. There will continue to be some churn for the next decade as the progressives control more and more of the party.

And us Gen-Xers are too small in numbers to matter when we reach the "Keep your government hands off my Medi-care" age so really once the Boomers die off enough to not matter politically the GOP is going to be farked big time. The GOP will become the party of neckbeards. They'll run on the platform of a free vape with every purchase of a trilby and open carry of katanas.


His analysis also assumes a leftist in 2017 will still be as hard left in another 10-20 years.  People do become more conservative as they get older, at least because so many young people are wildly idealistic but also because they have less to lose until they're raising families and paying a mortgage.

And that's the positive scenario.  If today's 20somethings are still living at home and underemployed in their 30s and 40s then they may still vote far left or anti-establishment but it will probably mean the movement has failed for a long time and the economy is infinitely worse.

The map is not the territory, kids.
 
2017-11-09 04:23:19 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: HedlessChickn: Good.

The GOP didn't get over Obama for 8.

They still haven't.  Hell, they're still biatching about Jimmy Carter.


Touche
 
2017-11-09 04:25:00 PM  
They should all get at first hand look at the 16 year old shaitshow quagmire and be sent to Afghanistan.
 
2017-11-09 04:26:26 PM  
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2017-11-09 04:26:29 PM  

HedlessChickn: Doctor Funkenstein: HedlessChickn: Good.

The GOP didn't get over Obama for 8.

They still haven't.  Hell, they're still biatching about Jimmy Carter.

Touche


Democrats are poor losers.
 
2017-11-09 04:32:34 PM  
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2017-11-09 04:34:03 PM  
lordjupiter:
His analysis also assumes a leftist in 2017 will still be as hard left in another 10-20 years.  People do become more conservative as they get older, at least because so many young people are wildly idealistic but also because they have less to lose until they're raising families and paying a mortgage.

Huge generalization there.  I've moved slightly left over the years.  Quite a bit socially as I got out of cookie cutter suburbia and met more diverse people (and having multiracial kids) and somewhat fiscally as I've been able to see the effects of bad economic policy on my day-to-day life.

Not everyone ends up in a bunker armed to the teeth screaming about how high their taxes are.
 
2017-11-09 04:36:10 PM  
So BSAB. Got it.
 
2017-11-09 04:37:22 PM  

Rocketboy1313: Rep. Chris Collins sounds like a pathetic toady.  I am unsure who to compare him to in political history.  Who is a famous lapdog to a moronic super villain?

"Here on Capitol Hill, people respect him immensely," Collins said, "and he is setting the tone. Some politicians think of themselves as setting the tone, but they're not setting the tone anymore, so [Trump] has got them on the edge of their chair. But they all want to go on Air Force One. They all want to go to the Oval Office ... Who's in charge? There's no if, ands or buts about who's in charge - it's Donald J. Trump."


I think Quisling is appropriate. Or perhaps Grima Wormtongue.
 
2017-11-09 04:41:53 PM  
The Republicans have been exposed as Russian proxies, and the Democrats have been exposed as Republican by proxies for lust of that big business dollar.

We will never forget how eagerly you surrender, Madame Pelosi.  Your as much of a liberal as Trump himself.
 
2017-11-09 04:41:55 PM  

hugram: So BSAB. Got it.


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It's hard to tell people to vote "the lesser of two evils" when the "greatest" evil hasn't just survived, but become "greater" than ever.
 
2017-11-09 04:42:41 PM  

Bl4CK ME54: HedlessChickn: Doctor Funkenstein: HedlessChickn: Good.

The GOP didn't get over Obama for 8.

They still haven't.  Hell, they're still biatching about Jimmy Carter.

Touche

Democrats are poor losers.



Aren't you just the sweetest little thing?

*smooch*

/In character as Joe Biden
//Look at this login's profile for context
///Welcome to Fark, we eat the flesh of the young
 
2017-11-09 04:45:34 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: hugram: So BSAB. Got it.

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It's hard to tell people to vote "the lesser of two evils" when the "greatest" evil hasn't just survived, but become "greater" than ever.


Yeah, because people don't pay attention to the fact that their inaction is precisely what allows that evil to become greater
 
2017-11-09 04:45:37 PM  
It's not shock, NPR. It's nausea. The nausea hasn't worn off.
 
