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2017-11-08 09:03:06 PM  
How is that unlikely. To attack Europe, they'd need to shoot over China and Russia. Likewise to attack them, Europe would also need to violate those two somehow.
 
2017-11-08 09:21:25 PM  
He's just butthurt because he's a Peep which is shyte candy.

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2017-11-08 09:27:06 PM  
It made not make a difference to North Korea's economy if the US and Japan get nuked but the EU buys and sell shiat there.
 
2017-11-09 12:54:39 AM  
Who would China sell all their cheap stuff to? Themselves?
 
2017-11-09 01:01:50 AM  
He won't send 'em here either, because he knows damn well that he can't follow it up, and that even with nukes, he won't be able to do enough damage to the US to prevent his regime getting wiped off the face of the earth.
 
2017-11-09 01:03:10 AM  
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2017-11-09 01:12:05 AM  
Cool. At this point I'll take one for the world team if we can stop this idiotic tweeter fight between an actual dictator and a wannabe dictator.

/looks overhead for the blinding flash of light
 
2017-11-09 01:30:58 AM  
You may deny your yearning for my missle, tell your BFFs it's inferior. I understand. But we both know I know how to shake my money maker. Tell me sweet little lies, baby.
 
2017-11-09 01:58:17 AM  

LordJiro: He won't send 'em here either, because he knows damn well that he can't follow it up, and that even with nukes, he won't be able to do enough damage to the US to prevent his regime getting wiped off the face of the earth.


That's right, you back and corner someone and apply as much pressure as possible and there is no way they do anything rash or self destructive. That's how I know that investigators won't ever find anything on Donald Trump because it's soo unlikely that he'll make a mistake as the pressure mounts that winds up getting him charged with witness intimidation or interfearing with a federal investigation.
 
2017-11-09 02:07:59 AM  

SharkInfested: Cool. At this point I'll take one for the world team if we can stop this idiotic tweeter fight between an actual dictator and a wannabe dictator.

/looks overhead for the blinding flash of light


I recently moved from a small city to a big one ( Portland, OR )  I'll be turned into radioactive ash along with all of the hipsters and IT professionals around here if the SHTF....
 
2017-11-09 02:13:17 AM  
Hey, what about Canada?
 
2017-11-09 02:17:49 AM  
I wonder what a post nuclear attack US would be like. I figure all the smart people in the coastal cities would get vaporized. The survivors would find out what a government run entirely by fly-over rubes actually looks like. They'd finally get Jesusland!
 
2017-11-09 02:19:25 AM  

doglover: How is that unlikely. To attack Europe, they'd need to shoot over China and Russia. Likewise to attack them, Europe would also need to violate those two somehow.


Only for ICBMs -- you can launch from ships or submarines as well, and those can be anywhere in international waters.
 
2017-11-09 02:26:07 AM  

vwarb: I wonder what a post nuclear attack US would be like. I figure all the smart people in the coastal cities would get vaporized. The survivors would find out what a government run entirely by fly-over rubes actually looks like. They'd finally get Jesusland!


In all likelihood NK would aim to inflict maximum damage on our power grid by high altitude detonation emps rather than direct hit vaporization. That way they spread the radioactive debris out far and wide and pretty much universally disable our entire power grid sending most of America into 3rd world country status as nothing, not even modern vehicles would work if they weren't emp fortified. It's estimated that millions would die within weeks and our society may descend rapidly into anarchy without modern day conveniences... I think worrying about being governed by fly over country may be the least of everyone's concerns.
 
2017-11-09 02:36:41 AM  

Excelsior: doglover: How is that unlikely. To attack Europe, they'd need to shoot over China and Russia. Likewise to attack them, Europe would also need to violate those two somehow.

Only for ICBMs -- you can launch from ships or submarines as well, and those can be anywhere in international waters.


What ICBM capable ships does North Korea have?
 
2017-11-09 02:41:32 AM  

keldaria: vwarb: I wonder what a post nuclear attack US would be like. I figure all the smart people in the coastal cities would get vaporized. The survivors would find out what a government run entirely by fly-over rubes actually looks like. They'd finally get Jesusland!

In all likelihood NK would aim to inflict maximum damage on our power grid by high altitude detonation emps rather than direct hit vaporization. That way they spread the radioactive debris out far and wide and pretty much universally disable our entire power grid sending most of America into 3rd world country status as nothing, not even modern vehicles would work if they weren't emp fortified. It's estimated that millions would die within weeks and our society may descend rapidly into anarchy without modern day conveniences... I think worrying about being governed by fly over country may be the least of everyone's concerns.


Nothing you could posted is actually accurate.

These NK threads are weird. I get that not everyone is up to date on the science involved but boy howdy some of you get your information from TV and movies.
 
2017-11-09 03:30:58 AM  

keldaria: LordJiro: He won't send 'em here either, because he knows damn well that he can't follow it up, and that even with nukes, he won't be able to do enough damage to the US to prevent his regime getting wiped off the face of the earth.

That's right, you back and corner someone and apply as much pressure as possible and there is no way they do anything rash or self destructive. That's how I know that investigators won't ever find anything on Donald Trump because it's soo unlikely that he'll make a mistake as the pressure mounts that winds up getting him charged with witness intimidation or interfearing with a federal investigation.


Yeah, no. Political investigations and a government deciding whether or not to use nuclear farking weapons are not analogous.

If Jong-Un would EVER use his nukes, it'd be if someone invades him, and as more of a 'fark you' shot on Seoul or an American city than anything else. MAYBE if the invaders concentrate a lot of their forces in one area  But they're not gonna shoot first.

The purpose of their nukes is to make it too costly to topple the Kim regime. Using them any other way would be suicide, and Jong-Un and his generals know that.
 
2017-11-09 04:05:03 AM  

LordJiro: He won't send 'em here either, because he knows damn well that he can't follow it up, and that even with nukes, he won't be able to do enough damage to the US to prevent his regime getting wiped off the face of the earth.


Spite is still a thing though.
/Right?
 
2017-11-09 04:31:16 AM  

keldaria: vwarb: I wonder what a post nuclear attack US would be like. I figure all the smart people in the coastal cities would get vaporized. The survivors would find out what a government run entirely by fly-over rubes actually looks like. They'd finally get Jesusland!

In all likelihood NK would aim to inflict maximum damage on our power grid by high altitude detonation emps rather than direct hit vaporization. That way they spread the radioactive debris out far and wide and pretty much universally disable our entire power grid sending most of America into 3rd world country status as nothing, not even modern vehicles would work if they weren't emp fortified. It's estimated that millions would die within weeks and our society may descend rapidly into anarchy without modern day conveniences... I think worrying about being governed by fly over country may be the least of everyone's concerns.


Quick question, where does the debris come from in a high altitude strike..?
/Yellowstone caldera FTW
 
2017-11-09 04:41:35 AM  

LordJiro: keldaria: LordJiro: He won't send 'em here either, because he knows damn well that he can't follow it up, and that even with nukes, he won't be able to do enough damage to the US to prevent his regime getting wiped off the face of the earth.

That's right, you back and corner someone and apply as much pressure as possible and there is no way they do anything rash or self destructive. That's how I know that investigators won't ever find anything on Donald Trump because it's soo unlikely that he'll make a mistake as the pressure mounts that winds up getting him charged with witness intimidation or interfearing with a federal investigation.

Yeah, no. Political investigations and a government deciding whether or not to use nuclear farking weapons are not analogous.

If Jong-Un would EVER use his nukes, it'd be if someone invades him, and as more of a 'fark you' shot on Seoul or an American city than anything else. MAYBE if the invaders concentrate a lot of their forces in one area  But they're not gonna shoot first.

The purpose of their nukes is to make it too costly to topple the Kim regime. Using them any other way would be suicide, and Jong-Un and his generals know that.


Korea would just be another country if America and Russia hadn't decided to have the playoffs after the ww2 regular season.
Communism and American democracy may have been viable long term strategies for governance if they had have cooperated instead of pissing their pants in each others general direction.
/the great thing about culture is that it can be coopted
//the world doesn't require you to exist to enjoy the benefits of the advancements you made
///just ask sekhmet
 
2017-11-09 04:42:32 AM  

mdemon81: Excelsior: doglover: How is that unlikely. To attack Europe, they'd need to shoot over China and Russia. Likewise to attack them, Europe would also need to violate those two somehow.

Only for ICBMs -- you can launch from ships or submarines as well, and those can be anywhere in international waters.

What ICBM capable ships does North Korea have?


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Row row your nuke
Gently out to sea
Merrily Merrily Merrily Merrily
North Korean Navy
 
2017-11-09 05:10:11 AM  

Morning Horsefarts: mdemon81: Excelsior: doglover: How is that unlikely. To attack Europe, they'd need to shoot over China and Russia. Likewise to attack them, Europe would also need to violate those two somehow.