2017-11-09 04:49:05 PM  
Um, no.  Headline, article fail.  One year later, one party is picking up huge gains.  More to follow.
 
2017-11-09 04:58:03 PM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: The Republicans have been exposed as Russian proxies, and the Democrats have been exposed as Republican by proxies for lust of that big business dollar.

We will never forget how eagerly you surrender, Madame Pelosi.  Your as much of a liberal as Trump himself.


I'm so tired of this farking lie. Name one part of the official DNC platform that benefits corporate interests at the expense of the poor and middle class.

When you're done finding nothing, fark yourself into space.
 
2017-11-09 05:04:36 PM  
Hey both parties!  The only way to end the quagmire is to tell the oligarchs who own you to fark off, and then run the country exactly as if you cared about its citizens.  Until then, it will continue to be a quagmire.
 
2017-11-09 05:05:44 PM  

vwarb: backhand.slap.of.reason: The Republicans have been exposed as Russian proxies, and the Democrats have been exposed as Republican by proxies for lust of that big business dollar.

We will never forget how eagerly you surrender, Madame Pelosi.  Your as much of a liberal as Trump himself.

I'm so tired of this farking lie. Name one part of the official DNC platform that benefits corporate interests at the expense of the poor and middle class.

When you're done finding nothing, fark yourself into space.


Basically if dems don't outlaw banks, they are anti-poor.

Everything else they offer for the poor and middle class ceases to count.
 
2017-11-09 05:09:53 PM  
I don't get what the shock is.  Ever since he won even one state primary, and certainly once he won the nomination, it should have been absolutely clear to BOTH parties that this was going to be outright war against the presidency.  For the Dems, it was going to be war against Trump if he won (he did) and for the Republicans, it should have been absolutely clear that the only possible way for the nation or party to survive would have been total opposition and confrontation against whoever won (Hillary or Trump).  I can't understand how the Republican party can't figure out that they need to put this guy in a cage (metaphorical or literal) or he'll destroy them all.  Unless they're chickenshiat traitors, which it appears they are.
 
2017-11-09 05:15:44 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: lordjupiter:
His analysis also assumes a leftist in 2017 will still be as hard left in another 10-20 years.  People do become more conservative as they get older, at least because so many young people are wildly idealistic but also because they have less to lose until they're raising families and paying a mortgage.

Huge generalization there.  I've moved slightly left over the years.  Quite a bit socially as I got out of cookie cutter suburbia and met more diverse people (and having multiracial kids) and somewhat fiscally as I've been able to see the effects of bad economic policy on my day-to-day life.

Not everyone ends up in a bunker armed to the teeth screaming about how high their taxes are.


There are exceptions to everything.

I'm clearly talking about leftist youth, not podunk teens who have nowhere to go but somewhere to the left of the KKK. I'm also partly talking small-c conservative, as in more mature/measured and less radical.  You can still be liberal in ideology but more conservative in your demeanor and application of those beliefs (attending local government functions to speak at age 37 vs trashing stores at 22).

So you may be less Right Wing as you age but you are also likely more conservative in your approach and less prone to pure anti-establishment behavior, because at some point you start to see the reasons behind things you ranted against, and "question everything" turns up answers you didn't expect.

As you gain more of a stake in the world around you and the entire planet hasn't just acquiesced to your novel (to you) ideals, it becomes clear that carving out a portion of the world for yourself and your family is much more likely and satisfying than trying to convince billions of people to do things your way just because.

Some people do become more radical as they age, most don't.  The point being that you cannot count on today's youth vote to be the same within that specific generation in 20 years, and if it is then there are much bigger problems involved.
 
2017-11-09 05:16:37 PM  

bdub77: Both parties need to be shaken up.

The GOP's shakeup is not looking very good for that party though, they really are going to die out demographically. You have roughly three generations of GOP voters:

Youth/Millenials -  basically a white supremacist/MRA movement
Gen X - killing themselves off with opioids, but will still remain a voting bloc for some time
Boomers - reaching end of life


There's a REASON they keep moving the goal posts and adjusting the playing field. They KNOW they're a minority in this country, at least in terms of voting (though in no other ways that matter), so they gerrmander, legislate away from pro-Democrat voting, resort to flat-out trickery and lies, and sometimes they STILL lose.