Only for ICBMs -- you can launch from ships or submarines as well, and those can be anywhere in international waters.

What ICBM capable ships does North Korea have?

[img.fark.net image 850x566]
Row row your nuke
Gently out to sea
Merrily Merrily Merrily Merrily
North Korean Navy


What the devil is happening there? Is that the "before" picture of when His Holyness caught the biggest fish ever recorded? Is that's why they have a harpoon and a rope on board?
 
2017-11-09 05:18:56 AM  

vwarb: I wonder what a post nuclear attack US would be like. I figure all the smart people in the coastal cities would get vaporized. The survivors would find out what a government run entirely by fly-over rubes actually looks like. They'd finally get Jesusland!


Really want to know?

Watch the ABC made for television movie The Day After.

Cliff Notes version,
No more government
No more agriculture
No more business
No more medicine
No more food
No more justice
No more law enforcement
No more dwellings

More radiation
More death
More chaos
More crime

The living will envy the dead.

Got the picture? The end of mankind because of an Orange man with tiny hands and a kid.

This is modern civilization on the brink of extinction.
 
2017-11-09 06:56:28 AM  
Apparently right now we have China saying they won't support North Korea if it attacks first but would if United States does, and last I heard NATO members saying they won't support the US if it attacks first but would if NK does. Which seems to support stability in an immediate sense
 
2017-11-09 08:48:26 AM  

kbronsito: It made not make a difference to North Korea's economy if the US and Japan get nuked but the EU buys and sell shiat there.


If Best Korea starts a nuclear war, do you really think they'd be concerned about their economy afterwards?

http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs​/​2006/september/tradoc_113428.pdf

In 2016 they EU as a whole imported for 6 million Euro, and exported for 22 million Euro. But that was before the latest round of sanctions.

Where do you have information about the EU trading with North Korea now? Well, I know Kim likes cheese and cognac, but the cheese he gets from Switzerland. And the cognac is probably included in the sanctions, so I am guessing it just comes across the Chinese border (which inderectly goes to the EU of course), but that is probably a rather neglible amount in the grand scheme of things.
 
2017-11-09 08:56:10 AM  

mdemon81: Excelsior: doglover: How is that unlikely. To attack Europe, they'd need to shoot over China and Russia. Likewise to attack them, Europe would also need to violate those two somehow.

Only for ICBMs -- you can launch from ships or submarines as well, and those can be anywhere in international waters.

What ICBM capable ships does North Korea have?


Tons. They have mobile launchers, there's nothing to prevent them from just putting on a barge. If that's what they wanted.

Doesn't the NATO doctrine include nuclear war as well? So I'd assume France and the UK would be bound to retaliate.

I do believe him though. He knows initiating a nuclear war would be suicide, and its USA that keeps threathening them with one. So as a deterrent, it makes sense that its USA they're concentrating on. Especially since they probably don't have very many ICBMs or nukes.
 
2017-11-09 08:58:48 AM  

Morning Horsefarts: mdemon81: Excelsior: doglover: How is that unlikely. To attack Europe, they'd need to shoot over China and Russia. Likewise to attack them, Europe would also need to violate those two somehow.

Only for ICBMs -- you can launch from ships or submarines as well, and those can be anywhere in international waters.

What ICBM capable ships does North Korea have?

[img.fark.net image 850x566]
Row row your nuke
Gently out to sea
Merrily Merrily Merrily Merrily
North Korean Navy


What exactly going on there?

It looks like some kind of ceremony, but for what exactly. Unless its a photoshop.
 
2017-11-09 09:03:19 AM  

lucksi: Morning Horsefarts: mdemon81: Excelsior: doglover: How is that unlikely. To attack Europe, they'd need to shoot over China and Russia. Likewise to attack them, Europe would also need to violate those two somehow.

Only for ICBMs -- you can launch from ships or submarines as well, and those can be anywhere in international waters.

What ICBM capable ships does North Korea have?

[img.fark.net image 850x566]
Row row your nuke
Gently out to sea
Merrily Merrily Merrily Merrily
North Korean Navy

What the devil is happening there? Is that the "before" picture of when His Holyness caught the biggest fish ever recorded? Is that's why they have a harpoon and a rope on board?


lucksi: Morning Horsefarts: mdemon81: Excelsior: doglover: How is that unlikely. To attack Europe, they'd need to shoot over China and Russia. Likewise to attack them, Europe would also need to violate those two somehow.

Only for ICBMs -- you can launch from ships or submarines as well, and those can be anywhere in international waters.

What ICBM capable ships does North Korea have?

[img.fark.net image 850x566]
Row row your nuke
Gently out to sea
Merrily Merrily Merrily Merrily
North Korean Navy

What the devil is happening there? Is that the "before" picture of when His Holyness caught the biggest fish ever recorded? Is that's why they have a harpoon and a rope on board?


Ah yeah, that could be it. I was getting more of a "Moses parting the sea" from that guy.

Is there even room for such a pre-caught fish on that boat? There's like farking 20 people aboard, for some reason.

But that could be it. A common theme is for Kim doing something, and then giving a lecture to his generals (who nod and take notes). So of course they have to be there, when he explains the how to catch giant fish.
 
2017-11-09 09:04:46 AM  
Just make sure you keep that mess on your side of the border.  Thank you.
 
2017-11-09 10:04:32 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: Tons. They have mobile launchers, there's nothing to prevent them from just putting on a barge.


I'm just going to walk away before I have an aneurysm.
 
2017-11-09 10:20:48 AM  

mdemon81: keldaria: vwarb: I wonder what a post nuclear attack US would be like. I figure all the smart people in the coastal cities would get vaporized. The survivors would find out what a government run entirely by fly-over rubes actually looks like. They'd finally get Jesusland!

In all likelihood NK would aim to inflict maximum damage on our power grid by high altitude detonation emps rather than direct hit vaporization. That way they spread the radioactive debris out far and wide and pretty much universally disable our entire power grid sending most of America into 3rd world country status as nothing, not even modern vehicles would work if they weren't emp fortified. It's estimated that millions would die within weeks and our society may descend rapidly into anarchy without modern day conveniences... I think worrying about being governed by fly over country may be the least of everyone's concerns.

Nothing you could posted is actually accurate.

These NK threads are weird. I get that not everyone is up to date on the science involved but boy howdy some of you get your information from TV and movies.


Yea.. soo about that
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/09/​2​5/as-north-korea-threatens-emp-attack-​questions-over-lapses-in-us-grid-secur​ity-rise.html
Oh fawk news... they use scare tactics.. maybe a left wing article would be better
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/​u​nderstanding-north-koreas-emp-threat_u​s_59ae115de4b0bef3378cdad9
Oh maybe thats bias too, lets try a non-partisan 3rd party science based article
http://www.popularmechanics.com/milit​a​ry/weapons/news/a28425/emp-north-korea​/

Soo about your version of reality...
 
2017-11-09 10:28:43 AM  

a neutral australian lurker offering help: keldaria: vwarb: I wonder what a post nuclear attack US would be like. I figure all the smart people in the coastal cities would get vaporized. The survivors would find out what a government run entirely by fly-over rubes actually looks like. They'd finally get Jesusland!

In all likelihood NK would aim to inflict maximum damage on our power grid by high altitude detonation emps rather than direct hit vaporization. That way they spread the radioactive debris out far and wide and pretty much universally disable our entire power grid sending most of America into 3rd world country status as nothing, not even modern vehicles would work if they weren't emp fortified. It's estimated that millions would die within weeks and our society may descend rapidly into anarchy without modern day conveniences... I think worrying about being governed by fly over country may be the least of everyone's concerns.

Quick question, where does the debris come from in a high altitude strike..?
/Yellowstone caldera FTW


debris was admittingly the wrong word, I was intending to refer to the nuclear fallout or spread of radiation that is typically the main focus of modern nuclear tactics since it spreads devastation across a much larger area significantly increasing the deaths vs direct incineration upon detonation. A few key cities like DC and area's of military or political importance is obviously key targets for direct hits intending to vaporize the target, but most nukes are actually targeted to detonate at significant altitude to encourage the spread of radiation. In the case of EMP detonations the detonation is actually in space to create the damaging EMP effect. Yellowstone Caldera indeed.
 
2017-11-09 10:46:43 AM  

keldaria: http://www.popularmechanics.com/milit​a​ry/weapons/news/a28425/emp-north-korea​/


Did you actually read your own link because it disproves literally 100% of everything you spouted.
 
2017-11-09 10:53:22 AM  

LordJiro: keldaria: LordJiro: He won't send 'em here either, because he knows damn well that he can't follow it up, and that even with nukes, he won't be able to do enough damage to the US to prevent his regime getting wiped off the face of the earth.

That's right, you back and corner someone and apply as much pressure as possible and there is no way they do anything rash or self destructive. That's how I know that investigators won't ever find anything on Donald Trump because it's soo unlikely that he'll make a mistake as the pressure mounts that winds up getting him charged with witness intimidation or interfearing with a federal investigation.