Think about how blue the country would be if the field were ACTUALLY level.
 
2017-11-09 05:16:53 PM  

cefm: I don't get what the shock is.  Ever since he won even one state primary, and certainly once he won the nomination, it should have been absolutely clear to BOTH parties that this was going to be outright war against the presidency.  For the Dems, it was going to be war against Trump if he won (he did) and for the Republicans, it should have been absolutely clear that the only possible way for the nation or party to survive would have been total opposition and confrontation against whoever won (Hillary or Trump).  I can't understand how the Republican party can't figure out that they need to put this guy in a cage (metaphorical or literal) or he'll destroy them all.  Unless they're chickenshiat traitors, which it appears they are.


Trump's not the cesspool of US socioeconomics, he's the mirror.

Since the 1970s, our leaders have opted to flatter the privileged rather than stand up to them, treating them like they're some sort of endangered species. Look at the way state governments are prostrating to Amazon.

Wealthy dipshiats like Trump think they can get away with anything because, well, they have for decades.
 
2017-11-09 05:18:40 PM  

cefm: I don't get what the shock is.  Ever since he won even one state primary, and certainly once he won the nomination, it should have been absolutely clear to BOTH parties that this was going to be outright war against the presidency.  For the Dems, it was going to be war against Trump if he won (he did) and for the Republicans, it should have been absolutely clear that the only possible way for the nation or party to survive would have been total opposition and confrontation against whoever won (Hillary or Trump).  I can't understand how the Republican party can't figure out that they need to put this guy in a cage (metaphorical or literal) or he'll destroy them all.  Unless they're chickenshiat traitors, which it appears they are.


Well after every one of their initiatives has failed considering the drubbing they just took at the polls I think they may be getting the idea.  After their budget fails there will be some serious backlash.  How that is handled it not known, but the most likely scenario is that Trump will be marginalized even among his part members and will set a new record for being the fastest president to officially achieve lame-duck status.

Or he'll nuke NK.  Could go either way.
 
2017-11-09 05:26:00 PM  
Bl4CK ME54:

Democrats are poor losers.

But back in reality, Democrats are usually gracious losers, while Republicans are not only sore losers, they're sore winners as well.
 
2017-11-09 05:31:12 PM  
This photo FTFA makes it look like Flake is about to joyfully receive a hairy BJ:

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2017-11-09 05:51:58 PM  

hammettman: Um, no.  Headline, article fail.  One year later, one party is picking up huge gains.  More to follow.


Two governorships won in blue states is considered "huge gains"?

Granted, it's a step in the right direction, but let's see what happens in Alabama before we all start sucking each other's dicks, OK?
 
2017-11-09 06:04:05 PM  

GoldSpider: hammettman: Um, no.  Headline, article fail.  One year later, one party is picking up huge gains.  More to follow.

Two governorships won in blue states is considered "huge gains"?

Granted, it's a step in the right direction, but let's see what happens in Alabama before we all start sucking each other's dicks, OK?


Really?  You think something good might happen in friggin Alabama?

Dems did well this week.  Whatever happens in that shiathole shouldn't diminish that in the least.
 
2017-11-09 06:32:55 PM  

Tor_Eckman: GoldSpider: hammettman: Um, no.  Headline, article fail.  One year later, one party is picking up huge gains.  More to follow.

Two governorships won in blue states is considered "huge gains"?

Granted, it's a step in the right direction, but let's see what happens in Alabama before we all start sucking each other's dicks, OK?

Really?  You think something good might happen in friggin Alabama?

Dems did well this week.  Whatever happens in that shiathole shouldn't diminish that in the least.


Sure! Something good might happen.
 
2017-11-09 06:35:32 PM  

vwarb: backhand.slap.of.reason: The Republicans have been exposed as Russian proxies, and the Democrats have been exposed as Republican by proxies for lust of that big business dollar.

We will never forget how eagerly you surrender, Madame Pelosi.  Your as much of a liberal as Trump himself.

I'm so tired of this farking lie. Name one part of the official DNC platform that benefits corporate interests at the expense of the poor and middle class.