Yeah, no. Political investigations and a government deciding whether or not to use nuclear farking weapons are not analogous.

If Jong-Un would EVER use his nukes, it'd be if someone invades him, and as more of a 'fark you' shot on Seoul or an American city than anything else. MAYBE if the invaders concentrate a lot of their forces in one area  But they're not gonna shoot first.

The purpose of their nukes is to make it too costly to topple the Kim regime. Using them any other way would be suicide, and Jong-Un and his generals know that.


Ok.. soo in your world.. you have no fear that.. oh lets say heir cheeto fly's a bomber too close or maybe even it accidentally strays into NK territory, which in turn causes the NK's to shoot at it or shoot it down potentially even capturing the crew. Or maybe a navy vessel gets too close on a patrol and the NK's assault it and capture it claiming it violated their territory (thats never happened before right?). Do you A: think heir cheeto won't respond to said provocation with a direct dick swinging, B: think that its impossible for actual fighting to break out under said circumstances, or C: feel that its unlikely that if fighting breaks out, that NK won't launch anything they have at whatever they can reach under the assumption that the US knows where every nuclear weapon is stashed and will be actively targeting them as the first order of business so its best to launch them asap after war officially breaks out again.

Lets make no mistake, North Korea knows they can't stand up to US / SK forces for long, and they know they have very few cards to play which will rapidly be hunted, targeted and destroyed if the shooting ever started up again. If the shooting starts they will shell soul to kill everyone they can before the US takes out their artillery, and they will launch any and all short range missiles at anything they can. ICBM's (if they have any functional) will be the US's first order of business to destroy so they will be launched quickly and in mass if able to minimize the US's missile defense opportunities. That said, we're obviously not talking about who has the guts or incentive to do a pre-emptive strike, we're talking about if the situation will deteriorate into active war or not since once war returns North Korea knows they can't win a conventional fight and their weapons of mass destruction won't last past the first week.

Its very easy for Cheeto to justify military action in many instances and NK being back into a corner will be on high alert and likely have many military forces running amok with orders to shoot first and ask questions later if they "think" NK territory has been violated/invaded. The risk of an error occurring anywhere in a chain of command could destabilize the entire situation. I don't trust Trump to respond in any rational tempered way and I sure as hell don't trust Kim to do the same either.
 
2017-11-09 11:00:40 AM  

mdemon81: Ketchuponsteak: Tons. They have mobile launchers, there's nothing to prevent them from just putting on a barge.

I'm just going to walk away before I have an aneurysm.


I'm curious as to why mobile ICBM launchers only works from land, as you seem to be implying.

I guess other nations would be suspecious of their intentions if they didn't at least cover it up with a tarp. But what exactly am I missing here. They clearly have mobile ICBMs, so if they wanted to, how could they not just put one on a vessel, and launch it like that?
 
2017-11-09 11:01:52 AM  

mdemon81: keldaria: http://www.popularmechanics.com/milita​ry/weapons/news/a28425/emp-north-korea​/

Did you actually read your own link because it disproves literally 100% of everything you spouted.


Read further smart ass, it details the damage it could easily cause and notes the vulnerability of our power grid. Yes, the starvation of 90% of our population is grossly exaggerated but the threat of a vast majority of the nation being without any modern conveniences for an extended period of time and a resulting crash that would hit our economy is very real.
 
2017-11-09 02:00:17 PM  

LordJiro: keldaria: LordJiro: He won't send 'em here either, because he knows damn well that he can't follow it up, and that even with nukes, he won't be able to do enough damage to the US to prevent his regime getting wiped off the face of the earth.

That's right, you back and corner someone and apply as much pressure as possible and there is no way they do anything rash or self destructive. That's how I know that investigators won't ever find anything on Donald Trump because it's soo unlikely that he'll make a mistake as the pressure mounts that winds up getting him charged with witness intimidation or interfearing with a federal investigation.

Yeah, no. Political investigations and a government deciding whether or not to use nuclear farking weapons are not analogous.

If Jong-Un would EVER use his nukes, it'd be if someone invades him, and as more of a 'fark you' shot on Seoul or an American city than anything else. MAYBE if the invaders concentrate a lot of their forces in one area  But they're not gonna shoot first.

The purpose of their nukes is to make it too costly to topple the Kim regime. Using them any other way would be suicide, and Jong-Un and his generals know that.


So NK will never use nukes first and we know that and they know that.  So I guess the best move is not to play.
 
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