When you're done finding nothing, fark yourself into space.


The fact that robust antitrust enforcement wasn't front and center.  That's more than enough.

/as is the neoliberal way
//oh yay a couple passing remarks and a website we're supposed to go to
 
2017-11-09 06:48:53 PM  

hugram: So BSAB. Got it.


Absolutely.
GOP hated Obama because they were bigoted against black people.
Dems hate Trump because they are bigoted against stupid people.
So, basically the same.
 
2017-11-09 06:54:43 PM  

GoldSpider: hammettman: Um, no.  Headline, article fail.  One year later, one party is picking up huge gains.  More to follow.

Two governorships won in blue states is considered "huge gains"?

Granted, it's a step in the right direction, but let's see what happens in Alabama before we all start sucking each other's dicks, OK?


New Jersey and Virginia are blue states?

That's why one of them had Governor Chris Christie, and the other has had a red House since 2000. with a 2 to 1 lead as of a month ago?

Virginia's as purple as they come.  New Jersey ain't exactly Hawaii either.
 
2017-11-09 06:55:17 PM  

gameshowhost: vwarb: backhand.slap.of.reason: The Republicans have been exposed as Russian proxies, and the Democrats have been exposed as Republican by proxies for lust of that big business dollar.

We will never forget how eagerly you surrender, Madame Pelosi.  Your as much of a liberal as Trump himself.

I'm so tired of this farking lie. Name one part of the official DNC platform that benefits corporate interests at the expense of the poor and middle class.

When you're done finding nothing, fark yourself into space.

The fact that robust antitrust enforcement wasn't front and center.  That's more than enough.

/as is the neoliberal way
//oh yay a couple passing remarks and a website we're supposed to go to


Democrats proactively implemented net neutrality to fight against the monopolistic power of ISPs. GOP is trying to reverse that. Try again.
 
2017-11-09 07:05:14 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: GoldSpider: hammettman: Um, no.  Headline, article fail.  One year later, one party is picking up huge gains.  More to follow.

Two governorships won in blue states is considered "huge gains"?

Granted, it's a step in the right direction, but let's see what happens in Alabama before we all start sucking each other's dicks, OK?

New Jersey and Virginia are blue states?

That's why one of them had Governor Chris Christie, and the other has had a red House since 2000. with a 2 to 1 lead as of a month ago?

Virginia's as purple as they come.  New Jersey ain't exactly Hawaii either.


Well arguably Jersey only had Christie because Corzine was such an incredible asshole
 
2017-11-09 07:13:17 PM  

vwarb: gameshowhost: vwarb: backhand.slap.of.reason: The Republicans have been exposed as Russian proxies, and the Democrats have been exposed as Republican by proxies for lust of that big business dollar.

We will never forget how eagerly you surrender, Madame Pelosi.  Your as much of a liberal as Trump himself.

I'm so tired of this farking lie. Name one part of the official DNC platform that benefits corporate interests at the expense of the poor and middle class.

When you're done finding nothing, fark yourself into space.

The fact that robust antitrust enforcement wasn't front and center.  That's more than enough.

/as is the neoliberal way
//oh yay a couple passing remarks and a website we're supposed to go to

Democrats proactively implemented net neutrality to fight against the monopolistic power of ISPs. GOP is trying to reverse that. Try again.


WOW - AN INSTANCE OF A THING!

That totally fixes the underlying problem. You got me there.

/are you really this unaware of how far the dems have strayed from being the party of enforcing antitrust?
 
2017-11-09 08:04:52 PM  

Tor_Eckman: Really?  You think something good might happen in friggin Alabama?


Roy Moore isn't in a good way right now, and if he gets tossed off the ticket, I think that at least makes it a fair fight.
 
2017-11-09 08:19:15 PM  

GoldSpider: Tor_Eckman: Really?  You think something good might happen in friggin Alabama?

Roy Moore isn't in a good way right now, and if he gets tossed off the ticket, I think that at least makes it a fair fight.


I don't think he can get tossed off the ticket; someone else was saying that ballots have already been printed and distributed.

Someone else was saying that if the state party pulls their endorsement, even if he won they wouldn't b
 
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